Where does God draw the line?  Deacon? Sunday School teacher? Choir director?

That is blasphemy. 

Twire is not making assumptions. You can read pages of his posts that are pure fact. But that gets dismissed or twisted. I'm sure he doesn't need me to speak for him. I have yet to see him post something that hasn't been historically and scripturally correct in all the years I've been here.  He's seems far more fair minded than I.  Frankly I've been beat up so much here, by fellow Christians or people who claim to be Christians that I'm beginning to think my mother was right to cross the street rather than to offend God by crossing in front of other non Catholic Churches. Offensive? You bet! The Pharisees are alive and well. It's our duty to call out falsehoods but if a Catholic calls out a protestant falsehood that gets dismissed.  You can't be Christian and persecute others. False teachings??? My gosh lets take a hard look at the massive egos of Calivn and Smyth and their inner heresies. If OP was correcting the falsehood of the youtubers wouldn't it make sense to post his claims against them in the comments under the video on youtube? No it was an opportunity to bash the Catholic faith which OH BY THE WAY Calvin was raised Catholic and he hated his dad with a passion. HATE.. A religion founded on angst towards a parent that worships the bible more than it worships GOD. This is the perspective you put out there every time you bible beat someone. Try another way.

Amen angelfire.
I have a lot of protestant friends some pastors. I have asked them to prove that the Catholic Church is wrong about any of there teaching. They have not been able to. The Church and its teachings logically make sense but are not easy. Most of the Christian world believe in the same thing for 1400 years. Then Man decided that he did not agree with the Church teachings and knew better than God.
You are saying that until the Protestant Reformation everyone went to Hell? I thought Jesus and his Church made it possible to get to Heaven not man. If you don't believe in the Catholic Church that is fine. I challenge you to look into what the Catholic Church truly teaches  and not listen to what cafeteria Catholic tell you. Cafeteria Catholic pick a and choice what teaching they believe, they are not true Catholics. The same problem is in the Protestant faith that is why there is so many different denominations. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church it has what the Church believes in pretty much everything. Also read some of the Church fathers. The Church fathers were before the Bible was completed and compiled. What is described in those documents is the what the Catholic Church is included the Mass and Eucharist in detail.
There are a lot of non-Catholic Christians that are better Christians than a lot of Catholic Christians it is not because they are Catholic it is because all Man is fallen.
Sorry about the rant, spelling, and grammar. I'm not a word smith and I'm trying on my phone.

Where exactly did I say "that until the Protestant Reformation everyone went to Hell?" Nothing I said eludes to that. I'm more hard core Catholic and not Catholic-lite. The Church is not above God and God is the only judge of all. Not the church and not man. Salvation was paid for by Christs passion and resurrection. But the church does teach we, through free will may choose it or deny it. 

Sorry,  angelfire I did not mean to imply that you said that. It was direct to people that say Catholic can't get to Heaven.

Does it hurt to maintain a posture that deliberately obtuse?

So Paul sat down and said, 'You know I need to add some scripture to the New Testament so I'll write a scripture to the Thessalonians.' That is your assertion then?

I get it fine. I asked you for commentary and explanation of what your Church teaches and preaches in regard to three subjects. And you are incapable, or unwilling, to respond.

Democrat?

You are quite capable of finding the answers yourself.  You don't control the narrative and my refusal to engage in your shenanigans says nothing about my ability to debate you. I was very tired last night.  I could have not posted anything in the thread, but  instead chose to let you know I wasnt ignoring you all. This thread wasn't started for debate or to discuss Southern Baptist beliefs.

And no, you obviously dont get it. One easy example of blasphemy is that many Popes have declared themselves God on earth and enjoy the worship. The Catholic church is full of various kinds of blasphemy yet you marginalize or dismiss every bit of the behavior.

And your petulant attitude really takes away from your credibility. My hope is that anybody in any church teaching false doctrine will recognize it, study the scripture, and stand up to it.

If a Baptist preacher was teaching false doctrine, he would be removed.  

BTW, I've never voted for a Democrat in my life.

What Paul wrote he received by Revelation from the Lord, 2Cor 12: 1-5 Just like John received the Book of Revelation.
Did they know that they were writing at that time would turn out to be the Bible? Probably not, but they wrote it Down so the early Church can have it as they were led by the Holy Spirit.

The Bible is "Gods Word" as revealed to man by the Holy Spirit,  seems that you and your church reduce Gods Word down to just another book.
And then you call me obtuse and others accuse me of blasphemy.

I'll ask you again as I did in a previous post, Do you think Peter ever read any of Pauls letters?

What did I say that is blasphemy?
The Holy Spirit is a Gift from God that resides in the heart of those who put there faith in Jesus Christ and what He did on Calvary's cross when He shed His Blood for Salvation and Sanctification.
John Chap 3:1-8 14:15-26 for just a few Scriptures.

BR... Catholics do not believe the pope is God nor do we worship him.  There have been 7 corrupt popes. Do you really think the baptist church is devoid of human failure in its ministers? It's equally corrupt and maybe more so because of the many church's that call themselves baptist but are not part of the Southern Convention.  The serial rapist Minister in South Carolina comes to mind. How many minsters have had adulterous affairs with women in the congregation? How many drink alcohol do drugs, beat their wives and their children or demean them? How man baptist youth ministers are facing charges on pedophilia (8 in the last yr alone between TN and AL ) CHILD PORN... oh my gosh... lets go there with it. It's not just a Catholic thing. The congregation circles those wagons because the refuse to believe the charges. Because there is not "central" governing body the stats are bit harder to find but they are out there. You all are not exempt from corruption. It's a better breading ground for abuse than the Catholic church. Small secluded congregations with no accountability.


