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Hi Ratling. If you mentioned it I missed it, what short season corn are you using for your second planting? Our silver queen should be ready in about a week or so and we're thinking about a second planting of some type this year. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Hi Ratling. If you mentioned it I missed it, what short season corn are you using for your second planting? Our silver queen should be ready in about a week or so and we're thinking about a second planting of some type this year. I am actually using a hybrid, called Early Sunglow. It lists 63 days to harvest. If you know ahead of time you can start the seeds in toilet paper roll middles and steal about 2 weeks on the timeline. I just stacked the middles in a small tupperware, and used a cut-off 2 litre soda top with the pour hole enlarged to fill them with. You can see the pics from the bloody butcher corn where I first experimented with the option. The roots grow right through the roll, and you don't have any bare patches like you would if you direct-seeded. The bloody butcher was about 10 ft tall and all but one stood through high wind with no issues. This time I just used little seedling pots and some of them are already starting to wobble. I think the roll middle encourage early root growth straight down which helps anchor the corn, but I couldn't swear to it. It's been interesting reading about you guys in the Carolina's and south central because you're about two weeks ahead of us. We'll be pulling the squash this weekend (SVB) and most of the cucs due to mildew. The wife thinks I'm a genius because I mention these problems in advance |
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On the squash note, the replacement summer squash and zucchini were already getting them stems eaten through.
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On the squash note, the replacement summer squash and zucchini were already getting them stems eaten through. I just went ahead and pulled them. View Quote That sucks!!! I do not miss the dreaded Vine Borer. When I lived in NY it was a never ending battle with them. Have you tried Kaolin Clay? |
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That sucks!!! I do not miss the dreaded Vine Borer. When I lived in NY it was a never ending battle with them. Have you tried Kaolin Clay? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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On the squash note, the replacement summer squash and zucchini were already getting them stems eaten through. I just went ahead and pulled them. That sucks!!! I do not miss the dreaded Vine Borer. When I lived in NY it was a never ending battle with them. Have you tried Kaolin Clay? No, I decided to go with resistant stuff next year. Thank you for the suggestion; I will keep it in mind if I decide to plant them again. |
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I am actually using a hybrid, called Early Sunglow. It lists 63 days to harvest. If you know ahead of time you can start the seeds in toilet paper roll middles and steal about 2 weeks on the timeline. I just stacked the middles in a small tupperware, and used a cut-off 2 litre soda top with the pour hole enlarged to fill them with. You can see the pics from the bloody butcher corn where I first experimented with the option. The roots grow right through the roll, and you don't have any bare patches like you would if you direct-seeded. The bloody butcher was about 10 ft tall and all but one stood through high wind with no issues. This time I just used little seedling pots and some of them are already starting to wobble. I think the roll middle encourage early root growth straight down which helps anchor the corn, but I couldn't swear to it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hi Ratling. If you mentioned it I missed it, what short season corn are you using for your second planting? Our silver queen should be ready in about a week or so and we're thinking about a second planting of some type this year. I am actually using a hybrid, called Early Sunglow. It lists 63 days to harvest. If you know ahead of time you can start the seeds in toilet paper roll middles and steal about 2 weeks on the timeline. I just stacked the middles in a small tupperware, and used a cut-off 2 litre soda top with the pour hole enlarged to fill them with. You can see the pics from the bloody butcher corn where I first experimented with the option. The roots grow right through the roll, and you don't have any bare patches like you would if you direct-seeded. The bloody butcher was about 10 ft tall and all but one stood through high wind with no issues. This time I just used little seedling pots and some of them are already starting to wobble. I think the roll middle encourage early root growth straight down which helps anchor the corn, but I couldn't swear to it. It's been interesting reading about you guys in the Carolina's and south central because you're about two weeks ahead of us. We'll be pulling the squash this weekend (SVB) and most of the cucs due to mildew. The wife thinks I'm a genius because I mention these problems in advance I would bet you are exactly right about that. |
