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Posted: 2/20/2017 10:09:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dj1975232]
What muzzle devices do you guys use? I am picking up a Savage Model 10 PC and it comes with a brake. I did some research and it turns out it is this brake Brake Looks like it is designed to just be loud and obnoxious. Would I be better off just finding a thread protector or a moderate comp/brake? It's just a .308 so I'm not sure a brake is necessary but I am not aware of the effects of muzzle devices on precision bolt guns. Am I better off with nothing?
ETA: I live in a crappy state that does not allow suppressors for any reason (Hope that changes in the future) so a suppressor mount is not a viable option at this point. |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 10:39:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Area 419 Hellfire.
Most effective design I've tried, and I've tried quite a few. It also has a much more simple to use self timing process than other brakes. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 8:14:09 AM EDT
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Another option that is not as brutal to the shooter but still very effective is the Patriot Valley Arms Mad Scientist brake. It's self timing and easy to install.
http://patriotvalleyarms.com/pva-mad-scientist-brake/ On a rifle. 
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Posted: 2/21/2017 8:57:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: popnfresh]
[#3]
Looks like the port on that Loudener is too big to be very effective.
People use brakes on 6.5s all the time so if a 6.5 needs a brake then so does a .308. Zero recoil would be ideal. With that being said, take it off and shoot it. If you don't need to spot your shots or quick follow ups you probably don't really need a brake, just buy a $15 thread protector. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:05:16 AM EDT
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A PA little bastard or Suppressor....and yes you should use some type of muzzle device on that 308 if you hope to see your splash to spot misses and desire quick follow up shots.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:16:10 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dag34:
A PA little bastard or Suppressor....and yes you should use some type of muzzle device on that 308 if you hope to see your splash to spot misses and desire quick follow up shots. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 10:21:06 AM EDT
[#6]
OP can't have a can anyways.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2017 11:15:27 AM EDT
[#7]
Muzzle brakes will reduce your recoil by about 50% depending on brand.
Your gun will get about 100% louder 
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Posted: 2/21/2017 5:31:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regency:
Muzzle brakes will reduce your recoil by about 50% depending on brand. Your gun will get about 100% louder I feel I may be in the minority but I am not okay with this. I try to wear hearing protection all the time but I still don't want to bother my neighbours. I will take recoil over noise. If I could get a can I would be all over that. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2017 6:12:36 PM EDT
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I agree, I hate to be annoying at a range... especially indoors. I own a suppressor but the problem is my groups start to really open up and I get flyers once my suppressor gets a little warm. I wish I could say it was just me, but there is a huge difference in my accuracy and groups.
If your neighbors are more than 100-200yds away, then I don't think they will notice a sound difference brake or no brake... |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:32:30 PM EDT
[#10]
My main thing is not being that guy at the range that nobody can shoot next to. The outdoor range I use most has benches every three or four feet so we are pretty close together. If I can find something that improves recoil that would be great but not the loudest on the market.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2017 10:58:08 PM EDT
[#11]
I've used those $20-$30 muzzle brakes that you could get off amazon before and they worked great. Now I use the ASR's so I can have the QD feature.
I may be wrong, but I think those real pricey brakes are excessively priced. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2017 1:37:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: shotdown]
[#12]
I have used the APA Little Bastard and have recently picked up the Area 419 Hellfire brake. They reduce recoil about 50% and makes it easier for follow up shots.
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Posted: 2/22/2017 5:38:28 AM EDT
[#13]
A2.
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Posted: 2/22/2017 8:58:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beneviolence:
I've used those $20-$30 muzzle brakes that you could get off amazon before and they worked great. Now I use the ASR's so I can have the QD feature. I may be wrong, but I think those real pricey brakes are excessively priced. There's a lot more machining that goes into them, and if you shot one side by side with a suppressor mount it makes a huge difference. It isn't needed for everyone, but for those who want it its and edge you have to have. For me it is all about spotting my own shots. Just going out to bang steel it is nice, but not necessarily a must have. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 9:22:48 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TeeRex:
A can works nowhere near as well as a good brake for recoil reduction. A good brake gives you a tiny little jolt and the rifle barely moves. A can makes it more of a gentle push. I rarely use my cans for precision stuff because I like to be able to see my own shots I am aware of the differences and each device offers different benefits. I ran a muzzle brake last year at PRS comps and I am going with a can this year. Hell I might switch back, but not getting beat up by my own gun via noise and pressure is a huge benefit to me. I have been around too many explosions, my head starts swimming on day 2. That's just me. But OP, just about anything on the muzzle will help. The difference is dramatic when adding a simple brake over a bare muzzle. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 9:37:13 AM EDT
[#16]
Good luck with the can. Some advice. Check that it's tight before every stage and make sure to have a good cover for it to help mirage. Also taking it off between stages can help the can cool faster.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2017 11:53:07 AM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By dj1975232:
What muzzle devices do you guys use? <snip> Am I better off with nothing? I don't use one, up through 30-06. Are you better off with one: I don't know, and you did not define "better". But when I am shooting next to you, I really do not like being blasted by your fire. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 1:06:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Depends on what it's for. I am sensitive to blast as well but still run brakes on guns that will see competition. Everything else gets something like a warcomp that helps but isn't nearly as loud as a brake.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2017 2:30:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Ive used these for years and the plain old A2.
