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Posted: 6/18/2015 3:46:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/18/2015 7:02:25 PM EDT
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Dr. Bill Donahue of the Catholic League responds:

Pope Urges Environmental Reforms

June 18, 2015
Bill Donohue comments on Pope Francis' encyclical, Laudato Si:

Pope Francis wouldn't be Pope Francis unless he was confounding his critics. Conservatives will recoil at his left-leaning politics, anti-market impulse, embrace of global policies to combat climate change, and his  doomsday scenarios. Liberals will recoil at his condemnation of population control, embryonic destruction, and abortion; they will also reject his insistence on "valuing one's own body in its femininity or masculinity," asking us to "joyfully accept the special gifts of the sexes" (#155).

The pope paints a bleak picture saying that the earth "is beginning to look more and more like an immense pile of filth." This may explain why he thinks—he actually calls it a "fact"—that "people no longer seem to believe in a happy future" (#113). Similarly, he does not say that we have a right to the pursuit of happiness, but a right to happiness itself (#43).

The pope's love for God's creation is genuine, and his urgent call for environmental reforms is welcome. But some will no doubt question his assertion that carbon dioxide is a pollutant (#24). Pollutants are generally regarded as human additives, not constitutive properties of humankind. His condemnation of air conditioning will also make eyes roll: he does not blame AC usage on consumer demand but on capitalists seeking to make money (#55).

Some of the problems he identifies are universal and resistant to reform. He decries population density in urban areas—the two are inseparable—and he bemoans the fact that "we still have not solved the problem of poverty" (#27). Whether it is poverty or environmental destruction, the pope fingers the pursuit of profit as the culprit, not governmental policies.

At one point (#61), he asks us to reject "doomsday predictions," yet later (#161) he says: "Doomsday predictions can no longer be met with irony or disdain." Better editing would have avoided such a serious inconsistency. No matter, the pope has given everyone much to consider.
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Link Posted: 6/19/2015 10:15:32 PM EDT
[#2]
we err in thinking that communists and socialists are not motivated by greed - they most certainly are and are in fact more dangerous in their greed than any robber baron or capitalist insofar as agents of the state they wield far more power over life and death than even the Hollywood villain (with the sole exception of Umbrella corp).
Link Posted: 6/19/2015 10:17:05 PM EDT
[#3]
the encyclical damns those currently in power in governments and global finance.

Now....what is the majority of the world's governments if not socialist? And what ideology reigns on the level of global finance? Certainly not right-wing conservatism

So who is the Pope condemning if not the Left?.
Link Posted: 6/20/2015 5:19:35 AM EDT
[#4]
So who is the Pope condemning if not the Left?
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Darn good point, Jus!
Link Posted: 6/20/2015 9:49:16 AM EDT
[#5]
This document is yet another source of embarrassment and confusion from this pope.   Thankfully it is not binding.

https://harvestingthefruit.com/laudato-si/#comments

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/1819-why-i-m-disregarding-laudato-si-and-you-should-too
Link Posted: 6/20/2015 9:50:34 AM EDT
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Darn good point, Jus!
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So who is the Pope condemning if not the Left?


Darn good point, Jus!



More like wishful thinking.
Link Posted: 6/20/2015 10:05:54 AM EDT
[#7]
Ignore the rise of Muslim extremism and the murder of Christians, but come out strong on the dangers of global warming.  Got it.
Link Posted: 6/20/2015 10:52:55 AM EDT
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Ignore the rise of Muslim extremism and the murder of Christians, but come out strong on the dangers of global warming. Got it.
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Yes--another GREAT POINT.

P.S.
How about some plain-talk opposition from the Catholic, Ann Barnhardt, who always takes aim and dismisses Pope Francis altogether:

Here’s the deal. Pope Francis, while the Vicar of Christ gloriously reigning, is not a terribly bright man. What brings Jorge Maria Bergoglio’s intellectual shortcomings into even starker relief is the fact that his predecessor, Benedict XVI Ratzinger is not only a bona fide genius, but also … still alive. Francis is a mediocre intellect, poorly educated, and a member of an order (the Jesuits) that is so far-gone that it should be suppressed. Layer on top of this the generation of which Francis is a product: perhaps the most godless, evil, blind generation in human history, and add in the fact that while being poorly educated in the age of the hippy, he has also lived his entire life in South America, which has been more steadily and overtly influenced by Marxism, both in the secular world as well as in the Church, than either Europe or North America over the last fifty years.

