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Yesterday's harvest and the first of the eggplant. I picked it a bit early because it had a spot where I thought it might be starting to go bad. I cooked it in a pan with some butter and salt so I could taste it without other flavors in the way...wow. It didn't taste like what I think of as eggplant - it was somewhere between squash and mushrooms. A definite win! <snip>.. View Quote Your gardens are consistently beautiful. I am not seeing you post about pest management. (I might have missed that in earlier posts..I have not read every post in detail. I have skimmed.) Does this mean you aren't having to deal with pests? Or you're managing them off stage? Or do you believe your raised beds and fertility management are deterring pests overall? Or what? Very interested in this, as my square foot beds have collapsed and need to be rebuilt for next year. Am willing to do what you are doing, but interested in the pest management. |
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Your gardens are consistently beautiful. I am not seeing you post about pest management. (I might have missed that in earlier posts..I have not read every post in detail. I have skimmed.) Does this mean you aren't having to deal with pests? Or you're managing them off stage? Or do you believe your raised beds and fertility management are deterring pests overall? Or what? Very interested in this, as my square foot beds have collapsed and need to be rebuilt for next year. Am willing to do what you are doing, but interested in the pest management. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yesterday's harvest and the first of the eggplant. I picked it a bit early because it had a spot where I thought it might be starting to go bad. I cooked it in a pan with some butter and salt so I could taste it without other flavors in the way...wow. It didn't taste like what I think of as eggplant - it was somewhere between squash and mushrooms. A definite win! <snip>.. Your gardens are consistently beautiful. I am not seeing you post about pest management. (I might have missed that in earlier posts..I have not read every post in detail. I have skimmed.) Does this mean you aren't having to deal with pests? Or you're managing them off stage? Or do you believe your raised beds and fertility management are deterring pests overall? Or what? Very interested in this, as my square foot beds have collapsed and need to be rebuilt for next year. Am willing to do what you are doing, but interested in the pest management. Thank you Kitties. I definitely have pests. Right now they are eating my peppers, and I can't find the little #$@%!!!ers. I have a series of things I do to control pests: 1. Healthy plants get less pests, so I try to keep them in good shape. The raised beds help with this as I have more control of their environment. 2. I try different varieties to see if there is an alternate the local bugs don't like as much. 3. If something really gets eaten up, I give a hard thought to whether I want to bother growing it. 4. Planting a bit early/late to avoid usual attackers when possible. 5. Application of environmental controls/pesticides as needed. 6. If something is just not thriving or the pests are running rampant even with controls I pull it out and send the whole thing to the dump. 7. This fall I plan on running black plastic over the beds and solar-sterilizing them. 8. In early spring I run a tiller through the beds. This loosens the soil and helps expose the grubs for the local birds. 9. Since I have 4 beds I practice crop rotation and try not to put the same thing in the same place twice in a row. |
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If you would like to get some good Brussels sprouts, consider keep the plants alive through summer and into winter. The sprouts and greens will taste better once they have been through a frost. I kept some alive in my garden through the worst part of summer last year so they will definitely survive the heat as long as you keep them watered. Aphids and cabbage worms will show up eventually, but they are easy to deal with. The reason I suggest keeping them alive rather than replanting in the fall is because they take quite awhile to grow. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they even survived your winter as they are pretty hardy.
As to the peppers, maybe post some pictures of the damage and someone might be able to identify the culprit and a remedy. Neem oil and soap mixed with water has helped me deter some pest from my peppers this year. If hornworms are the problem, BT works really well on them. |
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The reason I suggest keeping them alive rather than replanting in the fall is because they take quite awhile to grow. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they even survived your winter as they are pretty hardy. Last year our winter killed them. It stays mostly mild here but we always get a few days out of the blue of 14 degrees or less. I have also noticed that sharp cold snaps stunt them if I start them in fall. Based on what you are saying I may start some now in seedling trays and move them out in August to finish for fall though and see what happens. Quoted:
As to the peppers, maybe post some pictures of the damage and someone might be able to identify the culprit and a remedy. Neem oil and soap mixed with water has helped me deter some pest from my peppers this year. If hornworms are the problem, BT works really well on them. Thanks. I will try to get pics. |
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I'm really glad that you liked the eggplant! I think you'll be real happy with the ichiban production too. Not meaning to derail your thread but if it wasn't for my wife and friends sharing new to me veggies I would still be eating pot roast, green beans and potato every night!
