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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:23:43 PM EDT
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What are you cutting? I used to cut a LOT of almond wood. It was pretty tough on chains and tightening every tank of gas was not out of the realm, especially with an older chain.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:24:54 PM EDT
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Just in case you don't know,
Be sure to push up on the bar when Installing it. Not doing so has caused my chain to Loosen up. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:27:39 PM EDT
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What are you cutting? I used to cut a LOT of almond wood. It was pretty tough on chains and tightening every tank of gas was not out of the realm, especially with an older chain. Oak. Sweet Gum. Elm. I cut old trees, mostly. They have been standing dead, or laying on the ground, for a year or two. I seldom cut green wood. The wood I do cut is normally 30-40% rotted. This hasn't changed. Same wood variety that I have always been cutting. TRG |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:28:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slacker:
Just in case you don't know, Be sure to push up on the bar when Installing it. Not doing so has caused my chain to Loosen up. I don't lift up on the bar. I'll try it, but, I've never had the issue in the past. I'll need to cut more wood in the next day or so and I'll see if lifting the tip helps. Ironic username. TRG |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:31:43 PM EDT
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Twenty year old saw ... willing to bet the tension mechanism has galling or some stripping in the threads.
Have you also checked the nuts/studs clamping the bar for galling or stripping? I replace the nuts every couple years.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:40:55 PM EDT
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Twenty year old saw ... willing to bet the tension mechanism has galling or some stripping in the threads. Have you also checked the nuts/studs clamping the bar for galling or stripping? I replace the nuts every couple years. I'll check them. Any chance you might have a pic that could show what they should look like and what a bad one looks like? TRG |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:56:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll check them. Any chance you might have a pic that could show what they should look like and what a bad one looks like? TRG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Twenty year old saw ... willing to bet the tension mechanism has galling or some stripping in the threads. Have you also checked the nuts/studs clamping the bar for galling or stripping? I replace the nuts every couple years. I'll check them. Any chance you might have a pic that could show what they should look like and what a bad one looks like? TRG If you remove the blade, look at differences in wear on the black threaded shaft that moves the adjuster back and forth. The wear is typically not on that shaft but in the adjuster itself. Blow it out with compressed air so you can see better. Look for missing e-clips, seen that happen also. Also, arboristsite forum has gurus that are much better than I to diagnose and get parts if necessary. They also have a manual library good for exploded parts diagrams. It has been a long time since I handled one of those saws ... they have a good rep for reliability. My saws are much newer, a 362 and a 441cm. I'm going to check on some manuals I may have in my garage ...
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:00:02 PM EDT
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Galling = threads look stripped. Usually the nut, if not caught in time, the stud starts wearing.
Look at uniformity of threads.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:01:08 PM EDT
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complete tensioner $17
And that Canker Disease killed oak will suck the oil of the chain like brake cleaner. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:09:42 PM EDT
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Forgot about this .... When was last time sprocket was changed?
Old worn sprocket will wear out a new chain quickly. I buy chain by the dozen and swap out in the field when needed. Fleabay has good prices on Stihl chain if you buy quantity. Old chain and new sprocket is kind of OK, new chain and worn sprocket is not OK.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:21:21 PM EDT
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Maybe a stupid question, but you are using a Stihl chain right?
