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Posted: 12/19/2013 12:43:36 PM EDT
Taken this afternoon in my front yard, 12/19/13, middle of Vermont. Don't think this one is going to make it
 No mom around either, I have seen it a few times the last couple of weeks just not this close......I think my 50 # lab is bigger
4 feet outside the bedroom window 
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Posted: 12/19/2013 12:49:21 PM EDT
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Looks like its eating well. maybe it will make it.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 12:53:00 PM EDT
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If she can get in with some other does she will make it. I've seen younger in my area of Arkansas but its not that cold here so they survive.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 12:53:44 PM EDT
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I have read that a doe will continue to come in estrus until she gets bred.So..if the doesn't gets bred in the 'normal' season a fawn can be born at virtually any time during the year.
The fawn might survive IF the predators don't get it. edited for clarity...... |
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Posted: 12/19/2013 12:59:38 PM EDT
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I saw a similar one once. It was living in a wooded ravine between a Wal-Mart and a Sam's Club. I saw it a few times over the winter and into spring.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 1:38:58 PM EDT
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Looks like its eating well. maybe it will make it. I disagree. Slightly bloated belly but gaunt around the hips. Rough hair coat. She's eating twigs and filling her belly, but not with anything nutritious enough to build the fat reserves she needs take her through a long New England winter. That one is about as good as dead, I'm afraid.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 1:45:26 PM EDT
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Mom may be around, just not hanging around. Assume behavior should be somewhat similar to what I often see down here, which is during the rut, the does often leave their yearlings and are constantly on the move, trying to stay away from the horny bucks. Possible that this may be what's going on. She may return periodically to check on her fawn; hopefully she wasn't killed.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 1:47:06 PM EDT
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Got a spotted fawn on our place now.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 2:36:04 PM EDT
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Try and feed her if you can and see how she does. It's just a late born fawn and not to uncommon.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 2:37:37 PM EDT
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I disagree. Slightly bloated belly but gaunt around the hips. Rough hair coat. She's eating twigs and filling her belly, but not with anything nutritious enough to build the fat reserves she needs take her through a long New England winter. That one is about as good as dead, I'm afraid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like its eating well. maybe it will make it. I disagree. Slightly bloated belly but gaunt around the hips. Rough hair coat. She's eating twigs and filling her belly, but not with anything nutritious enough to build the fat reserves she needs take her through a long New England winter. That one is about as good as dead, I'm afraid. Going to have to go with this, unfortunately. There is no way she will be able to bulk up enough to survive the winter and she is eating our evergreens this early.....not very good for her. There is no mom around, we thought of that last week when the "late rut" would have been going on. I have killed a metric shit ton of stuff in my life, but this just makes me a little bit sad on the inside. |
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Posted: 12/19/2013 2:39:25 PM EDT
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Try and feed her if you can and see how she does. It's just a late born fawn and not to uncommon. Feeding deer is against the law in VT, as it is not good for the deer............ 
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Posted: 12/19/2013 2:41:35 PM EDT
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plenty fat it will be all set
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Posted: 12/19/2013 2:47:01 PM EDT
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let nature take its course. I manage a couple farms here in nc for deer hunting. I have seen late born fawns survive and die.
deer are extremely tough animals and have a unbelievable will to live. I think it has a 50/50 shot. if you want to help it leave it alone. |
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Posted: 12/19/2013 3:33:35 PM EDT
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let nature take its course. I manage a couple farms here in nc for deer hunting. I have seen late born fawns survive and die. deer are extremely tough animals and have a unbelievable will to live. I think it has a 50/50 shot. if you want to help it leave it alone. She's not in North Carolina and she's not on a deer farm. She's in Vermont. In the wilderness. Only thing that will save her besides artificial feeding is a very mild, short winter and a little luck. If that deer were mine to sell, I'd take damn near anything for it. |
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Posted: 12/19/2013 4:34:46 PM EDT
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Disagree if you want to... I'd be feeding it, or trying to. But to each his/her own...
