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Posted: 5/2/2016 6:27:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tfblkhwkguy]
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/HAL5DqNJd9s[/youtube] [youtube]https://youtu.be/txAQXKeM2JE[/youtube] [youtube]https://youtu.be/u8vipU2Ks90[/youtube]  Precision Rifle - 6.5 Creedmoor Upgrades  Precision Rifle - Lilja 20" 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:05:47 PM EDT
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That was a great series, OP. Excellent! How many rounds have you put through your rifle and what Ammo are you shooting? Rifle performing well? I am 99% certain that I will chamber my LRP in Creedmoor once the .260 goes Tango Uniform.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:26:21 PM EDT
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OST. I need to sit down and watch all of these again. My Criterion 6.5 barrel came in today. I haven't looked at it yet because I've been at the hospital since yesterday with my brand new baby girl
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALex:
That was a great series, OP. Excellent! How many rounds have you put through your rifle and what Ammo are you shooting? Rifle performing well? I am 99% certain that I will chamber my LRP in Creedmoor once the .260 goes Tango Uniform. Only have 20 rounds through the Christensen Arms barrel but I'll be headed to the range again this weekend hopefully. The 20 I shot through it was Prime 130gr but I have Hornady ELD coming in tomorrow and we'll see what my rifle likes best. Every round through this rifle will be documented on video as well. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:49:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
OST. I need to sit down and watch all of these again. My Criterion 6.5 barrel came in today. I haven't looked at it yet because I've been at the hospital since yesterday with my brand new baby girl Well CONGRATULATIONS BUD! |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:05:11 AM EDT
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Awesome videos. Just watched them all.
I also lap my receiver faces vertically for the reason you listed. I noticed on the AR15 lapping tool that there is a recessed channel to catch any lapping compound to prevent it from getting too far into the upper. I will ultrasonic clean my uppers if I need to get the compound off. I also will use acetone or isopropyl alcohol to remove compound from the threads before check-fitting my barrel nut. I really like the way you used another pivot pin to captivate your detent and spring for the pivot pin install, and I have a .250" tool for this on the AR15, but this is an excellent trick for the larger pin on the SR25/AR10/LR-308 series if you have an extra. I also do that procedure with the receiver vertically. Another thing I do to get rid of the slop between the extension and the extension tunnel in the upper is Cerakote. I will degrease, blast, and Cerakote all the main external surface parts of the gun, to include the upper and lower. I build up Cerakote inside the tunnel to create more of an interference fit when it comes time to install, and I also use Blue Loc tite, which is easy to remove when pulling the barrel down the road. There is also a lot of bolt work to be done, and de-edging, blending, and polishing of the feed ramps on the extension. I occlude the chamber with a piece of foam I made when doing that. For the gas block, I measure the location from the barrel shoulder aft of the gas block journal to the center of the gas port, then measure the rear edge of the block to the center of the gas port inside the block, which is usually .125" with most manufacturers. I set the gas block location based on proper alignment of the ports. I also bed the gas tube into the gas block. I align and bed the gas block after installing the barrel nut, checking the gas tube alignment with an empty carrier so tube and key don't bind or clip. For the muzzle device, I don't use torque. Those are some of the better videos I have seen lately, Task Force Crash Hawk Guy. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:06:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
OST. I need to sit down and watch all of these again. My Criterion 6.5 barrel came in today. I haven't looked at it yet because I've been at the hospital since yesterday with my brand new baby girl Haha, congratulations. The barrel can wait. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Task Force Crash Hawk Guy. LMFAO! |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 5:13:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tfblkhwkguy:
LMFAO! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tfblkhwkguy:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Task Force Crash Hawk Guy. LMFAO! I'll take Military Acronyms for 500, Alex. Your groups are pretty sweet as well. I'm trying to think of a rear bag solution for you that will work. Need time to digest it for a while. I've been seeing really good performance from the Winchester 6.5 Creedmoor factory load, especially in at least one gas gun. The thing that really boggles the mind is that CA chose to use a MLGS with a 20" 6.5 CM barrel. When asked about it, they said customer demand for the gas block to be covered was the deciding factor. Port pressure has got to be in the Captain Insano territory, probably close to 40,000psi, whereas the AR10 was designed to run with ~17,000psi on a RLGS. Hopefully that buffer you have will tame unlocking time down. What does it weigh, and how does it work? |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 6:10:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DarkDrifter]
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Barrel looks like mid length gas system?? I think this is it:
https://www.rainierarms.com/christensen-arms-ca-10-carbon-barrel-assembly-6-5-creedmoor-barrel-20 What were they smoking when they released a barrel chambered in such an overbore cartridge like 6.5CM in mid length gas!? Others are doing the opposite. Rifle length or longer. Hopefully it can be tamed. Definitely looks like it is going to shoot. ETA: Didn't see post above, oops Should consider using mold release or some regular/neutral shoe polish when you apply the bedding compound/gasket shellac. Will prevent compound from sticking to whatever it is applied to, and your rifle will smell like a freshly polished shoe I guess... |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
I'm trying to think of a rear bag solution for you that will work. Need time to digest it for a while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Originally Posted By tfblkhwkguy:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Task Force Crash Hawk Guy. LMFAO! I'm trying to think of a rear bag solution for you that will work. Need time to digest it for a while. LRRPF52, I'm in the process of drawing something up and sending off to Mark LaRue that may solve this. It's something that will benefit all shooters. If it works it's a pretty easy after market product for a certain stock. Still needs to tame the muzzle jump. I was thinking of the old M1A slings that can be made into a loop. Not sure if you were ever taught that method in any of the Sniper schools but after one school where I learned this I went out and picked up a bunch of the slings and put them on all my rifles. I spoke w/50% via IM and he said his right arm doesn't move at all. So that kinda changes things since the method I used was the loop around my support arm. I still think you could loop the sling on the shooting/trigger arm up near the bicep/shoulder pocket with some downward/back pressure to tame muzzle jump and have better follow through. Your thoughts? |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:55:40 PM EDT
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Thanks again for the good videos and the lapping tool. I rewatched all your videos today. I also got all the parts for my 6.5 build and put it together.
  Full specs: Aero upper and lower Criterion barrel finished by Fulton Armory Aero 308 bcg 15" MI Mlok rail SLR Sentry adjustable gas block WMD gas tube MIAD grip Larue MBT Aero LPK EFX A1 stock Tubb flatwire spring 308 rifle buffer Geissele Super Precision 34mm mount Bushnell XRS 4.5-30 with H59 reticle Vortex 34mm bubble level GG&G bipod |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Hopefully that buffer you have will tame unlocking time down. What does it weigh, and how does it work? My friend Jonathan (The Gun Collective) did a video on it: 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RANGER_556:
downward/back pressure to tame muzzle jump and have better follow through. Your thoughts? Well it was balancing on my magazine so next time I'll have it supported better and we'll see. |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 12:25:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Thanks again for the good videos and the lapping tool. I rewatched all your videos today. I also got all the parts for my 6.5 build and put it together. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=87958 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=87959 Full specs: Aero upper and lower Criterion barrel finished by Fulton Armory Aero 308 bcg 15" MI Mlok rail SLR Sentry adjustable gas block WMD gas tube MIAD grip Larue MBT Aero LPK EFX A1 stock Tubb flatwire spring 308 rifle buffer Geissele Super Precision 34mm mount Bushnell XRS 4.5-30 with H59 reticle Vortex 34mm bubble level GG&G bipod That doesn't suck. 
I'm interested to see what you think about the barrel. The wait for a Krieger....ugh. 
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Posted: 5/4/2016 3:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tfblkhwkguy:
My friend Jonathan (The Gun Collective) did a video on it:  https://youtu.be/sTH3YEQlRSoQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By tfblkhwkguy:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Hopefully that buffer you have will tame unlocking time down. What does it weigh, and how does it work? My friend Jonathan (The Gun Collective) did a video on it: https://youtu.be/sTH3YEQlRSoI can't take a review seriously with someone using a rifle that has rings placed on the receiver AND the handguard, used for accuracy testing. And does shooting on video without eye protection. YouTube video 101 type stuff to me. |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 4:15:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tfblkhwkguy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrPlayer:
rings placed on the receiver AND the handguard.........does shooting on video without eye protection.........YouTube video 101 type stuff to me. 1st statement - the scope mount IS NOT on the handrail ....lol 2nd statement - I was wearing eye pro while shooting the 6.5cm the whole video..lol Are you talking about a different video because I do admit to shooting without eye pro sometimes. Its a hard habit to kick after NOT EVER having to or be told to wear eye pro in my 12 years in the Army until the last few years when they started to issue Oakley's and guys still didn't wear them lol. Like I said, its a bad habit and Im good at remembering now. 3rd statement - YouTube 101? |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 4:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tfblkhwkguy: 1st statement - the scope mount IS NOT on the handrail ....lol 2nd statement - I was wearing eye pro while shooting the 6.5cm the whole video..lol Are you talking about a different video because I do admit to shooting without eye pro sometimes. Its a hard habit to kick after NOT EVER having to or be told to wear eye pro in my 12 years in the Army until the last few years when they started to issue Oakley's and guys still didn't wear them lol. Like I said, its a bad habit and Im good at remembering now. 3rd statement - YouTube 101? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tfblkhwkguy: Originally Posted By MrPlayer: rings placed on the receiver AND the handguard.........does shooting on video without eye protection.........YouTube video 101 type stuff to me. 1st statement - the scope mount IS NOT on the handrail ....lol 2nd statement - I was wearing eye pro while shooting the 6.5cm the whole video..lol Are you talking about a different video because I do admit to shooting without eye pro sometimes. Its a hard habit to kick after NOT EVER having to or be told to wear eye pro in my 12 years in the Army until the last few years when they started to issue Oakley's and guys still didn't wear them lol. Like I said, its a bad habit and Im good at remembering now. 3rd statement - YouTube 101? I thought he was talking about Jonathan's video. I'm also bad about eyepro. I hate the image distortion that I see, even in Oakley's. |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 6:01:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
I thought he was talking about Jonathan's video. I'm also bad about eyepro. I hate the image distortion that I see, even in Oakley's. Ah....I feel like an ass now...sorry |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 6:04:35 PM EDT
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It happens. I totally missed your screen name until I saw the 160th SOAR in your signature. What year did you retire? |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 6:29:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
It happens. I totally missed your screen name until I saw the 160th SOAR in your signature. What year did you retire? I was medically retired in 2010 |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 6:50:53 PM EDT
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OST - thanks for the vids and info. I'm about a two weeks away from my Krieger in 6.5 being ready!
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Posted: 5/5/2016 3:58:35 PM EDT
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Great video series tfblkhwkguy.
Very informative and helpful. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 4:33:49 PM EDT
[#23]
I approve of this thread.
Thanks |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 5:53:17 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
OST - thanks for the vids and info. I'm about a two weeks away from my Krieger in 6.5 being ready! I couldnt afford the Krieger at the time, so I'm a lil jealous.
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Posted: 5/5/2016 5:55:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RWM:
I couldnt afford the Krieger at the time, so I'm a lil jealous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RWM:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
OST - thanks for the vids and info. I'm about a two weeks away from my Krieger in 6.5 being ready! I couldnt afford the Krieger at the time, so I'm a lil jealous. The tax return gods smiled on me this year.
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Posted: 5/5/2016 6:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: OST - thanks for the vids and info. I'm about a two weeks away from my Krieger in 6.5 being ready! |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 6:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Where did you get the barrel? I put an order in with Krieger about a week ago, they said it's a five month wait right now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
OST - thanks for the vids and info. I'm about a two weeks away from my Krieger in 6.5 being ready! I'm getting it from Krieger; I ordered almost three months ago. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 6:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: I'm getting it from Krieger; I ordered almost three months ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By Defender3: OST - thanks for the vids and info. I'm about a two weeks away from my Krieger in 6.5 being ready! I'm getting it from Krieger; I ordered almost three months ago. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 6:28:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
What are the full barrel specs? I'm waiting on a 26" 1:8 with their standard heavy profile (.900 at the muzzle IIRC). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
OST - thanks for the vids and info. I'm about a two weeks away from my Krieger in 6.5 being ready! I'm getting it from Krieger; I ordered almost three months ago. I ordered a barrel similar to another build I saw on-line: Krieger 6.5CM, 5R, 1:8, special Palma. A Kreiger guy is going to spin it up for me with a +2 gas system and fit it to my LaRue tOBR heavy with JP Enhanced bolt and BCG. I'll probably do a 22" and it will wear a SOCOM 762-RC. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 6:48:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142:
Great video series tfblkhwkguy. Very informative and helpful. Glad you liked them. Im headed to the range tomorrow to shoot it locked down taking the human error out of it. I'll be shooting some Prime 130gr and Hornady 120gr, 140gr, & 143gr to see what it likes to eat. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 8:18:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776:
I approve of this thread. Thanks Well thank you!...lol |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 7:20:13 AM EDT
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Has anyone found a source for an AR-10 upper receiver lapping tool, beside machining one?
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Posted: 5/6/2016 7:24:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/6/2016 7:32:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/6/2016 11:39:15 AM EDT
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That rifle did not look stable at all while you were shooting. I'd say your results were spectacular considering. Excellent shooting.