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:36:16 PM EDT
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Maybe a stupid question, but you are using a Stihl chain right? Why would that make a difference? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:36:37 PM EDT
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Forgot about this .... When was last time sprocket was changed? Old worn sprocket will wear out a new chain quickly. I buy chain by the dozen and swap out in the field when needed. Fleabay has good prices on Stihl chain if you buy quantity. Old chain and new sprocket is kind of OK, new chain and worn sprocket is not OK. I've never changed the sprocket. I'll get pics of it as well. As for the chain question, I've used Oregon, Stihl and Countryside (TSC brand) TRG |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:39:40 PM EDT
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Why would that make a difference? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe a stupid question, but you are using a Stihl chain right? Why would that make a difference? It doesn't. ... but some people are going to believe that it does. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:40:28 PM EDT
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I've never changed the sprocket. I'll get pics of it as well. As for the chain question, I've used Oregon, Stihl and Countryside (TSC brand) TRG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Forgot about this .... When was last time sprocket was changed? Old worn sprocket will wear out a new chain quickly. I buy chain by the dozen and swap out in the field when needed. Fleabay has good prices on Stihl chain if you buy quantity. Old chain and new sprocket is kind of OK, new chain and worn sprocket is not OK. I've never changed the sprocket. I'll get pics of it as well. As for the chain question, I've used Oregon, Stihl and Countryside (TSC brand) TRG Chances are that your tensioner is stripped. Most Stihl dealers should carry the parts and it is easy to change. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:28:08 PM EDT
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It doesn't. ... but some people are going to believe that it does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe a stupid question, but you are using a Stihl chain right? Why would that make a difference? It doesn't. ... but some people are going to believe that it does. It makes a difference between a high quality chain (not necessarily Stihl) and a POS that wears out cutting a maple tree . |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:31:46 AM EDT
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It makes a difference between a high quality chain (not necessarily Stihl) and a POS that wears out cutting a maple tree . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe a stupid question, but you are using a Stihl chain right? Why would that make a difference? It doesn't. ... but some people are going to believe that it does. It makes a difference between a high quality chain (not necessarily Stihl) and a POS that wears out cutting a maple tree . NOTHING on the market will stretch that easy and fast...not even the HD china garbage. The Cheapest of the cheap chains on E-Bay, stop stretching after 2-3 adjustments...they go dull on popple like a bastard, but stop stretching at a certain pont. It's either the Rim sprocket is down past the nubbins, or his adjuster has finally gotten stripped out. Being 20 Years old, I'm guessing a 6 dollar, 7 pin rim is in order, and was worn out 5 years ago. 
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Posted: 12/22/2014 7:31:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I've never changed the sprocket.
I'll get pics of it as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:I've never changed the sprocket.
I'll get pics of it as well. General rule of thumb is a new sprocket for ever 2-3 chains. If it's a rim sprocket (I'm not sure the 026 had a rim, sprocket, the sprocket may be integral to the clutch drum) it should have wear indicators on it. Quoted:Being 20 Years old, I'm guessing a 6 dollar, 7 pin rim is in order, and was worn out 5 years ago. That's where my money is at right now. Extremely worn sprocket will contribute to the tensioner running out of adjustment and depending on how well the chain is seated into the sprocket at the time of tensioning could cause the problem TRG is having with the chain "loosening up" after running it. IE, while tensioning the chain isn't seated into the wear marks on the sprocket very well, but when run it settles into those wear marks and becomes loose. FWIW, worn sprockets look like this: 
New ones look like this: Pay particular attention to the last image (rim sprocket). Notice those tiny little notches/grooves to either side of the main groove the drive-link runs in? Just like the wear bars on a tire, when those notches disappear the sprocket is beyond it's effective life. 
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Posted: 12/22/2014 8:54:30 AM EDT
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Another vote that the worm in the tensioner is stripped or worn.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:56:48 AM EDT
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I'd look close at the little nub that fits into the bar so that it can be tightened or loosened. The part that fits into the bar is probably worn to a taper and is letting the bar slip.
I had the exact issue with my chain getting loose last year and replaced that part and no more loose chain. It is the piece that the adjustment screw moves and it was only a couple of dollars. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 5:32:53 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the advice. I hve not had time to go out there and tear in to it.
I am going to 'guess' that wear is the issue on that sprocket. I cut 6-8 cords per year. I've been doing that for 20... TRG |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:33:16 AM EDT
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Thanks for all the advice. I hve not had time to go out there and tear in to it. I am going to 'guess' that wear is the issue on that sprocket. I cut 6-8 cords per year. I've been doing that for 20... TRG 
The local Stihl dealer will have rim sprockets for under 10 bucks, and they are easy to swap out. While you're in there, replace the clutch bearing too, as it was time to do so around 2002....and maybe eyeball the clutch and drum for wear.