Phantom Comp MB. 
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Posted: 2/23/2017 9:12:56 PM EDT
[#20]
Anyone have any experience with the Badger FTE? Some of the testing I'm finding seems to put that middle of the road balance of recoil reduction and not being the loudest thing on firing line.
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Posted: 2/25/2017 5:16:19 PM EDT
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APA little bastard is a little louder than the Badger FTE and noticeably better at recoil reduction.
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Posted: 2/27/2017 9:53:13 PM EDT
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I have the 223 version and it works amazingly well!
http://www.miculek.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=28 |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 12:35:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tranquility]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regency:
If your neighbors are more than 100-200yds away, then I don't think they will notice a sound difference brake or no brake... Are you sure about that? If a brake makes a rifle sound noticably louder when you are right next to it would it also not sound louder from further away? I'm asking because I don't know and I would really like to be able to spot my rounds better but noise is a big factor. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 9:04:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: popnfresh]
[#24]
DT.
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Posted: 3/1/2017 9:07:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roddy556:
Are you sure about that? If a brake makes a rifle sound noticably louder when you are right next to it would it also not sound louder from further away? I'm asking because I don't know and I would really like to be able to spot my rounds better but noise is a big factor. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 10:41:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
It is not making anything louder, it just redirects the sound toward the rear and sides. In that case it may even make it sound quieter to people in the area if it disperses the sound. This is very good test of noise differences with different muzzle brakes but it didn't really answer my specific question: http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/08/07/muzzle-brakes-sound-test/ I have considered building a box to shoot through that would muffle the sound. Suppressors are 100% prohibited here. There is a petition going around to try to change that but I don't have high hopes. To be able to shoot on my property with out having to worry that people for a mile around can hear it is my goal. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 11:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roddy556:
I have considered building a box to shoot through that would muffle the sound. Suppressors are 100% prohibited here. There is a petition going around to try to change that but I don't have high hopes. To be able to shoot on my property with out having to worry that people for a mile around can hear it is my goal. 
I bet you could make something that would work fairly well. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 11:56:07 AM EDT
[#28]
A2 and AAC suppressor mounts, That's it.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2017 8:51:12 AM EDT
[#29]
Precision Armament M4-72 on my .308.
Outstanding... |
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Posted: 4/16/2017 10:24:18 AM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2017 11:33:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Reorx]
[#31]
Originally Posted By dj1975232:
...It's just a .308... Am I better off with nothing? IMO, the only muzzle device worth putting on a 308 is a suppressor and it doesn't seem as though one is in the cards for you in the near future... Failing that, a thread protector has my vote.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:56:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Nordic Components Corvette brake. Doesn't increase the noise too badly and seems to be effective. It isn't expensive at all either.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 8:12:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TeeRex:
Area 419 Hellfire. Most effective design I've tried, and I've tried quite a few. It also has a much more simple to use self timing process than other brakes. I know a 130 grain bullet can kick since I have a .270. (and more powder with a lighter gun) |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2017 9:36:34 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By dj1975232:
What muzzle devices do you guys use? a) crown b) flash supressor |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2017 9:57:41 PM EDT
[#35]
SAS Reaper/Barricade/Reaper MX's
SAS Tomb - minimal shift can on vs off and the recoil reduction was better than I anticipated. TBAC 30p-1's I'll probably get a Gen 2 APA lil bastard for one of my comp rifles. Those brakes work great when you want to go loud and proud. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:11:42 AM EDT
[#36]
Where is a good place to send a barreled action too for an install?
