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Posted: 1/21/2015 10:46:57 PM EDT
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We aren't safe because of the genocide of babies and our government and people are corrupt. They call the US the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah,
Funny I was talking with a friend about the studies of the most religious cities in the US. She is a good Southern Baptist. We looked and at the same time... said ... we remember when the entire country was religious The blue is where freedom of religion is most prevalent. The red are the least religious.  |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:25:23 PM EDT
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Thank you, Angelfire.
I realize we are a falling nation. But my question is, why does everything hinge on Russia? I don't know if I missed something in history. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:29:30 PM EDT
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Skid.. here is the history of these events. Before Sr. Lucia's death she sent a message to Pope John Paul II that the dedication had failed because of the lack of participation from the people of Russia. Russia for year prevented
Letter of Sr. Lucia to Pope Pius XII requesting the Consecration of the World and Russia to the Immaculate Heart Most Holy Father, Humbly prostrated at your feet, I come as the last sheep of the fold entrusted to you to open my heart, by order of my spiritual director. I am the only survivor of the children to whom our Lady appeared in Fátima (Portugal) from the 13th of May to the 13th of October 1917. The Blessed Virgin has granted me many graces, the greatest of all being my admission to the Institute of Saint Dorothy. (To here this is copy of the sketch the Bishop sent me.) I come, Most Holy Father, to renew a request that has already been brought to you several times. The request, Most Holy Father, is from our Lord and our good Mother in Heaven. In 1917, in the portion of the apparitions that we have designated "the secret," the Blessed Virgin revealed the end of the war that was then afflicting Europe, and predicted another forthcoming, saying that to prevent it She would come and ask the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart as well as the Communion of reparation on the first Saturday. She promised peace and the conversion of that nation if Her request was attended to. She announced that otherwise this nation would spread her errors throughout the world, and there would be wars, persecutions of the Holy Church, martyrdom of many Christians, several persecutions and sufferings reserved for Your Holiness, and the annihilation of several nations. Most Holy Father, this remained a secret until 1926 according to the express will of our Lady. Then, in a revelation She asked that the Communion of reparation on the first Saturdays of five consecutive months be propagated throughout the world, with its conditions of doing the following with the same purpose; going to confession, meditating for a quarter of an hour on the mysteries of the Rosary and saying the Rosary with the aim of making reparation for the insults, sacrileges and indifferences committed against Her Immaculate Heart. Our good Heavenly Mother promises to assist the persons who practise this devotion, in the hour of their death, with all the necessary graces for their salvation. I exposed the request of our Lady to my confessor, who tried to have it fulfilled, but only on the 13th of September 1939 did His Excellency the Bishop of Leiria make public in Fatima this request of our Lady. I take this opportunity, Most Holy Father, to ask you to bless and extend this devotion to the whole world. In 1929, through another apparition, our Lady asked for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart, promising its conversion through this means and the hindering of the propagation of its errors. Sometime afterwards I told my confessor of the request of our Lady. He tried to fulfill it by making it known to Pius XI. In several intimate communications our Lord has not stopped insisting on this request, promising lately, to shorten the days of tribulation which He has determined to punish the nations for their crimes, through war, famine and several persecutions of the Holy Church and Your Holiness, if you will consecrate the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, with a special mention for Russia, and order that all the Bishops of the world do the same in union with Your Holiness. I truly feel your sufferings, Most Holy Father! And, at much as I can through my humble prayers and sacrifices, I try to lessen them, close to our Lord and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Most Holy Father, if in the union of my soul with God I have not been deceived, our Lord promises a special protection to our country in this war, due to the consecration of the nation by the Portuguese Prelates, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary; as proof of the graces that would have been granted to other nations, had they also consecrated themselves to Her. Now, Most Holy Father, allow me to make one more request, which is but an ardent wish of my humble heart; that the feast in honour of the Immaculate Heart of Mary be extended throughout the whole world as one of the main feasts of the Holy Church. With the deepest respect and reverence I ask for the Apostolic Blessing. May God protect Your Holiness. Tuy, Spain, 2nd of December of 1940. Maria Lucia de Jesus From Novos Documentos de Fátima, Fr. Anthony Mario Martins, SJ (Oporto: Pope John Paul did dedicate the world. The Russian people have to be active participants not just the Orthodox Church. Religion is very restricted in Russia. Putin is especially intent on liquidating religious freedom. Churches are not allowed to do anything but hold worship. Not religious education or printed material whatsoever. Many people have fallen completely away from the church due to the oppression. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 1:03:23 PM EDT
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Why Russia? Remember the times. Back in 1917 when Mary was appearing to the children at Fatima, the Bolsheviks were about to hijack the Russian Revolution and turn Russia to Communism (Red October).