Send the old rim to Stihl along with the story. I'm not sure if it's some sort of record or not, but it's going top be close. 
Who knows, maybe the Krauts will gift you with a Hat or something. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 7:28:56 AM EDT
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IIRC, Stihl saws have a lifetime warranty on the clutch.
(For non commercial use) |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 11:01:05 PM EDT
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I've sold Stihl my entire life and my bet is it is the sprocket worn. The chain falls into the groove allowing the chain to loosen up. A close second bet would be an issue with the chain tensioner mechanism.
Both have already been covered, but I guarantee it is one of those two issues. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 11:58:19 AM EDT
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In addition, when that happens to my farm boss I clean out the oil tunnel/groove in the bar and everything is fine again. Follow the other posters' advice first.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 12:17:43 PM EDT
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The local Stihl dealer will have rim sprockets for under 10 bucks, and they are easy to swap out. While you're in there, replace the clutch bearing too, as it was time to do so around 2002....and maybe eyeball the clutch and drum for wear.
Send the old rim to Stihl along with the story. I'm not sure if it's some sort of record or not, but it's going top be close.
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Thanks for all the advice. I hve not had time to go out there and tear in to it. I am going to 'guess' that wear is the issue on that sprocket. I cut 6-8 cords per year. I've been doing that for 20... TRG
The local Stihl dealer will have rim sprockets for under 10 bucks, and they are easy to swap out. While you're in there, replace the clutch bearing too, as it was time to do so around 2002....and maybe eyeball the clutch and drum for wear.
Send the old rim to Stihl along with the story. I'm not sure if it's some sort of record or not, but it's going top be close.
Who knows, maybe the Krauts will gift you with a Hat or something. I have not had time to take pics and pull things apart, but, just from a glance, yeah I have some major wear there. I probably should send it to stihl tell them, "Use this one for breeding purposes. It's The One." TRG |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 2:57:01 PM EDT
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I've sold Stihl my entire life and my bet is it is the sprocket worn. The chain falls into the groove allowing the chain to loosen up. A close second bet would be an issue with the chain tensioner mechanism. Both have already been covered, but I guarantee it is one of those two issues. If you have the parts in stock ... I have two 026s that I will need sprockets and tensioners for. I can IM you my address or you got a number I can call and order? TRG |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 3:00:41 PM EDT
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I have not had time to take pics and pull things apart, but, just from a glance, yeah I have some major wear there. I probably should send it to stihl tell them, "Use this one for breeding purposes. It's The One." TRG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for all the advice. I hve not had time to go out there and tear in to it. I am going to 'guess' that wear is the issue on that sprocket. I cut 6-8 cords per year. I've been doing that for 20... TRG
The local Stihl dealer will have rim sprockets for under 10 bucks, and they are easy to swap out. While you're in there, replace the clutch bearing too, as it was time to do so around 2002....and maybe eyeball the clutch and drum for wear.
Send the old rim to Stihl along with the story. I'm not sure if it's some sort of record or not, but it's going top be close.
Who knows, maybe the Krauts will gift you with a Hat or something. I have not had time to take pics and pull things apart, but, just from a glance, yeah I have some major wear there. I probably should send it to stihl tell them, "Use this one for breeding purposes. It's The One." TRG 
Ya need a new rim sprocket, Clutch bearing, and a couple of E-clips. Always keep a spare E-clip, duct taped in the saw box somewhere with a spare Bar nut. Damn things shoot off the clutch, and engage some sort of diabolical stealth technology bullshit 9 times out of 10. |
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Posted: 1/6/2015 9:55:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn things shoot off the clutch, and engage some sort of diabolical stealth technology bullshit 9 times out of 10. I'm going to borrow this quote for a couple of weeks. I'll put it back when I'm done. |
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Posted: 1/6/2015 10:32:49 PM EDT
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It's suffering from not being a Husky.......