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That sucks!!! I do not miss the dreaded Vine Borer. When I lived in NY it was a never ending battle with them. Have you tried Kaolin Clay? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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On the squash note, the replacement summer squash and zucchini were already getting them stems eaten through. I just went ahead and pulled them. That sucks!!! I do not miss the dreaded Vine Borer. When I lived in NY it was a never ending battle with them. Have you tried Kaolin Clay? CE, talk about Kaolin Clay? |
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I am actually using a hybrid, called Early Sunglow. It lists 63 days to harvest. If you know ahead of time you can start the seeds in toilet paper roll middles and steal about 2 weeks on the timeline. I just stacked the middles in a small tupperware, and used a cut-off 2 litre soda top with the pour hole enlarged to fill them with. You can see the pics from the bloody butcher corn where I first experimented with the option. The roots grow right through the roll, and you don't have any bare patches like you would if you direct-seeded. The bloody butcher was about 10 ft tall and all but one stood through high wind with no issues. This time I just used little seedling pots and some of them are already starting to wobble. I think the roll middle encourage early root growth straight down which helps anchor the corn, but I couldn't swear to it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hi Ratling. If you mentioned it I missed it, what short season corn are you using for your second planting? Our silver queen should be ready in about a week or so and we're thinking about a second planting of some type this year. I am actually using a hybrid, called Early Sunglow. It lists 63 days to harvest. If you know ahead of time you can start the seeds in toilet paper roll middles and steal about 2 weeks on the timeline. I just stacked the middles in a small tupperware, and used a cut-off 2 litre soda top with the pour hole enlarged to fill them with. You can see the pics from the bloody butcher corn where I first experimented with the option. The roots grow right through the roll, and you don't have any bare patches like you would if you direct-seeded. The bloody butcher was about 10 ft tall and all but one stood through high wind with no issues. This time I just used little seedling pots and some of them are already starting to wobble. I think the roll middle encourage early root growth straight down which helps anchor the corn, but I couldn't swear to it. Thanks, Ratling! I'm definitely going to try the tp roll idea, it makes sense and I do need to steal some calendar days up here... I poked around at the local co-op today for seed ( sunglow) and didn't have any luck but I'll try again tomorrow when I'm in a larger city for a work project. I'll check Southern Exposure too because they're within a reasonable driving distance. Sorry to hear about your second planting of squash. |
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Thanks, Ratling! I'm definitely going to try the tp roll idea, it makes sense and I do need to steal some calendar days up here... I poked around at the local co-op today for seed ( sunglow) and didn't have any luck but I'll try again tomorrow when I'm in a larger city for a work project. I'll check Southern Exposure too because they're within a reasonable driving distance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Thanks, Ratling! I'm definitely going to try the tp roll idea, it makes sense and I do need to steal some calendar days up here... I poked around at the local co-op today for seed ( sunglow) and didn't have any luck but I'll try again tomorrow when I'm in a larger city for a work project. I'll check Southern Exposure too because they're within a reasonable driving distance. Cool. Let me know how it goes for you. So far I have found them to be particularly good for beans and corn. Other plants I don't see nearly as much difference as I do with those. Quoted:
Sorry to hear about your second planting of squash. Thanks man. I had the same failure last year - I think contrary to what the interwebs say we don't have 2 separate SVB seasons here we have 2 overlapping SVB seasons. On a positive note I planted the watermelon with the thought I could trim it back if the squash survived, and let it run if it didn't, so now the watermelon has a 16 ft run. On the other side of the trellis in that bed I have butternut on one end and pumpkin on the other. The butternut is resistant to SVB, so if the pumpkin succumbs I will just let the butternut go, well, nuts. |
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On a positive note I planted the watermelon with the thought I could trim it back if the squash survived, and let it run if it didn't, so now the watermelon has a 16 ft run.
On the other side of the trellis in that bed I have butternut on one end and pumpkin on the other. The butternut is resistant to SVB, so if the pumpkin succumbs I will just let the butternut go, well, nuts. View Quote So, you've been around the block ehh |
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On a positive note I planted the watermelon with the thought I could trim it back if the squash survived, and let it run if it didn't, so now the watermelon has a 16 ft run.
