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Posted: 4/19/2017 7:12:50 AM EDT
I'd been having issues with my computer slowing to a crawl during my morning 'coffee and internet' sessions. I thought it might be Firefox - the new versions are memory hogs, and this is an older laptop with limited RAM. So I figured out how limit its memory use, and sure enough, things improved.
Then they got bad again. Hmmmm. Turning off the virus scan didn't really help. A dug a little deeper, seeing a svchost.exe process that was hogging my CPU. I learned how to tell what that svchost was running (30 years working with computers and I never knew how to do that...  It was wusa.exe, which is the Windows Update Service. This is Windows 7, and I don't really care about Same thing, slow as dirt. I looked at Services, and Windows Update was started! And it showed as Disabled! WTF? |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:28:20 AM EDT
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I was having some issues with my tablet running Win 8.1 also. Sometimes it had some "hiccups" that made it freeze. In my case the auto-update is also disabled and I select what to update, even though that crap is no longer working at all, like anything Microsoft touches. I let it run for hours and it cannot even find new updates.
Anyway. Installed a real firewall replacing that pos that comes with Windows and there it was. Some Microsoft "services" running in the background that after some Internet searches came up as related to Windows 10 update. I blocked them and stopped having the hiccups. So, yes, it seems Microsoft has been hiding a ton of crap in their updates disguised as something else. It's impressive how those companies have been hiring people that behave like psychos. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:44:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:58:14 AM EDT
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30 years working with computers and you don't grasp the importance of installing updates.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:14:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:22:55 PM EDT
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when you catch it hogging the CPU bring it up in task manager and lower the process's priority
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Posted: 4/19/2017 5:33:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:26:51 PM EDT
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You guys are mean.
The man just wants his cyclez back, that's all! |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:19:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2017 10:19:30 AM EDT
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I'd been having issues with my computer slowing to a crawl during my morning 'coffee and internet' sessions. I thought it might be Firefox - the new versions are memory hogs, and this is an older laptop with limited RAM. So I figured out how limit its memory use, and sure enough, things improved. Then they got bad again. Hmmmm. Turning off the virus scan didn't really help. A dug a little deeper, seeing a svchost.exe process that was hogging my CPU. I learned how to tell what that svchost was running (30 years working with computers and I never knew how to do that... It was wusa.exe, which is the Windows Update Service. This is Windows 7, and I don't really care about updates any more, so I disabled the service. Finally, the computer was back to normal operation! Until today.
Same thing, slow as dirt. I looked at Services, and Windows Update was started! And it showed as Disabled! WTF? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 10:42:46 PM EDT
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Exact same issue tonight.
Frustrating. This laptop has ran like a champ for 8 years, now it takes forever to do anything. Never wanted windows 10... but seems like I'll be forced into it because Microsoft treats their customers like cattle. |
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Posted: 5/2/2017 3:08:34 PM EDT
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30 years working with computers and you don't grasp the importance of installing updates. That's basically what I discovered. Nice try though... |
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Posted: 5/2/2017 4:42:25 PM EDT
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The computer is up to date. But apparently wusa.exe works differently on a domain computer that gets updates through GP, but is not connected to the domain. That's basically what I discovered. Nice try though... |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 10:14:06 AM EDT
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Wait, you disabled windows update on a domain joined company machine? and "Don't care about windows updates anymore" in a work production environment? Are you for real right now? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The computer is up to date. But apparently wusa.exe works differently on a domain computer that gets updates through GP, but is not connected to the domain. That's basically what I discovered. Nice try though... Yes... Yes... Oh, and I'm the Network Administrator. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 10:34:13 AM EDT
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Yes... Yes... Yes... Oh, and I'm the Network Administrator. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The computer is up to date. But apparently wusa.exe works differently on a domain computer that gets updates through GP, but is not connected to the domain. That's basically what I discovered. Nice try though... Yes... Yes... Oh, and I'm the Network Administrator. 
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Posted: 5/8/2017 11:07:13 AM EDT
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Do you run your own WSUS server?
Or... I dunno maybe run a batch remediation update collection in SCCM? But "in" for the whole "This thread is not going to go how OP thought it would". 