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Posted: 1/6/2015 10:57:29 PM EDT
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If you have the parts in stock ... I have two 026s that I will need sprockets and tensioners for. I can IM you my address or you got a number I can call and order? TRG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've sold Stihl my entire life and my bet is it is the sprocket worn. The chain falls into the groove allowing the chain to loosen up. A close second bet would be an issue with the chain tensioner mechanism. Both have already been covered, but I guarantee it is one of those two issues. If you have the parts in stock ... I have two 026s that I will need sprockets and tensioners for. I can IM you my address or you got a number I can call and order? TRG Sure! I'll look tomorrow. I'd bet we have a couple and I'd be glad to ship them to you. I'll look and get in touch about it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 1:16:09 PM EDT
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It's suffering from not being a Husky....... You're right about that.... after 20 some years of neglect (no offense intended OP) it's still running, which brought to light the need to replace the rim sprocket and do a little real maintenance. Husky doesn't have that problem because they just simply don't last 20+ years...
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Posted: 1/7/2015 2:19:37 PM EDT
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You're right about that.... after 20 some years of neglect (no offense intended OP) it's still running, which brought to light the need to replace the rim sprocket and do a little real maintenance. Husky doesn't have that problem because they just simply don't last 20+ years... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's suffering from not being a Husky....... You're right about that.... after 20 some years of neglect (no offense intended OP) it's still running, which brought to light the need to replace the rim sprocket and do a little real maintenance. Husky doesn't have that problem because they just simply don't last 20+ years... With a two month old infant at home, cold weather, and now a sick dog I haven't pulled these saws apart yet. But, since posting I have cut another two trailers of wood (four different oaks, standing dead) with the saw.
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Posted: 1/7/2015 3:52:18 PM EDT
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That piece of wire...? Dunno. Pulled it out. 
Thank you JPL, in advance. TRG |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:07:32 PM EDT
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TRG |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 8:06:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:With a two month old infant at home, cold weather, and now a sick dog I haven't pulled these saws apart yet. But, since posting I have cut another two trailers of wood (four different oaks, standing dead) with the saw.
Quote HistoryQuoted:With a two month old infant at home, cold weather, and now a sick dog I haven't pulled these saws apart yet. But, since posting I have cut another two trailers of wood (four different oaks, standing dead) with the saw.
I hear you there... 1 month old here... stuff doesn't stop when little ones come along... FWIW, I wasn't knocking you or anything. If you don't know the sprocket needs maintenance (a LOT of people don't) then you can't really be blamed too much. I was just pointing out to the funny man that thinks Husky is superior, this saw made it 20 years and is still going even with a little neglect. Quoted:
<a href="http://s671.photobucket.com/user/TheRedGoat/media/garden2014/20150107_133657_zps24cfc78b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv71/TheRedGoat/garden2014/20150107_133657_zps24cfc78b.jpg</a> Wow, that's some pretty good wear!!!! |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 9:22:09 PM EDT
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I hear you there... 1 month old here... stuff doesn't stop when little ones come along... FWIW, I wasn't knocking you or anything. If you don't know the sprocket needs maintenance (a LOT of people don't) then you can't really be blamed too much. I was just pointing out to the funny man that thinks Husky is superior, this saw made it 20 years and is still going even with a little neglect. Wow, that's some pretty good wear!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:With a two month old infant at home, cold weather, and now a sick dog I haven't pulled these saws apart yet. But, since posting I have cut another two trailers of wood (four different oaks, standing dead) with the saw.
I hear you there... 1 month old here... stuff doesn't stop when little ones come along... FWIW, I wasn't knocking you or anything. If you don't know the sprocket needs maintenance (a LOT of people don't) then you can't really be blamed too much. I was just pointing out to the funny man that thinks Husky is superior, this saw made it 20 years and is still going even with a little neglect. Quoted:
<a href="http://s671.photobucket.com/user/TheRedGoat/media/garden2014/20150107_133657_zps24cfc78b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv71/TheRedGoat/garden2014/20150107_133657_zps24cfc78b.jpg</a> Wow, that's some pretty good wear!!!! Two decades ... minimum. Saw was purchased from a pawn shop. Used, but lightly, when purchased. Late 1990s. 96? 98? Not sure. TRG |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 9:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI hear you there... 1 month old here... stuff doesn't stop when little ones come along... In my lap yesterday. I was trying to post here .. he had other plans. 
