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Posted: 8/14/2015 9:54:52 PM EDT
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Why dont you try google instead of trying to pick apart what i said ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understood the stated purpose. But, both of you are dancing around the issue and indulging in hyperbole, instead of answering the question. "Thanks for explaining. But, it does leave me a bit confused. Aren't repeated, sugar-induced, insulin spikes supposed to be bad for health?" repeated? YES. that's why 2/3 of this country is fat. Repeated insulin spikes will not let your body burn fat from what I understand and will signal it to store it. Repeated to me is a shitty diet full of pop, white stuff, candy, sugar,etc. Most people don't lift every day, I lift 4 days so I wouldn't consider it repeated in my case. <chuckle> The human capacity for self-delusion never fails to amaze and amuse me. repeated: said, done, or happening again and again I hate to break it to you, but if you're doing it four times per week, week after week, month after month, year after year, it's repeated. Why dont you try google instead of trying to pick apart what i said ? a. What "trying to pick apart"??? Again you engage in hyperbole. I merely responded to your comment. b. I did use google for the definition of "repeated" -- something you really should've done before making such a remark. |
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Posted: 8/14/2015 10:05:35 PM EDT
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Would you share the data you're using to define what constitutes an insulin spike and the frequency at which that becomes harmful? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Thanks for explaining. But, it does leave me a bit confused. Aren't repeated, sugar-induced, insulin spikes supposed to be bad for health?" repeated? YES. that's why 2/3 of this country is fat. Repeated insulin spikes will not let your body burn fat from what I understand and will signal it to store it. Repeated to me is a shitty diet full of pop, white stuff, candy, sugar,etc. Most people don't lift every day, I lift 4 days so I wouldn't consider it repeated in my case. <chuckle> The human capacity for self-delusion never fails to amaze and amuse me. repeated: said, done, or happening again and again I hate to break it to you, but if you're doing it four times per week, week after week, month after month, year after year, it's repeated. Would you share the data you're using to define what constitutes an insulin spike and the frequency at which that becomes harmful? 1. The OP said he eats Froot Loops before and after workouts. Froot Loops have very high sugar content. Would they not cause an insulin spike? 2. Is there a frequency at which insulin spikes are not harmful? |
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Posted: 8/14/2015 10:07:35 PM EDT
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a. What "trying to pick apart"??? Again you engage in hyperbole. I merely responded to your comment. b. I did use google for the definition of "repeated" -- something you really should've done before making such a remark. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understood the stated purpose. But, both of you are dancing around the issue and indulging in hyperbole, instead of answering the question. "Thanks for explaining. But, it does leave me a bit confused. Aren't repeated, sugar-induced, insulin spikes supposed to be bad for health?" repeated? YES. that's why 2/3 of this country is fat. Repeated insulin spikes will not let your body burn fat from what I understand and will signal it to store it. Repeated to me is a shitty diet full of pop, white stuff, candy, sugar,etc. Most people don't lift every day, I lift 4 days so I wouldn't consider it repeated in my case. <chuckle> The human capacity for self-delusion never fails to amaze and amuse me. repeated: said, done, or happening again and again I hate to break it to you, but if you're doing it four times per week, week after week, month after month, year after year, it's repeated. Why dont you try google instead of trying to pick apart what i said ? a. What "trying to pick apart"??? Again you engage in hyperbole. I merely responded to your comment. b. I did use google for the definition of "repeated" -- something you really should've done before making such a remark. Jesus dude, he's obviously differentiating between purposefully spiking insulin post workout for protein synthesis and a fat slob that spikes his all the time from shoving his face full of sugar 24/7. Whether or not you agree with taking in a bunch of carbs post workout, or whether it helps is up for debate, but there's a huge difference between "repeated" as in once a day and "repeated" as is 6 times a day. ETA- this is in no way defending eating fruit loops post workout which IMO is a terrible idea. |
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Posted: 8/14/2015 11:06:15 PM EDT
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Jesus dude, he's obviously differentiating between purposefully spiking insulin post workout for protein synthesis and a fat slob that spikes his all the time from shoving his face full of sugar 24/7. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Jesus dude, he's obviously differentiating between purposefully spiking insulin post workout for protein synthesis and a fat slob that spikes his all the time from shoving his face full of sugar 24/7. Yes, that's quite obviously his intent. It's also obviously a red herring, meant to divert attention to what the "fat slobs" in society are doing. Whether or not you agree with taking in a bunch of carbs post workout, or whether it helps is up for debate, but there's a huge difference between "repeated" as in once a day and "repeated" as is 6 times a day. Only in magnitude, not in kind. The question is, are the "once a day" (or in the case of the OP, twice a day) repeated insulin spikes doing harm to the body? ETA- this is in no way defending eating fruit loops post workout which IMO is a terrible idea. Thanks! Finally, somebody addresses the issue instead of dancing around it. |
