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Posted: 10/8/2016 10:27:28 AM EDT
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Not a clue just here to learn.
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Posted: 10/8/2016 10:48:30 AM EDT
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I like it. Deer keep eating my drip heads (and everything else) so I have been looking for ideas.
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Posted: 10/8/2016 10:56:53 AM EDT
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I like it. Deer keep eating my drip heads (and everything else) so I have been looking for ideas. I'm a little jealous of you having deer in the backyard, my biggest threat is squirrels and start cats 
But, squirrel meat is still meat and that .177 Benjamin prowler is no joke for neighbor friendly pest control |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 5:35:19 PM EDT
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Your kale is clearly stressed for one reason or another.. have you tested the soil pH?
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Posted: 10/12/2016 6:27:22 PM EDT
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My guess is over-watering. but I'm no expert so tagging for answers.
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Posted: 10/13/2016 3:42:41 PM EDT
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Your kale is clearly stressed for one reason or another.. have you tested the soil pH? I have not, never thought about it actually. It's odd because the outer leaves of the kale are still yellowing, but the inner harvestable leaves are growing bright green and getting bigger. Cauliflower is still struggling and hasn't grown much more at all though 
Eta: we are still having some unseasonably hot, like high 80s/90s type weather, could that be part of it? |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 7:23:34 PM EDT
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I asked my wife and she said:
Too hot and not enough nitrogen are both possible causes. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:34:25 PM EDT
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I have not, never thought about it actually. It's odd because the outer leaves of the kale are still yellowing, but the inner harvestable leaves are growing bright green and getting bigger. Cauliflower is still struggling and hasn't grown much more at all though
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Your kale is clearly stressed for one reason or another.. have you tested the soil pH? I have not, never thought about it actually. It's odd because the outer leaves of the kale are still yellowing, but the inner harvestable leaves are growing bright green and getting bigger. Cauliflower is still struggling and hasn't grown much more at all though
Eta: we are still having some unseasonably hot, like high 80s/90s type weather, could that be part of it? Kale loves cool weather. In fact, I planted mine just after the snow went away in the spring, and we had a hard frost the other day and my Red Russian Kale did great. Heat stress could be a problem. Did you acclimatize them to the sun slowly? What are you using for fertilizer? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 7:09:18 AM EDT
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Kale loves cool weather. In fact, I planted mine just after the snow went away in the spring, and we had a hard frost the other day and my Red Russian Kale did great. Heat stress could be a problem. Did you acclimatize them to the sun slowly? What are you using for fertilizer? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your kale is clearly stressed for one reason or another.. have you tested the soil pH? I have not, never thought about it actually. It's odd because the outer leaves of the kale are still yellowing, but the inner harvestable leaves are growing bright green and getting bigger. Cauliflower is still struggling and hasn't grown much more at all though
Eta: we are still having some unseasonably hot, like high 80s/90s type weather, could that be part of it? Kale loves cool weather. In fact, I planted mine just after the snow went away in the spring, and we had a hard frost the other day and my Red Russian Kale did great. Heat stress could be a problem. Did you acclimatize them to the sun slowly? What are you using for fertilizer? Ya, I planted based on the almanac calendar, but that obviously wasn't accounting for it still being 90 here in mid-October. They had been sitting outside on a rack at the place I bought them, didn't think I needed to do anything else as far as acclimating them, I'd never done that with anything else utecht maybe I need to read up because that may explain some issues with other stuff in the past. All the beds just have composted manure tilled in, it was the way I learned to do it growing up and it always seemed to work for my grandmother, and has for me on most stuff. Just not this
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:50:59 PM EDT
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Ya, I planted based on the almanac calendar, but that obviously wasn't accounting for it still being 90 here in mid-October. They had been sitting outside on a rack at the place I bought them, didn't think I needed to do anything else as far as acclimating them, I'd never done that with anything else utecht maybe I need to read up because that may explain some issues with other stuff in the past. All the beds just have composted manure tilled in, it was the way I learned to do it growing up and it always seemed to work for my grandmother, and has for me on most stuff. Just not this Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your kale is clearly stressed for one reason or another.. have you tested the soil pH? I have not, never thought about it actually. It's odd because the outer leaves of the kale are still yellowing, but the inner harvestable leaves are growing bright green and getting bigger. Cauliflower is still struggling and hasn't grown much more at all though
Eta: we are still having some unseasonably hot, like high 80s/90s type weather, could that be part of it? Kale loves cool weather. In fact, I planted mine just after the snow went away in the spring, and we had a hard frost the other day and my Red Russian Kale did great. Heat stress could be a problem. Did you acclimatize them to the sun slowly? What are you using for fertilizer? Ya, I planted based on the almanac calendar, but that obviously wasn't accounting for it still being 90 here in mid-October. They had been sitting outside on a rack at the place I bought them, didn't think I needed to do anything else as far as acclimating them, I'd never done that with anything else utecht maybe I need to read up because that may explain some issues with other stuff in the past. All the beds just have composted manure tilled in, it was the way I learned to do it growing up and it always seemed to work for my grandmother, and has for me on most stuff. Just not this What is the wood chip stuff on top? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:01:44 PM EDT
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Hot weather might be part of it.