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Posted: 12/19/2013 4:49:43 PM EDT
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Feeding deer is against the law in VT, as it is not good for the deer............ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Try and feed her if you can and see how she does. It's just a late born fawn and not to uncommon. Feeding deer is against the law in VT, as it is not good for the deer............ Says them and who cares what they say? 
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Posted: 12/19/2013 4:58:49 PM EDT
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She's not in North Carolina and she's not on a deer farm. She's in Vermont. In the wilderness. Only thing that will save her besides artificial feeding is a very mild, short winter and a little luck. If that deer were mine to sell, I'd take damn near anything for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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let nature take its course. I manage a couple farms here in nc for deer hunting. I have seen late born fawns survive and die. deer are extremely tough animals and have a unbelievable will to live. I think it has a 50/50 shot. if you want to help it leave it alone. She's not in North Carolina and she's not on a deer farm. She's in Vermont. In the wilderness. Only thing that will save her besides artificial feeding is a very mild, short winter and a little luck. If that deer were mine to sell, I'd take damn near anything for it. Good point. Nc winter doesn't come close to a northeast winter. I've seen deer survive in some pretty amazing ways. Had a doe lose a leg on the farm one time. I'm not sure how, but she survived and even birthed two healthy fawns the following spring. I hope the little guy makes it. Maybe somebody near by has a winter food plot and he stumbles across it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2013 4:24:42 AM EDT
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Throw some corn out and have something to look at every morning.
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Posted: 12/20/2013 5:51:11 AM EDT
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Throw some corn out and have something to look at every morning. |
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Posted: 12/20/2013 7:53:14 AM EDT
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If she sticks around your suburban area, and you guys have a low coyote population, and this winter relents, she can make it!!
cliffs: Low odds of making it. 
I've seen one fawn with spots this late in the season, and we had heavy snow that year with a pretty stout coyote population, I doubt she made it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2013 8:08:00 AM EDT
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Take it in,it could be your labs buddy.
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Posted: 12/20/2013 10:56:07 AM EDT
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Take it in,it could be your labs buddy. The local Town Assessor did just that. Had a tame whitetail fawn that used to pal around with his golden retriever. |
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Posted: 12/20/2013 12:29:14 PM EDT
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Take it in,it could be your labs buddy. Daughter already said that 
Lots of coyotes around, but they tend to stay in the woods out back......In the winter, just before dark the deer will funnel out of the woods and thru our yard and into the neighborhood for the evening, just after light, back into the woods on the same trail to spend the day. They are pretty smart in that aspect. Last 2 winters have been mild, but I do think she is a gonner with a "normal" snow year My best friend has 4 food plots around us, but in all the hunting seasons this fall, he has never seen her in one of them. The turkeys would eat us out of house and home if there was corn out |
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Posted: 12/22/2013 7:00:05 PM EDT
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She's not in North Carolina and she's not on a deer farm. She's in Vermont. In the wilderness. Only thing that will save her besides artificial feeding is a very mild, short winter and a little luck. If that deer were mine to sell, I'd take damn near anything for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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let nature take its course. I manage a couple farms here in nc for deer hunting. I have seen late born fawns survive and die. deer are extremely tough animals and have a unbelievable will to live. I think it has a 50/50 shot. if you want to help it leave it alone. She's not in North Carolina and she's not on a deer farm. She's in Vermont. In the wilderness. Only thing that will save her besides artificial feeding is a very mild, short winter and a little luck. If that deer were mine to sell, I'd take damn near anything for it. and how it is that you know that the OP is located in the "wilderness"? Middle of vermont does not mean wilderness. Also what is it that you think that a deer eats once winter sets if there are no standing crops or left overs from harvest? What they eat is "browse" which is twigs, buds etc. The majority of what a deer consumes is browse. I have never seen one with spots this late, if nothing genetic is wrong that could cause this than it was born real late. As mentioned a Doe will cycle until she is bred, can happen from Sept -Feb, never heard of MArch though . Also remember that a fawn can be bread once it reaches 80 or 90lbs. So it could have been born to a fawn that was bred real late. The deer looks perfectly fine to me. |
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Posted: 12/22/2013 9:28:37 PM EDT
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I've got one on camera from last week that's still following mom, trying to suckle. No spots, though.