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Posted: 8/14/2015 11:17:59 PM EDT
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Yes, that's quite obviously his intent. It's also obviously a red herring, meant to divert attention to what the "fat slobs" in society are doing. Only in magnitude, not in kind. The question is, are the "once a day" (or in the case of the OP, twice a day) repeated insulin spikes doing harm to the body? Thanks! Finally, somebody addresses the issue instead of dancing around it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus dude, he's obviously differentiating between purposefully spiking insulin post workout for protein synthesis and a fat slob that spikes his all the time from shoving his face full of sugar 24/7. Yes, that's quite obviously his intent. It's also obviously a red herring, meant to divert attention to what the "fat slobs" in society are doing. Whether or not you agree with taking in a bunch of carbs post workout, or whether it helps is up for debate, but there's a huge difference between "repeated" as in once a day and "repeated" as is 6 times a day. Only in magnitude, not in kind. The question is, are the "once a day" (or in the case of the OP, twice a day) repeated insulin spikes doing harm to the body? ETA- this is in no way defending eating fruit loops post workout which IMO is a terrible idea. Thanks! Finally, somebody addresses the issue instead of dancing around it. .... I guess you're just looking for an argument. I get it. "only in magnitude not in kind" So what? That's still a huge difference. |
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Posted: 8/14/2015 11:40:08 PM EDT
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I guess you're just looking for an argument. I get it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I guess you're just looking for an argument. I get it. Apparently you don't. "only in magnitude not in kind"
So what? That's still a huge difference. And still quite irrelevant to the question of whether once or twice a day is harmful. |
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Posted: 8/14/2015 11:47:45 PM EDT
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Apparently you don't. And still quite irrelevant to the question of whether once or twice a day is harmful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess you're just looking for an argument. I get it. Apparently you don't. "only in magnitude not in kind"
So what? That's still a huge difference. And still quite irrelevant to the question of whether once or twice a day is harmful. Do you realize you're coming off like a complete ass? As far as I know there isn't an exact answer to your question. We do know that spiking it too much causes health problems. If you want/know the answer why don't you find or share some studies. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 12:08:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently you don't. And still quite irrelevant to the question of whether once or twice a day is harmful. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess you're just looking for an argument. I get it. Apparently you don't. "only in magnitude not in kind" So what? That's still a huge difference. And still quite irrelevant to the question of whether once or twice a day is harmful. This has devolved past the point of being an informative discussion. It would be unfortunate to have to lock this thread or restrict certain members from posting in this sub forum (read: not GD) due to a senselessly confrontational tone taken toward an otherwise mundane subject. My suggestion, stanc, is that you take the high road away from this thread until it gets back on track (posting senseless and gratuitous pictures of post-workout meals). You're not to blame for the direction it's gone, but you're a stone's throw from being the fall guy. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 4:06:46 AM EDT
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The purpose of post workout nutrition is to stop the breakdown of muscle and kick start the rebuilding by flooding the blood stream with amino acids and glycogen. People seem to think you only build muscle when you sleep but protein synthesis is happening 24 hours a day. *I'm not a nutritionist and frankly not all that smart. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read a study recently (OK, TLDR, I read the abstract) that compared two groups of trainsers: one that consumed simple carbs post workout and a control group that did not. The study showed that that those who consumed the carbs post-workout did replace glycogen stores faster, BUT that after 24 hours of normal eating, the glycogen stores of both groups were equally restored. The study concluded that post workout carbs to replace glycogen work, but aren't very necessary except for athletes who train more than once per day. I would probably also add in people who work physical jobs after training (firefighter, cops, etc). I've posted the same multiple times. What I haven't seen and wonder though is if there are benefits for strength training from post-workout feeding. Is there some post-workout increase in protein breakdown and resynthesis compared to normal feeding. I think most of the research in this area has focused on endurance training and the info on strength training is in the realm of broscience. The purpose of post workout nutrition is to stop the breakdown of muscle and kick start the rebuilding by flooding the blood stream with amino acids and glycogen. People seem to think you only build muscle when you sleep but protein synthesis is happening 24 hours a day. *I'm not a nutritionist and frankly not all that smart. Yeah, I understand the intent. Is there data that shows there's a difference in effect between the post workout feed and eating a normal meal cycle? |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 4:08:00 AM EDT
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1. The OP said he eats Froot Loops before and after workouts. Froot Loops have very high sugar content. Would they not cause an insulin spike? 2. Is there a frequency at which insulin spikes are not harmful? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Thanks for explaining. But, it does leave me a bit confused. Aren't repeated, sugar-induced, insulin spikes supposed to be bad for health?" repeated? YES. that's why 2/3 of this country is fat. Repeated insulin spikes will not let your body burn fat from what I understand and will signal it to store it. Repeated to me is a shitty diet full of pop, white stuff, candy, sugar,etc. Most people don't lift every day, I lift 4 days so I wouldn't consider it repeated in my case. <chuckle> The human capacity for self-delusion never fails to amaze and amuse me. repeated: said, done, or happening again and again I hate to break it to you, but if you're doing it four times per week, week after week, month after month, year after year, it's repeated. Would you share the data you're using to define what constitutes an insulin spike and the frequency at which that becomes harmful? 1. The OP said he eats Froot Loops before and after workouts. Froot Loops have very high sugar content. Would they not cause an insulin spike? 2. Is there a frequency at which insulin spikes are not harmful? If Someone ate a Snickers bar every year on his or her birthday, would that be harmful? |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 10:18:07 AM EDT
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Your body strives to maintain homeostasis or balance. It will work to restore its pre-workout glucose levels—by gluconeogenesis or by the simple carbs you eat. A complete meal (meat and potatoes) may take two or more hours to digest. Too long to prevent catabolism.
Amino acids (protein) can be used for tissue repair, synthesis, AND energy. During and after anaerobic or aerobic exercise glycogen (blood sugar--i.e. fuel) levels are depleted. During this negative energy balance, amino acids will be used (gluconeogenesis) to assist in energy production. Gluconeogenesis is supported by the release of branched-chain and other amino acids from structural proteins (i.e. catabolism of your muscles) to maintain glucose homeostasis. If your energy (glucose) needs are satisfied, protein can be used for tissue repair and growth. Carbohydrates (sugars) are muscle-protein sparing because they inhibit muscle-protein breakdown. To be effective, the carbs need to be consumed soon--either before, during, or immediately after your workout depending on the length of your workout. Two hours later? You've missed the mark. This is pretty much how it was explained to me by a trainer years ago. I don't know if the "science" behind it is sound, but he had me eating no fat sugary shit after every workout and also making an entire day of free-for-all carbs the end of the week all the way until the last week of my show. Fat just kept falling off of me until I had almost none left. Of course the rest if my diet was ridiculously clean. I can't argue it's merits because I never did much research on the matter. I just did what I was told and continued to do it afterwards because it seems to work for me. My trainer did say he had me consume more junk carbs that his other clients because my metabolism utilized it better. Something about insulin sensitivity. I'm staying big and lean so I don't see me changing it any time soon. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 10:43:35 AM EDT
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I'm going to copy-paste from someone else: This is pretty much how it was explained to me by a trainer years ago. I don't know if the "science" behind it is sound, but he had me eating no fat sugary shit after every workout and also making an entire day of free-for-all carbs the end of the week all the way until the last week of my show. Fat just kept falling off of me until I had almost none left. Of course the rest if my diet was ridiculously clean. I can't argue it's merits because I never did much research on the matter. I just did what I was told and continued to do it afterwards because it seems to work for me. My trainer did say he had me consume more junk carbs that his other clients because my metabolism utilized it better. Something about insulin sensitivity. I'm staying big and lean so I don't see me changing it any time soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm going to copy-paste from someone else: Your body strives to maintain homeostasis or balance. It will work to restore its pre-workout glucose levels—by gluconeogenesis or by the simple carbs you eat. A complete meal (meat and potatoes) may take two or more hours to digest. Too long to prevent catabolism.
Amino acids (protein) can be used for tissue repair, synthesis, AND energy. During and after anaerobic or aerobic exercise glycogen (blood sugar--i.e. fuel) levels are depleted. During this negative energy balance, amino acids will be used (gluconeogenesis) to assist in energy production. Gluconeogenesis is supported by the release of branched-chain and other amino acids from structural proteins (i.e. catabolism of your muscles) to maintain glucose homeostasis. If your energy (glucose) needs are satisfied, protein can be used for tissue repair and growth. Carbohydrates (sugars) are muscle-protein sparing because they inhibit muscle-protein breakdown. To be effective, the carbs need to be consumed soon--either before, during, or immediately after your workout depending on the length of your workout. Two hours later? You've missed the mark. This is pretty much how it was explained to me by a trainer years ago. I don't know if the "science" behind it is sound, but he had me eating no fat sugary shit after every workout and also making an entire day of free-for-all carbs the end of the week all the way until the last week of my show. Fat just kept falling off of me until I had almost none left. Of course the rest if my diet was ridiculously clean. I can't argue it's merits because I never did much research on the matter. I just did what I was told and continued to do it afterwards because it seems to work for me. My trainer did say he had me consume more junk carbs that his other clients because my metabolism utilized it better. Something about insulin sensitivity. I'm staying big and lean so I don't see me changing it any time soon. Carboloading! |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 10:57:01 AM EDT
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so would eating starches like bread metabolize fast enough to prevent catabolism? or does it have to be sugars?
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Posted: 8/15/2015 11:11:43 AM EDT
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so would eating starches like bread metabolize fast enough to prevent catabolism? or does it have to be sugars? I have doing sugar before my workouts, It rocks. Simple carbs get there the fastest. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 11:15:03 AM EDT
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I have doing sugar before my workouts, It rocks. Simple carbs get there the fastest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so would eating starches like bread metabolize fast enough to prevent catabolism? or does it have to be sugars? I have doing sugar before my workouts, It rocks. Simple carbs get there the fastest. I use to lol at people doing long course tri, trying to consume high fat and complex carb nutrition during workouts and especially races. Why not wash that down with a beer or a shot of gin? |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 11:16:35 AM EDT
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I have doing sugar before my workouts, It rocks. Simple carbs get there the fastest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so would eating starches like bread metabolize fast enough to prevent catabolism? or does it have to be sugars? I have doing sugar before my workouts, It rocks. Simple carbs get there the fastest. good, I love sugar |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 11:20:17 AM EDT
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I use to lol at people doing long course tri, trying to consume high fat and complex carb nutrition during workouts and especially races. Why not wash that down with a beer or a shot of gin? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so would eating starches like bread metabolize fast enough to prevent catabolism? or does it have to be sugars? I have doing sugar before my workouts, It rocks. Simple carbs get there the fastest. I use to lol at people doing long course tri, trying to consume high fat and complex carb nutrition during workouts and especially races. Why not wash that down with a beer or a shot of gin? I used to chug 2 beers then go run a 5k. That was great. Well until I sweated out all the alcohol. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 11:30:05 AM EDT
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My suggestion, stanc, is that you take the high road away from this thread until it gets back on track (posting senseless and gratuitous pictures of post-workout meals). You're not to blame for the direction it's gone, but you're a stone's throw from being the fall guy. Okay, I'll drop the matter. Those who replied to my posts persisted in evading the question, anyway. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 11:52:41 AM EDT
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I'm going to copy-paste from someone else: This is pretty much how it was explained to me by a trainer years ago. I don't know if the "science" behind it is sound, but he had me eating no fat sugary shit after every workout and also making an entire day of free-for-all carbs the end of the week all the way until the last week of my show. Fat just kept falling off of me until I had almost none left. Of course the rest if my diet was ridiculously clean. I can't argue it's merits because I never did much research on the matter. I just did what I was told and continued to do it afterwards because it seems to work for me. My trainer did say he had me consume more junk carbs that his other clients because my metabolism utilized it better. Something about insulin sensitivity. I'm staying big and lean so I don't see me changing it any time soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm going to copy-paste from someone else: Your body strives to maintain homeostasis or balance. It will work to restore its pre-workout glucose levels—by gluconeogenesis or by the simple carbs you eat. A complete meal (meat and potatoes) may take two or more hours to digest. Too long to prevent catabolism.
Amino acids (protein) can be used for tissue repair, synthesis, AND energy. During and after anaerobic or aerobic exercise glycogen (blood sugar--i.e. fuel) levels are depleted. During this negative energy balance, amino acids will be used (gluconeogenesis) to assist in energy production. Gluconeogenesis is supported by the release of branched-chain and other amino acids from structural proteins (i.e. catabolism of your muscles) to maintain glucose homeostasis. If your energy (glucose) needs are satisfied, protein can be used for tissue repair and growth. Carbohydrates (sugars) are muscle-protein sparing because they inhibit muscle-protein breakdown. To be effective, the carbs need to be consumed soon--either before, during, or immediately after your workout depending on the length of your workout. Two hours later? You've missed the mark. This is pretty much how it was explained to me by a trainer years ago. I don't know if the "science" behind it is sound, but he had me eating no fat sugary shit after every workout and also making an entire day of free-for-all carbs the end of the week all the way until the last week of my show. Fat just kept falling off of me until I had almost none left. Of course the rest if my diet was ridiculously clean. I can't argue it's merits because I never did much research on the matter. I just did what I was told and continued to do it afterwards because it seems to work for me. My trainer did say he had me consume more junk carbs that his other clients because my metabolism utilized it better. Something about insulin sensitivity. I'm staying big and lean so I don't see me changing it any time soon. Your quoted text is what happens during prolonged endurance exercise and I wager that you have to go pretty far to get to,the point where the body is converting skeletal muscle into substrate. I understand the theory of post strength session feed. There is similar theory behind the post endurance workout feed, but science showed that there is no dufference in muscle glycogen level 24 hours post-workout between the immediate workout feed and just eating normally, so there is no point in a post endurance workout feed unless you're doing 2 a days. In fact, post workput feeding could be counterproductive for weight loss. That's why I'm curious about the science, as opposed to theories largely advocated by folks trying to sell supplements or ad space to supplement companies. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 11:58:33 AM EDT
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Your quoted text is what happens during prolonged endurance exercise and I wager that you have to go pretty far to get to,the point where the body is converting skeletal muscle into substrate. I understand the theory of post strength session feed. There is similar theory behind the post endurance workout feed, but science showed that there is no dufference in muscle glycogen level 24 hours post-workout between the immediate workout feed and just eating normally, so there is no point in a post endurance workout feed unless you're doing 2 a days. In fact, post workput feeding could be counterproductive for weight loss. That's why I'm curious about the science, as opposed to theories largely advocated by folks trying to sell supplements or ad space to supplement companies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going to copy-paste from someone else: Your body strives to maintain homeostasis or balance. It will work to restore its pre-workout glucose levels—by gluconeogenesis or by the simple carbs you eat. A complete meal (meat and potatoes) may take two or more hours to digest. Too long to prevent catabolism.
Amino acids (protein) can be used for tissue repair, synthesis, AND energy. During and after anaerobic or aerobic exercise glycogen (blood sugar--i.e. fuel) levels are depleted. During this negative energy balance, amino acids will be used (gluconeogenesis) to assist in energy production. Gluconeogenesis is supported by the release of branched-chain and other amino acids from structural proteins (i.e. catabolism of your muscles) to maintain glucose homeostasis. If your energy (glucose) needs are satisfied, protein can be used for tissue repair and growth. Carbohydrates (sugars) are muscle-protein sparing because they inhibit muscle-protein breakdown. To be effective, the carbs need to be consumed soon--either before, during, or immediately after your workout depending on the length of your workout. Two hours later? You've missed the mark. This is pretty much how it was explained to me by a trainer years ago. I don't know if the "science" behind it is sound, but he had me eating no fat sugary shit after every workout and also making an entire day of free-for-all carbs the end of the week all the way until the last week of my show. Fat just kept falling off of me until I had almost none left. Of course the rest if my diet was ridiculously clean. I can't argue it's merits because I never did much research on the matter. I just did what I was told and continued to do it afterwards because it seems to work for me. My trainer did say he had me consume more junk carbs that his other clients because my metabolism utilized it better. Something about insulin sensitivity. I'm staying big and lean so I don't see me changing it any time soon. Your quoted text is what happens during prolonged endurance exercise and I wager that you have to go pretty far to get to,the point where the body is converting skeletal muscle into substrate. I understand the theory of post strength session feed. There is similar theory behind the post endurance workout feed, but science showed that there is no dufference in muscle glycogen level 24 hours post-workout between the immediate workout feed and just eating normally, so there is no point in a post endurance workout feed unless you're doing 2 a days. In fact, post workput feeding could be counterproductive for weight loss. That's why I'm curious about the science, as opposed to theories largely advocated by folks trying to sell supplements or ad space to supplement companies. For most people doing a post workout feed weight loss is opposite of the result they are trying to achieve. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 12:02:01 PM EDT
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For most people doing a post workout feed weight loss is opposite of the result they are trying to achieve. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going to copy-paste from someone else: Your body strives to maintain homeostasis or balance. It will work to restore its pre-workout glucose levels—by gluconeogenesis or by the simple carbs you eat. A complete meal (meat and potatoes) may take two or more hours to digest. Too long to prevent catabolism.
