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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:15:01 AM EDT
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They didn't necessarily burn in that place
Plus, yields weren't high, thus leading to cutting down the next chunk of jungle for more land |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:23:40 AM EDT
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The insect and weed issues in new garden beds are crazy. Lots of chems needed to get any yields.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:29:48 AM EDT
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The insect and weed issues in new garden beds are crazy. Lots of chems needed to get any yields. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:49:03 AM EDT
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But is there a net benefit? If I need to stack brush and burn it anyway, should I do it over my garden plot? If your garden is hard clay that doesn't drain and doesn't grow much, then YES. Obviously there is a lot of ground in between those two extremes. So tell us about your garden plot. And tell us exactly what's in the burn pile. Then we can help you better. 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 8:21:51 AM EDT
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Are you willing to work that hard? In todays world here we work smarter not harder. Are you willing to dig out a stump by hand then had fill the hole with topsoil hauled from somewhere else? And you have to remember these people are barely making a living for themselves yet alone anyone else. It can be done but good soil has to be managed and these people are kinda nomadic farmers.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:59:00 AM EDT
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My dad called burning out the old gardens and prepping new garden beds poor mans fertilizer...said the ash
added nutrients to the soil..he was born in 1911, grew up in the Appalachians..we NEVER bought vegetables mother canned, later froze enough from the old mans gardens it fed a family of 7 all winter into spring. He grew both summer and fall gardens and burned them every fall after harvest, turned them over and let winter finish off the soil prep..didn't use chemicals until the 60s at some point..swore by 7 Dust.. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:25:53 PM EDT
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If your garden is already established, if it is deep silt with a good soil structure, and if you have supplemented it with compost over a number of years, then NO. Absolutely not. If your garden is hard clay that doesn't drain and doesn't grow much, then YES. Obviously there is a lot of ground in between those two extremes. So tell us about your garden plot. And tell us exactly what's in the burn pile. Then we can help you better. I bed my chicken with poplar shavings and anything I clean from the coop goes to the plot. The burn pile will consist of mostly white pine boughs broke off from an ice storm this winter. I could also add ash from my wood stove, from mostly ash trees and oaks. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:53:33 PM EDT
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The previous owner of a property I bought left a lot of ash piles around from a fireplace and wood stove. Everything that I read said yes in small doses, ashes are good. Different types of wood have different levels of nutrients. To do it right you would have to evaluate that, do soil tests, and then determine the proper rate. If you are thinking of doing that instead of fertilizer then it would be a bad idea and not help in the way you expect.
Ashes In the Garden: Using Ashes In The Garden https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/soil-fertilizers/using-wood-ashes.htm Using Wood Ash in the Vegetable Garden https://www.growveg.com/guides/using-wood-ash-in-the-vegetable-garden/ |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:03:14 PM EDT
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My soil is about 10 inches of loamy sand over just plain sand. It has been lousy lawn and then late last fall I sprayed it with Round-up in anticipation of starting a plot this year. I bed my chicken with poplar shavings and anything I clean from the coop goes to the plot. The burn pile will consist of mostly white pine boughs broke off from an ice storm this winter. I could also add ash from my wood stove, from mostly ash trees and oaks. Find somebody who has horses, you may have to find a slightly more metro area. Most folks who have a few pet horses are MORE THAN HAPPY to load up your trailer full of as much shit as you can haul. The stables around here like to charge for it though... I would spend a year or two adding horse shit and turning that in. With darn near pure sand for soil, you need to build organic matter. It will help with water retention and add nutrients. Keep planting cover crops such as buckwheat and field peas in combo to further build your N content. Chicken shit is high in N, so keep using that as well. Do remember, all manure used as fertilizer should go through at least 1 winter to kill any bugs that can make us humans sick. Ideally it should be composted first before even spreading on the plot, but we don't live in an ideal world.. It would be OK growing something like corn (the food well away from the soil), but I would not grow root veggies or even tomatoes until it had a chance to freeze off. Even the rain splashing can and WILL splash bugs onto the food you eat. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:26:40 PM EDT
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Been doing it for the last 15 years, parents and grandparents did it before that. Yes it helps. Look into biochar.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:13:49 PM EDT
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MN river valley? Thanks to all for the input. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 10:52:26 AM EDT
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My soil is about 10 inches of loamy sand over just plain sand. It has been lousy lawn and then late last fall I sprayed it with Round-up in anticipation of starting a plot this year. I bed my chicken with poplar shavings and anything I clean from the coop goes to the plot. The burn pile will consist of mostly white pine boughs broke off from an ice storm this winter. I could also add ash from my wood stove, from mostly ash trees and oaks. If that is the case, then I would not burn on that plot. What happens when you burn is that yes, you get ash, which contains a very, very VERY small amount of nutrient value as compared with a prepared fertilizer or any other organic fertilizer like manure. (I don't mean the SAME nutrients, understand. My comparison is to explain that putting a load of composted manure on your garden gives you a relatively large nutrient hit in a great form for the plants. The ash does not put nearly that level of nutrients) Your wood ash will be different from this, but here's an article that explains there's not much in it. Low nutrient value in wood ash The REAL REASON I would not do it is that when you burn that wood debris, you also burn the humus (the small bits or organic matter) in the top inch to two inches of your soil. Deeper, depending on how hot the fire gets. That humus is worth WAY more to you than the value of the ash. Now...have I ever burned off a garden? Yes. I have. Will you get a few weed seeds? Yes, you will. But my situation was a little different, and I chose that for particular reasons. My burn was also very light and quick. like burning off a field. Just weed stalks and dead grass, which meant not a hot fire. And did it accomplish what I was after? Only sort of. If I had your situation, with no previous gardening history, I would absolutely not burn off that garden plot. You've got a great situation right now. If you don't compact that soil and till it to death, your garden should be really productive. Burning it won't help you. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 8:08:00 PM EDT
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The previous owner of a property I bought left a lot of ash piles around from a fireplace and wood stove. Everything that I read said yes in small doses, ashes are good. Different types of wood have different levels of nutrients. To do it right you would have to evaluate that, do soil tests, and then determine the proper rate. If you are thinking of doing that instead of fertilizer then it would be a bad idea and not help in the way you expect. Ashes In the Garden: Using Ashes In The Garden https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/soil-fertilizers/using-wood-ashes.htm Using Wood Ash in the Vegetable Garden https://www.growveg.com/guides/using-wood-ash-in-the-vegetable-garden/ I would also look for free manure in your area and try to compost it. It's going to take a couple years of composting over the plot to get good soil. We add all our grass clippings and leaves to our garden, which has really bumped up the soil quality. Adding straw on top of newspaper as a weed barrier also helped add to the quality in the first few years. |
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