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Posted: 5/8/2017 11:17:42 AM EDT
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The computer is up to date. But apparently wusa.exe works differently on a domain computer that gets updates through GP, but is not connected to the domain. That's basically what I discovered. Nice try though... Yes... Yes... Oh, and I'm the Network Administrator. But who wants to pay for all that when you can count on Microsoft to protect you? |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 11:18:52 AM EDT
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Do you run your own WSUS server? Or... I dunno maybe run a batch remediation update collection in SCCM? But "in" for the whole "This thread is not going to go how OP thought it would". |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 2:45:22 PM EDT
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Yes... Yes... Yes... Oh, and I'm the Network Administrator. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 2:46:36 PM EDT
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You're getting too worked up over this. If I was really concerned about security I would use an Enterprise-class firewall, Cisco Umbrella DNS service, managed Anti-Exploit and anti-virus software, and Malwarebytes Premium on all workstations and servers in the organization. But who wants to pay for all that when you can count on Microsoft to protect you? |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 4:12:53 PM EDT
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You really fundamentally don't understand how to do your job. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 4:14:01 PM EDT
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You're fired. Collect your stuff and security will escort you out. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 5:37:46 PM EDT
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This is a tech forum, and you're venturing close to personal attacks. Keep it civil, or leave the thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're fired. Collect your stuff and security will escort you out. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 6:58:28 PM EDT
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Please keep ignorant statements out of this thread. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 7:06:08 PM EDT
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This is a known Windows 7 issue.
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Posted: 5/9/2017 6:22:16 AM EDT
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There's not a best practice or compliance standard in existence in this universe that calls for just arbitrarily halting installing updates. What you're doing borders on gross negligence, and is a termination offense in every organization that has to check a box for cyber security. The fact you not only think it's a proper practice demonstrates your lack of training, education, knowledge, and experience. The fact you're actually indignant about it, shows you fundamentally misunderstand your role, and demonstrate fundamental incompetence at your job. At the very least you need to seek training and education on basic security, if you can't do that you need to quit or be terminated. Because you're opening your employer up to massive risk unless your attitude and practices change. Mind your own business. I've minded mine for 23 years, and I don't need you or your assumptions. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 6:23:34 AM EDT
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You're not in charge, he's not attacking you, and he's correct to top it off. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 7:07:41 AM EDT
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You seem to be fixated on the notion that this computer presents a security risk. It presents no more of a risk than any other workstation in my organization, which are all very well protected. Mind your own business. I've minded mine for 23 years, and I don't need you or your assumptions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's not a best practice or compliance standard in existence in this universe that calls for just arbitrarily halting installing updates. What you're doing borders on gross negligence, and is a termination offense in every organization that has to check a box for cyber security. The fact you not only think it's a proper practice demonstrates your lack of training, education, knowledge, and experience. The fact you're actually indignant about it, shows you fundamentally misunderstand your role, and demonstrate fundamental incompetence at your job. At the very least you need to seek training and education on basic security, if you can't do that you need to quit or be terminated. Because you're opening your employer up to massive risk unless your attitude and practices change. Mind your own business. I've minded mine for 23 years, and I don't need you or your assumptions. MS isn't "being sneaky", they're trying to save the internet from people who aren't smart enough to use it without adult supervision. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 7:08:11 AM EDT
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Yes I am. Yes he is. No he's not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're not in charge, he's not attacking you, and he's correct to top it off. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:03:57 AM EDT
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Josh, what are you basing those statements on?