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Posted: 12/22/2013 10:33:24 PM EDT
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I disagree. Slightly bloated belly but gaunt around the hips. Rough hair coat. She's eating twigs and filling her belly, but not with anything nutritious enough to build the fat reserves she needs take her through a long New England winter. That one is about as good as dead, I'm afraid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like its eating well. maybe it will make it. I disagree. Slightly bloated belly but gaunt around the hips. Rough hair coat. She's eating twigs and filling her belly, but not with anything nutritious enough to build the fat reserves she needs take her through a long New England winter. That one is about as good as dead, I'm afraid. Sounds about right :| |
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Posted: 12/24/2013 7:45:03 PM EDT
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is that an Axis fawn?
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Posted: 12/25/2013 12:52:56 PM EDT
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is that an Axis fawn? No, it is a whitetail. |
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Posted: 12/26/2013 5:20:00 AM EDT
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I have read that a doe will continue to come in estrus until she gets bred.So..if the doesn't gets bred in the 'normal' season a fawn can be born at virtually any time during the year. The fawn might survive IF the predators don't get it. edited for clarity...... not all of them will go into heat again, but yes usually if they weren't bred the first go around they will. Thats what we like to call 'second rut' 
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Posted: 12/27/2013 11:01:33 AM EDT
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My friend had one messing around in front of his stand for 1/2 an hour that he said might have been 3ft from head to tail. This was Wisconsin deer season, last week of Nov.
Its a wild animal, if it survive it survives, if it dies it dies... leave it alone, whitetails have it pretty well figured out after 3.5 million years of evolution. |
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Posted: 12/29/2013 5:38:50 PM EDT
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Hell, that's a big deer here in TX.
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Posted: 12/30/2013 12:04:14 PM EDT
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Hell, that's a big deer here in TX. 
She is still around 
Little feet...... 
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Posted: 12/31/2013 10:35:49 AM EDT
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Had one in front of a stand last year. About that size, its head would barely peek out of the CRP. I wouldn't have even seen it if she didn't shake her tail every now and then.It walked up to me when I climbed down in the late morning. Got within about 10 yards before it ran off the other way.
It's kind of sad, but nature is pretty brutal. |
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Posted: 12/31/2013 10:48:07 AM EDT
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Acroos the lake from you here in ny. Even thought the law says no feeding I would be putting something out. I may or may not be mixing all-stock with some regular animal feed and putting it out a 5 gallon pail at a time once or twice a week. With the ice storm we got here last week its going to be impossible for them to get to the ground. And unless you are literally standing 10 yards away hunting over your "feed" I dont think you will have any problems. The good part about the all stock is its brown and mixes in with the dirty ground if you don't want anybody to notice. About $11 for a 50 pound bag at any farm feed store. In the spring when things thaw out just slowly stop putting stuff out and it will makes its way back to normal
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Posted: 1/7/2014 2:30:42 AM EDT
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The ice up our way is terrible, you can walk on top with no problem. The deer are already eating the evergreens since they can't dig through the thick crust. It's going to be a long winter for them and the turkeys.