Also ... For the record I can't believe the "d" word was used. (democrat) That was a bit harsh.

Not obtained by eating something He did on Calvary's cross when He shed His Blood for Salvation and Sanctification.That IS the context of the Holy Eucharist. It is the Holy Sacrifice of the Body and the Blood of Christ... each and
every Sunday as we were commanded to do.
In reference to the Holy Eucharist? That is blasphemy and denial of the Holy Spirit. And you know better but reject it.

Thats what your church has told you, But Gods Word says,

Gen 2:7
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

John 20:22
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

And in Acts on the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit came down and Baptised them in the Holy Spirit Acts 2:1-4
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Thats just a few Scriptures I could post, Does not sound like what you call the eucharist.

If your going to accuse someone of blashpemy and commiting the unpardonable sin you better come up with some proof,
and prove it with Gods Word.

I never said Baptist churches or any other churches were exempt from teaching falsehood or being involved in sinful acts.

The Baptist pastor that baptized me as a boy committed adultery with a members wife. He was fired.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Church does not save. Christ does. Catholics believe we will burn in hell because we aren't part of their institution. That they have a monopoly on Christ. Catholic doctrine says that there is no salvation outside the church.

The real church is us. Followers of Christ. We are his sheep.

And Catholics do indeed worship the Pope. They bow before him, kiss his ring, adore him, have pictures of him in their homes, call him father, idolize him, treat him as Christ's representative or replacement on earth. I understand that Catholics also believe he is to be obeyed in all manner of religious instruction. The scriptures have been twisted by men to give power to this institution you call the Catholic Church.

And before you state apostolic succession is the foundation for his office and the ability for priests to forgive sins,  let me just stop you right there because it is not biblical. Twist it all you like, but it is not biblical.

We only have one high priest. His name is Jesus.

The basis for Catholic succession is "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will bed bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will bee loosed in heaven."

Everybody gets to decide for themselves what that means, but it is in the Bible.  

Catholics do not worship the Pope, but they defer to him in spiritual decisions.  Worshiping the Pope would be breaking one of the ten commandments.  If you know Catholics who worship him as a God, they are incorrect.  Nobody is expected to take advice from the Pope on non-religious matters.  Not much of a God if the Pope can't even tell you whether to start a land war in Asia.

I think if you want to attack Catholics you'd have more fertile ground attacking the succession itself - there were several times in history there were multiple Popes, who is to say we ended up with the right one?  Indulgences used to be a common thing - pay enough money and your sin is forgiven.  History isn't as exciting though.

Edit: Also, Catholic priests are not the source of the power to forgive your sins, they are the conduit through which the powers of Christ are wielded - without Jesus the priest would have no spiritual power at all.  If you met a Catholic that told you the priest himself is the source of the power of forgiveness, they were wrong.

Thank you!

Unable to answer. Again.

Blatant falsehood

I don't think there is one church or denomination that hasn't been influenced by Satan in some way. Anybody who thinks that Sunday is the day God made Holy has been fooled.  It the Law was nailed to the cross, than why aren't the other nine commandments done away with also? The SDA church for instance believes in a prophet and I personally don't think she was. They believe the Investigative Judgement started in 1844 and that doesn't make sense to me either. My point is, it's a good thing there is grace by faith because none of us have it all right.

Another falsehood.

The Catholic Church teaches it has "the fullness of faith" but that God is free to, and does/will, rescue those outside the Church who truly believe in Him and follow his commandments.
You can find commentary regardng this all over the interwebs.

To learn this at the end of the day would not be surprising to me at all.

It's pretty easy find the RCC's catechism or code of canon law on the internet.  There least blameful reason for misrepresenting what the RCC believes and teaches is willful ignorance.

2 Peter 3:15-16
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction

Your first Pope referred to Pauls letters in high regard that he put them on the level of other Scriptures probably meaning the Old Testament.
So the original church had what is now called the Bible, that did not take place years later as your church claims.
To add any other books to Gods Word is to bring it down to mans level.

I'd rather be a Berean and go to Gods Word then go to the internet.

Acts 17:11
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Which is exactly why every person who professes sola scriptura agrees with each other 100%.

You are clueless about the CCC and waht we teach. So the internet is now the document of authority when it comes to the church? Come and learn about and faith and practice it in FULL knowledge the throw your barbs.

From Angelfires post above and what I have read elsewhere they do believe salvation can only come from the RCC.

Nowhere does Jesus say that. On the contrary He makes it clear what you must do.

Whatever you do, for sure don't go to the Vatican web site where the RCC publicly posts what it teaches 

Is this link correct in what the RCC is and believes?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Roman-Catholicism.html

Sounds like you never read God's Word for yourself, probably never read the other books your church talks about either.
Just accept whatever they tell you.

If never means daily, then you are correct...

Another third party web site.

Why don't you start here if you really want to know.   That's the US Conference of Catholic Bishops

If you prefer, you can access the catechism from the Vatican's web site

Where can I find what your church believes or teaches?

Here is where you kind find what I believe and to the best of my knowledge what Southern Baptists believe.

https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible/

Go to the Southern Baptist Convention site if you want.

So is the link accurate in describing RCC beliefs?

Its one thing to say that Peter acknowledged Paul's letters and may have considered them scripture (of course that is assuming that Peter was the true author and that he was martyred at some date significantly later than Paul and that he had time to receive and review all of Paul's letters). Its entirely different to say that 'The Bible' was available and referenced by early Christians at the time of 2nd Peter. Peter is generally thought to have been martyred between 60 and 65 AD. So tell me if Peter was 'writing' his epistle in his last days what other books were in this Bible by 65 AD? Interesting that many of the gospels and other epistles are dated much later. What about the Gospel of Peter, or Thomas or James? Were they in this Bible that you claim existed at the time of 2 Peter? And how did this Bible get circulated?