On the other side of the trellis in that bed I have butternut on one end and pumpkin on the other. The butternut is resistant to SVB, so if the pumpkin succumbs I will just let the butternut go, well, nuts. So, you've been around the block ehh Yeah, well, for right now the melons are on one side of the bed and the (butter)nuts are on the other. I have no doubt by the end of August they will be crawling all over each other. |
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It is official - It's now August and I still have things alive in the garden! W00t! I started some more seedlings just in case:
forono beets bloomsdale longstanding spinach sun king broccoli |
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The recent harvest: <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115A_zps3qh7iz9j.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115A_zps3qh7iz9j.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115B_zpsvtcazupi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115B_zpsvtcazupi.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115C_zpsym9mqrfm.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115C_zpsym9mqrfm.jpg</a> The butternut squash is already starting to form baby butternuts. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115D_zpspgqrpjpu.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115D_zpspgqrpjpu.jpg</a> Pumpkin. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115E_zpsbbwwryvp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115E_zpsbbwwryvp.jpg</a> Watermelon, already forming baby melons. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115F_zpsh3cgyv03.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115F_zpsh3cgyv03.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115G_zpslpqws6cs.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115G_zpslpqws6cs.jpg</a> Tomatoes. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115H_zpsujjjbh3h.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115H_zpsujjjbh3h.jpg</a> Tomatillas and corn. The tomatillas are finally starting to produce fruit, about 2 months late. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115I_zpsclpb1mpe.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115I_zpsclpb1mpe.jpg</a> Herbs, onions, and strawberries. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115J_zpsu3zv2ogi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115J_zpsu3zv2ogi.jpg</a> Glasswort. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115K_zpstr0sdt4p.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115K_zpstr0sdt4p.jpg</a> The newest run of potatoes - I wanted to see if I could pull a decent harvest from a July planting. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115L_zpsmmjmcgrd.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115L_zpsmmjmcgrd.jpg</a> The original bucket potato experiment, still going strong. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115M_zpspekulfqq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115M_zpspekulfqq.jpg</a> Replanted supermarket green onion bottoms. I have been harvesting from them as needed and they don't seem to mind. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115O_zpszl3eghkb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115O_zpszl3eghkb.jpg</a> Sugar snaps, bush beans, winged beans(on the trellis) and eggplant. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115P_zpswynmkgph.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115P_zpswynmkgph.jpg</a> The honeydew is doing well but the cilantro is determined to bolt. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115Q_zpsqwhnuz5a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115Q_zpsqwhnuz5a.jpg</a> I am down to about a quarter of the parsnip seedlings I planted. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115R_zpsqxvk35zg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115R_zpsqxvk35zg.jpg</a> Artichoke, bush beans, and the rhubarb that refuses to die. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115S_zpssarwt8vr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115S_zpssarwt8vr.jpg</a> Of the 8 bush bean seedlings I planted here, only 2 made it through the heat. I filled the holes with daikon radish seedlings and so far they are not doing terribly well either. I may just give over July and August next year to the summer vines - watermelon, butternut, honeydew, etc. Butterbeans. Productivity-wise, fairly disappointing. The taste and tenderness were excellent though. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115U_zpsvglqpa9l.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115U_zpsvglqpa9l.jpg</a> It's kind of hard to see through the mesh seedling protector, but I planted out some carrots here last week. So far all seedlings are still alive. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115V_zpsbrvysbys.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115V_zpsbrvysbys.jpg</a> Sweet potatoes. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115W_zpsxjc398ae.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115W_zpsxjc398ae.jpg</a> Broccoli, and a better shot of a seedling cage. This keeps the neighborhood cats from digging up the bed. Once the plants are established they leave them alone, but they can't seem to resist a freshly dug bed. This one is 7 inches tall with a 1/4 inch mesh. I don't know if it is fine enough to keep out cabbage moths but I am going to find out. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115X_zps4sya0lqo.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115X_zps4sya0lqo.jpg</a> All but 1 of the beets I planted here died. All but 1 of the beets I planted a month ago elsewhere also died. I guess unlike broccoli when they call them cool weather crops they meant that. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115Y_zpsnvkv0mu9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115Y_zpsnvkv0mu9.jpg</a> Lettuce seedlings (foreground) that I transplanted a week ago. So far they are all still alive. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/073115Z_zps2ciulcnr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/073115Z_zps2ciulcnr.jpg</a> View Quote Is that Downy on your honeydew? |
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Possibly. I will spray it with copper and see what happens. I can't do anything about the humidity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is that Downy on your honeydew? Possibly. I will spray it with copper and see what happens. I can't do anything about the humidity. If it's a resistant variety it might be okay. Have you been using copper in the garden this year? |
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Is that Downy on your honeydew? Possibly. I will spray it with copper and see what happens. I can't do anything about the humidity. If it's a resistant variety it might be okay. Have you been using copper in the garden this year? Only for the apples. It has been so humid fireblight has been widespread. |
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It's time for the August birth and death listings.