Jorge Maria Bergoglio is the first “affirmative action” pope – which is a different thing entirely from nepotism. The College of Cardinals, again, not exactly a collection of the smartest men in the world – remember Tracksuit Timmy Dolan, dinner host of antichrists and celebrant of “gay” Masses, a man whose capacity for intellectual nuance is on par with a box of hair, is not only a cardinal, but the head of the U.S. Bishop’s conference – went into the conclave wanting to elect not the best man, not the brightest intellect, not the most competent manager. No. The criteria were racial and geographical. “Um, we need to have a pope from the Western Hemisphere. We need to have a pope from a Spanish-speaking country. We need to make the Latinos feel good and keep the Latino money flowing, because they are the only ones not contracepting themselves into extinction.”

And, if this culture of stupidity persists, then mark my words: they will elect a black African next time for no other reason than “affirmative action”.
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Bruthas From Anutha Mutha: Obama and Francis

(her caption: "Don't bother running...you'll only die tired."

“The most evident mark of God’s anger, and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world, is manifest when He permits His people to fall into the hands of a clergy who are more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and affection of devoted shepherds. They abandon the things of God to devote themselves to the things of the world and, in their saintly calling of holiness, they spend their time in profane and worldly pursuits. When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people and is visiting His most dreadful wrath upon them.” ——Saint John Eudes
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The Pope. We talk.  Pour the coffee.  Miz Ann is here.

Andrea Shea King Speaks with Ann Barnhardt 19 JUNE 2015

Miss Ann NEVER holds back.



Link Posted: 6/20/2015 2:35:30 PM EDT
[#9]
I am so confused with this Pope..... I've been fighting to defend him but it is harder & harder to do. I believe that the Holy Spirit picked this Pope for a reason. Like all Popes in the past. I know that he is also human. Being Human, he is also subject to human influence around him.

I can only hope & pray for something to come out more clearly. Confusion is the Devils work. We must all pray for our Church & for the Pope.

I don't need the Pope to be a genius. If in fact he is just simple & humble, like he portrays. Then that in itself is a beautiful thing. I don't think he is stupid though. Maybe misguided.

Time will tell.
Link Posted: 6/20/2015 3:07:43 PM EDT
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"I am so confused with this Pope..... I've been fighting to defend him but it is harder & harder to do. I believe that the Holy Spirit picked this Pope for a reason."

The Holy Spirit doesn't pick the pope......men do (cardinals....like Timothy Dolan  ).  That's why you are "confused". Once you accept that we have a bad pope (we get them from time to time), life makes more sense. Not every utterance from a pope is infallible - and it is wrong to consider them as such.
Link Posted: 6/20/2015 3:56:09 PM EDT
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"I am so confused with this Pope..... I've been fighting to defend him but it is harder & harder to do. I believe that the Holy Spirit picked this Pope for a reason."

The Holy Spirit doesn't pick the pope......men do (cardinals....like Timothy Dolan  ).  That's why you are "confused". Once you accept that we have a bad pope (we get them from time to time), life makes more sense. Not every utterance from a pope is infallible - and it is wrong to consider them as such.
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Thank you. I realize that "every utterance" is not infallible. Yes, men do pick the Pope. But they are inspired by the Holy Spirit.

I'm confused by the Pope, because he says some things that I do not believe. He has,  occasionally, tried to clarify but still falls short. We have had "bad popes" but the Church has still thrived. So the Pope doesn't have me worried about that. I would just like a strong leader again. Like JPII.
Link Posted: 6/21/2015 11:17:16 PM EDT
[#12]
Really good summary at Ace of Spades

The Pope's Encyclical on AGW; A Different Perspective [Sean Bannion]
—Open Blogger  http://ace.mu.nu/

"While all the attention this encyclical gets will be focused politics and the environment, Laudato Si really addresses the relationship of humans to nature, to each other and to God. It discusses the connection between sin and the ruin of the environment, it condemns the overconsumption of natural resources (I said "overconsumption," not consumption"), and -- and here's the really Catholic part of it -- shows a similar disregard for those who would ruin God's creation through abortion and population control.

When you take a step back from the bad science and the left's "OMG the Pope is just like meeeeee eleventy!11!!1!!" response to it, Laudato Si is ultimately about respect for all of God's creation -- and not just the parts the left cares about. It is ultimately about the unique dignity of the human person and the relationship of the human person to God. "

Leftists are not brilliant (as a rule). So they get excited about the Pope and read things into what he says that simply aren't there....but unfortunately some conservatives have fallen for the leftist agit-prop about how super-smart liberal progressives are, so they naively assume that every time a liberal is happy it must be bad news.

But that's not the case always. Sometimes liberals are excited for no good reason (being superficial simpletons). Sometimes their crowing about 'victory' is actually the prelude to a long defeat.
Link Posted: 6/25/2015 10:11:45 PM EDT
[#13]
Catholic, Ann Barnhardt, speaks on the encyclical:

LAUDATO, Oh, Hell No!