This revolution would be the catalyst that would turn many nations to embrace Marxism, atheism, oppression, state sponsored slavery, causing the death of millions, and the mass persecution of Christianity. By the time the Pope got around to the consecration, much of the world was enveloped in this "error" and millions affected. Of the most serious problems was the lack of access to worship, causing the falling away of millions from Christianity. So by the time they got round to the consecration, with so much of the world affected, publicly announcing Conscration to the World was not at all illogical nor inapropriate in my view. Interesting that the timeline mentions one of the many notorious accidents at Russian facilities. At Severomorsk in May 1984 1/3 of SAMs were destroyed along with other munitions, and facilities, and approx. 200-300 people. The nuclear missiles were not destroyed from what I know. Russian's were never known for cutting edge safety practices, so to me this was not necesarily divine intervention (or divine lack of intervention). However the timing is interesting, and I for one will not doubt the possibility of divine intervention, that's for sure. Marshal Ustinov died in December 1984, but he was 76 and had been ill for 2 months. He was a significant figure in the Russian military heirarchy for sure. Did God take him out as part of the Fatima message? Who knows, his number was up that we do know. What I believe - Pope John Paul II was destined to die by that assassin's bullet on May 13, 1981, and because Mary intervened on behalf of her poor people and this great leader, God allowed him to live. Date of May 13th NOT a coincidence, coinciding with the Fatima anniversary. Mary is an instrument of mercy and Jesus listens to her, just like He did when they were on earth. Pope John Paul II (The Great) then went on to play a major role (along with Ronaldus Magnus) in the downfall of the iron curtain and the Warsaw Pact. Putin is now rolling back things, largely because of weak and decadent western appeasement (just like in 1930's) Preview of coming attractions and much cause for hope. Fatima was Mohammed's number one daughter. Mary did not pick "Fatima" as a place to appear by accident. My personal opinion - God does not suffer fools nor radical islamists lightly. Stay tuned. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 2:55:24 PM EDT
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Thank you.
"What I believe - Pope John Paul II was destined to die by that assassin's bullet on May 13, 1981, and because Mary intervened on behalf of her poor people and this great leader, God allowed him to live. Date of May 13th NOT a coincidence, coinciding with the Fatima anniversary. Mary is an instrument of mercy and Jesus listens to her, just like He did when they were on earth. Pope John Paul II (The Great) then went on to play a major role (along with Ronaldus Magnus) in the downfall of the iron curtain and the Warsaw Pact. Putin is now rolling back things, largely because of weak and decadent western appeasement (just like in 1930's) Preview of coming attractions and much cause for hope. Fatima was Mohammed's number one daughter. Mary did not pick "Fatima" as a place to appear by accident. My personal opinion - God does not suffer fools nor radical islamists lightly. Stay tuned." I completely agree with this. Thank you. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:18:35 PM EDT
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In the years 1928 to 1941 the communists in Russia killed more than 90% of the clergy in the Russian. Orthodox Church. In 1937 85,000 priests were killed in that year alone.