Dead: The sugar baby pumpkin is doing really poorly and half-dead - I will probably rip it out. The Chinese long beans have reached their end of life and will probably come out this weekend as well. I am fighting leaf-footed stinkbugs on my eggplant - it looks like the soapy water may be working after all, I just need to be a little more persistent with it. The tomatilla - normally a huge producer for me - lost 2 months due to storm kill and replace - I don't know if I will get anything by the end of the season. The only reason I haven't ripped it out is a combination of vague hope and not having anything ready to replace it. The early corn I put in got 3 ft tall and tasseled - I suspect I did not fertilize enough to counter the combined effect of the wood chips and the corn heavy nitrogen needs. Oops. All but 1 of the English pea seedlings I set out a few weeks ago died. New plantings: I transplanted some brussels sprouts seedlings out this past weekend. I put some new lettuce seedlings out to help ensure a continuous harvest. There isn't really enough time to start and transplant more English pea seedlings. I soaked a few seeds overnight and direct planted them on the off-chance they will take I just added a new set of kale seedlings to a slightly shady spot - Once it's cooler annd the summer stuff comes out they will have full sun. Previous plantings that survived long enough to move to the probable survivors list: My broccoli just reached a few weeks old and is growing well *knock on wood*. My bush beans just hit about a month and they are flowering. My lettuce transplants just got large enough to get moved off the seedling list. The southern peas I put in just to see if there was enough time to get anything are half way up the trellis and flowering. The sugar baby watermelon is off the seedling list and has 2 decent-sized melons on it. So far neither the SVB's or the stink bugs care for the watermelon, which is a recommendation in my book. The butternut squash is off the seedlings list but so far only has 1 squash where they usually have 5 or 6 by now. I added fertilizer and we will see how it goes. The carrot seedlings I put in a month ago are large enough to come off the seedlings list. Remaining warm-season crops: tomatoes eggplant tomatilla jalapeno pepper bell pepper sweet potatoes bucket potatoes honeydew melon sugar baby watermelon winged beans (note: these little suckers STILL haven't flowered. I am not very impressed with them at all.) bush beans southern peas |
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Well, the tomatoes and butternut squash got infested with 2 different kinds of stink bugs. Since it's near the end of the season anyway I am in the process of ripping them out and sending them to the dump. The sugar baby watermelon was producing beautiful melons, but each one had a hole in it before it was ready to pick. That got ripped out too. The forecast looks like low 90's for the next 15 days, and I have unexpected holes in my garden. Again. Oh well, it went better than last year. The fall stuff in bed 4 is coming along fairly well, and I just started yet more seedlings - english peas, snow peas, spinach, cabbage, and crisphead lettuce. I am going to wait another week or so and see if the average temp goes down before putting the previous batch of seedlings into the ground.
