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Posted: 7/17/2014 11:32:42 AM EDT
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oh and I have a Core 15 M4 Scout with a 1 in 9" twist barrell.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 11:36:51 AM EDT
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I used the 64 grain Winchester Power points last year in my Spikes. Hit a large doe through the heart/lungs and somehow dropped her within 30 yards. The round definitely has the potential to be an effective deer round. My AR is a 1/7 twist, but I wouldn't think a 1/9 twist rate would have problems stabilization 64 grain rounds. Could be wrong though.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 12:23:37 PM EDT
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Lungs-heart always.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 2:14:16 PM EDT
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Thanks guys.I have read here a 1 in 9 twist is good up to 69 grains.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 3:04:28 PM EDT
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OP, with either of those bullets just shoot them through the heart/lungs the same way you would if using a .308 Win.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 3:06:03 PM EDT
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There is a 19 page-472 response sticky on this subject right above your post
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Posted: 7/17/2014 4:02:44 PM EDT
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Dog I know about that page and have read it.I didn't want to sift through all the get a bigger calibre replies.Thanks.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:12:35 PM EDT
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I dropped a big doe and a small spike last year with a 16" 1/9 twist carbine shooting 55gr. Ballistic tips, the big doe I hit her in the neck and she was DRT. the spike I did a heart lung shot and it ran about 100 yds spraying blood everywhere as it ran. super easy to track.
both shots were at somewhere between 150 to 175 yds. Jason |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 2:59:06 PM EDT
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Try to get a good broadside shot. Something we all want and only occasionally get. Neck and head shots can be risky in hunting situations from typical field positions. I only take those from prone to make sure I am solid. Avoid anything close to a Texas heart shot.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:35:27 AM EDT
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I've killed a handful of small southern missour deer with an AR. I always use the federal loaded 60 grain partitions. They have worked very well. So well in fact, half of my camp have switched to the AR. Most of our shots are 75 yards or under
I've now switched to a 6.8, but for me both rounds kill them dead right there. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 8:09:25 PM EDT
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OP, with either of those bullets just shoot them through the heart/lungs the same way you would if using a .308 Win. Without the exit wound or blood trail that a .308 would have given in the first place, of course... 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:50:49 AM EDT
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There is a 19 page-472 response sticky on this subject right above your post He didn't ask which bullet was best, he listed 2 very good choices that are very often recommended and asked where the best place to aim is. And the correct answer, aim just like you would with any other deer hunting round. If you like neck shots then take them with the. 223, if not the good ole heart lung shot works like it has for hundreds if years. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:52:53 PM EDT
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Without the exit wound or blood trail that a .308 would have given in the first place, of course...
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OP, with either of those bullets just shoot them through the heart/lungs the same way you would if using a .308 Win. Without the exit wound or blood trail that a .308 would have given in the first place, of course...
TRG The only time I have not had an exit wound with 5.56, I used a 60gr Nosler BT, which still had enough mass to break the off side shoulder at 95 yards. The deer was dead not more than 60 feet from where it was shot. It was a very clean kill, near perfect broadside shot, but I still don't recommend that bullet for deer. However that bullet MIGHT be very good from a 10" barrel since the velocity is much lower than a 16" / 20"... I wish I knew someone who could do some gel testing on that combo. Care to explain the lack of blood trail and exit hole when using a .416 Rigby?  The truth of the matter is no caliber will absolutely guarantee an exit and a blood trail.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:52:04 PM EDT
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The only time I have not had an exit wound with 5.56, I used a 60gr Nosler BT, which still had enough mass to break the off side shoulder at 95 yards. The deer was dead not more than 60 feet from where it was shot. It was a very clean kill, near perfect broadside shot, but I still don't recommend that bullet for deer. However that bullet MIGHT be very good from a 10" barrel since the velocity is much lower than a 16" / 20"... I wish I knew someone who could do some gel testing on that combo. Care to explain the lack of blood trail and exit hole when using a .416 Rigby? The truth of the matter is no caliber will absolutely guarantee an exit and a blood trail.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, with either of those bullets just shoot them through the heart/lungs the same way you would if using a .308 Win. Without the exit wound or blood trail that a .308 would have given in the first place, of course...
TRG The only time I have not had an exit wound with 5.56, I used a 60gr Nosler BT, which still had enough mass to break the off side shoulder at 95 yards. The deer was dead not more than 60 feet from where it was shot. It was a very clean kill, near perfect broadside shot, but I still don't recommend that bullet for deer. However that bullet MIGHT be very good from a 10" barrel since the velocity is much lower than a 16" / 20"... I wish I knew someone who could do some gel testing on that combo. Care to explain the lack of blood trail and exit hole when using a .416 Rigby? The truth of the matter is no caliber will absolutely guarantee an exit and a blood trail.On top of that testimonial, I'll offer this one: The first deer I killed was with a .50 cal. Muzzle Loader. 35 yds. and the deer was trotting through the woods while I was hidden in a blow down. Shot right through the heart, didn't exit. Blood everywhere. Deer dead in the dirt within 20-30 yds from where I shot it. Again. The .50 T/C bullet didn't exit.( XTP ? ) |
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Posted: 8/2/2014 6:30:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe first deer I killed was with a .50 cal. Muzzle Loader. 35 yds. and the deer was trotting through the woods while I was hidden in a blow down. Shot right through the heart, didn't exit. Blood everywhere. Deer dead in the dirt within 20-30 yds from where I shot it. Again. The .50 T/C bullet didn't exit.( XTP ? ) I have had that same thing happen with the Hornady XTP muzzleloader, but that is a bullet fragmenting due to high impact velocity with a thin jacketed pistol bullet. I my case I hit the shoulder, found pieces of bone, significant blood trail, but never the deer. Switched to barnes solid copper and no more problems with that. For hunting I want a bullet that will penetrate a major shoulder bone on the incoming side and keep going straight through. Not as concerned about an exit, preferred by not required. |
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