But I think that mulch is sucking the nitrogen out of your soil. (I fyou want to know how this works, ask. But most people don't care. They just want results.) You need to fertilize. Go get some miracle grow, mix it to a really pale blue, and water with that the next few times. See if it helps. If it DOES NOT HELP IMMEDIATELY, you have another problem. THAT SAID.. All those stems and stuff left from last season? You need to clean that out of your beds. It harbors disease and pests. If you compost, then toss it on the compost pile. If you don't, bag it and get rid of it, or burn it. Clean out your garden/beds each year. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:27:41 PM EDT
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Hot weather might be part of it. But I think that mulch is sucking the nitrogen out of your soil. (I fyou want to know how this works, ask. But most people don't care. They just want results.) You need to fertilize. Go get some miracle grow, mix it to a really pale blue, and water with that the next few times. See if it helps. If it DOES NOT HELP IMMEDIATELY, you have another problem. THAT SAID.. All those stems and stuff left from last season? You need to clean that out of your beds. It harbors disease and pests. If you compost, then toss it on the compost pile. If you don't, bag it and get rid of it, or burn it. Clean out your garden/beds each year. That's why I asked about the type of wood on there. As you know, pine and some other woods can have an allelopathic effect on certain plants. For instance, this year I was using some Miracle Grow soil in potted plants. These were 4-gallon pots and I had two types of soil. One was "Garden Soil" which contained larger pieces that were used as filler. I strongly suspect this was pine mulch. The other was "Potting Soil" which was much finer and felt better to the touch. The garden soil plants did poorly overall. Their growth seemed stunted. The potting soil plants did much better. I've actually taken the pots filled with the garden soil and put them on my blueberries as mulch as they are unaffected by pine. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:39:26 PM EDT
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That's why I asked about the type of wood on there. As you know, pine and some other woods can have an allelopathic effect on certain plants. For instance, this year I was using some Miracle Grow soil in potted plants. These were 4-gallon pots and I had two types of soil. One was "Garden Soil" which contained larger pieces that were used as filler. I strongly suspect this was pine mulch. The other was "Potting Soil" which was much finer and felt better to the touch. The garden soil plants did poorly overall. Their growth seemed stunted. The potting soil plants did much better. I've actually taken the pots filled with the garden soil and put them on my blueberries as mulch as they are unaffected by pine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hot weather might be part of it. But I think that mulch is sucking the nitrogen out of your soil. (I fyou want to know how this works, ask. But most people don't care. They just want results.) You need to fertilize. Go get some miracle grow, mix it to a really pale blue, and water with that the next few times. See if it helps. If it DOES NOT HELP IMMEDIATELY, you have another problem. THAT SAID.. All those stems and stuff left from last season? You need to clean that out of your beds. It harbors disease and pests. If you compost, then toss it on the compost pile. If you don't, bag it and get rid of it, or burn it. Clean out your garden/beds each year. That's why I asked about the type of wood on there. As you know, pine and some other woods can have an allelopathic effect on certain plants. For instance, this year I was using some Miracle Grow soil in potted plants. These were 4-gallon pots and I had two types of soil. One was "Garden Soil" which contained larger pieces that were used as filler. I strongly suspect this was pine mulch. The other was "Potting Soil" which was much finer and felt better to the touch. The garden soil plants did poorly overall. Their growth seemed stunted. The potting soil plants did much better. I've actually taken the pots filled with the garden soil and put them on my blueberries as mulch as they are unaffected by pine. Yes. Though I suspect the allelopathy is not the root of the problem here. I figure in common situations there can be two issues going on. One would be lack of nitrogen because all the nitrogen in the soil is busy helping the microorganisms rot the big pieces of mulch. The other could be soil pH--...because.....oh wait....drum roll please--the nitrogen is all tied up helping the microorganisms rot the bit pieces of stuff.
That's grossly oversimplified, but oh well.
Honestly I've never had an allelopathic effect from pine-based mulch. Of course...I live with Juglans nigra all over the property, so maybe my view is skewed by "everything freaking dying" anywhere near my trees.