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Well, the tomatoes and butternut squash got infested with 2 different kinds of stink bugs. Since it's near the end of the season anyway I am in the process of ripping them out and sending them to the dump. The sugar baby watermelon was producing beautiful melons, but each one had a hole in it before it was ready to pick. That got ripped out too. The forecast looks like low 90's for the next 15 days, and I have unexpected holes in my garden. Again. Oh well, it went better than last year. The fall stuff in bed 4 is coming along fairly well, and I just started yet more seedlings - english peas, snow peas, spinach, cabbage, and crisphead lettuce. I am going to wait another week or so and see if the average temp goes down before putting the previous batch of seedlings into the ground. View Quote I am, frankly, impressed as hell with your stamina. This time of year most people are just ignoring the garden and letting the weeds take it. |
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Well, the tomatoes and butternut squash got infested with 2 different kinds of stink bugs. Since it's near the end of the season anyway I am in the process of ripping them out and sending them to the dump. The sugar baby watermelon was producing beautiful melons, but each one had a hole in it before it was ready to pick. That got ripped out too. The forecast looks like low 90's for the next 15 days, and I have unexpected holes in my garden. Again. Oh well, it went better than last year. The fall stuff in bed 4 is coming along fairly well, and I just started yet more seedlings - english peas, snow peas, spinach, cabbage, and crisphead lettuce. I am going to wait another week or so and see if the average temp goes down before putting the previous batch of seedlings into the ground. I am, frankly, impressed as hell with your stamina. This time of year most people are just ignoring the garden and letting the weeds take it. Thanks! Though to be honest, it's my stress release. When work makes me want to yell at someone, I go make changes in the garden. It's better for my stress levels and my career than actually telling them what I think of their work ethics and probable IQ. |
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Quoted: The harvests are a little slow from the heat, but things are still coming in. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515B_zpsq3xw6zny.jpg http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515C_zpsmmrtgxqu.jpg http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515D_zpsnwnkzlsv.jpg http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515E_zps4iap1vef.jpg http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515F_zpslmlks53q.jpg The carrots are coming along - I lost about 20% of the seedlings - not bad for August in the South. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515H_zpsc7wrdfmg.jpg 3 of the 4 lettuce seedlings look to have made it, and I have more growing to back-fill with. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515P_zpse32qto8m.jpg Butternut squash and pumpkins. The garden is looking rough - I let the stink bug population get ahead of me when I got buried at work for a few weeks. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515J_zps4qze4ovy.jpg Corn, tomatillas and tomatoes: http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515K_zpsqt5iu6y5.jpg Watermelon: http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515L_zps2gezpbom.jpg Tomatoes: http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515M_zpsuu8agpkl.jpg Eggplant, honeydew, kholrabi, and parsnips. I sprayed the honeydew with copper which seems to have arrested the spot issue, but it still looks pretty un-cosmetic. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515O_zpsr5edn6k0.jpg So far the mesh cage appears to be working against the cabbage moth. I have some slug damage, but I haven't found a single cabbage moth worm or any eggs! Since they normally devastate things I plant this is real progress. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515R_zpsretgoavy.jpg Sweet potatoes. I actually had a few flowers on them earlier this week. Hopefully that's a sign they are busy making sweet potato tuberrs. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515S_zpsvqwgxtil.jpg Fall seedlings. The left bin has brussels sprouts, kale, lettuce, kholrabi and cabbage. Those will go in this weekend if I get the mesh cages done in time. I had a list of what was in the right bin but managed to mis-place it (Probably accidently thrown out) so it will be seedling suprise. I can tell the stuff at the top is beets, mostly due to the number of times recently I have started beet seedlings only to have them die like chumps. Edit - I just looked back through the thread, looks like I did document the first three there - beets (as I thought), more broccoli in case the last set died, and spinach. The other stuff may be more lettuce. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/081515T_zpsinzu9ipf.jpg This weekend I may make 1 more attempt at snow peas, english peas, and sugar snaps and start some more seeds. View Quote I lost 5/5 of mine within 3 days |
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You mentioned temperatures in the mid-90s. I'm surprised at your tomatoes, because all 4 years that we've had a garden, the tomatoes stopped producing fruit in early August (temps in late July topping 100 for 2 weeks straight...). This year, I left the plants because they're still growing greenery and still producing flowers, but no tomatoes. I was assuming that the heat wouldn't let the blooms set fruit, but maybe not? Thoughts?
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You mentioned temperatures in the mid-90s. I'm surprised at your tomatoes, because all 4 years that we've had a garden, the tomatoes stopped producing fruit in early August (temps in late July topping 100 for 2 weeks straight...). This year, I left the plants because they're still growing greenery and still producing flowers, but no tomatoes. I was assuming that the heat wouldn't let the blooms set fruit, but maybe not? Thoughts? View Quote I find Better Boys and Early Girls are heat tolerant to almost 100, especially if you strip the lower leaves and bury them deep. Even then when it gets about 96 or so the tomatoes formed tend to be progressively smaller until the heat lets up. If it gets over 100 ours pretty much give up too. Our local temps tend to top out at 98-ish, and they shuffle through with a minor dip in productivity at the height of the season. What varieties are you growing? |
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Well, it is the last day of August and temperatures are finally edging down closer to 90 - In another week or we will mostly see mid-80's as the highs. This is about the temperature I always get the urge to plant a fall garden. The problem with this is that it is already too late. From here we have 60 days left till November when we start getting light freezes. Very little comes properly to maturity in 60 days. I do have some seedlings already started that I will plant out and hope, but I won't start anything else. The good news is I paid a lot more attention this year. This year's fall plantings have more of a chance than last years. Next years will hopefully be better yet as I winnow down when to start the seedlings, and which ones not to bother with in fall.