Your contention is full of holes.

From the Southern Baptist Convention website

Baptism and the Lord's Supper

The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members … memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.

From KJV
John 6:⁵⁴ Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.⁵⁵ For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.⁵⁶ He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. ⁵⁷ As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.⁵⁸ This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat
manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.⁵⁹ These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.⁶⁰ Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?⁶¹ When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? ⁶² What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words
that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.⁶⁴ But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the
beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.⁶⁶ From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

The KJV seems rather at odds with the 'symbolic act' professed by SBC. So where exactly in the Bible does Jesus say that it is a symbol?
Family

Marriage is the uniting of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime. ... The husband and wife are of equal worth before God, since both are created in God's image. A husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. He has the God-given responsibility to provide
for, to protect, and to lead his family. A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ. She, being in the image of God as is her husband and thus equal to him, has the God-given
responsibility to respect her husband and to serve as his helper in managing the household and nurturing the next generation... Children, from the moment of conception, are a blessing and heritage from the Lord. Parents are to demonstrate to their children God's pattern for
marriage.

From KJV
Ephesians 5:²² Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.²³ For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.²⁴ Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.²⁵ Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;²⁶ That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,²⁷ That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or
wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without
blemish.²⁸ So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.²⁹ For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

Really? Kind of left out the whole husband sacrificing himself for the sake of the wife thing.

And that first line is pretty rich too. With the highest divorce rates in Christendom being in non-denom and Baptist households, I'm rather shocked that this first statement is an article of faith. By contrast the divorce rate for Catholics is not only lower but those who divorce and remarry are barred from the Sacraments (frankly most leave and become non-denoms or nothing).

I may have misposted...responded here but meant to respond to someone else.. sigh . Humble apologies. 

Wait, Now we have to assume that Peter wrote Peter? God's Word is True so Peter wrote Peter, and the Peter that wrote Peter is a man that spent time with the Lord, and does not sound or talk like any roman catholic pope.
Its another one of your failed attempts at denigrating the Word of God, Is God's Word a lie or has false books written by false people. No! if you don't beleive that then get saved!

What about these other gospels you mention? You keep bringing them up, tell me what they are. If you doubt Peter wrote Peter how can you know who wrote them?  And why do we need them? Are they a different Gospel then what we currently have?
What are you implying? The Bible as written gives any man all the answers to Salvation and living for God, The Holy Spirit did not make a mistake or leave anything out. There is no mistake in it.
And if Gods Word as writtten is not enough, more books are not going to help you.
Good thing that we are currently under Grace, If you lived in Old Testament times under law you would be stoned for what you just said.

The fact that Peter mentioned Pauls writings (plural) means that more then one letter was out there, They were being spread as the Gospel spread. Since Jesus was the Old Testament, Those Scriptures were available as
The Gospel was preached and confirm New Testament writings.
Rom 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Did Isaiah write Isaiah? Yes because Gods Word is true and correct. He propesised about your church. ISH 29:13.
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

If the Lord was in your heart you would not doubt or denagrate it.
No wonder you will not find a Bible in a catholic church or see anyone with one.

Did Jesus cut his hand and pour it in a cup? Did he cut off His finger and slice it up like a piece of meat?

No He did not. It was a symbolic act and we are to do it in remembrance of Him just like He said.

And He took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Why is it so hard for Catholics to understand that Christ did not build up this monstrosity of a religion with all these thousands of interpretations and rituals.  He made salvation a free gift. We did not earn it. He graciously gave it to us.

As a matter of fact, Jesus did  not like the Pharisees behavior with all their pomp and circumstance. Blind guides he called them. Read Matthew 23.

Seems to me that the Catholic Church and many other churches in America today, are exactly what Christ was talking about in Matthew 23.

https://biblia.com/books/kjv1900/Mt23

Amen!
The Pharisees and Sadducees are pictures of religious systems, same as today, that neglect the commandments of our Father in Heaven, in order to keep their traditions of men.

From the USCCB:


Link

The Real Presence Of Jesus Christ In The Sacrament Of The Eucharist: Basic Questions And Answers

The Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist: Basic Questions and Answers

Produced by the Committee on Doctrine of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and  approved by the full body of bishops at their June 2001 General Meeting. The text is authorized for publication by the undersigned.

Monsignor William P. Fay
General Secretary, USCCB

Introduction

The Lord Jesus, on the night before he suffered on the cross, shared one last meal with his disciples. During this meal our Savior instituted the sacrament of his Body and Blood. He did this in order to perpetuate the sacrifice of the Cross throughout the ages and to entrust to the Church his Spouse a memorial of his death and resurrection. As the Gospel of Matthew tells us:
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins." (Mt 26:26-28; cf. Mk 14:22-24, Lk 22:17-20, 1 Cor 11:23-25)

Recalling these words of Jesus, the Catholic Church professes that, in the celebration of the Eucharist, bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit and the instrumentality of the priest. Jesus said: "I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. . . . For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink" (Jn 6:51-55). The whole Christ is truly present, body, blood, soul, and divinity, under the appearances of bread and wine—the glorified Christ who rose from the dead after dying for our sins. This is what the Church means when she speaks of the "Real Presence" of Christ in the Eucharist. This presence of Christ in the Eucharist is called "real" not to exclude other types of his presence as if they could not be understood as real (cf. Catechism, no. 1374). The risen Christ is present to his Church in many ways, but most especially through the sacrament of his Body and Blood.

