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Posted: 2/3/2015 10:49:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: I am considering purchasing this home gym Smith Machine and I would love your opinions on it. Thanks. http://www.samsclub.com/sams/combo-smith-machine/prod7140126.ip |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 10:52:24 AM EDT
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How about fuck no?
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:22:11 AM EDT
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I am considering purchasing this home gym Smith Machine and I would love your opinions on it. Thanks. http://www.samsclub.com/sams/combo-smith-machine/prod7140126.ip No, but I will not have anyone to spot me and I would feel more confident going heavy with a Smith Machine. I know that I wouldn't get the benefit of balance, but I can do other exercises with free weights to address that. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:35:17 AM EDT
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Get a power rack with safety bars or learn how to dump a squat. It's not that hard.
In about 7-8 years of lifting I've dumped a heavy squat maybe 2-3 times....it's not something that should happen often. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:44:07 AM EDT
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No, but I will not have anyone to spot me and I would feel more confident going heavy with a Smith Machine. I know that I wouldn't get the benefit of balance, but I can do other exercises with free weights to address that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am considering purchasing this home gym Smith Machine and I would love your opinions on it. Thanks. http://www.samsclub.com/sams/combo-smith-machine/prod7140126.ip No, but I will not have anyone to spot me and I would feel more confident going heavy with a Smith Machine. I know that I wouldn't get the benefit of balance, but I can do other exercises with free weights to address that. There is an blog post about a smith machine killing someone because they couldn't dump it. Also it's not only about balance but range of motion. You can't move the bar right in a smith. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:51:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:52:04 AM EDT
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I think over time we learn what works and doesn't work for working out, and then we start to learn that even though something works, that does't mean it is optimal. Smith machines may work somewhat for a little while, but if you are serious about making progress over a long period of time and getting strong, they are less optimal.
As has been said, the best would be to find a rack with safety bars, start light and learn correct form, and get after it. I truly feel sorry for the guys at the gym doing weird stuff on the smith machine, they could get so much more "bang for their time spent working out buck" using a barbell. ETA the worst injury I ever got was back in the day when I didn't "get it"...I was squatting with the smith machine and jacked my back really bad. Looking back with what I know now, I can't believe I ever even tried to do it that way. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 12:09:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/3/2015 1:21:44 PM EDT
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if you do buy one here's a nice video on the best ways to use it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBLxCPmnVc |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:32:21 PM EDT
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I am sure the number of people who bought a smith machine and later wished they had put that money towards a power rack is far greater than the number of people who bought a power rack and wished they had put the money towards a smith machine.
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Posted: 2/3/2015 6:21:55 PM EDT
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There is an blog post about a smith machine killing someone because they couldn't dump it. Also it's not only about balance but range of motion. You can't move the bar right in a smith. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am considering purchasing this home gym Smith Machine and I would love your opinions on it. Thanks. http://www.samsclub.com/sams/combo-smith-machine/prod7140126.ip No, but I will not have anyone to spot me and I would feel more confident going heavy with a Smith Machine. I know that I wouldn't get the benefit of balance, but I can do other exercises with free weights to address that. There is an blog post about a smith machine killing someone because they couldn't dump it. Also it's not only about balance but range of motion. You can't move the bar right in a smith. Here: http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/article/barbell_safety#.VNFJWi63FrY The author lost his cousin due to an accident on a smith machine where he was strangled due to a bench press weight that he could not handle. No spotter. no safety pins. DO NOT FUCKING BENCH IN A SMITH MACHINE...EVER. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 6:23:52 PM EDT
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Get a power rack with safety bars or learn how to dump a squat. It's not that hard. In about 7-8 years of lifting I've dumped a heavy squat maybe 2-3 times....it's not something that should happen often. This. The smith machine is one of the most worthless pieces of equipment. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 6:53:02 PM EDT
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Here: http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/article/barbell_safety#.VNFJWi63FrY The author lost his cousin due to an accident on a smith machine where he was strangled due to a bench press weight that he could not handle. No spotter. no safety pins. DO NOT FUCKING BENCH IN A SMITH MACHINE...EVER. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am considering purchasing this home gym Smith Machine and I would love your opinions on it. Thanks. http://www.samsclub.com/sams/combo-smith-machine/prod7140126.ip No, but I will not have anyone to spot me and I would feel more confident going heavy with a Smith Machine. I know that I wouldn't get the benefit of balance, but I can do other exercises with free weights to address that. There is an blog post about a smith machine killing someone because they couldn't dump it. Also it's not only about balance but range of motion. You can't move the bar right in a smith. Here: http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/article/barbell_safety#.VNFJWi63FrY The author lost his cousin due to an accident on a smith machine where he was strangled due to a bench press weight that he could not handle. No spotter. no safety pins. DO NOT FUCKING BENCH IN A SMITH MACHINE...EVER. Yep, that's the one I was talking about. And I would say no one who ever bought a power rack said they would have rather had a smith machine. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 7:19:54 PM EDT
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Go cage. Much more versatile. Look at spotting straps, sporting chains or spotting stands.