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Posted: 1/29/2015 8:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the years 1928 to 1941 the communists in Russia killed more than 90% of the clergy in the Russian. Orthodox Church. In 1937 85,000 priests were killed in that year alone. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:10:28 AM EDT
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Religious persecution of Christians is epidemic and flourishing under the "leadership" of Obama and the spineless, greedy appeasers in Eurotrashia. Anti-semitism is on the rise.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:55:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Religious persecution of Christians is epidemic and flourishing under the "leadership" of Obama and the spineless, greedy appeasers in Eurotrashia. Anti-semitism is on the rise. We are in deep trouble. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:01:01 AM EDT
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 8:52:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. You have to have state permission to practice your religion and people die and go to jail for it. You are not allow to have or distribute religion writing such as the bible in Russia or you will go to jail or be put to death. You are not allowed to pray in your own home or anywhere outside of the church walls. If you practice your faith in your home the entire building can be confiscated. Religious practice is granted by the government and ONLY. So you can attend Orthodox mass on Sunday but you can't leave the church with it and they are not allowed to teach their children about Christ out side the mass. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 10:52:10 AM EDT
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I'd be much more interested to learn what She thinks of Islamic extremism...
Unless, of course, the real threat is still Russia, in which case, God help us... |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:46:03 AM EDT
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The Orthodox church and other religions are limited to Services only. They are not allowed to to publicly teach pray or practice their religion in anyway. Orthodox has not always been allowed to practice as well. They had to go underground. This is punishable by torture, the loss of property, and even death for repeat offenders. You have to have state permission to practice your religion and people die and go to jail for it. You are not allow to have or distribute religion writing such as the bible in Russia or you will go to jail or be put to death. You are not allowed to pray in your own home or anywhere outside of the church walls. If you practice your faith in your home the entire building can be confiscated. Religious practice is granted by the government and ONLY. So you can attend Orthodox mass on Sunday but you can't leave the church with it and they are not allowed to teach their children about Christ out side the mass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. You have to have state permission to practice your religion and people die and go to jail for it. You are not allow to have or distribute religion writing such as the bible in Russia or you will go to jail or be put to death. You are not allowed to pray in your own home or anywhere outside of the church walls. If you practice your faith in your home the entire building can be confiscated. Religious practice is granted by the government and ONLY. So you can attend Orthodox mass on Sunday but you can't leave the church with it and they are not allowed to teach their children about Christ out side the mass. I am not sure where you are getting your information. I may not be understanding you, properly though. I believe you are talking about right now and if so, I have a hard time believing your information. 1. Putin's wife is a devout Orthodox Christian. She is a member of the Church and is even outspoken on Christianity. 2. Putin and the Patriarch are in total conversation and Putin attends certain services. I'm not saying Putin is Orthodox, but he clearly shows his tolerance for Christianity. 3. The Patriarch writes open letters to the other Churches and even President Obama, I've seen them. 4. I know several Russian Priests and they say what you are saying just is not true. 5. The State officially recognizes Orthodoxy as the State Religion. Not much of a secret thing if the State endorses it. "In 1988, the Russian Orthodox Church celebrated the Millennium of the Baptism of Russia. In that jubilee year, she had 67 dioceses, 21 monasteries, 6893 parishes, 2 theological academies and 3 theological seminaries." This is a quote from an Orthodox site. Here is the link: http://www.stnicholasberks.org/churchtoday.html Here is another link which is from an actual Russian Orthodox site. I want you to pay particular attention to the fact there is a church, which the Patriarch is standing in, conducting the service (top pic) and mostly I want you to look at the 3rd pic, which is of Putin, attending the same service. We know that he was not killed or tortured for the repeat offense of attending Christian Services. http://rt.com/news/220363-orthodox-church-peace-ukraine/ I may have come off strong, but I would like others to know that I believe your information is incorrect. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 2:45:37 PM EDT