Amino acids (protein) can be used for tissue repair, synthesis, AND energy. During and after anaerobic or aerobic exercise glycogen (blood sugar--i.e. fuel) levels are depleted. During this negative energy balance, amino acids will be used (gluconeogenesis) to assist in energy production. Gluconeogenesis is supported by the release of branched-chain and other amino acids from structural proteins (i.e. catabolism of your muscles) to maintain glucose homeostasis. If your energy (glucose) needs are satisfied, protein can be used for tissue repair and growth. Carbohydrates (sugars) are muscle-protein sparing because they inhibit muscle-protein breakdown. To be effective, the carbs need to be consumed soon--either before, during, or immediately after your workout depending on the length of your workout. Two hours later? You've missed the mark. This is pretty much how it was explained to me by a trainer years ago. I don't know if the "science" behind it is sound, but he had me eating no fat sugary shit after every workout and also making an entire day of free-for-all carbs the end of the week all the way until the last week of my show. Fat just kept falling off of me until I had almost none left. Of course the rest if my diet was ridiculously clean. I can't argue it's merits because I never did much research on the matter. I just did what I was told and continued to do it afterwards because it seems to work for me. My trainer did say he had me consume more junk carbs that his other clients because my metabolism utilized it better. Something about insulin sensitivity. I'm staying big and lean so I don't see me changing it any time soon. Your quoted text is what happens during prolonged endurance exercise and I wager that you have to go pretty far to get to,the point where the body is converting skeletal muscle into substrate. I understand the theory of post strength session feed. There is similar theory behind the post endurance workout feed, but science showed that there is no dufference in muscle glycogen level 24 hours post-workout between the immediate workout feed and just eating normally, so there is no point in a post endurance workout feed unless you're doing 2 a days. In fact, post workput feeding could be counterproductive for weight loss. That's why I'm curious about the science, as opposed to theories largely advocated by folks trying to sell supplements or ad space to supplement companies. For most people doing a post workout feed weight loss is opposite of the result they are trying to achieve. Not in the context I was discussing - endurance athletes. Lighter is almost always better there. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 12:05:37 PM EDT
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Not in the context I was discussing - endurance athletes. Lighter is almost always better there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going to copy-paste from someone else: Your body strives to maintain homeostasis or balance. It will work to restore its pre-workout glucose levels—by gluconeogenesis or by the simple carbs you eat. A complete meal (meat and potatoes) may take two or more hours to digest. Too long to prevent catabolism.
Amino acids (protein) can be used for tissue repair, synthesis, AND energy. During and after anaerobic or aerobic exercise glycogen (blood sugar--i.e. fuel) levels are depleted. During this negative energy balance, amino acids will be used (gluconeogenesis) to assist in energy production. Gluconeogenesis is supported by the release of branched-chain and other amino acids from structural proteins (i.e. catabolism of your muscles) to maintain glucose homeostasis. If your energy (glucose) needs are satisfied, protein can be used for tissue repair and growth. Carbohydrates (sugars) are muscle-protein sparing because they inhibit muscle-protein breakdown. To be effective, the carbs need to be consumed soon--either before, during, or immediately after your workout depending on the length of your workout. Two hours later? You've missed the mark. This is pretty much how it was explained to me by a trainer years ago. I don't know if the "science" behind it is sound, but he had me eating no fat sugary shit after every workout and also making an entire day of free-for-all carbs the end of the week all the way until the last week of my show. Fat just kept falling off of me until I had almost none left. Of course the rest if my diet was ridiculously clean. I can't argue it's merits because I never did much research on the matter. I just did what I was told and continued to do it afterwards because it seems to work for me. My trainer did say he had me consume more junk carbs that his other clients because my metabolism utilized it better. Something about insulin sensitivity. I'm staying big and lean so I don't see me changing it any time soon. Your quoted text is what happens during prolonged endurance exercise and I wager that you have to go pretty far to get to,the point where the body is converting skeletal muscle into substrate. I understand the theory of post strength session feed. There is similar theory behind the post endurance workout feed, but science showed that there is no dufference in muscle glycogen level 24 hours post-workout between the immediate workout feed and just eating normally, so there is no point in a post endurance workout feed unless you're doing 2 a days. In fact, post workput feeding could be counterproductive for weight loss. That's why I'm curious about the science, as opposed to theories largely advocated by folks trying to sell supplements or ad space to supplement companies. For most people doing a post workout feed weight loss is opposite of the result they are trying to achieve. Not in the context I was discussing - endurance athletes. Lighter is almost always better there. Well you said strength session. So it was confusing. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 12:27:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2015 2:58:36 PM EDT
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Y'all quit cher' bitchin and post pitchers.
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Posted: 8/15/2015 4:46:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2015 4:46:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2015 6:22:20 PM EDT
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Weekend breakfast - grilled peppers with sausage and egg
Spaghetti squash with bison ragu 
Skillet seared salmon, salmon skin bacon, and sautéed zucchini with onion and garlic 
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Posted: 8/15/2015 6:58:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2015 7:33:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2015 7:41:45 PM EDT
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salmon skin bacon, is that just really crispy salmon skin? Yes. I sear the salmon skin side down first, in a very hot cast iron skillet. After a minute or 90 seconds, I flip the salmon and gently peel the skin. Once it's clear, I cook it for 1-2 minutes per side until crispy. Delicious. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 7:58:17 PM EDT
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That seems like a lot of food, and I am a fatbody. I am going to bet OP is 18 years old.
 
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Posted: 8/15/2015 8:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weekend breakfast - grilled peppers with sausage and egg http://i62.tinypic.com/2vb68o0.jpg Spaghetti squash with bison ragu http://i57.tinypic.com/bgchp3.jpg Skillet seared salmon, salmon skin bacon, and sautéed zucchini with onion and garlic http://i59.tinypic.com/2432893.jpg  (This low carb thing is inevitable for me. I just need to pick a date to start before my first heart attack.  ) |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 8:04:33 PM EDT
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salmon skin bacon, is that just really crispy salmon skin? Yes. I sear the salmon skin side down first, in a very hot cast iron skillet. After a minute or 90 seconds, I flip the salmon and gently peel the skin. Once it's clear, I cook it for 1-2 minutes per side until crispy. Delicious. going to have to try that. I usually do smoked salmon and hardly ever cook on the skillit. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 8:28:45 PM EDT
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salmon skin bacon, is that just really crispy salmon skin? Yes. I sear the salmon skin side down first, in a very hot cast iron skillet. After a minute or 90 seconds, I flip the salmon and gently peel the skin. Once it's clear, I cook it for 1-2 minutes per side until crispy. Delicious. going to have to try that. I usually do smoked salmon and hardly ever cook on the skillit. Don't overcook! Easy to do. I go for medium rare, so if I miss, which I sometimes will on thinner/leaner pieces, it's still only medium. |
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Posted: 8/15/2015 9:22:06 PM EDT
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You're not wrong about the first part. But I hate all food now. Steak, fish, doesn't matter...I hate eating. I prefer ground meat so I can get it wet with something like cream of mushroom soup and shove it down as quickly as possible. Any meat I eat goes in the food processor. Second part. So worth it. I look and feel fucking awesome.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Enjoying food is worth more to me than whatever you are doing You're not wrong about the first part. But I hate all food now. Steak, fish, doesn't matter...I hate eating. I prefer ground meat so I can get it wet with something like cream of mushroom soup and shove it down as quickly as possible. Any meat I eat goes in the food processor. Second part. So worth it. I look and feel fucking awesome. You need Poundstone Shakes in your life. Just don't put any salt in them, and you barely even know you're drinking a chicken shake. I did a dinner thread on mine one day in GD.