For my area: carrots - Works well, but start them inside early August or wait until September and direct seed in the cooler weather. Water really well the first week or so. lettuces - Works well, but start them inside at 1 week intervals starting early August. Water really well the first week or so. broccoli - Short season seem to work okay, start indoors mid-July and transplant mid-August. brussels sprouts - These may work as they handle the heat okay for starting, but I will need to start them a lot earlier, say, July. peas (english, sugar snaps, snow) - These may work. Will need to start in early August in peat pots, transfer out last week of August when things start to cool. beets - So far mostly a failure. Possibly if I started some inside at the start of August, and planted out a week or so into September. I am testing this now, however it doesn't leave a lot of time to size up. They really, really don't like the August heat. spinach - I am currently testing a late August seeding for a early September planting. cauliflower - I have had 0 luck with these every year. Most websites suggest not bothering unless you live somewhere like the pacific north west. kale - My mid-July seed start for mid-August transplant is working so far. radishes - I haven't tried these in fall before other than daikon - I may run some just to see as they are so quick to produce. cabbage - This is my first year trying cabbage in fall instead of spring. Most likely I put it in too late but we will see what happens. I might look around for a short-season cabbage next year kholrabi - This can go in as early as mid-july and doesn't seem to mind the heat. As always, this is just what is working at the moment in my yard. YMMV. |
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I (accidently) grew Huitlacoche aka Mexican corn truffle aka corn smut. No, I did not eat it. View Quote What is that? I've never seen anything like that here. Also.. It's interesting, your choices and what works. Good illustration of every garden in every zone being it's own different animal. Here we had an unusually cool August but looks like going in we're gonna have a hot September. Might happen one year, might not the next. I dont' know if you're more consistent than we are or not. I think, 100 years from now, there might be an approximation of a climate cycle chart that will help. "In year X we go into El Nino. So in year X3, August will be cool, so you can plan on X plants doing well, and y bugs having a heyday." In year X4, we go into an even cooler cycle.... In year X5, things turn hot again, and the whole summer will be dry and will not get below 85 even at night." Seriously we are young at this charting thing. Diaries like yours will be beneficial to gardeners many generations from now, assuming Goatboy can code the archives so they can be read by future generations. Arfcom will be a time capsule of a sort, and it'll include documentation of gardens such as yours. This is good stuff. |
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What is that? I've never seen anything like that here. Also.. It's interesting, your choices and what works. Good illustration of every garden in every zone being it's own different animal. Here we had an unusually cool August but looks like going in we're gonna have a hot September. Might happen one year, might not the next. I dont' know if you're more consistent than we are or not. I think, 100 years from now, there might be an approximation of a climate cycle chart that will help. "In year X we go into El Nino. So in year X3, August will be cool, so you can plan on X plants doing well, and y bugs having a heyday." In year X4, we go into an even cooler cycle.... In year X5, things turn hot again, and the whole summer will be dry and will not get below 85 even at night." Seriously we are young at this charting thing. Diaries like yours will be beneficial to gardeners many generations from now, assuming Goatboy can code the archives so they can be read by future generations. Arfcom will be a time capsule of a sort, and it'll include documentation of gardens such as yours. This is good stuff. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I (accidently) grew Huitlacoche aka Mexican corn truffle aka corn smut. No, I did not eat it. What is that? I've never seen anything like that here. Also.. It's interesting, your choices and what works. Good illustration of every garden in every zone being it's own different animal. Here we had an unusually cool August but looks like going in we're gonna have a hot September. Might happen one year, might not the next. I dont' know if you're more consistent than we are or not. I think, 100 years from now, there might be an approximation of a climate cycle chart that will help. "In year X we go into El Nino. So in year X3, August will be cool, so you can plan on X plants doing well, and y bugs having a heyday." In year X4, we go into an even cooler cycle.... In year X5, things turn hot again, and the whole summer will be dry and will not get below 85 even at night." Seriously we are young at this charting thing. Diaries like yours will be beneficial to gardeners many generations from now, assuming Goatboy can code the archives so they can be read by future generations. Arfcom will be a time capsule of a sort, and it'll include documentation of gardens such as yours. This is good stuff. Thanks Kitties! The corn stuff is basically corn smut. In the US it is generally considered a negative and we spray to avoid it. In Mexico it is considered an expensive delicacy. From what I understand it is an acquired taste, although apparently it contains vitamins not found in the original corn. I imagine for a culture dependent in large part on corn for it's diet, those extra vitamins went a long way to preventing malnutrition in hard times. |