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Posted: 2/3/2015 7:30:42 PM EDT
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My power rack was $200 at the time. Well worth whatever the price is now |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 7:55:05 PM EDT
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Here: http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/article/barbell_safety#.VNFJWi63FrY The author lost his cousin due to an accident on a smith machine where he was strangled due to a bench press weight that he could not handle. No spotter. no safety pins. DO NOT FUCKING BENCH IN A SMITH MACHINE...EVER. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am considering purchasing this home gym Smith Machine and I would love your opinions on it. Thanks. http://www.samsclub.com/sams/combo-smith-machine/prod7140126.ip No, but I will not have anyone to spot me and I would feel more confident going heavy with a Smith Machine. I know that I wouldn't get the benefit of balance, but I can do other exercises with free weights to address that. There is an blog post about a smith machine killing someone because they couldn't dump it. Also it's not only about balance but range of motion. You can't move the bar right in a smith. Here: http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/article/barbell_safety#.VNFJWi63FrY The author lost his cousin due to an accident on a smith machine where he was strangled due to a bench press weight that he could not handle. No spotter. no safety pins. DO NOT FUCKING BENCH IN A SMITH MACHINE...EVER. Sold mine strictly because of this story. My buddy of course bought it, but I made it very clear, no benching on the Smith machine! barbell only. I was getting to the point (275 lbs+) that I wasn't comfortable benching without some sort of safety setup. You roll out from 275 once and you understand how quickly you could be gone. Glad I did... Last night decided to try 315 and it went no where. Dropped on the safety bar and I slid out. Friends don't let friends bench in the Smith machine! Obviously this is a bit more than most need, but keeps me safe. 
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:00:33 PM EDT
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if you do buy one here's a nice video on the best ways to use it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBLxCPmnVc It requires balance and stabilization....and you not having a hole in your body that you can get pregnant in. 
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:02:17 PM EDT
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http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii81/dphill15/001%204_zpsqj46dngx.jpg My power rack was $200 at the time. Well worth whatever the price is now This. A Smith machine isn't safe as you think. There was a guy here not too long ago that lost a family member to a Smith machine, no joke. Bench press got stuff, couldn't dump the weights due to the tracks and it literally strangled him to death. I have a power rack and I lift all the time alone. Can't make it, dump the bar onto the rack. I got mine on Craigslist, full weight set, bar, power rack, and cable accessories for $350. So easy, even my wife can do it unspotted. 
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Posted: 2/4/2015 12:53:44 AM EDT
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This. A Smith machine isn't safe as you think. There was a guy here not too long ago that lost a family member to a Smith machine, no joke. Bench press got stuff, couldn't dump the weights due to the tracks and it literally strangled him to death. I have a power rack and I lift all the time alone. Can't make it, dump the bar onto the rack. I got mine on Craigslist, full weight set, bar, power rack, and cable accessories for $350. So easy, even my wife can do it unspotted.