I noticed your cilantro "green" berries, have you tried them before they turn to seed? We're hearing recently that they're pretty good. Ours are flowering now so shortly we'll give them a taste. We're also going to plant some seed today in partial shade with the hope that the foliage will time out better with the tomato harvest for salsa. Have you tried a second cycle? |
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I'm really glad that you liked the eggplant! I think you'll be real happy with the ichiban production too. Not meaning to derail your thread but if it wasn't for my wife and friends sharing new to me veggies I would still be eating pot roast, green beans and potato every night! I noticed your cilantro "green" berries, have you tried them before they turn to seed? We're hearing recently that they're pretty good. Ours are flowering now so shortly we'll give them a taste. We're also going to plant some seed today in partial shade with the hope that the foliage will time out better with the tomato harvest for salsa. Have you tried a second cycle? View Quote I have not tried the cilantro berries green. I did re-start a new one, so far the slugs have been eating the heck out of it. I am going to add slug bait tonight and see if it recovers. I have been trying new veggies and different ways of growing existing ones because my favorite veggies are almost all cool-weather crops that just don't do well here. Things like eggplant that can handle the heat are great additions. I have also read some things can handle the heat when young, so I am going to try some August seedlings of cool weather stuff even though it is hot as the blazes and see if anything survives. Hey, has anyone tried growing Samphire/glasswort? |
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I noticed your cilantro "green" berries, have you tried them before they turn to seed? We're hearing recently that they're pretty good. Ours are flowering now so shortly we'll give them a taste. We're also going to plant some seed today in partial shade with the hope that the foliage will time out better with the tomato harvest for salsa. Have you tried a second cycle? View Quote I just tried the cilantro berries. They tasted soapy to me, which is odd because I am not one of the folks that thinks cilantro tastes soapy normally. I also tried the first of the ground cherries - the little paper-husk things seen in some of the harvest pics. They taste like tiny, citrus-y tomatoes. Not bad at all, although I am not sure if they are worth all the space they take. Oh well, I don't have enough other things that survive our summer to worry about it all that much. |
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Ratling, how does that corn taste?
I'm afraid after being spoiled to the supersweets, I would do better to buy and not try to grow. There's a real art to growing the supersweets and getting the harvest in before the bugs destroy it. I don't have the magic. |
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Ratling, how does that corn taste? I'm afraid after being spoiled to the supersweets, I would do better to buy and not try to grow. There's a real art to growing the supersweets and getting the harvest in before the bugs destroy it. I don't have the magic. View Quote Rather chewy and not very sweet, but with an interesting nutty flavor. It is listed as a dent corn though, that is good for fresh eating if picked young. Basically I used this to test the theory that the less-sweet heirloom varieties would have fewer pests, which appears to hold up. The next trick (maybe next year) is to see how sweet a corn I can get away with and still not have it attacked. |
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The only way I like rhubarb is in a strawberry rhubarb pie. Ok to be honest, the only way I've tried rhubarb is in a pie. It was incredible, though!
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Which has grown better for you in the heat, ground cherries, tomatillos, or tomatoes?
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Which has grown better for you in the heat, ground cherries, tomatillos, or tomatoes? View Quote The tomatoes don't like the heat, but they haven't stopped producing, just slowed. This year it is hard to say between ground cherries and tomatillas, because the tomatillas got knocked out in a storm and I had to re-start. I would say both do about the same allowing for that. Based on last year the tomatillas produce a lot more lbs of fruit. They are both prolific but the ground cherries are about the size of a pea inside their husks, and I am growing purple tomatillas that come out about the size of golf balls. The green tomatillas seem to grow a lot bigger (maybe 2x) but the purple ones hide less. Neither seem to mind the heat at all. Tomatillas also split their husk when they are ripe - the ground cherries each need to be peeled. I probably won't grow the GC again, and just stick with the T. |
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Thanks for the info. I grow tomatoes with the hopes of getting enough to make salsa but my timing is always off. Once it gets hot here, which is pretty early in the year, the tomatoes really slow down or even stop their fruit production. What fruit they do put on always ends up being much smaller in size than normal. Once the heat hit, medium sized tomatoes only grow to cherry size and cherry tomatoes barely get as big as a marble. Large fruiting varieties usually don't even set fruit. The problem with the fruiting size isn't the soil, nutrition, water, or pest/disease because before the heat comes and in the fall after things have cooled down I will get larger fruit. With the smaller fruit sizes I have come to expect, I would need to grow a lot of tomato plants to harvest enough tomatoes to make it worth while. Since I also like salsa verde, I'm thinking next year I will try tomatillos and see if they are a better option than tomatoes for salsa making, given my extreme climate.
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I just tried the cilantro berries. They tasted soapy to me, which is odd because I am not one of the folks that thinks cilantro tastes soapy normally. I also tried the first of the ground cherries - the little paper-husk things seen in some of the harvest pics. They taste like tiny, citrus-y tomatoes. Not bad at all, although I am not sure if they are worth all the space they take. Oh well, I don't have enough other things that survive our summer to worry about it all that much. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I noticed your cilantro "green" berries, have you tried them before they turn to seed? We're hearing recently that they're pretty good. Ours are flowering now so shortly we'll give them a taste. We're also going to plant some seed today in partial shade with the hope that the foliage will time out better with the tomato harvest for salsa. Have you tried a second cycle? I just tried the cilantro berries. They tasted soapy to me, which is odd because I am not one of the folks that thinks cilantro tastes soapy normally. I also tried the first of the ground cherries - the little paper-husk things seen in some of the harvest pics. They taste like tiny, citrus-y tomatoes. Not bad at all, although I am not sure if they are worth all the space they take. Oh well, I don't have enough other things that survive our summer to worry about it all that much. Thank you, Ratling, appreciate the update. Ours are still forming berries but after your update I think that my wife may enjoy them more than I because the taste of cilantro is something that I've only started to enjoy in recent years. