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Posted: 4/6/2016 7:53:44 AM EDT
[#1]
WTF kind of hunting ammo law is that? That is about the most retarded cartridge guideline I have ever seen. At least those retards in Maryland have a better definition of permitted hunting cartridges than that.
It is usually defined as a minimum caliber with a minimum ft. lbs of energy. But whatever, these days all kinds of derp is the norm. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:23:05 AM EDT
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Yep, we have convoluted rifle laws for deer. Up until 9 years ago, we had to use slug guns. After that, they allowed rifles if the bullet was at least .357" and the empty brass was between 1.16" and 1.8". When this new bill was introduced, it was .243" and up, but it ran into opposition, so they limited it to 5 cartridges to get it to pass. The deal with this new law is that the Legislature only meant to legalize .243 Win, .30-30 Win, .300 AAC Blackout,.308 Win, and .30-06 Springfield. But, they screwed up and forgot to include the actual cartridge names in the bill language, and only included the bullet diameters.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:32:00 AM EDT
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Arbitrary and maybe even capricious.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:36:06 AM EDT
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We (in Pa) have some strange hunting laws too... I think this beats all of ours though...
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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:41:07 AM EDT
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We (in Pa) have some strange hunting laws too... I think this beats all of ours though... There isn't a hunting law even close to that nonsense in PA. Two that are comprehendable but BS are Sunday hunting and semi auto rifle. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:44:54 AM EDT
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SECTION 1. IC 14-22-2-8 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE
AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land. (2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for one (1) of the following cartridges: (A) .243. (B) .30-30. (C) .300. (D) .30-06. (E) .308. (4) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (5) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020 |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:52:01 AM EDT
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lol,
In my crappy home state of ny we have laws and regulations. The laws come from the legislature and look similar to that above in format. They're usually just the framework that the regulations refer to. The regulations and codes are written by the agencies with legislative oversight and approval. That way the technical things aren't so badly hacked up as that abortion. We're far from perfect but we top that probably. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:57:46 AM EDT
[#8]
That is so messed up as to not even be funny....
243 good and 30-06 good. but the 270 is a no go? Wow - guess that they have never been shooting to know what is what..... Red 
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:00:53 AM EDT
[#9]
No .270
 Jack O Conner and P.O. Ackley laugh at such stupidity. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 1:12:43 PM EDT
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You can use the useless .30 Carbine, but not a .260 or 7mm08? Has the stupidity from Lansing, MI dripped down to IN?
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Posted: 4/6/2016 2:12:55 PM EDT
[#11]
That is hands down the stupidest hunting law I have ever read. I can understand the logic behind "no rifle" hunting zones. I can understand the logic behind hunting regulations specifying a minimum caliber/energy for cartridges.
I don't always agree with the logic, but I can at least understand the attempt. This is stupid. How could anyone say a .243 Win rifle or a .30-30 carbine is acceptable for hunting deer but a .270 Winchester is illegal.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 2:45:58 PM EDT
[#12]
Depends on what calibers you have. I happen to have a .30-30 and a .30-06. I think it's great!
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Posted: 4/6/2016 3:09:05 PM EDT
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I set up two .308 rifles in anticipation of this bill passing. As screwed up as the law is, it's a start, and definitely better than what we had. 
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Posted: 4/6/2016 3:13:20 PM EDT
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.300 ultra mag is okay, but not .270 or 45-70. Seriously stupid.
But I'll be on the look out for a used slug gun, or pistol cartidage lever action from the Hoosier state now  |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 3:49:41 PM EDT
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http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0322161850b-2_resized.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0402161554-1_resized.jpg I set up two .308 rifles in anticipation of this bill passing. As screwed up as the law is, it's a start, and definitely better than what we had. Nice looking rifles. I like the hydrodip on the Handi rifle. I'm assuming the top is a Remington 700, but what glass is on top? Is it a Viper 2.5-10? |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 4:54:29 PM EDT
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Nice looking rifles. I like the hydrodip on the Handi rifle. I'm assuming the top is a Remington 700, but what glass is on top? Is it a Viper 2.5-10? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0322161850b-2_resized.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0402161554-1_resized.jpg I set up two .308 rifles in anticipation of this bill passing. As screwed up as the law is, it's a start, and definitely better than what we had. Nice looking rifles. I like the hydrodip on the Handi rifle. I'm assuming the top is a Remington 700, but what glass is on top? Is it a Viper 2.5-10? Yes, Remington 700 AAC-SD. Good eye on the scope -- it is indeed a Viper HS 2.5-10X44. I have the same model on a Noveske 5.56 as well. The hydro-dip is Predator Fall Gray. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 5:40:45 PM EDT
[#17]
So, 7.62x25, or 300 Win Mag are both ok, but 6.8spc is not.
This is a law written by people who are utterly without clue. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 5:59:30 PM EDT
[#18]
Even if parts of it are stupid, it's better than what we have in Ohio.
I'd love to take my .30-06 out in my home state. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 7:26:36 PM EDT
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Even if parts of it are stupid, it's better than what we have in Ohio. I'd love to take my .30-06 out in my home state. You guys seem to follow our lead regarding firearms. Hang in there! |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 7:56:28 PM EDT
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So, 7.62x25, or 300 Win Mag are both ok, but 6.8spc is not. This is a law written by people who are utterly without clue. Evidently |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:44:24 PM EDT
[#21]
Why would it matter if I had 42 rounds in my pocket?
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:00:40 PM EDT
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Step in the right direction, but looks like my 300Blk SBR AR15 is still a no go, and I'll have to hunt again this year in pistol configurationwith a dedicated lower. That, or my 308 rem 700, but the heavy barrel will suck packing into the field. Dad is excited about using his 30-30.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:35:32 PM EDT
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So, 7.62x25, or 300 Win Mag are both ok, but 6.8spc is not. This is a law written by people who are utterly without clue. Those "people" are universally known as "politicians."
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:37:55 PM EDT
[#24]
I'm done complaining about a few of Nebraska's stupid gun/hunting laws after seeing that.
 Holy crap we have it easy. How was a .30-06 ever not legal for deer???
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:12:20 PM EDT
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I'm done complaining about a few of Nebraska's stupid gun/hunting laws after seeing that. Holy crap we have it easy. How was a .30-06 ever not legal for deer???2 reasons in general. Both are somewhat based on folklore, but do have some factual basis. 1) There was a period of time where the local deer herd was not healthy and numbers were very low. Restrictions on seasons and fire arms were put in place to help decrease the annual harvest to help the population recover. This resulted in essentially a shotgun slug only season and rifles were outlawed. 2) Some claimed that there was a safety risk given the chance of ricochet from high powered rifle rounds. This is more urban legend than anything, as much data exists to suggest that 12gage slugs are no safer than .30cal slugs. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 1:58:22 AM EDT
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You guys seem to follow our lead regarding firearms. Hang in there! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even if parts of it are stupid, it's better than what we have in Ohio. I'd love to take my .30-06 out in my home state. You guys seem to follow our lead regarding firearms. Hang in there! I'm not holding my breath 
I was hoping I could score a 450 Bushmaster upper for hunting here, but when they released the cartridges that were legal it read like a reloading manual from the 70's 
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Posted: 4/7/2016 7:05:08 AM EDT
[#27]
So 7.62x51 is not allowed?
Reread, 7.62x51 is ok. 
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Posted: 4/7/2016 9:43:14 AM EDT
[#28]
Just remember, what you see here is just one example of what is SOP for most any government entity. That's why this country is such a mess.
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Posted: 4/8/2016 11:25:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2016 9:43:54 AM EDT
[#30]
That has to be the dumbest set of regulations I have ever read. At least you folks get some decent rifle cartridges out of the deal.
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Posted: 4/11/2016 7:57:08 PM EDT
[#31]
But has suppressor usage been legalized for deer hunting? Originally when I saw that it was allowed for hunting, deer and turkeys were specifically not allowed.
I hope it's legal cause I'd love to take one with my suppressed .300 AAC. |
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Posted: 4/11/2016 11:03:39 PM EDT
[#32]
This bill alone could revive the .30AR!
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Posted: 4/11/2016 11:52:19 PM EDT
[#33]
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But has suppressor usage been legalized for deer hunting? Originally when I saw that it was allowed for hunting, deer and turkeys were specifically not allowed. I hope it's legal cause I'd love to take one with my suppressed .300 AAC. There is still some confusion as to if you can use it for deer. Many people believe the wording allows it, as the current laws state using a suppressor is only illegal if you are already illegally hunting (i.e. without a license, poaching, trespassing, etc.). Like many laws, it doesn't expressly state that it is legal or illegal for deer. |
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Posted: 4/12/2016 6:03:49 AM EDT
[#34]
Suppressors are legal for any and all game in Indiana.
Provides that a person who takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey: (1) unlawfully; (2) by illegal methods; or
(3) with illegal devices; while using or possessing a silencer commits a Class C misdemeanor. If you use illegal methods or devices to take a deer or turkey while in possession of a suppressor, it is a Class C misdemeanor. |
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Posted: 4/12/2016 8:03:53 AM EDT
[#35]
I'm all for it as it finally opens the door to rifles...