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Posted: 5/6/2016 8:03:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lennyo3034:
That rifle did not look stable at all while you were shooting. I'd say your results were spectacular considering. Excellent shooting. Yeah it wasn't. Today I used a harris bipod and bean bags in the back but I was only able to get a .9" five round group with 120gr Hornady. If I knew how to upload pictures I would...lol |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 8:27:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySorry bud...I didn't know those lapping tools existed |
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Posted: 7/29/2016 1:44:22 AM EDT
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Awesome videos, thanks a ton. Will be super helpful when I go to plan and build mine.
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Posted: 7/29/2016 8:51:01 AM EDT
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Same here
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Posted: 9/26/2016 12:37:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmike66:
Awesome videos, thanks a ton. Will be super helpful when I go to plan and build mine. Im glad you like the series! |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:25:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
I ordered a barrel similar to another build I saw on-line: Krieger 6.5CM, 5R, 1:8, special Palma. A Kreiger guy is going to spin it up for me with a +2 gas system and fit it to my LaRue tOBR heavy with JP Enhanced bolt and BCG. I'll probably do a 22" and it will wear a SOCOM 762-RC. I'm thinking of getting JP's barrel with their similar gas system. Have you played with yours yet? |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 5:08:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWDeity:
I'm thinking of getting JP's barrel with their similar gas system. Have you played with yours yet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWDeity:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
I ordered a barrel similar to another build I saw on-line: Krieger 6.5CM, 5R, 1:8, special Palma. A Kreiger guy is going to spin it up for me with a +2 gas system and fit it to my LaRue tOBR heavy with JP Enhanced bolt and BCG. I'll probably do a 22" and it will wear a SOCOM 762-RC. I'm thinking of getting JP's barrel with their similar gas system. Have you played with yours yet? Everything went south, long story short the Kreiger guy was let go so the project with the 6.5 for a gas gun went with him. I have the barrel and it will probably go on my bolt gun. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 5:10:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Everything went south, long story short the Kreiger guy was let go so the project with the 6.5 for a gas gun went with him. I have the barrel and it will probably go on my bolt gun. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By AWDeity: Originally Posted By Defender3: I ordered a barrel similar to another build I saw on-line: Krieger 6.5CM, 5R, 1:8, special Palma. A Kreiger guy is going to spin it up for me with a +2 gas system and fit it to my LaRue tOBR heavy with JP Enhanced bolt and BCG. I'll probably do a 22" and it will wear a SOCOM 762-RC. I'm thinking of getting JP's barrel with their similar gas system. Have you played with yours yet? Everything went south, long story short the Kreiger guy was let go so the project with the 6.5 for a gas gun went with him. I have the barrel and it will probably go on my bolt gun. |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 10:06:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWDeity:
I'm thinking of getting JP's barrel with their similar gas system. Have you played with yours yet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWDeity:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
I ordered a barrel similar to another build I saw on-line: Krieger 6.5CM, 5R, 1:8, special Palma. A Kreiger guy is going to spin it up for me with a +2 gas system and fit it to my LaRue tOBR heavy with JP Enhanced bolt and BCG. I'll probably do a 22" and it will wear a SOCOM 762-RC. I'm thinking of getting JP's barrel with their similar gas system. Have you played with yours yet? Yes I have and its in my latest video.Ive got it tuned very nicely! |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 12:17:59 AM EDT
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Awesome vids, I would tell you not to quit but that's unnecessary .... NSDQ!
Will use this as a reference for my next build, being a 6.5C. Thank you for your service, BTW. |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 8:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815:
Awesome vids, I would tell you not to quit but that's unnecessary .... NSDQ! Will use this as a reference for my next build, being a 6.5C. Thank you for your service, BTW. Thank you |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 12:43:07 AM EDT
[#47]
Great video. Think I might give the cts a try in my current 6.5c build
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Posted: 10/7/2016 9:27:43 PM EDT
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Thanks for the videos, bro. Top notch production & information quality.
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Posted: 10/9/2016 8:47:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By paulwal:
Thanks for the videos, bro. Top notch production & information quality. Thank you and Im glad you like them. |
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Posted: 11/5/2016 8:46:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tfblkhwkguy:
Yes I have and its in my latest video.Ive got it tuned very nicely! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tfblkhwkguy:
Originally Posted By AWDeity:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
I ordered a barrel similar to another build I saw on-line: Krieger 6.5CM, 5R, 1:8, special Palma. A Kreiger guy is going to spin it up for me with a +2 gas system and fit it to my LaRue tOBR heavy with JP Enhanced bolt and BCG. I'll probably do a 22" and it will wear a SOCOM 762-RC. I'm thinking of getting JP's barrel with their similar gas system. Have you played with yours yet? Yes I have and its in my latest video.Ive got it tuned very nicely! You're tuned with the adaptive buffer, correct? |
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