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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:05:16 PM EDT
... Is training with a target 1/5th the side of a standard target the same as shooting to 1000? Or does the lack of actual distance reduce the impact of environmental factors on the bullet making it less difficult and not a fair comparison?
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Not a fair comparison.
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It can't really be compared. Wind has much more effect at range and any miscalculations are more severe at longer ranges.
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Shoot a 22lr at 200 and it will let you feel the wind a little more.
Otherwise you can still practice the more important stuff: getting into position and getting a shot off quickly, transitioning between targets, holding and dialing etc |
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Originally Posted By taliv:
Shoot a 22lr at 200 and it will let you feel the wind a little more. Otherwise you can still practice the more important stuff: getting into position and getting a shot off quickly, transitioning between targets, holding and dialing etc View Quote Yes. I will do a lot of this, I just wish that the terrain around here allowed for longer ranges. Looks like Ill be in for a trip if I want to shoot any significant range. |
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Where in SC are you?
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Originally Posted By Panther1911:
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE PHA TENNESSEE SQUIRE The Volvo Mobile Mystery Tent Tour is at the beach. |
Bluffton
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Originally Posted By Panther1911:
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE PHA TENNESSEE SQUIRE The Volvo Mobile Mystery Tent Tour is at the beach. |
Originally Posted By VolvotechT5:
Same. Where is a 200 yard place? Private property? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By VolvotechT5:
Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Bluffton Same. Where is a 200 yard place? Private property? Yeah my house. Also, I have heard of a 300 yard rage at a private club called dos lupes. I don't think that is significant enough an improvement to warrant paying the fees and leaving my yard. |
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Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Yeah my house. Also, I have heard of a 300 yard rage at a private club called dos lupes. I don't think that is significant enough an improvement to warrant paying the fees and leaving my yard. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Originally Posted By VolvotechT5:
Originally Posted By JohnTlag:
Bluffton Same. Where is a 200 yard place? Private property? Yeah my house. Also, I have heard of a 300 yard rage at a private club called dos lupes. I don't think that is significant enough an improvement to warrant paying the fees and leaving my yard. Haha. Did you see the thread in the HTF for the hopes of a 1k range? |
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Originally Posted By Panther1911:
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE PHA TENNESSEE SQUIRE The Volvo Mobile Mystery Tent Tour is at the beach. |
The one in Beaufort? Yeah I saw it, it will probably be years before that is completed, if ever.
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Originally Posted By Panther1911:
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE PHA TENNESSEE SQUIRE The Volvo Mobile Mystery Tent Tour is at the beach. |
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Eh, If you can work to consistanly make small groups(sub moa) at 200 you can at least get the mechanics down on your end. Your wind skills will just be lacking is all. But using a scaled target is not really going to make a difference.
I was maxed at 200 for about 1500 rounds. I was making 30% hits on a 1.3moa plate on my second attempt at 1000yards which is very good for a 20" .308. No help, no classes, no training, no spotter. Just a lot of reading and quality practice at 100 and 200 yards. By the way learning to read wind doesn't require a shooting range or rifle. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Eh, If you can work to consistanly make small groups(sub moa) at 200 you can at least get the mechanics down on your end. Your wind skills will just be lacking is all. But using a scaled target is not really going to make a difference. I was maxed at 200 for about 1500 rounds. I was making 30% hits on a 1.3moa plate on my second attempt at 1000yards which is very good for a 20" .308. No help, no classes, no training, no spotter. Just a lot of reading and quality practice at 100 and 200 yards. By the way learning to read wind doesn't require a shooting range or rifle. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote With everything out there as far as books and video's on the subject I don't think 1000 yards is near as big a deal as it once was. Add in laser range finders, ballistic calculators, and kestrels then it really isn't that difficult. I had never shot beyond 100 yards until this year, but none the less the 2nd time I tried 1000 yards I made a first round hit with an 18" barreled ar15 chambered in 223. Of course by that point I had confirmed a lot of things at medium ranges prior to trying 1000 yards. I guess you can read wind without a range or a gun I find myself doing that a lot, but you can't really confirm you are correct without sending a round down range and seeing where it impacted. |
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Originally Posted By captrichardson:
It doesn't! Are you going to spill the beans and explain how you can do it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By captrichardson:
Originally Posted By popnfresh:
. . . . SNIP . . . . By the way learning to read wind doesn't require a shooting range or rifle. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It doesn't! Are you going to spill the beans and explain how you can do it? A Kestrel+ weather vane mount, a spotting scope, trees, weeds combined with creativity and observation will teach a ton about determining wind speed and direction. It can be as simple as carrying your Kestrel with you all the time to get a basic idea of the wind feels like and what trees, weed, etc. look like at what speed at your location. Or more complex, have a buddy holding the Kestrel in the wind at a distance while you observe his surroundings(veg.,debris,mirage) through a spotting scope. You try to determine the wind he can confirm or deny via cell phone. Or more complex yet if you are a loner. Mount the Kestrel in the weather vane, turn on data logging, syncronize times with cam corder, mount camcorder to spotting scope viewing Kestrel location, view Kestrel location through scope, call out wind predictions to camcorder. After compare call out with Kestrel Log. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Work on your positional shooting also, will be a big help. While you don't have the long range wind reading and application, all else is the same.
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Reduced target size, plus a .22 trainer helps. Once you get decent with that, try it out with subs.
It's a decent comparison, and it's great practice for reading wind, and seeing what wind can do to a bullet. Still though, nothing like getting out there with your rifle of choice. |
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I'll second a nice .22 to practice....
22 at 200-300yds is loads of fun and is great practice. |
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I have had it suggested that subsonic 22 rounds are a good way to learn wind at shorter ranges, any thoughts on this idea? It would see the slower moving small round would experience more change due to wind.
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