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Thanks Kitties! The corn stuff is basically corn smut. In the US it is generally considered a negative and we spray to avoid it. In Mexico it is considered an expensive delicacy. From what I understand it is an acquired taste, although apparently it contains vitamins not found in the original corn. I imagine for a culture dependent in large part on corn for it's diet, those extra vitamins went a long way to preventing malnutrition in hard times. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I (accidently) grew Huitlacoche aka Mexican corn truffle aka corn smut. No, I did not eat it. What is that? I've never seen anything like that here. Also.. It's interesting, your choices and what works. Good illustration of every garden in every zone being it's own different animal. Here we had an unusually cool August but looks like going in we're gonna have a hot September. Might happen one year, might not the next. I dont' know if you're more consistent than we are or not. I think, 100 years from now, there might be an approximation of a climate cycle chart that will help. "In year X we go into El Nino. So in year X3, August will be cool, so you can plan on X plants doing well, and y bugs having a heyday." In year X4, we go into an even cooler cycle.... In year X5, things turn hot again, and the whole summer will be dry and will not get below 85 even at night." Seriously we are young at this charting thing. Diaries like yours will be beneficial to gardeners many generations from now, assuming Goatboy can code the archives so they can be read by future generations. Arfcom will be a time capsule of a sort, and it'll include documentation of gardens such as yours. This is good stuff. Thanks Kitties! The corn stuff is basically corn smut. In the US it is generally considered a negative and we spray to avoid it. In Mexico it is considered an expensive delicacy. From what I understand it is an acquired taste, although apparently it contains vitamins not found in the original corn. I imagine for a culture dependent in large part on corn for it's diet, those extra vitamins went a long way to preventing malnutrition in hard times. Gotta wonder if the native Americans had that on their corn. OKay I have read a couple of articles on huitlacoche. Are you going to attempt to use it? Sounds like for a foodie it would be really interesting...adds a bunch of flavor profiles to certain dishes. |
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OKay I have read a couple of articles on huitlacoche. Are you going to attempt to use it? Nope. It scares me. This is a research opportunity. DO EEET! J/K Seriously if you poke at it or anything, post more pics. I've never seen ANYTHING like that before. |
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Cool. Let me know how it goes for you. So far I have found them to be particularly good for beans and corn. Other plants I don't see nearly as much difference as I do with those. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks, Ratling! I'm definitely going to try the tp roll idea, it makes sense and I do need to steal some calendar days up here... I poked around at the local co-op today for seed ( sunglow) and didn't have any luck but I'll try again tomorrow when I'm in a larger city for a work project. I'll check Southern Exposure too because they're within a reasonable driving distance. Cool. Let me know how it goes for you. So far I have found them to be particularly good for beans and corn. Other plants I don't see nearly as much difference as I do with those. The rolls actually worked very well in the plastic tub. Germination of the Sunglow corn only took 3-4 days and I pulled a couple of the plants when about 4 inches tall to inspect the root development and they looked good. Unfortunatley, despite almost no rain here in August, we had one storm that dumped about an inch of rain over 15 minutes and it destroyed the corn in the tub along with the cilantro etc in flats. My mistake by leaving them vulnerable... I was going to plant them in two days but missed the boat... |
