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Posted: 5/27/2017 11:50:23 PM EDT
After many, many years of sitting on my rear end, I decided it's time to become more involved in my local parish.
It feels good to be part of something bigger than me, forge new friendships, and to help the community. |
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Kudo's Sir, does "Does not play well with others" no longer apply then
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Congrats!
I'm a 4th degree knight. Find out when they are doing the 4th degree in your area and go and do it. Then you can buy yourself a sword! |
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They found out I own a tux and have been all over me to move up.
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Congrats!
I am 4th degree or 1st degree. I can't remember which is the lowest But, I haven't even attended one meeting. My vocation right now is to my family. I will one day be more focused on it. Great job! Maybe we will run into each other. Being in tge same diocese and all. |
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What does owning a tux have to do with the quality of a candidate? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Just got an email from the Grand Knight. Sounds like he wants to pawn a committee off on me already. That's what you get for being helpful.
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Thoughts on the new Fourth Degree uniforms? View Quote Seems really silly to me. That looks more like a US Army dress uniform of some kind. Personally, I thought the chapeau with feathers was a little overdone too, but at least it sort of reminded you of a "naval" outfit in honor of the seafarer Columbus. |
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Off-topic follow-up question: The KoC's namesake Columbus wasn't the nicest guy in the world. Reading the Wikipedia entry makes him look pretty bad. Maybe not any worse than most of his contemporaries, but not a good role model I would say. Now at the time of the founding of the KoC, that much was probably known about Columbus and it was a way to make the Knights reflect the spirit of patriotism so I can see how it happened.
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Now, I am not KofC, but I understand that the order was founded as a counter to Free Masonry. Is that accurate?
Also, in my study of Catholic history, I have found that the Wiki pages are a good place to start, but don't paint the whole picture from the Catholic perspective. |
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It was established to counter Catholic Mason membership and to assist widows and orphans. Not a freemason fraternity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Off-topic follow-up question: The KoC's namesake Columbus wasn't the nicest guy in the world. Reading the Wikipedia entry makes him look pretty bad. Maybe not any worse than most of his contemporaries, but not a good role model I would say. Now at the time of the founding of the KoC, that much was probably known about Columbus and it was a way to make the Knights reflect the spirit of patriotism so I can see how it happened. Thoughts? View Quote I doubt there was much more thought applied. |
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I've always found that interesting. Seems it would have made more sense to expend an existing lay order and tie it to local Parishes. But, politics makes it easier to start from scratch, I guess, and those Knights didn't have a presence in the US until the late 1920s. Politics probably also explains why the US has three separate associations. View Quote There was more to it than that. At the time, social fraternities and men's groups were extremely popular, and Father McGivney wanted a more wholesome group for young men with strong ties to the church. That, and of course his deep desire to find a way to help orphans and widows. |
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There was more to it than that. At the time, social fraternities and men's groups were extremely popular, and Father McGivney wanted a more wholesome group for young men with strong ties to the church. That, and of course his deep desire to find a way to help orphans and widows. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've always found that interesting. Seems it would have made more sense to expend an existing lay order and tie it to local Parishes. But, politics makes it easier to start from scratch, I guess, and those Knights didn't have a presence in the US until the late 1920s. Politics probably also explains why the US has three separate associations. But, they were doing their own thing, and a new org was born. Now, they essentially compete, with the Malta folks seemingly less parish-focused and more order-focused. |
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Sounds like an ideal role for expanding and revamping the ol' Knights Hospitaller and getting them a strong foothold in the US of A. But, they were doing their own thing, and a new org was born. Now, they essentially compete, with the Malta folks seemingly less parish-focused and more order-focused. View Quote |
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It seems that Hospitaller orders are far more active in Europe than the US. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sounds like an ideal role for expanding and revamping the ol' Knights Hospitaller and getting them a strong foothold in the US of A. But, they were doing their own thing, and a new org was born. Now, they essentially compete, with the Malta folks seemingly less parish-focused and more order-focused. The first Hospitalers didn't make it the the U.S. until the 1920s, IIRC. They're apparently active in the DC area. But I've never interacted with them. The Holy See's military advisor to the OSCE in Vienna was a Knight of Malta - and retired Italian General. I got the impression from him that he associate with them for much the same reason American associate with the Knights of Columbus. |
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The Holy See's military advisor to the OSCE in Vienna was a Knight of Malta - and retired Italian General. I got the impression from him that he associate with them for much the same reason American associate with the Knights of Columbus. View Quote |
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There was more to it than that. At the time, social fraternities and men's groups were extremely popular, and Father McGivney wanted a more wholesome group for young men with strong ties to the church. That, and of course his deep desire to find a way to help orphans and widows. View Quote Zhukov, have you seen the new uniforms? AF |
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But. I guess I'm overly sentimental to history and think it would be "cool" for people in Parish communities to have the opportunity to be knighted into a thousand year old organization with international reach. We could probably do a thread about the various groups out there, most of us aren't exposed to them but through acquaintences or personal interaction. |
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I think a more community-focused Hospitaler movement would have been an ideal "American" spin on an ever-changing institution and help tie things to history. But. I guess I'm overly sentimental to history and think it would be "cool" for people in Parish communities to have the opportunity to be knighted into a thousand year old organization with international reach. View Quote But, yes, agreed to the idea that an older extinct order would be better than a shake and bake one. However, I wouldn't be surprised that nobility that belonged to extinct orders wouldn't like the fact that such an order was getting recycled to appeal to commoners. |
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But. I guess I'm overly sentimental to history and think it would be "cool" for people in Parish communities to have the opportunity to be knighted into a thousand year old organization with international reach. My wife's uncle was in it, but I didn't even know until he died. |
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