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Posted: 9/4/2012 8:51:28 PM
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Just did some swapping with a guy for a xts 3000r. It has an extra smart battery, desk charger, hand mic, and the mobile mount. There is a guy local who can program it so I am good there. I'm still learning all the features though. If anyone has a good reference site please let me know.

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Posted: 9/6/2012 2:35:49 AM
What's the flashcode and host/dsp?

It'll tell you if you have a paperweight or a good deal...

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Posted: 9/6/2012 7:14:16 AM
Flash code 540001-000000-4
Dsp. 08.03.05

It also has the DES-XL and DES-OFB boards
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Posted: 9/8/2012 4:10:30 PM
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Pretty cool! I got to check out one that was owned by a former rescue squad member. It was an 800 mhz unit setup to scan talkgroups and not affiliate to keep from being bricked. He had an impress battery and charger too. A big radio but very ruggedly built. What band split is yours?

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I've been pushing for my Dept to buy yellow cases for the XTS5000's for the last 5 years.

Every year we lose at least one, and replacement on that puppy is about $5,000. So I guess buying yellow would be stupid because it wouldn't look cool.
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Posted: 9/8/2012 11:08:13 PM
Originally Posted By gcw:
Flash code 540001-000000-4
Dsp. 08.03.05

It also has the DES-XL and DES-OFB boards


You did well that radio will do P25. If you want to use the crypto features you will need a keyloader configured correctly.


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Posted: 9/8/2012 11:21:18 PM
Originally Posted By gcw:
Flash code 540001-000000-4
Dsp. 08.03.05

It also has the DES-XL and DES-OFB boards


You did well that radio will do P25. If you want to use the crypto features you will need a keyloader configured correctly.


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Posted: 9/8/2012 11:46:39 PM
Originally Posted By LTCetme:
Originally Posted By gcw:
Flash code 540001-000000-4
Dsp. 08.03.05

It also has the DES-XL and DES-OFB boards


You did well that radio will do P25. If you want to use the crypto features you will need a keyloader configured correctly.




Good to know. Yeah it has a crypt mode programmed by a local guy. I need to get back to him and have him set it for my freqs. I like the zone deal.

I put it for sale on eham but I may just mount an amp behind it and put it in the truck.
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Posted: 9/10/2012 4:29:28 AM
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Originally Posted By gcw:
Originally Posted By LTCetme:
Originally Posted By gcw:
Flash code 540001-000000-4
Dsp. 08.03.05

It also has the DES-XL and DES-OFB boards


You did well that radio will do P25. If you want to use the crypto features you will need a keyloader configured correctly.




Good to know. Yeah it has a crypt mode programmed by a local guy. I need to get back to him and have him set it for my freqs. I like the zone deal.

I put it for sale on eham but I may just mount an amp behind it and put it in the truck.


Should be able to get about $400 for it... not bad..

Q806: ASTRO IMBE Digital Operation
H14: Enhanced Digital ID Display
H869: Hardware Multikey Encryption
H35: Conventional Systems Operation


Fairly limited feature set, but don't really need more on VHF.

Plus, if you know what you're doing, you can 'field upgrade' to a different flashcode, enabling more features.

The radio will NOT do P25 (9600 baud trunking), but it will do conventional digital (IMBE).

Q361 is needed for P25 (9600 baud trunking).

Don't confuse P25 with digital voice.

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Posted: 9/11/2012 12:58:30 AM
Don't confuse P25 with digital voice.


Say what?

I am a lowly scanner user, but I am sure P25 is digital voice because it has a specified vocoder, but not all digital voice systems are P25. Are you saying that not all trunk systems are digital which is correct.

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Posted: 9/11/2012 2:45:02 AM
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Originally Posted By radioshooter:
Don't confuse P25 with digital voice.


Say what?

I am a lowly scanner user, but I am sure P25 is digital voice because it has a specified vocoder, but not all digital voice systems are P25. Are you saying that not all trunk systems are digital which is correct.

RS


All P25 systems are digital.

Not all digital systems are P25.


You have a protocol, Ie P25, and a vocoder (voice encoder/decoder).

P25 can be phase 1 (FDMA) or Phase 2 (TDMA).

APCO P25 is a PROTOCOL to meet the standards of APCO Project 25. It in of itself is NOT digital voice.

You can run conventional with digital (IMBE) audio that's NOT P25. You can run a 3600 baud smartzone system with digital audio (IMBE) that's NOT P25.

Most people think that any digital audio is P25, it's not.

A 3600 baud smartzone system with IMBE (DIGITAL) voice is NOT P25, even though people will almost always call it a P25 system since it has digital voice.