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Posted: 1/7/2014 9:36:30 AM EDT
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Acroos the lake from you here in ny. Even thought the law says no feeding I would be putting something out. I may or may not be mixing all-stock with some regular animal feed and putting it out a 5 gallon pail at a time once or twice a week. With the ice storm we got here last week its going to be impossible for them to get to the ground. And unless you are literally standing 10 yards away hunting over your "feed" I dont think you will have any problems. The good part about the all stock is its brown and mixes in with the dirty ground if you don't want anybody to notice. About $11 for a 50 pound bag at any farm feed store. In the spring when things thaw out just slowly stop putting stuff out and it will makes its way back to normal A few QDM freaks around here did the same thing in the Mount Horeb area in Dane County Wisconsin, back in the Eighties and Nineties. The feed they used had bone meal in it ("to produce bigger racks!") from prion-infected beef cattle. Now Mount Horeb is the epicenter of CWD in the Wisconsin deer herd. Just sayin'. Don't feed the damn deer. If you want to help them, thin the predators and hunt the herd selectively during the season. |
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Posted: 1/7/2014 10:11:10 AM EDT
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The ice up our way is terrible, you can walk on top with no problem. The deer are already eating the evergreens since they can't dig through the thick crust. It's going to be a long winter for them and the turkeys. She is still around and doing alright, yesterday afternoon she was finally seen with the other deer in the neighborhood. This was the first time as every time I had seen her she was by herself.......she has been seen making the rounds to all the bird feeders in the area. We did not get the ice nearly as bad as up north, and the 12 inches of snow we got the other day was melted by 52* temps and rain yesterday, we are probably down to less than 40% snow cover (off of the mountains) |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 1:15:42 PM EDT
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She is still going strong and hanging with the other deer. I put the camera on the trail where they cross our property and go into the neighborhood for the night......got them all balled up together just as they were getting ready to cross the stone wall fence. There is an apple tree at this spot that still has some apples up high, that keep falling and they dig around like crazy for them. They also seem to love the ferns in the area, we always get some great fiddleheads in the spring and it seems they are liking them also.
We have had a very cold winter so far, but the lack of snow is really helping things......there might be an inch on the ground. 
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Posted: 1/24/2014 2:23:33 AM EDT
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Thanks for the update. Glad to see she is still hanging in there.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:04:03 PM EDT
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If you want to 'feed deer' through the winter, do it right.
Forget the various animal feeds. They all have downsides. The safest and easiest method (if you have a little forested land) involves nothing more than a chain saw. Simply head out into the woods and drop a few trees. Period. Nothing else. ever notice hard browse lines about 4-5 feet above ground? Deer are reaching up as far as they can for browse. There is lots of food in the woods, but its often all out of reach. Drop a big poplar, or better yet a cedar, and stand back. In 36 hours the deer are usually all over it. The single largest deer concentration I ever saw was the result of a new power line installation in winter. Lots of trees were cut, and the tops were down where deer could get to them. This was in the Adirondacks where deer numbers are low. In this case, there were HUNDREDS of the buggers. With tree browse there is no diet changes. No worries about deer having proper intestinal flora and fauna for digestion. It's simply providing more of what they already are eating. And if its done with some thought, you are providing additional cover for deer next year. Fro |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 8:24:35 PM EDT
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If you want to 'feed deer' through the winter, do it right. Forget the various animal feeds. They all have downsides. The safest and easiest method (if you have a little forested land) involves nothing more than a chain saw. Simply head out into the woods and drop a few trees. Period. Nothing else. ever notice hard browse lines about 4-5 feet above ground? Deer are reaching up as far as they can for browse. There is lots of food in the woods, but its often all out of reach. Drop a big poplar, or better yet a cedar, and stand back. In 36 hours the deer are usually all over it. The single largest deer concentration I ever saw was the result of a new power line installation in winter. Lots of trees were cut, and the tops were down where deer could get to them. This was in the Adirondacks where deer numbers are low. In this case, there were HUNDREDS of the buggers. With tree browse there is no diet changes. No worries about deer having proper intestinal flora and fauna for digestion. It's simply providing more of what they already are eating. And if its done with some thought, you are providing additional cover for deer next year. Fro Good post! I wish more people would take heed and practice such forest/deer herd management, rather than simply dumping corn on a pile. |
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Posted: 2/3/2014 7:51:09 AM EDT
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Feeding deer is against the law and bad for the deer. |
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Posted: 2/6/2014 3:59:39 PM EDT
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[quote...snip ... I guess in VT starving is good for the deer? ...snip.... For the overall health of the entire herd? Well yes, actually it is good for the deer, (and not just in VT.). It's part of a complex process called Natural Selection, which has worked very well for countless millennium to help shape the white-tailed deer into the remarkable creature it is today. That's just the way it is... |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 6:25:54 PM EDT
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I have never seen one with spots after September in PA.