BUT As the OP stated, the way the legislature (Indiana Code) wrote the law & how the DNR (Indiana Administrative Code) interpreted it, is why it is so effed' up. It's still possible that the legislature will "clarify" the cartridge list this summer. So, if it were me I wouldn't run out & buy anything - until the Indiana hunting and fishing guide is out. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 1:19:43 AM EDT
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Crap, and I used to think IN wasn't a bad place. Down here in TN any centerfire cartridge is legal, SBR's are GTG and suppressors are legal.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 12:30:07 AM EDT
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My best friend goes to Indiana every year (we are in Alabama) because his fiancee's dad has a connection up there. He was never able to use his own gun, he always had to use his father-in-law's custom barreled rifle with hand loaded .35 Remingtons necked down or trimmed down or some shit. He ALMOST bought his own Thompson Center to have a custom barrel put on it just to hunt up there once a year. I'm glad to see he can just take his .308 now. I'm still SOL cause I hunt with 6.8SPC but I never got to go anyway
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Posted: 6/12/2016 8:34:07 AM EDT
[#38]
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So, 7.62x25, or 300 Win Mag are both ok, but 6.8spc is not. This is a law written by people who are utterly without clue. The 7.62x25 Tok is out. As case length must be 1.16" 25.4mm is 1" But the 6x45 for the AR would be legal (.223/5.56 necked up to .243/6mm). CD |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 2:00:46 PM EDT
[#39]
That's an improvement? Thank God and Greyhound, I live south of the Mason and Dixon!
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:24:44 AM EDT
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So 30-06 was not a legal dear round? I can kind of see .223 in some states, but 30-06?
And now .270 is still not legal.... that is one of the most proven hunting cartridges in existence, and has routinely been used on larger game than dear.... |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:33:21 PM EDT
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So 30-06 was not a legal dear round? I can kind of see .223 in some states, but 30-06? And now .270 is still not legal.... that is one of the most proven hunting cartridges in existence, and has routinely been used on larger game than dear.... Scuttlebutt is that if it goes well with the 30cal, that perhaps it could expand to include 270 and other popular rounds. Seems like a crawl before you walk, walk before you run approach. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 2:39:26 AM EDT
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Scuttlebutt is that if it goes well with the 30cal, that perhaps it could expand to include 270 and other popular rounds. Seems like a crawl before you walk, walk before you run approach. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So 30-06 was not a legal dear round? I can kind of see .223 in some states, but 30-06? And now .270 is still not legal.... that is one of the most proven hunting cartridges in existence, and has routinely been used on larger game than dear.... Scuttlebutt is that if it goes well with the 30cal, that perhaps it could expand to include 270 and other popular rounds. Seems like a crawl before you walk, walk before you run approach. The camels nose is under the tent. CD |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 10:51:34 PM EDT
[#43]
Yankees...
America's control freaks.... |
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Posted: 7/1/2016 5:35:23 PM EDT
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That is dumbest fucking list of deer rounds ever. It leaves out the fantastic .270 caliber class of rounds for one. The 270Win, 270WSM, 270Weath Mag. and even the 6.8 are all GREAT deer rounds. Plus all those 6.5 rounds also.
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Posted: 7/2/2016 9:10:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is dumbest fucking list of deer rounds ever. It leaves out the fantastic .270 caliber class of rounds for one. The 270Win, 270WSM, 270Weath Mag. and even the 6.8 are all GREAT deer rounds. Plus all those 6.5 rounds also. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 11:03:14 AM EDT
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There isn't a hunting law even close to that nonsense in PA. Two that are comprehendable but BS are Sunday hunting and semi auto rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We (in Pa) have some strange hunting laws too... I think this beats all of ours though... There isn't a hunting law even close to that nonsense in PA. Two that are comprehendable but BS are Sunday hunting and semi auto rifle. I'd rather have the ability to use some semi auto rifle than none at all. At least with Indiana's law I could use ones that I have in .308 and .300 Blackout, and I could probably get a .240 Tomahawk (6.8 necked down) or 6 Grendel upper easily. PA's no semi auto law needs to be struck down and those who have kept it in place SEVERELY punished for doing so. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:36:01 PM EDT
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When I lived in IN you were allowed to use Handguns, Muzzle Loaders, and Shotguns and that's it. I moved back to Indiana after living out west and hunting with rifles. It was hard for me to go from a rifle to a shotgun and sitting in a tree stand or ground blind. I almost gave up hunting. Glad I am living out west again.
My uncle has come out here and visited a few times and is in the process of talking my aunt to move out west somewhere. It's going to be a hard sale for her since IN is all she knows. He is tagging along with me this year for my deer hunt. I think he is more excited than I am. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:48:49 AM EDT
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Damn what a stupid regulation.
A 7mm Mag can't be used, but much less powerful rounds can be used. I couldn't use my 5.56, 6.8 SPC, or any of my 7mm08 rifles. |
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Posted: 9/2/2016 8:11:05 PM EDT
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I LOL'd for years at the states that mandated slug guns for deer hunting for fear of "richocheing bulletz flying everywhere" with no hard evidence that would happen
The only thing worse was the hunters that believed it and thought "it's different in my state/people will be killed in untold numbers" and didn't want it changed. Stupid laws like this are the result of the same unfounded fear. |
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Posted: 9/2/2016 9:02:46 PM EDT
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Even if parts of it are stupid, it's better than what we have in Ohio. I'd love to take my .30-06 out in my home state. Yeah compared to here it is a great law. |
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