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Posted: 8/15/2015 9:59:05 PM EDT
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Enjoying food is worth more to me than whatever you are doing You're not wrong about the first part. But I hate all food now. Steak, fish, doesn't matter...I hate eating. I prefer ground meat so I can get it wet with something like cream of mushroom soup and shove it down as quickly as possible. Any meat I eat goes in the food processor. Second part. So worth it. I look and feel fucking awesome. You need Poundstone Shakes in your life. Just don't put any salt in them, and you barely even know you're drinking a chicken shake. I did a dinner thread on mine one day in GD. 
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Posted: 8/15/2015 11:37:55 PM EDT
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That seems like a lot of food, and I am a fatbody. I am going to bet OP is 18 years old. Ha-ha, I didn't even eat this much when I was that age! |
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Posted: 8/16/2015 12:07:26 AM EDT
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That seems like a lot of food, and I am a fatbody. I am going to bet OP is 18 years old. Ha-ha, I didn't even eat this much when I was that age! that does seem like a lot of food unless you are 6'-8" 300# |
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Posted: 8/16/2015 7:52:21 AM EDT
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Today is a low carb day. http://i.imgur.com/O88iYNG.jpg Meal 1: 6 eggs + 6oz egg whites & two rice cakes Meal 2: 8oz lean ground turkey & Random green veggie Meal 3: 8oz lean ground turkey & Random green veggie Meal 4: 8oz lean ground turkey & 4oz NoYolks egg noodles Meal 5: 8oz lean ground turkey & 4oz NoYolks egg noodles Pre Workout: 1 cup Fruit Loops w/15g whey - Workout- Post Workout: 1 cup Fruit Loops w/15g whey Meal 6: 10oz lean ground turkey & 5oz NoYolks egg noodles Meal 7: Protein Shake + 1/2 cup raw ground oats. Bed: 2 cups cottage cheese That's how you do it, OP! I need to get better at eating more than three meals, and tracking my calories, protein, carb and fat intake. Right now I am on Bob Paris' 'Flawless' program, and that's something he really harps on. Thanks for the kick in the pants. I usually eat breakfast and lunch at Whole Foods from their food bar (spending big bucks, but getting jacked is expensive). I'll post up some pics this coming week. Great thread idea!!!
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Posted: 8/16/2015 8:52:07 AM EDT
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Weekend breakfast - grilled peppers with sausage and egg http://i62.tinypic.com/2vb68o0.jpg Spaghetti squash with bison ragu http://i57.tinypic.com/bgchp3.jpg Skillet seared salmon, salmon skin bacon, and sautéed zucchini with onion and garlic http://i59.tinypic.com/2432893.jpg damn dude, that stuff looks excellent (skin but everything else )
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Posted: 8/16/2015 10:58:01 AM EDT
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Weekend breakfast - grilled peppers with sausage and egg http://i62.tinypic.com/2vb68o0.jpg Spaghetti squash with bison ragu http://i57.tinypic.com/bgchp3.jpg Skillet seared salmon, salmon skin bacon, and sautéed zucchini with onion and garlic http://i59.tinypic.com/2432893.jpg damn dude, that stuff looks excellent (skin but everything else )I thought the same thing until I had a salmon skin roll at a sushi place. You have to cook it crispy though or I agree with you perception. Think about this: Is the skin on fried chicken delicious? |
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Posted: 8/16/2015 11:01:40 AM EDT
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Cauliflower "Arroz" con Pollo
Lamb burgers topped with pistachio pesto and roasted asparagus. Lamb burger best burger 
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Posted: 8/16/2015 11:06:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2015 11:27:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2015 11:32:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2015 11:41:16 AM EDT
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Is the skin on fried chicken delicious? I pull the skin off chicken sir [/johnnyutah] |
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Posted: 8/16/2015 11:52:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2015 12:51:14 PM EDT
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Last night - Pad see ew paleo style with noodles made from shaved carrots
Right now - 3 eggs over easy piled on turnip hash browns w/ Cholula chipotle sauce 
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Posted: 8/16/2015 12:53:11 PM EDT
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H46 wins this thread. I would eat it all except for the asparagus. Asparagus is phenomenal. It's very good roasted. Wrap 3 spears in prosciutto, drizzle with coconut oil, roast and it transcends description. |
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Posted: 8/16/2015 1:01:15 PM EDT
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Cast iron seared pork chop and shredded Brussels sprouts, and turnip fries
Foreground: seared chicken sausage and turnip fries. Background: roasted spaghetti squash topped with eggplant caponata 
Moroccan chicken, gazpacho, eggplant caponata 
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