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The rolls actually worked very well in the plastic tub. Germination of the Sunglow corn only took 3-4 days and I pulled a couple of the plants when about 4 inches tall to inspect the root development and they looked good. Unfortunatley, despite almost no rain here in August, we had one storm that dumped about an inch of rain over 15 minutes and it destroyed the corn in the tub along with the cilantro etc in flats. My mistake by leaving them vulnerable... I was going to plant them in two days but missed the boat... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks, Ratling! I'm definitely going to try the tp roll idea, it makes sense and I do need to steal some calendar days up here... I poked around at the local co-op today for seed ( sunglow) and didn't have any luck but I'll try again tomorrow when I'm in a larger city for a work project. I'll check Southern Exposure too because they're within a reasonable driving distance. Cool. Let me know how it goes for you. So far I have found them to be particularly good for beans and corn. Other plants I don't see nearly as much difference as I do with those. The rolls actually worked very well in the plastic tub. Germination of the Sunglow corn only took 3-4 days and I pulled a couple of the plants when about 4 inches tall to inspect the root development and they looked good. Unfortunatley, despite almost no rain here in August, we had one storm that dumped about an inch of rain over 15 minutes and it destroyed the corn in the tub along with the cilantro etc in flats. My mistake by leaving them vulnerable... I was going to plant them in two days but missed the boat... I am glad to hear the rolls and tub worked well for you. It's a shame about the storm damage, but there is always next year! |
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<snip> Kitties, you can see a burst corn smut pocket around the middle ear - it is a nasty tar-like black inside. blech. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/090615B_zpsnpdepsnb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/090615B_zpsnpdepsnb.jpg</a> <snip> View Quote Hmmm...I wondered if tasted mushroomy at all, but with that tarry-ness I'm guessing not. |
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Why did you give up on the eggplant? It was nearing the end of the season and it had stopped flowering. I will plant more next year. That makes sense. I was wondering if the pests and August had stressed it too much. Ours have slowed but are still producing flowers, fingers crossed. Good luck with your fall push, the color of your plants looks real good. |
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Why did you give up on the eggplant? It was nearing the end of the season and it had stopped flowering. I will plant more next year. That makes sense. I was wondering if the pests and August had stressed it too much. Ours have slowed but are still producing flowers, fingers crossed. Good luck with your fall push, the color of your plants looks real good. Thanks Bill! |
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Just how low do your temperatures get over winter? It's been my experience that most of what you are growing right now will survive repeated frosts with no problem. The Brassicas are especially hardy. I bet you could grow kale, cabbage, and brussle sprouts all winter long as long they got established before the weather turned too cold. Spinach is pretty hardy and frankly I don't even try to plant it until the temps are consistently below 70 degrees. It too would probably grow all winter long as long as it wasn't buried under snow. Mache or corn salad is another salad green that would be worth investigating. Since you have been having trouble with beets, try sowing some now. They will survive frosts. Most cold tolerant crops actually taste better once they've been hit by a frost. One year I grew spinach, lettuce, broccoli, and cauliflower where the over night lows were particularly cold for my area (down to 18 degrees). Everything survived with only a light sheet covering the plants at night. Down to 27 degrees or so the aforementioned crops don't even need to be covered.
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Just how low do your temperatures get over winter? It's been my experience that most of what you are growing right now will survive repeated frosts with no problem. The Brassicas are especially hardy. I bet you could grow kale, cabbage, and brussle sprouts all winter long as long they got established before the weather turned too cold. Spinach is pretty hardy and frankly I don't even try to plant it until the temps are consistently below 70 degrees. It too would probably grow all winter long as long as it wasn't buried under snow. Mache or corn salad is another salad green that would be worth investigating. Since you have been having trouble with beets, try sowing some now. They will survive frosts. Most cold tolerant crops actually taste better once they've been hit by a frost. One year I grew spinach, lettuce, broccoli, and cauliflower where the over night lows were particularly cold for my area (down to 18 degrees). Everything survived with only a light sheet covering the plants at night. Down to 27 degrees or so the aforementioned crops don't even need to be covered. View Quote We drop down to single digits here a couple of times each winter. |
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Ratling, hope all is well, how are you guys doing down there? We've had about eight days of rain and some flooding but I think your area got the bulk of it..
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Ratling, hope all is well, how are you guys doing down there? We've had about eight days of rain and some flooding but I think your area got the bulk of it.. Yes, this. Check in when you can, Ratling, and let us know if all is well for you. All I can say is "raised bed gardens ftw!" |
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LOL- Good to see that you still have a sense of humor!
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