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Posted: 10/22/2016 10:36:00 PM EDT
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Yes. Though I suspect the allelopathy is not the root of the problem here. I figure in common situations there can be two issues going on. One would be lack of nitrogen because all the nitrogen in the soil is busy helping the microorganisms rot the big pieces of mulch. The other could be soil pH--...because.....oh wait....drum roll please--the nitrogen is all tied up helping the microorganisms rot the bit pieces of stuff.
That's grossly oversimplified, but oh well.
Honestly I've never had an allelopathic effect from pine-based mulch. Of course...I live with Juglans nigra all over the property, so maybe my view is skewed by "everything freaking dying" anywhere near my trees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hot weather might be part of it. But I think that mulch is sucking the nitrogen out of your soil. (I fyou want to know how this works, ask. But most people don't care. They just want results.) You need to fertilize. Go get some miracle grow, mix it to a really pale blue, and water with that the next few times. See if it helps. If it DOES NOT HELP IMMEDIATELY, you have another problem. THAT SAID.. All those stems and stuff left from last season? You need to clean that out of your beds. It harbors disease and pests. If you compost, then toss it on the compost pile. If you don't, bag it and get rid of it, or burn it. Clean out your garden/beds each year. That's why I asked about the type of wood on there. As you know, pine and some other woods can have an allelopathic effect on certain plants. For instance, this year I was using some Miracle Grow soil in potted plants. These were 4-gallon pots and I had two types of soil. One was "Garden Soil" which contained larger pieces that were used as filler. I strongly suspect this was pine mulch. The other was "Potting Soil" which was much finer and felt better to the touch. The garden soil plants did poorly overall. Their growth seemed stunted. The potting soil plants did much better. I've actually taken the pots filled with the garden soil and put them on my blueberries as mulch as they are unaffected by pine. Yes. Though I suspect the allelopathy is not the root of the problem here. I figure in common situations there can be two issues going on. One would be lack of nitrogen because all the nitrogen in the soil is busy helping the microorganisms rot the big pieces of mulch. The other could be soil pH--...because.....oh wait....drum roll please--the nitrogen is all tied up helping the microorganisms rot the bit pieces of stuff.
That's grossly oversimplified, but oh well.
Honestly I've never had an allelopathic effect from pine-based mulch. Of course...I live with Juglans nigra all over the property, so maybe my view is skewed by "everything freaking dying" anywhere near my trees. I think you're right about the nitrogen. The yellowing like that is pretty notorious for nitrogen deficiency either outright or due to pH problems keeping it from being available enough. I would also try some magnesium in the form of Epsom salt. The container will have instructions on how much to use. Worth a try and shouldn't do any harm. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 8:08:05 AM EDT
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Your kale is clearly stressed for one reason or another.. have you tested the soil pH? I have not, never thought about it actually. It's odd because the outer leaves of the kale are still yellowing, but the inner harvestable leaves are growing bright green and getting bigger. Cauliflower is still struggling and hasn't grown much more at all though
Eta: we are still having some unseasonably hot, like high 80s/90s type weather, could that be part of it? Kale loves cool weather. In fact, I planted mine just after the snow went away in the spring, and we had a hard frost the other day and my Red Russian Kale did great. Heat stress could be a problem. Did you acclimatize them to the sun slowly? What are you using for fertilizer? Ya, I planted based on the almanac calendar, but that obviously wasn't accounting for it still being 90 here in mid-October. They had been sitting outside on a rack at the place I bought them, didn't think I needed to do anything else as far as acclimating them, I'd never done that with anything else utecht maybe I need to read up because that may explain some issues with other stuff in the past. All the beds just have composted manure tilled in, it was the way I learned to do it growing up and it always seemed to work for my grandmother, and has for me on most stuff. Just not this What is the wood chip stuff on top? Mulch |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 8:11:51 AM EDT
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I think you're right about the nitrogen. The yellowing like that is pretty notorious for nitrogen deficiency either outright or due to pH problems keeping it from being available enough. I would also try some magnesium in the form of Epsom salt. The container will have instructions on how much to use. Worth a try and shouldn't do any harm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hot weather might be part of it. But I think that mulch is sucking the nitrogen out of your soil. (I fyou want to know how this works, ask. But most people don't care. They just want results.) You need to fertilize. Go get some miracle grow, mix it to a really pale blue, and water with that the next few times. See if it helps. If it DOES NOT HELP IMMEDIATELY, you have another problem. THAT SAID.. All those stems and stuff left from last season? You need to clean that out of your beds. It harbors disease and pests. If you compost, then toss it on the compost pile. If you don't, bag it and get rid of it, or burn it. Clean out your garden/beds each year. That's why I asked about the type of wood on there. As you know, pine and some other woods can have an allelopathic effect on certain plants. For instance, this year I was using some Miracle Grow soil in potted plants. These were 4-gallon pots and I had two types of soil. One was "Garden Soil" which contained larger pieces that were used as filler. I strongly suspect this was pine mulch. The other was "Potting Soil" which was much finer and felt better to the touch. The garden soil plants did poorly overall. Their growth seemed stunted. The potting soil plants did much better. I've actually taken the pots filled with the garden soil and put them on my blueberries as mulch as they are unaffected by pine. Yes. Though I suspect the allelopathy is not the root of the problem here. I figure in common situations there can be two issues going on. One would be lack of nitrogen because all the nitrogen in the soil is busy helping the microorganisms rot the big pieces of mulch. The other could be soil pH--...because.....oh wait....drum roll please--the nitrogen is all tied up helping the microorganisms rot the bit pieces of stuff.