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http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii81/dphill15/001%204_zpsqj46dngx.jpg My power rack was $200 at the time. Well worth whatever the price is now This. A Smith machine isn't safe as you think. There was a guy here not too long ago that lost a family member to a Smith machine, no joke. Bench press got stuff, couldn't dump the weights due to the tracks and it literally strangled him to death. I have a power rack and I lift all the time alone. Can't make it, dump the bar onto the rack. I got mine on Craigslist, full weight set, bar, power rack, and cable accessories for $350. So easy, even my wife can do it unspotted.
http://i.imgur.com/EZ6hUCQ.jpg LOL at workout a and b on wall. Too hard to remember?
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Posted: 2/4/2015 9:45:41 AM EDT
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Sold mine strictly because of this story. My buddy of course bought it, but I made it very clear, no benching on the Smith machine! barbell only. I was getting to the point (275 lbs+) that I wasn't comfortable benching without some sort of safety setup. You roll out from 275 once and you understand how quickly you could be gone. Glad I did... Last night decided to try 315 and it went no where. Dropped on the safety bar and I slid out. Friends don't let friends bench in the Smith machine! Obviously this is a bit more than most need, but keeps me safe. http://i.imgur.com/gEQoNR3.jpg?1 RML-690? I have one and they ROCK! Very safe for benching alone. And for any newbie reading this thread. NEVER, EVER, collar the the weights on the bar. If you get stuck then you can dump the bar to the side. If they are collared you are trapped. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:18:32 AM EDT
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LOL at workout a and b on wall. Too hard to remember?
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http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii81/dphill15/001%204_zpsqj46dngx.jpg My power rack was $200 at the time. Well worth whatever the price is now This. A Smith machine isn't safe as you think. There was a guy here not too long ago that lost a family member to a Smith machine, no joke. Bench press got stuff, couldn't dump the weights due to the tracks and it literally strangled him to death. I have a power rack and I lift all the time alone. Can't make it, dump the bar onto the rack. I got mine on Craigslist, full weight set, bar, power rack, and cable accessories for $350. So easy, even my wife can do it unspotted.
http://i.imgur.com/EZ6hUCQ.jpg LOL at workout a and b on wall. Too hard to remember?
For me, everything is too hard to remember. I burned too many brains cells in my 20's. 
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Posted: 2/4/2015 11:48:32 AM EDT
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Why do I feel like OP didn't get the answer he wanted so he took as ball and went home?
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Posted: 2/4/2015 11:58:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do I feel like OP didn't get the answer he wanted so he took as ball and went home? the silent type  YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 12:01:44 PM EDT
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Why do I feel like OP didn't get the answer he wanted so he took as ball and went home? the silent type http://i.imgur.com/YrSQYZk.gif YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 
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Posted: 2/4/2015 2:49:38 PM EDT
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Anyone know where I could find a cage with cables as well so that I could do pull downs and rows?
Looking to stay in the $500 neighborhood. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 2:54:09 PM EDT
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Meh. Do chins and pull-ups from your new cage. Use your barbell for rows. Cable set ups under $500 are usually pretty crappy.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 2:59:42 PM EDT
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I got my cage on craigslist and it had the cable thingy already on it. I added the rope and it does good for when you wanna super set and absolutely crush something. I'll do barbell curls and then go to failure with hammer rope curls. Stuff like that. But for strength, everything is barbell. I wouldn't spend a ton extra for the cable accessories but if they're on whatever you find then might add well incorporate them.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 3:03:16 PM EDT
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Anyone know where I could find a cage with cables as well so that I could do pull downs and rows? Looking to stay in the $500 neighborhood. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. Do chins and pull-ups from your new cage. Use your barbell for rows. Cable set ups under $500 are usually pretty crappy. Powerline has lat pull attachment that basically doubles the price, but like frayed said, save the money for more weight or a seminar, do chins/pull ups or get some rings, row the bar, etc. http://www.bodysolid.com/Home/PPR200X/Powerline_Power_Rack I had this one for about two years, it's a decent starter rack for the $300 range but there is better out there. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 4:23:29 PM EDT
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What you guys think of this power rack?