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The Orthodox church and other religions are limited to Services only. They are not allowed to to publicly teach pray or practice their religion in anyway. Orthodox has not always been allowed to practice as well. They had to go underground. This is punishable by torture, the loss of property, and even death for repeat offenders. You have to have state permission to practice your religion and people die and go to jail for it. You are not allow to have or distribute religion writing such as the bible in Russia or you will go to jail or be put to death. You are not allowed to pray in your own home or anywhere outside of the church walls. If you practice your faith in your home the entire building can be confiscated. Religious practice is granted by the government and ONLY. So you can attend Orthodox mass on Sunday but you can't leave the church with it and they are not allowed to teach their children about Christ out side the mass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. You have to have state permission to practice your religion and people die and go to jail for it. You are not allow to have or distribute religion writing such as the bible in Russia or you will go to jail or be put to death. You are not allowed to pray in your own home or anywhere outside of the church walls. If you practice your faith in your home the entire building can be confiscated. Religious practice is granted by the government and ONLY. So you can attend Orthodox mass on Sunday but you can't leave the church with it and they are not allowed to teach their children about Christ out side the mass. This was true BEFORE the fall of the Soviet Union, but more applicable earlier in Soviet history. And it's not called mass among the Orthodox, it's the Divine Liturgy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:51:17 PM EDT
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. Putin has certainly rebranded himself as a defender of the Russian/Eastern Orhtodox. Tough to believe that he could have come up through the ranks of the KGB as such, but he running with that label today. A cynic would say it's to exploit populism. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 7:53:06 PM EDT
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This was true BEFORE the fall of the Soviet Union, but more applicable earlier in Soviet history. And it's not called mass among the Orthodox, it's the Divine Liturgy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. You have to have state permission to practice your religion and people die and go to jail for it. You are not allow to have or distribute religion writing such as the bible in Russia or you will go to jail or be put to death. You are not allowed to pray in your own home or anywhere outside of the church walls. If you practice your faith in your home the entire building can be confiscated. Religious practice is granted by the government and ONLY. So you can attend Orthodox mass on Sunday but you can't leave the church with it and they are not allowed to teach their children about Christ out side the mass. This was true BEFORE the fall of the Soviet Union, but more applicable earlier in Soviet history. And it's not called mass among the Orthodox, it's the Divine Liturgy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yes, before the fall of the Soviet Union this would have been an issue, I totally agree. I would point out, though, the Orthodox Church survived all this throughout the ages and still exists in Russia, today. And, yes, I stand corrected. The Eastern Orthodox do not refer to Service as Mass, but do refer to it as The Divine Liturgy. In Western Orthodoxy we use either term interchangeably. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 7:56:16 PM EDT
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Putin has certainly rebranded himself as a defender of the Russian/Eastern Orhtodox. Tough to believe that he could have come up through the ranks of the KGB as such, but he running with that label today. A cynic would say it's to exploit populism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. Putin has certainly rebranded himself as a defender of the Russian/Eastern Orhtodox. Tough to believe that he could have come up through the ranks of the KGB as such, but he running with that label today. A cynic would say it's to exploit populism. I agree, this could possibly be the case. Either way, Putin is not persecuting Christians as evident by the open worship of the Orthodox Church. I'm not trying to support Putin, just pointing out Christians are not being persecuted as stated in a previous post. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 8:26:04 PM EDT
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I agree, this could possibly be the case. Either way, Putin is not persecuting Christians as evident by the open worship of the Orthodox Church. I'm not trying to support Putin, just pointing out Christians are not being persecuted as stated in a previous post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. Putin has certainly rebranded himself as a defender of the Russian/Eastern Orhtodox. Tough to believe that he could have come up through the ranks of the KGB as such, but he running with that label today. A cynic would say it's to exploit populism. I agree, this could possibly be the case. Either way, Putin is not persecuting Christians as evident by the open worship of the Orthodox Church. I'm not trying to support Putin, just pointing out Christians are not being persecuted as stated in a previous post. I don't know whether the Orthodox are being persecuted or not. Certainly the people can worship, but I wonder how free the clergy is to crticize Putin's government and its policies. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 8:47:51 PM EDT