What does it mean that Jesus Christ is present in the Eucharist under the appearances of bread and wine? How does this happen? The presence of the risen Christ in the Eucharist is an inexhaustible mystery that the Church can never fully explain in words. We must remember that the triune God is the creator of all that exists and has the power to do more than we can possibly imagine. As St. Ambrose said: "If the word of the Lord Jesus is so powerful as to bring into existence things which were not, then a fortiori those things which already exist can be changed into something else" ( De Sacramentis, IV, 5-16). God created the world in order to share his life with persons who are not God. This great plan of salvation reveals a wisdom that surpasses our understanding. But we are not left in ignorance: for out of his love for us, God reveals his truth to us in ways that we can understand through the gift of faith and the grace of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. We are thus enabled to understand at least in some measure what would otherwise remain unknown to us, though we can never completely comprehend the mystery of God.

As successors of the Apostles and teachers of the Church, the bishops have the duty to hand on what God has revealed to us and to encourage all members of the Church to deepen their understanding of the mystery and gift of the Eucharist. In order to foster such a deepening of faith, we have prepared this text to respond to fifteen questions that commonly arise with regard to the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. We offer this text to pastors and religious educators to assist them in their teaching responsibilities. We recognize that some of these questions involve rather complex theological ideas. It is our hope, however, that study and discussion of the text will aid many of the Catholic faithful in our country to enrich their understanding of this mystery of the faith.
Why does Jesus give himself to us as food and drink?
Jesus gives himself to us in the Eucharist as spiritual nourishment because he loves us. God's whole plan for our salvation is directed to our participation in the life of the Trinity, the communion of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Our sharing in this life begins with our Baptism, when by the power of the Holy Spirit we are joined to Christ, thus becoming adopted sons and daughters of the Father. It is strengthened and increased in Confirmation. It is nourished and deepened through our participation in the Eucharist. By eating the Body and drinking the Blood of Christ in the Eucharist we become united to the person of Christ through his humanity. "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him" (Jn 6:56). In being united to the humanity of Christ we are at the same time united to his divinity. Our mortal and corruptible natures are transformed by being joined to the source of life. "Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me" (Jn 6:57). By being united to Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, we are drawn up into the eternal relationship of love among the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. As Jesus is the eternal Son of God by nature, so we become sons and daughters of God by adoption through the sacrament of Baptism. Through the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation (Chrismation), we are temples of the Holy Spirit, who dwells in us, and by his indwelling we are made holy by the gift of sanctifying grace. The ultimate promise of the Gospel is that we will share in the life of the Holy Trinity. The Fathers of the Church called this participation in the divine life "divinization" ( theosis). In this we see that God does not merely send us good things from on high; instead, we are brought up into the inner life of God, the communion among the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In the celebration of the Eucharist (which means "thanksgiving") we give praise and glory to God for this sublime gift.

Why is the Eucharist not only a meal but also a sacrifice?
While our sins would have made it impossible for us to share in the life of God, Jesus Christ was sent to remove this obstacle. His death was a sacrifice for our sins. Christ is "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" (Jn 1:29). Through his death and resurrection, he conquered sin and death and reconciled us to God. The Eucharist is the memorial of this sacrifice. The Church gathers to remember and to re-present the sacrifice of Christ in which we share through the action of the priest and the power of the Holy Spirit. Through the celebration of the Eucharist, we are joined to Christ's sacrifice and receive its inexhaustible benefits. As the Letter to the Hebrews explains, Jesus is the one eternal high priest who always lives to make intercession for the people before the Father. In this way, he surpasses the many high priests who over centuries used to offer sacrifices for sin in the Jerusalem temple. The eternal high priest Jesus offers the perfect sacrifice which is his very self, not something else. "He entered once for all into the sanctuary, not with the blood of goats and calves but with his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption" (Heb 9:12). Jesus' act belongs to human history, for he is truly human and has entered into history. At the same time, however, Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity; he is the eternal Son, who is not confined within time or history. His actions transcend time, which is part of creation. "Passing through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hands, that is, not belonging to this creation" (Heb 9:11), Jesus the eternal Son of God made his act of sacrifice in the presence of his Father, who lives in eternity. Jesus' one perfect sacrifice is thus eternally present before the Father, who eternally accepts it. This means that in the Eucharist, Jesus does not sacrifice himself again and again. Rather, by the power of the Holy Spirit his one eternal sacrifice is made present once again, re-presented, so that we may share in it. Christ does not have to leave where he is in heaven to be with us. Rather, we partake of the heavenly liturgy where Christ eternally intercedes for us and presents his sacrifice to the Father and where the angels and saints constantly glorify God and give thanks for all his gifts: "To the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor, glory and might, forever and ever" (Rev 5:13). As the Catechism of the Catholic Church states, "By the Eucharistic celebration we already unite ourselves with the heavenly liturgy and anticipate eternal life, when God will be all in all" (no. 1326). The Sanctus proclamation, "Holy, Holy, Holy Lord . . . ," is the song of the angels who are in the presence of God (Is 6:3). When in the Eucharist we proclaim the Sanctus we echo on earth the song of angels as they worship God in heaven. In the eucharistic celebration we do not simply remember an event in history. Rather, through the mysterious action of the Holy Spirit in the eucharistic celebration the Lord's Paschal Mystery is made present and contemporaneous to his Spouse the Church. Furthermore, in the eucharistic re-presentation of Christ's eternal sacrifice before the Father, we are not simply spectators. The priest and the worshiping community are in different ways active in the eucharistic sacrifice. The ordained priest standing at the altar represents Christ as head of the Church. All the baptized, as members of Christ's Body, share in his priesthood, as both priest and victim. The Eucharist is also the sacrifice of the Church. The Church, which is the Body and Bride of Christ, participates in the sacrificial offering of her Head and Spouse. In the Eucharist, the sacrifice of Christ becomes the sacrifice of the members of his Body who united to Christ form one sacrificial offering (cf. Catechism, no. 1368). As Christ's sacrifice is made sacramentally present, united with Christ, we offer ourselves as a sacrifice to the Father. "The whole Church exercises the role of priest and victim along with Christ, offering the Sacrifice of the Mass and itself completely offered in it" ( Mysterium Fidei, no. 31; cf. Lumen Gentium, no. 11).