That's grossly oversimplified, but oh well.
Honestly I've never had an allelopathic effect from pine-based mulch. Of course...I live with Juglans nigra all over the property, so maybe my view is skewed by "everything freaking dying" anywhere near my trees. I think you're right about the nitrogen. The yellowing like that is pretty notorious for nitrogen deficiency either outright or due to pH problems keeping it from being available enough. I would also try some magnesium in the form of Epsom salt. The container will have instructions on how much to use. Worth a try and shouldn't do any harm. Sorry, been busy so haven't made it back. That's cedar mulch that we've been using around all the plants. Miracle grow has been used on their recommended schedule, and the bed was cleaned/hand tilled between seasons. The kale has been picking up and growing on the main bud leaves, the cauliflower ended up failing and has been replanted now that it is cooler |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:10:59 AM EDT
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Sorry, been busy so haven't made it back. That's cedar mulch that we've been using around all the plants. Miracle grow has been used on their recommended schedule, and the bed was cleaned/hand tilled between seasons. The kale has been picking up and growing on the main bud leaves, the cauliflower ended up failing and has been replanted now that it is cooler Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hot weather might be part of it. But I think that mulch is sucking the nitrogen out of your soil. (I fyou want to know how this works, ask. But most people don't care. They just want results.) You need to fertilize. Go get some miracle grow, mix it to a really pale blue, and water with that the next few times. See if it helps. If it DOES NOT HELP IMMEDIATELY, you have another problem. THAT SAID.. All those stems and stuff left from last season? You need to clean that out of your beds. It harbors disease and pests. If you compost, then toss it on the compost pile. If you don't, bag it and get rid of it, or burn it. Clean out your garden/beds each year. That's why I asked about the type of wood on there. As you know, pine and some other woods can have an allelopathic effect on certain plants. For instance, this year I was using some Miracle Grow soil in potted plants. These were 4-gallon pots and I had two types of soil. One was "Garden Soil" which contained larger pieces that were used as filler. I strongly suspect this was pine mulch. The other was "Potting Soil" which was much finer and felt better to the touch. The garden soil plants did poorly overall. Their growth seemed stunted. The potting soil plants did much better. I've actually taken the pots filled with the garden soil and put them on my blueberries as mulch as they are unaffected by pine. Yes. Though I suspect the allelopathy is not the root of the problem here. I figure in common situations there can be two issues going on. One would be lack of nitrogen because all the nitrogen in the soil is busy helping the microorganisms rot the big pieces of mulch. The other could be soil pH--...because.....oh wait....drum roll please--the nitrogen is all tied up helping the microorganisms rot the bit pieces of stuff.
That's grossly oversimplified, but oh well.
Honestly I've never had an allelopathic effect from pine-based mulch. Of course...I live with Juglans nigra all over the property, so maybe my view is skewed by "everything freaking dying" anywhere near my trees. I think you're right about the nitrogen. The yellowing like that is pretty notorious for nitrogen deficiency either outright or due to pH problems keeping it from being available enough. I would also try some magnesium in the form of Epsom salt. The container will have instructions on how much to use. Worth a try and shouldn't do any harm. Sorry, been busy so haven't made it back. That's cedar mulch that we've been using around all the plants. Miracle grow has been used on their recommended schedule, and the bed was cleaned/hand tilled between seasons. The kale has been picking up and growing on the main bud leaves, the cauliflower ended up failing and has been replanted now that it is cooler So now only those original outer leaves are the yellowed ones (on the kale)? |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 5:35:07 PM EDT
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Correct. A couple didn't fare as well but the rest are growing in the center and seem to be doing ok
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Posted: 10/24/2016 10:48:40 PM EDT
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Correct. A couple didn't fare as well but the rest are growing in the center and seem to be doing ok Excellent. That suggests some kind of transplant shock caused you to lose the outer leaves. Maybe something that happened before you got the plants. Which would cause them to start off slower. It still could have been the heat, but lots of factors could play into the outer leaves dying off. Please keep this going and let us know how the plants do from here. Good education for everyone.
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