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. Putin has certainly rebranded himself as a defender of the Russian/Eastern Orhtodox. Tough to believe that he could have come up through the ranks of the KGB as such, but he running with that label today. A cynic would say it's to exploit populism. I agree, this could possibly be the case. Either way, Putin is not persecuting Christians as evident by the open worship of the Orthodox Church. I'm not trying to support Putin, just pointing out Christians are not being persecuted as stated in a previous post. I don't know whether the Orthodox are being persecuted or not. Certainly the people can worship, but I wonder how free the clergy is to crticize Putin's government and its policies. Okay, I'm saying that, from my sources, the Orthodox are not being persecuted. I did see a report from Roberts - I believe it is TBN - he said Christians were being persecuted by restrictions on what they could do and where they could meet and that they had to register to be in the country. What he failed to bring to light was that the Protestant's were required to register since they are not fully teaching what the State Religion teaches. Roberts complained that Christians were not allowed to speak to school aged children. The fact was that the Orthodox Church is allowed to use public school buildings to have classes for children, but Protestants were not allowed. I simply see this as the fact a State declares it's religion so anything else will be restricted; not persecuted. The fact Russia tolerates these other theologies shows how non-persecuting they are to Christians. I don't know that the clergy would criticize Putin's government and its policies, because Orthodox priests usually do not do that sort of thing in their homilies. At least none of the ones I have witnessed. You have to understand the Divine Liturgy is communion focused. Protestant services are sermon focused. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 9:28:01 PM EDT
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Okay, I'm saying that, from my sources, the Orthodox are not being persecuted. I did see a report from Roberts - I believe it is TBN - he said Christians were being persecuted by restrictions on what they could do and where they could meet and that they had to register to be in the country. What he failed to bring to light was that the Protestant's were required to register since they are not fully teaching what the State Religion teaches. Roberts complained that Christians were not allowed to speak to school aged children. The fact was that the Orthodox Church is allowed to use public school buildings to have classes for children, but Protestants were not allowed. I simply see this as the fact a State declares it's religion so anything else will be restricted; not persecuted. The fact Russia tolerates these other theologies shows how non-persecuting they are to Christians. I don't know that the clergy would criticize Putin's government and its policies, because Orthodox priests usually do not do that sort of thing in their homilies. At least none of the ones I have witnessed. You have to understand the Divine Liturgy is communion focused. Protestant services are sermon focused. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. Putin has certainly rebranded himself as a defender of the Russian/Eastern Orhtodox. Tough to believe that he could have come up through the ranks of the KGB as such, but he running with that label today. A cynic would say it's to exploit populism. I agree, this could possibly be the case. Either way, Putin is not persecuting Christians as evident by the open worship of the Orthodox Church. I'm not trying to support Putin, just pointing out Christians are not being persecuted as stated in a previous post. I don't know whether the Orthodox are being persecuted or not. Certainly the people can worship, but I wonder how free the clergy is to crticize Putin's government and its policies. Okay, I'm saying that, from my sources, the Orthodox are not being persecuted. I did see a report from Roberts - I believe it is TBN - he said Christians were being persecuted by restrictions on what they could do and where they could meet and that they had to register to be in the country. What he failed to bring to light was that the Protestant's were required to register since they are not fully teaching what the State Religion teaches. Roberts complained that Christians were not allowed to speak to school aged children. The fact was that the Orthodox Church is allowed to use public school buildings to have classes for children, but Protestants were not allowed. I simply see this as the fact a State declares it's religion so anything else will be restricted; not persecuted. The fact Russia tolerates these other theologies shows how non-persecuting they are to Christians. I don't know that the clergy would criticize Putin's government and its policies, because Orthodox priests usually do not do that sort of thing in their homilies. At least none of the ones I have witnessed. You have to understand the Divine Liturgy is communion focused. Protestant services are sermon focused. I'm not Protestant. I'm Roman Catholic. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:34:34 PM EDT
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My apologies if you believed I inferred that you are Protestant.