This was moments after his bath, whereupon he peed from the sink in to the toaster. Face says, "Bathe me again, and I take out the coffee pot..." 
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Posted: 1/7/2015 9:26:46 PM EDT
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Parts should be on the way tomorrow!
'Preciate the business.
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Posted: 1/7/2015 9:28:03 PM EDT
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Parts should be on the way tomorrow! 'Preciate the business. Price includes installation and on-site tech support, right? TRG |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 9:42:23 PM EDT
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Now you have a cool keychain
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Posted: 1/7/2015 10:05:57 PM EDT
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Price includes installation and on-site tech support, right? TRG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Parts should be on the way tomorrow! 'Preciate the business. Price includes installation and on-site tech support, right? TRG Lets not get carried away there Mr. Goat! |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 10:06:20 PM EDT
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Now you have a cool keychain <a href="http://s48.photobucket.com/user/11724/media/A-Z/DSCN9489_zps8cb4dc06.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f240/11724/A-Z/DSCN9489_zps8cb4dc06.jpg</a> Very cool! I have to do that. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 10:16:08 PM EDT
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Lets not get carried away there Mr. Goat! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Parts should be on the way tomorrow! 'Preciate the business. Price includes installation and on-site tech support, right? TRG Lets not get carried away there Mr. Goat! I have a nice spot out back where you can camp... TRG |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 10:16:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:In my lap yesterday. I was trying to post here .. he had other plans.
Quote HistoryQuoted:In my lap yesterday. I was trying to post here .. he had other plans.
Haha, our little girl is quite the squirmer; as a matter of fact, we've had several people comment that they've never seen a newborn move around as much as she does... very active means there is almost no way to hold her and post on arfcom at the same time unless she is sound asleep. Quoted:This was moments after his bath, whereupon he peed from the sink in to the toaster. Face says, "Bathe me again, and I take out the coffee pot..."
Haha, glad I don't have that problem just yet. We're hoping for a boy on the next go around; we'll just have to see if I get to enjoy the wonders of long-range, directional urination in the future. Quoted:
Now you have a cool keychain Yup, pretty sweet idea... why didn't I think of that? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:14:00 AM EDT
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Now you have a cool keychain <a href="http://s48.photobucket.com/user/11724/media/A-Z/DSCN9489_zps8cb4dc06.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f240/11724/A-Z/DSCN9489_zps8cb4dc06.jpg</a> 
Yep. That right there is yer problem. 
Check the drives on your chains. Those "Dents" and "Smears" on the driving edge can be filed out. Just use a Mill bastard file and lay the chain flat. If ya don't, they will booger up the new rim. 
I still think you should send that to the Krauts with the story.
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Posted: 1/8/2015 10:21:49 AM EDT
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Send it to bryan Equipment in Loveland Ohio. They are the largest Stihl distributor in the USA if not the world. I was just up their for some training and they have an amazing collection of Stihl, new and old.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:52:32 AM EDT
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Now you have a cool keychain <a href="http://s48.photobucket.com/user/11724/media/A-Z/DSCN9489_zps8cb4dc06.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f240/11724/A-Z/DSCN9489_zps8cb4dc06.jpg</a> Nice! 
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:57:30 AM EDT
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Send it to bryan Equipment in Loveland Ohio. They are the largest Stihl distributor in the USA if not the world. I was just up their for some training and they have an amazing collection of Stihl, new and old. The new part solved the problem. Saw cuts properly and the chain is not getting loose now. Cuts like it's new again. TRG |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 11:15:19 AM EDT
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The new part solved the problem. Saw cuts properly and the chain is not getting loose now. Cuts like it's new again. TRG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Send it to bryan Equipment in Loveland Ohio. They are the largest Stihl distributor in the USA if not the world. I was just up their for some training and they have an amazing collection of Stihl, new and old. The new part solved the problem. Saw cuts properly and the chain is not getting loose now. Cuts like it's new again. TRG Glad to hear! Thanks for getting the parts from me. |
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