http://www.fitnessfactoryoutlet.com/store/Body-Solid-Pro-Power-Rack.html?gclid=CPfKx_mOycMCFQiHaQodhygABg |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 4:49:31 PM EDT
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Benching is going to be awkward in that setup, the lat pulldown won't let you put the bench all the way in the rack.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 5:46:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What you guys think of this power rack? http://www.fitnessfactoryoutlet.com/store/Body-Solid-Pro-Power-Rack.html?gclid=CPfKx_mOycMCFQiHaQodhygABg I'll post a review?
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Posted: 2/4/2015 6:28:48 PM EDT
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I'll admit that I use a Smith Machine similar to the one pictured for two exercises.
Load the bar and do standing calf raises. Use the pulley for face pulls |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 7:39:34 PM EDT
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I'll admit that I use a Smith Machine similar to the one pictured for two exercises. Load the bar and do standing calf raises. Use the pulley for face pulls That is different then buying it because it is "safer" for benching and squating. There are a few exersices that can be done on a Smith machine if you also have access to a power rack. But to have only the smith machine I think the OP would be better off getting a power cage. |
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Posted: 2/5/2015 12:02:46 PM EDT
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What you guys think of this power rack? http://www.fitnessfactoryoutlet.com/store/Body-Solid-Pro-Power-Rack.html?gclid=CPfKx_mOycMCFQiHaQodhygABg I'll post a review? Cool, I'd appreciate it. I'm doing other things this weekend with the fitness section of my basement anyways so I can definitely wait. |
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Posted: 2/6/2015 10:29:47 AM EDT
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My take on a Smith...if that's all you got, it's better than nothing - just be ready to out grow it's usefulness.
January of last year was when I made the switch to Stronglifts at my 24hr Gym (SNAP)...and had to use the Smith for Squats and Bench. It was alright, because I started from scratch at 45lbs. There was several weeks where I did real barbel squats (Dip Station held the bar) but I always benched in the Smith. Most I benched then was 175lbs 5x5 Now am at a "real" gym, on a 5/3/1 program. DL 460/SQ 335 PR's in November...bench was only 205lbs at that meet. I seriously struggle with stability when i get around 200lbs on the bar...and I could blame the Smith for teaching me improper Bench for all those months, and now having to "relearn". |
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Posted: 2/9/2015 9:32:08 AM EDT
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What you guys think of this power rack? http://www.fitnessfactoryoutlet.com/store/Body-Solid-Pro-Power-Rack.html?gclid=CPfKx_mOycMCFQiHaQodhygABg I'll post a review? Oooooooooooooohhh you dick nose. They are literally 20min up the road from me. If I didn't have my gym available, I would be saving for one of those instead of a new SBR upper.
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Posted: 2/9/2015 10:12:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oooooooooooooohhh you dick nose. They are literally 20min up the road from me. If I didn't have my gym available, I would be saving for one of those instead of a new SBR upper. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What you guys think of this power rack? http://www.fitnessfactoryoutlet.com/store/Body-Solid-Pro-Power-Rack.html?gclid=CPfKx_mOycMCFQiHaQodhygABg I'll post a review? Oooooooooooooohhh you dick nose. They are literally 20min up the road from me. If I didn't have my gym available, I would be saving for one of those instead of a new SBR upper. I am really starting to Get Serious and even though I hit my gym pretty much every day...some days I can't, and some days I wanna lift in the evenings or on sundays or at odd times and I said, you know, fuck it. 430 bucks shipped for a, by all accounts, bitchin' power rack...game on! |
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Posted: 2/9/2015 12:09:35 PM EDT
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Once upon a time I had a Marcy rack similar to that first one. It was pretty well built but the smith machine was a complete pain in the ass to use and was really not very well made IMO.