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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:30:17 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harv24:
Where is a good place to send a barreled action too for an install? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2017 7:56:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regency:
I agree, I hate to be annoying at a range... especially indoors. I own a suppressor but the problem is my groups start to really open up and I get flyers once my suppressor gets a little warm. I wish I could say it was just me, but there is a huge difference in my accuracy and groups. If your neighbors are more than 100-200yds away, then I don't think they will notice a sound difference brake or no brake... I'd have my barrel threads checked and, if they are ok, send email can back to the manufacturer. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2017 9:05:12 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roddy556:
I feel I may be in the minority but I am not okay with this. I try to wear hearing protection all the time but I still don't want to bother my neighbours. I will take recoil over noise. If I could get a can I would be all over that. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2017 9:32:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: zach_]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MitchAlsup:
I don't use one, up through 30-06. Are you better off with one: I don't know, and you did not define "better". But when I am shooting next to you, I really do not like being blasted by your fire. ETA - Fuck it. I want a brake. I am sending my stick for threads when I can arrange a drop off time. I can't decide between the little bastard II, PA M4-72, and a few others I have read about. I will wait until I see the rifle post thread job. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:34 PM EDT
[#41]
PWS FSC30. Works very well on my AR10 build. Check out youtube videos of it, lots of recoil comparisons.
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Posted: 4/25/2017 7:05:37 AM EDT
[#42]
I just put a Surefire Procomp 762 on mine. I just wanted something that would help keep me on target and that would help spot hits easier. So far its worked great, and was well worth the money. I didn't want to sped $150-200 on an all out competition brake, seems overkill for me at least...
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2017 6:52:47 PM EDT
[#43]
I want to put a muzzle brake on my Savage 6.5 creedmoor to remove as much recoil as possible so my daughter can shoot it ...she shoots 5.56 with no problem. .....I thinking either the PVA Mad Scientist or APA lil bastard.....anyone have any thoughts and best place to buy either? Thanks....
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Posted: 5/21/2017 6:55:39 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Onlyaspike:
I want to put a muzzle brake on my Savage 6.5 creedmoor to remove as much recoil as possible so my daughter can shoot it ...she shoots 5.56 with no problem. .....I thinking either the PVA Mad Scientist or APA lil bastard.....anyone have any thoughts and best place to buy either? Thanks.... |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2017 9:32:46 AM EDT
[#45]
A good brake is more effective..and I could not give a damn if the gun annoys my neighbor, makes him uncomfortable, or causes him sadness. I am there to shoot, not further social relations.
That being said, I shoot with a can, because I like it better. And yes, a 308 absolutely needs a device....hell, a 223 needs a brake or can to be able to spot your shots effectively. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:41:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FALex]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beneviolence:
I've used those $20-$30 muzzle brakes that you could get off amazon before and they worked great. Now I use the ASR's so I can have the QD feature. I may be wrong, but I think those real pricey brakes are excessively priced. If you're truly wanting a precision rifle, and you're spending thousands of dollars on the system, why would you suddenly go cheap on some Chinese made pile of ass? I promise you, the Chinese brakes are not made with precision. Suffice to say, yes, you are wrong. Dead wrong. OP - I run a Big Chubby on my .260. Outstanding brake, I have friends running the Mad Scientist, JEC brake, Badger FTE (clamp on) and Little Bastards from APA. They all seem to work very well. To the guy who said .308 doesn't need a brake...I'd also label you as being wrong. Do you know how many people I see shooting these little 6mm rifles with monster brakes on them? Shitloads of them. Why? As stated before, the device assists shooters in recoil management. This is particularly crucial when the shooter is not shooting off of a bench or proned out, maybe off of a fence post, or something silly, such as a noose! Shit, I put brakes on my .223's. Again, I am in the "why would you not" crowd. I don't see any arguments against outside of the "courtesy" issue, which, IMHO, is not an issue for myself. For others? Maybe, but not for myself. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 9:42:34 PM EDT
[#47]
what's the most common thread size for a brake on a .308 cal barrel. I have a Remington 700P with a heavy 24" barrel?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:38:15 PM EDT
[#48]
Area 419
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Posted: 6/2/2017 8:05:38 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harv24:
what's the most common thread size for a brake on a .308 cal barrel. I have a Remington 700P with a heavy 24" barrel? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2017 7:43:50 AM EDT
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A couple of can users at ranges I use said the brakes they used prior to getting their cans, or their quick release brake currently on their gun opens up their groups significantly. Is that a problem with specific brakes? Can a bad thread job cause the same problem?
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