Likewise, they assume a radio can 'Do P25' just because it can do digital voice.

In his case, his radio won't do ANY trunking whatsoever, hence the H35 (conventional only) option. But it's a non-issue, since VHF trunked systems are few and far between.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 12:07:41 PM

Originally Posted By gcw:
Originally Posted By LTCetme:
Originally Posted By gcw:
Flash code 540001-000000-4
Dsp. 08.03.05

It also has the DES-XL and DES-OFB boards


You did well that radio will do P25. If you want to use the crypto features you will need a keyloader configured correctly.




Good to know. Yeah it has a crypt mode programmed by a local guy. I need to get back to him and have him set it for my freqs. I like the zone deal.

I put it for sale on eham but I may just mount an amp behind it and put it in the truck.

You might want to update your eHam ad since you found out the radio doesn't do P25.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 12:23:05 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I haven't had any hits yet and I'm not to concerned, probably will end up putting it in the truck
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Posted: 9/12/2012 9:58:22 PM
You can run conventional with digital (IMBE) audio that's NOT P25. You can run a 3600 baud smartzone system with digital audio (IMBE) that's NOT P25.


Thanks for the clarification! I had assumed that the SC Palmetto 800 system's digital mode comms were P25. That is why I can't hear the newest site in my AO because I have my PRO-197 setup for P25.

DUH!!!

The discussion about the XTS-3000 is exactly why I would not buy one off the web without consulting a guru.

RS



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Posted: 9/13/2012 1:37:47 AM
Originally Posted By radioshooter:
You can run conventional with digital (IMBE) audio that's NOT P25. You can run a 3600 baud smartzone system with digital audio (IMBE) that's NOT P25.


Thanks for the clarification! I had assumed that the SC Palmetto 800 system's digital mode comms were P25. That is why I can't hear the newest site in my AO because I have my PRO-197 setup for P25.

DUH!!!

The discussion about the XTS-3000 is exactly why I would not buy one off the web without consulting a guru.

RS






Palmetto is a multi-jurisdictional P25 trunking system.

You need a radio that can do 9600 baud P25 in order to have it work.

Additionally, it's multi-site, with different control channels per zone.

In addition, some agencies (Bluffton, Port Royal, Beaufort,etc) are running encryption, which means you won't hear anything without a radio with the proper key loaded.
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Posted: 9/13/2012 11:55:32 PM
Palmetto is a multi-jurisdictional P25 trunking system.

You need a radio that can do 9600 baud P25 in order to have it work.

Additionally, it's multi-site, with different control channels per zone.

In addition, some agencies (Bluffton, Port Royal, Beaufort,etc) are running encryption, which means you won't hear anything without a radio with the proper key loaded.


I am copying most State Highway patrol traffic on analog up around Greenville, so not everything is P25 YET.

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Posted: 9/14/2012 2:29:47 AM
My sources aren't always right, but usually.

BTW, not sure if you have this or not, but.

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Posted: 9/17/2012 10:42:33 PM
That is pretty cool. I was not aware of it.

Most of my SC Pal800 and other freq info comes from Radioreference and some local sources.

RS
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Posted: 9/19/2012 6:57:12 PM
im pretty sure the XTS 3000 is P25....


http://www.motorola.com/web/Business/Product%20Lines/ASTRO%2025%20Network/Portable%20Radios/_Documents/Static%20files/XTS3000_specsheet.pdf?pLibItem=1


maybe im wrong, Its all new to me, but "Project 25 capable on conventional systems" leads me to think it is unless its not a standard system

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Posted: 9/19/2012 10:24:06 PM
Originally Posted By tesla120:
im pretty sure the XTS 3000 is P25....


http://www.motorola.com/web/Business/Product%20Lines/ASTRO%2025%20Network/Portable%20Radios/_Documents/Static%20files/XTS3000_specsheet.pdf?pLibItem=1


maybe im wrong, Its all new to me, but "Project 25 capable on conventional systems" leads me to think it is unless its not a standard system



You can't have a conventional P25 system. You CAN have a conventional system with digital voice, that shares the IMBE vocoder that P25 Phase I uses. The only difference is the addition of a NAC, which is the digital version of a PL/CTCSS/DCS tone...

The XTS3000 ONLY supports P25 trunking on 800 Mhz, and ONLY if it's properly featured. All bands support other trunked formats (Smartzone, Smartnet, etc) with proper features enabled.

The radio is set up by the features it has enabled. One radio an be conventional only, no digital functions whatsoever, basically a glorified saber. Another could be fully optioned, with P25 trunking, digital ID decode, etc etc.