When the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ, why do they still look and taste like bread and wine?
In the celebration of the Eucharist, the glorified Christ becomes present under the appearances of bread and wine in a way that is unique, a way that is uniquely suited to the Eucharist. In the Church's traditional theological language, in the act of consecration during the Eucharist the "substance" of the bread and wine is changed by the power of the Holy Spirit into the "substance" of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. At the same time, the "accidents" or appearances of bread and wine remain. "Substance" and "accident" are here used as philosophical terms that have been adapted by great medieval theologians such as St. Thomas Aquinas in their efforts to understand and explain the faith. Such terms are used to convey the fact that what appears to be bread and wine in every way (at the level of "accidents" or physical attributes - that is, what can be seen, touched, tasted, or measured) in fact is now the Body and Blood of Christ (at the level of "substance" or deepest reality). This change at the level of substance from bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is called "transubstantiation." According to Catholic faith, we can speak of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist because this transubstantiation has occurred (cf. Catechism, no. 1376). This is a great mystery of our faith—we can only know it from Christ's teaching given us in the Scriptures and in the Tradition of the Church. Every other change that occurs in the world involves a change in accidents or characteristics. Sometimes the accidents change while the substance remains the same. For example, when a child reaches adulthood, the characteristics of the human person change in many ways, but the adult remains the same person—the same substance. At other times, the substance and the accidents both change. For example, when a person eats an apple, the apple is incorporated into the body of that person—is changed into the body of that person. When this change of substance occurs, however, the accidents or characteristics of the apple do not remain. As the apple is changed into the body of the person, it takes on the accidents or characteristics of the body of that person. Christ's presence in the Eucharist is unique in that, even though the consecrated bread and wine truly are in substance the Body and Blood of Christ, they have none of the accidents or characteristics of a human body, but only those of bread and wine.

Does the bread cease to be bread and the wine cease to be wine?
Yes. In order for the whole Christ to be present—body, blood, soul, and divinity—the bread and wine cannot remain, but must give way so that his glorified Body and Blood may be present. Thus in the Eucharist the bread ceases to be bread in substance, and becomes the Body of Christ, while the wine ceases to be wine in substance, and becomes the Blood of Christ. As St. Thomas Aquinas observed, Christ is not quoted as saying, " This bread is my body," but " This is my body" ( Summa Theologiae, III q. 78, a. 5).

Is it fitting that Christ's Body and Blood become present in the Eucharist under the appearances of bread and wine?
Yes, for this way of being present corresponds perfectly to the sacramental celebration of the Eucharist. Jesus Christ gives himself to us in a form that employs the symbolism inherent in eating bread and drinking wine. Furthermore, being present under the appearances of bread and wine, Christ gives himself to us in a form that is appropriate for human eating and drinking. Also, this kind of presence corresponds to the virtue of faith, for the presence of the Body and Blood of Christ cannot be detected or discerned by any way other than faith. That is why St. Bonaventure affirmed: "There is no difficulty over Christ's being present in the sacrament as in a sign; the great difficulty is in the fact that He is really in the sacrament, as He is in heaven. And so believing this is especially meritorious" ( In IV Sent., dist. X, P. I, art. un., qu. I). On the authority of God who reveals himself to us, by faith we believe that which cannot be grasped by our human faculties (cf. Catechism, no. 1381).

Are the consecrated bread and wine "merely symbols"?
In everyday language, we call a "symbol" something that points beyond itself to something else, often to several other realities at once. The transformed bread and wine that are the Body and Blood of Christ are not merely symbols because they truly are the Body and Blood of Christ. As St. John Damascene wrote: "The bread and wine are not a foreshadowing of the body and blood of Christ—By no means!—but the actual deified body of the Lord, because the Lord Himself said: ‘This is my body'; not ‘a foreshadowing of my body' but ‘my body,' and not ‘a foreshadowing of my blood' but ‘my blood'" ( The Orthodox Faith, IV [PG 94, 1148-49]). At the same time, however, it is important to recognize that the Body and Blood of Christ come to us in the Eucharist in a sacramental form. In other words, Christ is present under the appearances of bread and wine, not in his own proper form. We cannot presume to know all the reasons behind God's actions. God uses, however, the symbolism inherent in the eating of bread and the drinking of wine at the natural level to illuminate the meaning of what is being accomplished in the Eucharist through Jesus Christ. There are various ways in which the symbolism of eating bread and drinking wine discloses the meaning of the Eucharist. For example, just as natural food gives nourishment to the body, so the eucharistic food gives spiritual nourishment. Furthermore, the sharing of an ordinary meal establishes a certain communion among the people who share it; in the Eucharist, the People of God share a meal that brings them into communion not only with each other but with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Similarly, as St. Paul tells us, the single loaf that is shared among many during the eucharistic meal is an indication of the unity of those who have been called together by the Holy Spirit as one body, the Body of Christ (1 Cor 10:17). To take another example, the individual grains of wheat and individual grapes have to be harvested and to undergo a process of grinding or crushing before they are unified as bread and as wine. Because of this, bread and wine point to both the union of the many that takes place in the Body of Christ and the suffering undergone by Christ, a suffering that must also be embraced by his disciples. Much more could be said about the many ways in which the eating of bread and drinking of wine symbolize what God does for us through Christ, since symbols carry multiple meanings and connotations.