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:18:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was true BEFORE the fall of the Soviet Union, but more applicable earlier in Soviet history. And it's not called mass among the Orthodox, it's the Divine Liturgy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. You have to have state permission to practice your religion and people die and go to jail for it. You are not allow to have or distribute religion writing such as the bible in Russia or you will go to jail or be put to death. You are not allowed to pray in your own home or anywhere outside of the church walls. If you practice your faith in your home the entire building can be confiscated. Religious practice is granted by the government and ONLY. So you can attend Orthodox mass on Sunday but you can't leave the church with it and they are not allowed to teach their children about Christ out side the mass. This was true BEFORE the fall of the Soviet Union, but more applicable earlier in Soviet history. And it's not called mass among the Orthodox, it's the Divine Liturgy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I work with two Russian Orthodox members. Both have families that are practicing in Russia. Both said the same thing. They are very restricted even now. The ability to practice their religion is limited. I can't imagine either would make that up. There are underground sites that report those arrested and jailed for passing out bibles etc. Putin only recreated himself in the media. He is evil. On the outside he's candy coated but his KGB roots run deep. People fear crossing him and he is in bed with Korea Syria and Iran. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:43:38 PM EDT
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I'm Orthodox myself. Even though my parish is a somewhat Americanized Russian parish with All English services, we still get tons of local Slavs, including many Russians. I've asked them if their practicing Orthodox relatives back in Russia are being restricted in the practice of their faith. They said absolutely not.
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Posted: 3/5/2015 9:30:33 PM EDT
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I'm Orthodox myself. Even though my parish is a somewhat Americanized Russian parish with All English services, we still get tons of local Slavs, including many Russians. I've asked them if their practicing Orthodox relatives back in Russia are being restricted in the practice of their faith. They said absolutely not. Other Christian bodies may have restrictions on them, but not the Orthodox. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This is what I'm saying. The Priest and Monk I know have verified there are no restrictions on the Orthodox. Like I said previously, other religions and even Christian sects may have restrictions, but what do you expect when the state religion is Orthodoxy, then why would they allow others to come in and practice freely. Russia is NOT America, they can do how they see fit. This reminds me of articles I read after the wall came down. All the Protestants were talking about going to Russia to evangelize the heathen behind the wall. I guess they didn't realize that St Andrew had already declared the land and Orthodoxy had survived all those centuries behind the wall. Thanks for your info Marie |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 10:58:50 PM EDT
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Why do you say Putin is persecuting the Christians? The state religion of Russia is Orthodoxy. The Orthodox established this land centuries ago and the Orthodox faith continued to exist during all the turmoils of Russian politics and still exists today. The communists and Marxists tried to stamp out Christianity, but the Orthodox Church as never died in Russia. Putin has certainly rebranded himself as a defender of the Russian/Eastern Orhtodox. Tough to believe that he could have come up through the ranks of the KGB as such, but he running with that label today. A cynic would say it's to exploit populism. I agree, this could possibly be the case. Either way, Putin is not persecuting Christians as evident by the open worship of the Orthodox Church. I'm not trying to support Putin, just pointing out Christians are not being persecuted as stated in a previous post. I don't know whether the Orthodox are being persecuted or not. Certainly the people can worship, but I wonder how free the clergy is to crticize Putin's government and its policies. Another thing to remember is that the communists are still there in Russia waiting to regain power. Many(especially the Orthodox) see Putin as the better and maybe only alternative to the communists. That will probably make opposing Putin much less attractive too. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:05:02 PM EDT
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I guess that is what gets me. I don't think they are still recovering. They survived!!
As far as the right to speak out, they don't live in America. I think we Americans tend to forget that other countries just don't have the same rights and that's just how it is. |
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