Link Posted: 6/26/2015 8:20:13 AM EDT
[#14]
Is that drawing of Ann from the Southern Poverty Law Center hit list on conservative women? Why use it?
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 12:38:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Oh for pete's sake, the remnant author is a blithering idiot.

If we are to condemn the Pope for only using naturalistic arguments in some paragraphs (IN A LETTER WRITTEN TO ALL THE WORLD), then what to make of Our Lord's use of metaphysics ALONE when speaking to the Greeks ("unless a seed falls to the ground and dies, it remains just a grain of wheat") or logic when speaking to Romans ("I am a king but my kingdom is not of this world....") or of invoking only the Torah when speaking with Saduccees who didn't believe any other books were authoritative ("the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, for the Lord is the lord of the living, not the dead for all are alive with Him") and then quoted only the prophets when speaking with Pharisees.....

To argue with someone you must first establish what their criteria of credibility is or there can be no conversation.

Thus to argue with atheists you can't invoke one's own 'revealed' scripture as they don't accept it as such. You can invoke human reason - which makes one's faith claims at least not irrational and thus plant a seed of possibility in their minds.

The Lord told his 72 to go out and a) heal the sick, b) cast out demons and c) preach the Gospel. Unless you take care of someone's immediate needs they are not going to be disposed to listen to any revelation. So too when speaking to the world's leaders, if the Pope only invoked Catholic fonts of authority he would be talking past them. So he invokes a crisis they believe exist and invoked reasons they claim to hold to as well ('sustainability', care for a pristine environment, care for endangered critters....") and ties it back to how they behave with people.

If you love the physical order how can you not love the moral order? If you care about a pristine environment and accept that humanity is part of it, how can you simultaneously be for pumping human bodies full of artificial chemicals and pollutants as though that's OK? If your political ambition is such that you acknowledge that care must be taken of the environment and its not infinitely flexible....how can you treat people as though they are infinitely flexible?

Those who demand the Pope quote the bible and Catholic sources to backstop every assertion don't even practice what they preach.

Now, I agree that modern encyclicals are needlessly long and open the door for much mischief. But that doesn't mean everything is wrong.
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 2:26:48 PM EDT
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Yes--another GREAT POINT.

P.S.
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Ignore the rise of Muslim extremism and the murder of Christians, but come out strong on the dangers of global warming. Got it.


Yes--another GREAT POINT.

P.S.
How about some plain-talk opposition from the Catholic, Ann Barnhardt, who always takes aim and dismisses Pope Francis altogether:

And, if this culture of stupidity persists, then mark my words: they will elect a black African next time for no other reason than “affirmative action”.





Well, to be fair, I'll take Cardinal Sarah as Pope any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 4:31:16 PM EDT
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I think I finally feel what my parents felt in the 1960's when they changed the mass. There is a desire to live in obedience but at the same time you have to wonder if this is what God really wants. What do you believe?





The encyclical is long but basically this is not new to the church. We are told to be good stewards in our faith and to the world. But I think the Pope missed it by putting too much focus on Global warming.


People have honed in on that particular point and politicized it donee ad ignoti.   We are to care for the earth and all its creatures and in a manner that allows the earth to thrive.





This Pope is a Chemist and a scientist. He also took the name of Francis. St. Francis... can we expect anything else from him?





I am not a proponent of global warming. But I think we have to be careful about allowing a world and the media to be our teachers. If ever something was dominated by evil it certainly is the lies and spin placed on everything by the media.





More over given the decisions made these last two days I think we have bigger things to worry about.


We definitely need to entrust all this to prayer and not implode on each other.
 
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 4:05:34 PM EDT
[#19]
Your argument is laughable. Even if one gives credence to  this Pollyanna  view for the sake of argument, this approach will gain zero traction in the real world..."So he invokes a crisis they believe exist and invoked reasons they claim to hold to as well ('sustainability', care for a pristine environment, care for endangered critters....") and ties it back to how they behave with people."  

They are already using Laudato Si as a hammer to advance climate (read population) control measures and ignoring whatever little Catholicity is in it, particularly with regard to the protection of unborn life. Just look at who the pope surrounded himself with when writing this encyclical....oh wait, that must be part of his grand scheme to pull them in and then wow them with his Catholic jui-jitsu.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 2:29:34 PM EDT
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and now a few words from a Catholic friend, Charlie Johnston, who compares Francis' Encyclical to some of his own Papa's eccentricities but also strengths:

Upon my first look at Pope Francis’ Encyclical on the Environment, I was dismayed. Sure enough, it had all the usual leftist nostrums and buzzwords on climate change, sustainability, global action, evolutionary biology and such. It offered all the very approaches that historically (and particularly in the last hundred years) have centralized power in a small elite who enrich their cronies, impoverish little folks, and use that power to wage war on people of faith. It touted these tired nostrums as if they were fresh, new ideas that will solve the problem instead of the tried and true formula for misery, impoverishment and environmental degradation.