Do the consecrated bread and wine cease to be the Body and Blood of Christ when the Mass is over?
No. During the celebration of the Eucharist, the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ, and this they remain. They cannot turn back into bread and wine, for they are no longer bread and wine at all. There is thus no reason for them to change back to their "normal" state after the special circumstances of the Mass are past. Once the substance has really changed, the presence of the Body and Blood of Christ "endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist" ( Catechism, no. 1377). Against those who maintained that the bread that is consecrated during the Eucharist has no sanctifying power if it is left over until the next day, St. Cyril of Alexandria replied, "Christ is not altered, nor is his holy body changed, but the power of the consecration and his life-giving grace is perpetual in it" ( Letter 83, to Calosyrius, Bishop of Arsinoe [ PG 76, 1076]). The Church teaches that Christ remains present under the appearances of bread and wine as long as the appearances of bread and wine remain (cf. Catechism, no. 1377).

Why are some of the consecrated hosts reserved after the Mass?
While it would be possible to eat all of the bread that is consecrated during the Mass, some is usually kept in the tabernacle. The Body of Christ under the appearance of bread that is kept or "reserved" after the Mass is commonly referred to as the "Blessed Sacrament." There are several pastoral reasons for reserving the Blessed Sacrament. First of all, it is used for distribution to the dying ( Viaticum), the sick, and those who legitimately cannot be present for the celebration of the Eucharist. Secondly, the Body of Christ in the form of bread is to be adored when it is exposed, as in the Rite of Eucharistic Exposition and Benediction, when it is carried in eucharistic processions, or when it is simply placed in the tabernacle, before which people pray privately. These devotions are based on the fact that Christ himself is present under the appearance of bread. Many holy people well known to American Catholics, such as St. John Neumann, St. Elizabeth Ann Seton, St. Katharine Drexel, and Blessed Damien of Molokai, practiced great personal devotion to Christ present in the Blessed Sacrament. In the Eastern Catholic Churches, devotion to the reserved Blessed Sacrament is practiced most directly at the Divine Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts, offered on weekdays of Lent.

What are appropriate signs of reverence with respect to the Body and Blood of Christ?
The Body and Blood of Christ present under the appearances of bread and wine are treated with the greatest reverence both during and after the celebration of the Eucharist (cf. Mysterium Fidei, nos. 56-61). For example, the tabernacle in which the consecrated bread is reserved is placed "in some part of the church or oratory which is distinguished, conspicuous, beautifully decorated, and suitable for prayer" ( Code of Canon Law, Can. 938, §2). According to the tradition of the Latin Church, one should genuflect in the presence of the tabernacle containing the reserved sacrament. In the Eastern Catholic Churches, the traditional practice is to make the sign of the cross and to bow profoundly. The liturgical gestures from both traditions reflect reverence, respect, and adoration. It is appropriate for the members of the assembly to greet each other in the gathering space of the church (that is, the vestibule or narthex), but it is not appropriate to speak in loud or boisterous tones in the body of the church (that is, the nave) because of the presence of Christ in the tabernacle. Also, the Church requires everyone to fast before receiving the Body and Blood of Christ as a sign of reverence and recollection (unless illness prevents one from doing so). In the Latin Church, one must generally fast for at least one hour; members of Eastern Catholic Churches must follow the practice established by their own Church.

If someone without faith eats and drinks the consecrated bread and wine, does he or she still receive the Body and Blood of Christ?
If "to receive" means "to consume," the answer is yes, for what the person consumes is the Body and Blood of Christ. If "to receive" means "to accept the Body and Blood of Christ knowingly and willingly as what they are, so as to obtain the spiritual benefit," then the answer is no. A lack of faith on the part of the person eating and drinking the Body and Blood of Christ cannot change what these are, but it does prevent the person from obtaining the spiritual benefit, which is communion with Christ. Such reception of Christ's Body and Blood would be in vain and, if done knowingly, would be sacrilegious (1 Cor 11:29). Reception of the Blessed Sacrament is not an automatic remedy. If we do not desire communion with Christ, God does not force this upon us. Rather, we must by faith accept God's offer of communion in Christ and in the Holy Spirit, and cooperate with God's grace in order to have our hearts and minds transformed and our faith and love of God increased.

If a believer who is conscious of having committed a mortal sin eats and drinks the consecrated bread and wine, does he or she still receive the Body and Blood of Christ?
Yes. The attitude or disposition of the recipient cannot change what the consecrated bread and wine are. The question here is thus not primarily about the nature of the Real Presence, but about how sin affects the relationship between an individual and the Lord. Before one steps forward to receive the Body and Blood of Christ in Holy Communion, one needs to be in a right relationship with the Lord and his Mystical Body, the Church - that is, in a state of grace, free of all mortal sin. While sin damages, and can even destroy, that relationship, the sacrament of Penance can restore it. St. Paul tells us that "whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup" (1 Cor 11:27-28). Anyone who is conscious of having committed a mortal sin should be reconciled through the sacrament of Penance before receiving the Body and Blood of Christ, unless a grave reason exists for doing so and there is no opportunity for confession. In this case, the person is to be mindful of the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, that is, an act of sorrow for sins that "arises from a love by which God is loved above all else" ( Catechism, no. 1452). The act of perfect contrition must be accompanied by the firm intention of making a sacramental confession as soon as possible.

Does one receive the whole Christ if one receives Holy Communion under a single form?
Yes. Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior, is wholly present under the appearance either of bread or of wine in the Eucharist. Furthermore, Christ is wholly present in any fragment of the consecrated Host or in any drop of the Precious Blood. Nevertheless, it is especially fitting to receive Christ in both forms during the celebration of the Eucharist. This allows the Eucharist to appear more perfectly as a banquet, a banquet that is a foretaste of the banquet that will be celebrated with Christ at the end of time when the Kingdom of God is established in its fullness (cf. Eucharisticum Mysterium, no. 32).