I got rid of that and got a rack off craigslist that just happened to have a lat tower attachment. I hardly ever use the lat tower. Occasionally use it for tricep presses with a rope handle. To work lats I do chins and pullups. The cage is sooooo much better and pretty much idiot proof as long as you get your safeties adjusted correctly. |
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Posted: 2/15/2015 5:31:41 PM EDT
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Well, I have been preparing my basement by placing down rubber matting I bough from Tractor Supply Company for the workout area. I'm planning at this point to go with a Powerline PPR200X Cage with the Lat Attachment eventually.
You guys have firmly sold me on the power rack and I'm glad I kept an open mind. |
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Posted: 2/15/2015 6:11:21 PM EDT
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Good man. Now join us in the 5/3/1 thread and get hooge.
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Posted: 2/15/2015 6:32:18 PM EDT
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It gets delivered todaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. I am much excite. I am really starting to Get Serious and even though I hit my gym pretty much every day...some days I can't, and some days I wanna lift in the evenings or on sundays or at odd times and I said, you know, fuck it. 430 bucks shipped for a, by all accounts, bitchin' power rack...game on! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What you guys think of this power rack? http://www.fitnessfactoryoutlet.com/store/Body-Solid-Pro-Power-Rack.html?gclid=CPfKx_mOycMCFQiHaQodhygABg I'll post a review? Oooooooooooooohhh you dick nose. They are literally 20min up the road from me. If I didn't have my gym available, I would be saving for one of those instead of a new SBR upper. I am really starting to Get Serious and even though I hit my gym pretty much every day...some days I can't, and some days I wanna lift in the evenings or on sundays or at odd times and I said, you know, fuck it. 430 bucks shipped for a, by all accounts, bitchin' power rack...game on! Any review yet? |
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Posted: 2/15/2015 6:47:24 PM EDT
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Good man. Now join us in the 5/3/1 thread and get hooge. Is there a good I-Phone APP for that? |
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Posted: 2/15/2015 7:03:43 PM EDT
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Think so. Also a book, well worth the $10-20 for eBook or otherwise on hamazon
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Posted: 2/15/2015 10:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any review yet? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It gets delivered todaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. I am much excite. I am really starting to Get Serious and even though I hit my gym pretty much every day...some days I can't, and some days I wanna lift in the evenings or on sundays or at odd times and I said, you know, fuck it. 430 bucks shipped for a, by all accounts, bitchin' power rack...game on! Any review yet? Longer review: It definitely needs to be anchored before I do jack shit with it, but my dad skipped town last week and took his hammer drill with him. :( |
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Posted: 2/15/2015 11:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My take on a Smith...if that's all you got, it's better than nothing - just be ready to out grow it's usefulness. January of last year was when I made the switch to Stronglifts at my 24hr Gym (SNAP)...and had to use the Smith for Squats and Bench. It was alright, because I started from scratch at 45lbs. There was several weeks where I did real barbel squats (Dip Station held the bar) but I always benched in the Smith. Most I benched then was 175lbs 5x5 Now am at a "real" gym, on a 5/3/1 program. DL 460/SQ 335 PR's in November...bench was only 205lbs at that meet. I seriously struggle with stability when i get around 200lbs on the bar...and I could blame the Smith for teaching me improper Bench for all those months, and now having to "relearn". |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 1:18:21 PM EDT
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I just order yesterday a Powerline Power Rack PPR200x, which has had good reviews online. I didn't get the latch attachment for it, but I will buy that later.
I also purchased an IronMaster Super Bench, which is pretty damn cool. You can get about a million and one attachment for it. I have coming with it the crunch/sit-up attachment and I'll probably get the dip station attachment and definitely the preacher curl attachment for it. Been using Tractor Supply Plus rubber flooring for the gym floor of my man cave workout room. Should be pretty cool when I get it done. |
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