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Posted: 3/14/2014 4:22:37 PM EDT
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She is still kicking, even after one of the coldest and snowiest winters I can remember, we see her almost every day going across the yard. We got 2' of snow Wednesday/Thursday and she is moving thru it just fine, and has been hanging with all the other deer in the area all winter.
It is amazing how they survive and seem to be thriving.....she is defiantly getting bigger over the winter. They are over the "winter hump" and this last bit of snow should be gone by the end of the month. I love a happy ending 
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Posted: 3/14/2014 6:52:45 PM EDT
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Good point. Nc winter doesn't come close to a northeast winter. I've seen deer survive in some pretty amazing ways. Had a doe lose a leg on the farm one time. I'm not sure how, but she survived and even birthed two healthy fawns the following spring. I hope the little guy makes it. Maybe somebody near by has a winter food plot and he stumbles across it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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let nature take its course. I manage a couple farms here in nc for deer hunting. I have seen late born fawns survive and die. deer are extremely tough animals and have a unbelievable will to live. I think it has a 50/50 shot. if you want to help it leave it alone. She's not in North Carolina and she's not on a deer farm. She's in Vermont. In the wilderness. Only thing that will save her besides artificial feeding is a very mild, short winter and a little luck. If that deer were mine to sell, I'd take damn near anything for it. Good point. Nc winter doesn't come close to a northeast winter. I've seen deer survive in some pretty amazing ways. Had a doe lose a leg on the farm one time. I'm not sure how, but she survived and even birthed two healthy fawns the following spring. I hope the little guy makes it. Maybe somebody near by has a winter food plot and he stumbles across it. Here's Tripod; in her second winter without that hind leg. She'll be 3 this spring. 
She runs pretty good too... 
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Posted: 3/16/2014 8:19:50 PM EDT
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Daughter already said that
Lots of coyotes around, but they tend to stay in the woods out back......In the winter, just before dark the deer will funnel out of the woods and thru our yard and into the neighborhood for the evening, just after light, back into the woods on the same trail to spend the day. They are pretty smart in that aspect. Last 2 winters have been mild, but I do think she is a gonner with a "normal" snow year My best friend has 4 food plots around us, but in all the hunting seasons this fall, he has never seen her in one of them. The turkeys would eat us out of house and home if there was corn out Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Take it in,it could be your labs buddy. Daughter already said that
Lots of coyotes around, but they tend to stay in the woods out back......In the winter, just before dark the deer will funnel out of the woods and thru our yard and into the neighborhood for the evening, just after light, back into the woods on the same trail to spend the day. They are pretty smart in that aspect. Last 2 winters have been mild, but I do think she is a gonner with a "normal" snow year My best friend has 4 food plots around us, but in all the hunting seasons this fall, he has never seen her in one of them. The turkeys would eat us out of house and home if there was corn out I can help with that turkey problem.. :-) |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 4:06:26 PM EDT
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Made it!! I never thought in 100 years that this deer would make a normal winter, much less the coldest snowiest winter in ages. We still see her a few times per week but with the snow melted they are not coming into the neighborhood every night, like they did all winter. It still strikes me that she actually got bigger as the winter went on.....they really are an amazing animal.
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Posted: 4/11/2014 4:46:08 PM EDT
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Neat. They are hardy animals, for sure.
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Posted: 4/12/2014 6:26:59 PM EDT
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Made it!! I never thought in 100 years that this deer would make a normal winter, much less the coldest snowiest winter in ages. We still see her a few times per week but with the snow melted they are not coming into the neighborhood every night, like they did all winter. It still strikes me that she actually got bigger as the winter went on.....they really are an amazing animal.
<a href="http://s137.photobucket.com/user/HJF71/media/B9E01613-7251-4C40-A046-FCEE0C5743C1_zpswciltxpg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q214/HJF71/B9E01613-7251-4C40-A046-FCEE0C5743C1_zpswciltxpg.jpg</a> thanks for the update! tough little bugger was meant to be! |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 7:40:40 AM EDT
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I never had a doubt. We give deer a lot less credit than they deserve, but they're hardy creatures.
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