Is Christ present during the celebration of the Eucharist in other ways in addition to his Real Presence in the Blessed Sacrament?
Yes. Christ is present during the Eucharist in various ways. He is present in the person of the priest who offers the sacrifice of the Mass. According to the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy of the Second Vatican Council, Christ is present in his Word "since it is he himself who speaks when the holy scriptures are read in the Church." He is also present in the assembled people as they pray and sing, "for he has promised ‘where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them' (Mt 18:20)" ( Sacrosanctum Concilium, no. 7). Furthermore, he is likewise present in other sacraments; for example, "when anybody baptizes it is really Christ himself who baptizes" (ibid.). We speak of the presence of Christ under the appearances of bread and wine as "real" in order to emphasize the special nature of that presence. What appears to be bread and wine is in its very substance the Body and Blood of Christ. The entire Christ is present, God and man, body and blood, soul and divinity. While the other ways in which Christ is present in the celebration of the Eucharist are certainly not unreal, this way surpasses the others. "This presence is called ‘real' not to exclude the idea that the others are ‘real' too, but rather to indicate presence par excellence, because it is substantial and through it Christ becomes present whole and entire, God and man" ( Mysterium Fidei, no. 39).

Why do we speak of the "Body of Christ" in more than one sense?
First, the Body of Christ refers to the human body of Jesus Christ, who is the divine Word become man. During the Eucharist, the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ. As human, Jesus Christ has a human body, a resurrected and glorified body that in the Eucharist is offered to us in the form of bread and wine. Secondly, as St. Paul taught us in his letters, using the analogy of the human body, the Church is the Body of Christ, in which many members are united with Christ their head (1 Cor 10:16-17, 12:12-31; Rom 12:4-8). This reality is frequently referred to as the Mystical Body of Christ. All those united to Christ, the living and the dead, are joined together as one Body in Christ. This union is not one that can be seen by human eyes, for it is a mystical union brought about by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Mystical Body of Christ and the eucharistic Body of Christ are inseparably linked. By Baptism we enter the Mystical Body of Christ, the Church, and by receiving the eucharistic Body of Christ we are strengthened and built up into the Mystical Body of Christ. The central act of the Church is the celebration of the Eucharist; the individual believers are sustained as members of the Church, members of the Mystical Body of Christ, through their reception of the Body of Christ in the Eucharist. Playing on the two meanings of "Body of Christ," St. Augustine tells those who are to receive the Body of Christ in the Eucharist: "Be what you see, and receive what you are" (Sermon 272). In another sermon he says, "If you receive worthily, you are what you have received" (Sermon 227). The work of the Holy Spirit in the celebration of the Eucharist is twofold in a way that corresponds to the twofold meaning of "Body of Christ." On the one hand, it is through the power of the Holy Spirit that the risen Christ and his act of sacrifice become present. In the eucharistic prayer, the priest asks the Father to send the Holy Spirit down upon the gifts of bread and wine to transform them into the Body and Blood of Christ (a prayer known as the epiclesis or "invocation upon"). On the other hand, at the same time the priest also asks the Father to send the Holy Spirit down upon the whole assembly so that "those who take part in the Eucharist may be one body and one spirit" ( Catechism, no. 1353). It is through the Holy Spirit that the gift of the eucharistic Body of Christ comes to us and through the Holy Spirit that we are joined to Christ and each other as the Mystical Body of Christ. By this we can see that the celebration of the Eucharist does not just unite us to God as individuals who are isolated from one another. Rather, we are united to Christ together with all the other members of the Mystical Body. The celebration of the Eucharist should thus increase our love for one another and remind us of our responsibilities toward one another. Furthermore, as members of the Mystical Body, we have a duty to represent Christ and to bring Christ to the world. We have a responsibility to share the Good News of Christ not only by our words but also by how we live our lives. We also have a responsibility to work against all the forces in our world that oppose the Gospel, including all forms of injustice. The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches us: "The Eucharist commits us to the poor. To receive in truth the Body and Blood of Christ given up for us, we must recognize Christ in the poorest, his brethren" (no. 1397).

Why do we call the presence of Christ in the Eucharist a "mystery"?
The word "mystery" is commonly used to refer to something that escapes the full comprehension of the human mind. In the Bible, however, the word has a deeper and more specific meaning, for it refers to aspects of God's plan of salvation for humanity, which has already begun but will be completed only with the end of time. In ancient Israel, through the Holy Spirit God revealed to the prophets some of the secrets of what he was going to accomplish for the salvation of his people (cf. Am 3:7; Is 21:28; Dan 2:27-45). Likewise, through the preaching and teaching of Jesus, the mystery of "the Kingdom of God" was being revealed to his disciples (Mk 4:11-12). St. Paul explained that the mysteries of God may challenge our human understanding or may even seem to be foolishness, but their meaning is revealed to the People of God through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Cor 1:18-25, 2:6-10; Rom 16:25-27; Rev 10:7). The Eucharist is a mystery because it participates in the mystery of Jesus Christ and God's plan to save humanity through Christ. We should not be surprised if there are aspects of the Eucharist that are not easy to understand, for God's plan for the world has repeatedly surpassed human expectations and human understanding (cf. Jn 6:60-66). For example, even the disciples did not at first understand that it was necessary for the Messiah to be put to death and then to rise from the dead (cf. Mk 8:31-33, 9:31-32, 10:32-34; Mt 16: 21-23, 17:22-23, 20:17-19; Lk 9:22, 9:43-45, 18:31-34). Furthermore, any time that we are speaking of God we need to keep in mind that our human concepts never entirely grasp God. We must not try to limit God to our understanding, but allow our understanding to be stretched beyond its normal limitations by God's revelation.


