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Posted: 5/17/2017 12:13:18 AM EDT
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I've known people to go years with the noise and not have any other issues but there have been other cases where the phaser completely fails and causes further valve train damage. I'd say $1800 is a good average cost for the job, unfortunately. I guess if it were me and I had the money, I'd get them replaced. If not, start saving and hope they don't fail completely. DIY if you feel comfortable with it. Once you get them fixed, I'd try to sell the truck;)
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Posted: 5/17/2017 12:27:07 AM EDT
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What are the pitfalls of delaying the repair? Cam chain jumps on the sprocket causing it to go out of time, running the valves in to the pistons. Or it tears a chunk out of the valve cover and it spews oil on to a hot exhaust manifold. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 12:37:00 AM EDT
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People drive 100,000 miles with cam phaser noise.
Mine does it. Sounds like a diesel at a drive through. The kit to replace it all right is about $1100 (full re-time job plus oil pump). $700 to $900 labor. I am either going to do it myself one day, or just live with it on my engine with 150k, and put that $2000 toward a replacement engine if it ever comes to that. You never know. I could total it tomorrow. So I will likely keep kicking this can down the curb. If my engine only had 75k on it.... and I didnt drive it much, and I planned on keeping it forever, then I'd be inclined to do the full re-time job. Want to know about Fords and the whole timing issues? This is the guy. I wish his shop was closer. https://www.youtube.com/user/FordTechMakuloco/videos  Ford Quick Tips #74: 5.4L 3v Phaser Oscillation and Knocking Noise Explained |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 12:50:24 AM EDT
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I've known people to go years with the noise and not have any other issues but there have been other cases where the phaser completely fails and causes further valve train damage. I'd say $1800 is a good average cost for the job, unfortunately. I guess if it were me and I had the money, I'd get them replaced. If not, start saving and hope they don't fail completely. DIY if you feel comfortable with it. Once you get them fixed, I'd try to sell the truck;) Second Ford F150 and never again. Two Chevy's, one S-10 and it sucked, one 2500 that I ran that into the ground. So I figured I might try Dodge. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 12:52:36 AM EDT
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Cam chain jumps on the sprocket causing it to go out of time, running the valves in to the pistons. Or it tears a chunk out of the valve cover and it spews oil on to a hot exhaust manifold. 
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Posted: 5/17/2017 12:53:12 PM EDT
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don't take it to ford...they will say something to the tune of...
your engine has no oil pressure at idle, it sounds like a diesel,you need a new engine... 
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Posted: 5/17/2017 3:40:24 PM EDT
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don't take it to ford...they will say something to the tune of... your engine has no oil pressure at idle, it sounds like a diesel,you need a new engine... |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 3:41:28 PM EDT
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don't take it to ford...they will say something to the tune of... your engine has no oil pressure at idle, it sounds like a diesel,you need a new engine... |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 3:47:14 PM EDT
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People drive 100,000 miles with cam phaser noise. Mine does it. Sounds like a diesel at a drive through. The kit to replace it all right is about $1100 (full re-time job plus oil pump). $700 to $900 labor. I am either going to do it myself one day, or just live with it on my engine with 150k, and put that $2000 toward a replacement engine if it ever comes to that. You never know. I could total it tomorrow. So I will likely keep kicking this can down the curb. If my engine only had 75k on it.... and I didnt drive it much, and I planned on keeping it forever, then I'd be inclined to do the full re-time job. Want to know about Fords and the whole timing issues? This is the guy. I wish his shop was closer. https://www.youtube.com/user/FordTechMakuloco/videos  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvXoQ03shC8Fuck the Gov't and Fuck FORD for not fessing up and taking responsibility! |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:23:33 PM EDT
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don't take it to ford...they will say something to the tune of... your engine has no oil pressure at idle, it sounds like a diesel,you need a new engine... Quote HistoryQuoted:
don't take it to ford...they will say something to the tune of... your engine has no oil pressure at idle, it sounds like a diesel,you need a new engine... Special Service Message
21574 4.6L 3V/5.4L 3V Engine Tick/Rattle from VCT 800-1200 RPM DO NOT ATTEMPT SERVICE 2009-2010 F150 with 4.6L 3V, 2005-2010 F150 with 5.4L 3V.... Some customers may be concerned with tick/rattle noises from the VCT on light tip-in accel, between 800-1200 RPM. This condition may be most noticeable operating vehicle in confined areas such as drive-thru. The noise is eliminated when VCT solenoids are unplugged. This condition should be considered normal characteristics of the engine. Do not attempt engine repairs to change this normal condition. This condition does not affect performance or durability of the engine. Effective Date: 11/10/2010 If you install the updated Phasers, new tensioners, chain, guides, oil pump, and then switch to 5W30, it will probably last 200,000 miles before knocking again. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 8:52:41 PM EDT
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Some have replaced the phaser solenoid that the last talks about unplugging. The solenoids have a updated design. Some have reported blocked screens when replacing them.