On second look, I noted that – unlike the loud functionaries at the Vatican these last few weeks – the Pope noted with humility that he lacked final authority on matters of science and public policy – that debate must be open and robust. It certainly nagged at me that those Vatican functionaries who have been behaving as thuggish enforcers in a protection racket answer to him – and that if the Pope truly means that debate on those issues should be open and robust, he probably ought to tell his functionaries to give a more nuanced contribution to that debate than contemptuously sneering at those who disagree with them to shut up. It might have been nice to invite a scientist who had a different view to participate instead of shutting them all out if you wanted an actual discussion rather than a pre-ordained conclusion. The behavior of Vatican officials in this matter has been scandalous.

On the third look, I noted that on the matters on which he has actual authority, the Pope was dead on. He spoke powerfully on the sanctity of life and the necessity to preserve the human ecology. I was consoled that on matters clearly within the purview of his authority, he was in unbroken solidarity with the teaching of all his predecessors – and even expressed that teaching in some intriguing new ways.

On fourth look, I realized that events of the next few years will resolve the scientific and policy matters. Whether the Pope is right or people like me are right on those matters he touched on that are not directly within the scope of his authority, we shall see soon enough and, in either case, the urgency of it will dissipate.

The needful province of the clergy is to speak on First Things and Last Things; the meaning of life and what our proper ends should be. It is the responsibility of the laity to fashion proper means to seek those ends. Since Church officials are actually men, they have opinions on these transitional means; opinions which, like the rest of us, are political and ideological in nature – and are either well-formed or poorly formed. But those opinions are not necessary to their duty. If well-formed, they may enhance the credibility of the faith to non-believers and those on the margin. If ill-informed, they can bring the shadow of disrepute upon the faith among non-believers and the ill-informed, and even dishearten many of the faithful. But they are ancillary to the hierarchy’s mission.

Francis is not the first Pope to mix mere political opinions into Encyclicals that speak authoritatively on First and Last things. He is not even the fifth or the tenth. The most famous modern example was Pope Leo XIII’s discussion of the proper interplay of labor and capital in modern economies, Rerum Novarum, issued in 1891. It was the first major attempt to deal with the change in circumstances from feudal agrarianism to industrial capitalism. Some of the political ideas necessary for a proper exploration of the subject turned out, over time, to be a bit clunky and poorly focused. One hundred years later, Pope John Paul II refined the political though when he issued Centesimus Annus. St. John Paul made clear he was building on the spiritual thought and authority of his predecessor, while modifying the merely political elements that had not stood up. I’m not sure it ever even occurred to St. John Paul to note that the political elements were transient, while those that spoke to First and Last Things are ever eternal. In fact, that is largely what Encyclicals and Magisterial teaching are for – to sharpen the clarity of our view of those things and fit them properly to the times. It is often necessary to reference political currents of the time to do so effectively, but the political currents, whether well or poorly cited, do not enhance or detract from the eternal truths incorporated in the documents. Like waves on a windy day, political opinions rise or fall in a frothy, curling churn and then are gone…usually forgotten in the mists of time. The articles of faith defined in Encyclicals, however, are the lifeblood of the Church, pulsing with the ever-present rhythm and unchanging power of the tides.

...Yes, Pope Francis makes what I think are clunky and ill-considered political, economic and scientific assertions, but on First and Last Things, he is completely in lockstep with two millennia of consistent Christian witness. He speaks of a “human ecology;” that the words family, marriage, and gender have specific, fixed meanings. They are not waxen concepts to be molded into whatever one wishes them to mean. While progressives are busy saying “black lives matter” (or whatever group is most useful to them for the moment), the Pope says, “Life Matters,” and that the taking of innocent life is always grave. It is something the progressives dare not say, lest it threaten their “right” to casually execute unborn infants.
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A Family of Faith

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I put up the image of Catholic Ann Barnhardt, as apparently drawn by the minions at the SPLC, in HER own words:

Why is Ann’s brow furrowed and her lips pursed? Because the musloid political system STILL hasn’t been exterminated from the face of the earth, and my incandescent hatred of the satanic musloid political system makes my face scrunch up like that.  But the artist has captured the essence of my pompadour brilliantly, I think.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 7:58:14 PM EDT
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OK....LOL.   I just can't stand the SPLC.
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