I'm genuinely curious how you can assume that I'm less intelligent and less experienced. Your snarky comment about 'adult supervision' was rather childish, but I'll overlook it. Tell me, though, what information have I shared that leads you to believe that I'm doing anything wrong here, or am somehow not qualified to do the IT manager job I've been successful at for the last 23 years? I've already pointed out that Enigma is basing his criticisms on assumptions. What are your assumptions? |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:08:39 AM EDT
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Josh, what are you basing those statements on? I'm genuinely curious how you can assume that I'm less intelligent and less experienced. Your snarky comment about 'adult supervision' was rather childish, but I'll overlook it. Tell me, though, what information have I shared that leads you to believe that I'm doing anything wrong here, or am somehow not qualified to do the IT manager job I've been successful at for the last 23 years? I've already pointed out that Enigma is making assumptions in his criticisms. What are your assumptions? |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:10:14 AM EDT
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Josh, what are you basing those statements on? I'm genuinely curious how you can assume that I'm less intelligent and less experienced. Your snarky comment about 'adult supervision' was rather childish, but I'll overlook it. Tell me, though, what information have I shared that leads you to believe that I'm doing anything wrong here, or am somehow not qualified to do the IT manager job I've been successful at for the last 23 years? I've already pointed out that Enigma is making assumptions in his criticisms. What are your assumptions? |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:11:53 AM EDT
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Josh, what are you basing those statements on? I'm genuinely curious how you can assume that I'm less intelligent and less experienced. Your snarky comment about 'adult supervision' was rather childish, but I'll overlook it. Tell me, though, what information have I shared that leads you to believe that I'm doing anything wrong here, or am somehow not qualified to do the IT manager job I've been successful at for the last 23 years? I've already pointed out that Enigma is making assumptions in his criticisms. What are your assumptions? Did I miss anything? I only have 17 years of experience so I might have missed something. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:12:19 AM EDT
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Your OP is quite clear. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:13:11 AM EDT
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No one has to assume anything, you've literally stated your'e doing things wrong on purpose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Josh, what are you basing those statements on? I'm genuinely curious how you can assume that I'm less intelligent and less experienced. Your snarky comment about 'adult supervision' was rather childish, but I'll overlook it. Tell me, though, what information have I shared that leads you to believe that I'm doing anything wrong here, or am somehow not qualified to do the IT manager job I've been successful at for the last 23 years? I've already pointed out that Enigma is making assumptions in his criticisms. What are your assumptions? Surely someone will answer that question directly. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:22:13 AM EDT
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Don't be vague. What exactly did I put in my original post that is leading you to make your accusations? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your OP is quite clear. Do you want me to call out individual words and explain to you the ideas they create in the readers' mind? Maybe we could have a linguistic debate over what "is" means or something equally ridiculous? |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:23:04 AM EDT
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What am I doing wrong? Surely someone will answer that question directly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Josh, what are you basing those statements on? I'm genuinely curious how you can assume that I'm less intelligent and less experienced. Your snarky comment about 'adult supervision' was rather childish, but I'll overlook it. Tell me, though, what information have I shared that leads you to believe that I'm doing anything wrong here, or am somehow not qualified to do the IT manager job I've been successful at for the last 23 years? I've already pointed out that Enigma is making assumptions in his criticisms. What are your assumptions? Surely someone will answer that question directly. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:44:56 AM EDT
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Well first off you claim to have 30years of experience in some form of IT, then you tell us that microsoft is to blame for your problems, then you advocate turning off security features built into an OS. Did I miss anything? I only have 17 years of experience so I might have missed something. Disabling the Windows Update service fixed my problem. NOWHERE did I claim that it is a problem on all computers, or that there might not be some other variable interacting with it that cause my specific problem. Is WSUS known to be problematic? If you are as experienced as you say, then you know it's true. People in this thread keep harping on the idea that I'm not protecting my computer because I turned it off. That's patently false. Maybe this will clear up the confusion by pointing out the assumption that I've referred to: You can manually get Windows Updates any time you want. Just because I take the manual update procedure one step further (by enabling/disabling a service) doesn't mean my computer is not up to date. It is. Or is once a week not enough? Is my domain threatened with disaster? Oh my! If anyone wants to contact my boss (again, whose company I've protected for 23 years) PM me, and I'll be happy to let you tell her what a terrible job I've done. Enigma, you can even smugly tell her that I should be fired. Or maybe you'll man up and recognize that your superior attitude was out of place here. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:46:19 AM EDT
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all of it. Do you want me to call out individual words and explain to you the ideas they create in the readers' mind? Maybe we could have a linguistic debate over what "is" means or something equally ridiculous? My Windows Updates are up to date. Any other issues you wish to chastise me for? |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 11:47:27 AM EDT
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I thought Enigma was quite clear and direct. He has a tendency to do that, he doesn't hold back much. I tend to be a little more polite, at least part of the time. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 12:34:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2017 6:06:44 PM EDT