Conclusion
By his Real Presence in the Eucharist Christ fulfils his promise to be with us "always, until the end of the age" (Mt 28:20). As St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, "It is the law of friendship that friends should live together. . . . Christ has not left us without his bodily presence in this our pilgrimage, but he joins us to himself in this sacrament in the reality of his body and blood" ( Summa Theologiae, III q. 75, a. 1). With this gift of Christ's presence in our midst, the Church is truly blessed. As Jesus told his disciples, referring to his presence among them, "Amen, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it" (Mt 13:17). In the Eucharist the Church both receives the gift of Jesus Christ and gives grateful thanks to God for such a blessing. This thanksgiving is the only proper response, for through this gift of himself in the celebration of the Eucharist under the appearances of bread and wine Christ gives us the gift of eternal life.
Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. . . . Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. (Jn 6:53-57)

Eucharistic Miracles

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After scientific investigation, a eucharistic miracle in Poland was recently confirmed as authentic by the local bishop of the area. Initially, the Host had fallen on the ground, so it was placed in water, as is customarily done in such cases. Not long afterward, the Eucharist began turning red, as if bloody.

Tests subsequently done on the subject indicated it came from human tissue "most similar to the heart muscle ... as it appears under the strains of agony."

The case is similar to one that occurred in Buenos Aires, Argentina years ago. In 1996, when then-Bishop Jorge Bergoglio (now Pope Francis) was an auxiliary bishop there under Cdl. Antonio Quarracino. A consecrated Host was found on the ground and soon placed in a glass of water to dissolve. Days later, the Eucharist wasn't dissolved at all — it had turned into bloody Flesh.

Cardinal Quarracino and Bp. Bergoglio took a photograph of the bloody Host for the record, then stored it in a tabernacle to decompose. In 1999, three years later, that same bloody Flesh remained. That's when Dr. Ricardo Castañón, a Bolivian neurophysiologist, was called in to have samples from the Host examined in a laboratory environment.



Doctor Castañón took it to the San Francisco Forensic Institute without telling anyone there what it was or where it came from. After testing, he was told the samples constituted heart muscle, specifically from the myocardium of the left ventricle. Further, the tests showed the blood was human, with human DNA, and of the rare AB-positive type — the same as found on the Shroud of Turin.

Following those results, the Host was taken to Dr. Frederick Zugibe, an esteemed cardiologist and forensic pathologist at Columbia University in New York. According to Dr. Castañón, Dr. Zugibe tested the samples he was given and said the person whose heart it came from must have been tortured. Further, Dr. Zugibe was reportedly amazed that when he studied the samples, they were pulsating like a living, beating heart.

When Dr. Castañón first came across the miracle in 1999, he was an atheist. Today, he's a Catholic.

After that, the results of the tests were compared to samples from another eucharistic miracle that took place in Lanciano, Italy roughly 1,300 years ago. The Body and Blood from that miracle are still preserved at a church in the town. In 1970, they were examined scientifically and, like the Buenos Aires sample, found to be from a human heart with AB-positive blood.

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The miracle of Lanciano on display
The comparison indicated that the samples from both Buenos Aires and Lanciano must have come from the same man. They both had the exact same DNA.

Church leaders are always careful to test potential miracles and rule out natural causes. Last year, in Utah, a Host that had been dropped and kept in water appeared blood red after days. However, after a thorough investigation, the red substance turned out not to be blood but rather mold. So the Church isn't quick to label every case like this miraculous. But sometimes, after healthy skepticism and cautious investigation, there's no other conclusion that can be drawn.

What part of THIS IS MY BODY and THIS IS MY BLOOD.. do you not get? He didn't say put some grape juice in a cup and eat a piece of bread in remembrance of me. And what about all the scripture referencing the food so you will never thirst or be hungry again?  The Catholic church since the time of the apostles has held that belief. THIS IS MY BODY and THIS IS MY BLOOD.  It doesn't get more  Sola Scriptura than that!!!!  We are saved through baptism as are you... .even the church recognizes the baptism of other churches but you are just missing the mark on the Eucharist.

And this is OFFENSIVE. You are nothing but a bigot. You aren't calling out false hoods because it was there LONG BEFORE all the other offshoots. This again is blasphemy. Did you expect our Lord to CUT OFF HIS ARM? Wasn't his crucifixtion enough for you? Kinda sick there.

So you dropped your god on the ground, then put him in a jar of water. Not much of a god you have there.

Pharaoh's sorcerers threw down their rods and they became snakes. Ex 7:12
The devil can perform counterfeit miracles.

When Jesus said this He was talking about how He was going to give up His body to be crucified.
He was the blood Sacrifice that God required to take away the sins of the world.

As food nourishes the flesh to keep it alive, Jesus death on the cross is Spiritual food.
Put your faith in that finished work, Put your faith in what He did on the cross. That is Spiritual food for man to live off of.
For man does not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

By whose interpretation? Because I don't don't recall any of our names  mentioned as being there during Pentecosts as one of the chosen apostles who saw THROUGH what Christ asked and commissioned in trust: The Holy Eucharist. Anything is possible with God but  I did a quick search and we aren't anywhere in the original 12...  I believe in the True Presence of Christ. The food that he promised is the Holy Eucharist and every mass places us in the Real Presence of the divine Christ. I believe in His Life Death and Resurrection and the advocate the Paraclete and in the Word that Proceeds from the mouth of God. I don't think it gets more TRUE than that.

My God is the Christ. The God of Christians. So, I have no Idea why you would call His Priests sorcerers. But, that is your way. Yoi obviously bypassed the info in the poat orior to that.