The early years come right out the valve cover while the later years require you to remove the valve cover So unless you have chain noise try the solenoids first USE MOTORCRAFT PARTS ONLY for the solenoids and phasers |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 11:56:22 PM EDT
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i would want to see base oil pressure HOT, before committing to that big of a repair. often times motor job is not far behind.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:24:57 AM EDT
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i would want to see base oil pressure HOT, before committing to that big of a repair. often times motor job is not far behind. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:38:17 AM EDT
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Not as much on the the 5.4's. This is a common failure item even with low miles because of poor designs in the tensioner and phaser, and the choice of using 5w20 as the spec. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:25:11 PM EDT
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Sounds more like a bad coil or several to me.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 2:20:28 AM EDT
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If it's the phasers I'd look into the Livernois cam phaser lockout kit. I did my phasers in a 5.4 and the noise was coming back after a couple of months. If I'd have known about the lockout kit I'd have probably kept that vehicle.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 8:22:29 PM EDT
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If it's the phasers I'd look into the Livernois cam phaser lockout kit. I did my phasers in a 5.4 and the noise was coming back after a couple of months. If I'd have known about the lockout kit I'd have probably kept that vehicle. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 8:45:13 PM EDT
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What are the disadvantages of the lockout kit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it's the phasers I'd look into the Livernois cam phaser lockout kit. I did my phasers in a 5.4 and the noise was coming back after a couple of months. If I'd have known about the lockout kit I'd have probably kept that vehicle. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:37:57 AM EDT
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I plan on keeping it awhile so I guess I will bite the bullet and do the phasers and spark plugs at the same time.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:55:52 AM EDT
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Any idea what the real time involved is and an approx dollar figure from an independent. It's a simple DIY Cam Phaser DIY |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:17:40 PM EDT
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What are the disadvantages of the lockout kit? The major disadvantage of the lockout or phaser limiter is that it will require a tune. That will cost you more than the lockout kit itself. For what it's worth, I did the lockout on my mustang 40k miles ago when I did cams and have never had any problems out of my top end. Still runs like new (albiet louder and choppier). ETA: swapping phasers isn't hard though. You just need a solid method of locking the chain in place (like a timing chain wedge). You'll need an in.lb. torque wrench too. Just pop off the valve cover, lock timing chain, loosen phaster bolt, unbolt cam caps, swap phasers. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 7:50:06 PM EDT
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The phaser lockout is literally just a machined "cube" of aluminum that blocks the phaser from making any sort of adjustment. The major disadvantage of the lockout or phaser limiter is that it will require a tune. That will cost you more than the lockout kit itself. For what it's worth, I did the lockout on my mustang 40k miles ago when I did cams and have never had any problems out of my top end. Still runs like new (albiet louder and choppier). ETA: swapping phasers isn't hard though. You just need a solid method of locking the chain in place (like a timing chain wedge). You'll need an in.lb. torque wrench too. Just pop off the valve cover, lock timing chain, loosen phaster bolt, unbolt cam caps, swap phasers. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 7:54:28 PM EDT
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I want a 05-09 king ranch crew so fricken bad but these exact issues scare the crap out of me!!
Every truck I find has atleast 100k on it. Ford experts - should be scared away? I haven't owned a ford since the 2004 model been Chevy ever since. I would like to get back into a Ford but their power trains scare the shit out of me! |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:20:18 PM EDT
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it can happen again just so you know
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:21:06 PM EDT
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I want a 05-09 king ranch crew so fricken bad but these exact issues scare the crap out of me!! Every truck I find has atleast 100k on it. Ford experts - should be scared away? I haven't owned a ford since the 2004 model been Chevy ever since. I would like to get back into a Ford but their power trains scare the shit out of me! |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:35:46 PM EDT
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If I was doing the phasers I would never do hold chain in place and swap out just the phaser.
The main cause is low oil pressure/ flow to the phaser. This is most likely cause by blown out chain adjusters gaskets. The right way to do is a complete tear down of the front end to replace everything as mentioned by others. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 6:12:10 AM EDT
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There's also a screen under an Allen plug in the vct block that needs to be removed and cleaned. Be careful not to break it....ford does not sell the screen by itself.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 6:50:40 AM EDT
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I've gone 240000km in my 2010 F150 listening to that ticking noise...
I figure if she lets go one day I'll just leave her by the side of the road. |
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