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No, he adopted a superior attitude, then criticized me based on incorrect assumptions. He read what he wanted to read, and failed to think beyond his own need to feel superior. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought Enigma was quite clear and direct. He has a tendency to do that, he doesn't hold back much. I tend to be a little more polite, at least part of the time. You are an IT manager, or just a network admin? I force updates by GPO, and messing with it will get you in trouble with your respective employer. It is a standard we force on all customers as part of our service agreement. Even if Windows updates were totally worthless (and by golly gosh dernit, they are NOT worthless) they are an accepted industry best practice. If you have a breach that ends up in court, or some PCI compliance shitshow and you tell them you disabled Windows updates, one of the cornerstones of accepted best practices, well, your anus is going to look marvelous sticking out of a flower pot. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 6:44:27 PM EDT
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What am I doing wrong? Surely someone will answer that question directly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Josh, what are you basing those statements on? I'm genuinely curious how you can assume that I'm less intelligent and less experienced. Your snarky comment about 'adult supervision' was rather childish, but I'll overlook it. Tell me, though, what information have I shared that leads you to believe that I'm doing anything wrong here, or am somehow not qualified to do the IT manager job I've been successful at for the last 23 years? I've already pointed out that Enigma is making assumptions in his criticisms. What are your assumptions? Surely someone will answer that question directly. Probably everything. But since you need it broken down barney style, I'll translate for you. If you have windows updates off, and they say it's bad, then it's bad. Or you're not that important, and your network isn't important enough to do things right to have gotten away with sloppy practices for a long time. It's a pretty binary choice between those two things. I know Enigma's background, and some of Josh's and if they say you're doing things wrong, there's no weaseling out of it, your'e doing it wrong. The "23 years" thing doesn't fly since t ETA- put it to you this way, 'twere I in your shoes, and I had a comment/ question and multiple people that would charge you 60- 100+ bucks an hour are willing to weigh in for free I'd take the shirty attitude with a grain of salt and try to turn things around. Instead of asking "what am I doing wrong", ask "What can I do to make the situation right". Instead of challenging their knowledge, it offers them a platform in which to show off a little, and you might get a LOT of good advice. #urbancommandoslifehack |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 7:28:46 PM EDT
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You definitely missed something. I said that Microsoft is sneaky. I'd never seen a service turn itself on after being disabled. Have you? I thought that maybe someone with less experience than you might benefit from the troubleshooting I did, which identified the cause of my computer slowdown. How they choose to address it is up to them (call Microsoft? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!) If they want to disable Windows Update service, that's up to them. As for blaming Microsoft, I know you're not seriously defending their track record as far as computer issues are concerned. Disabling the Windows Update service fixed my problem. NOWHERE did I claim that it is a problem on all computers, or that there might not be some other variable interacting with it that cause my specific problem. Is WSUS known to be problematic? If you are as experienced as you say, then you know it's true. People in this thread keep harping on the idea that I'm not protecting my computer because I turned it off. That's patently false. Maybe this will clear up the confusion by pointing out the assumption that I've referred to: You can manually get Windows Updates any time you want. Just because I take the manual update procedure one step further (by enabling/disabling a service) doesn't mean my computer is not up to date. It is. Or is once a week not enough? Is my domain threatened with disaster? Oh my! If anyone wants to contact my boss (again, whose company I've protected for 23 years) PM me, and I'll be happy to let you tell her what a terrible job I've done. Enigma, you can even smugly tell her that I should be fired. Or maybe you'll man up and recognize that your superior attitude was out of place here. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 7:34:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/10/2017 1:39:23 AM EDT
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Considering where Josh has worked, I'd say the OP should give it up or listen. Some of these people know more than you think.
Hell my dad worked in IT with some big wigs who were supposed to know everything per their title, but lacked fundamentals because they got lucky in the hiring process. 
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Posted: 5/10/2017 2:54:17 AM EDT
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Considering where Josh has worked, I'd say the OP should give it up or listen. Some of these people know more than you think.
Hell my dad worked in IT with some big wigs who were supposed to know everything per their title, but lacked fundamentals because they got lucky in the hiring process. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 3:27:32 AM EDT
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This is a known Windows 7 issue. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 4:23:29 AM EDT
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Exactly. People here are blaming the victim instead of Microsoft that refuses to fix their problem.z |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 4:54:55 AM EDT
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So, why are all of the Windows 7 machines I have under management contracts NOT having this problem. If it's a fundamental problem with Microsoft, why isn't this a constant issue for the end-users my desktop team supports? VDI, RDS hosts, Win7 Embedded devices. None of them have this overarching wusa.exe garbage collection problem that "Microsoft refuses to fix." Explain it to me please. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly. People here are blaming the victim instead of Microsoft that refuses to fix their problem.z |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 8:13:45 AM EDT
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So, why are all of the Windows 7 machines I have under management contracts NOT having this problem. If it's a fundamental problem with Microsoft, why isn't this a constant issue for the end-users my desktop team supports? VDI, RDS hosts, Win7 Embedded devices. None of them have this overarching wusa.exe garbage collection problem that "Microsoft refuses to fix." Explain it to me please. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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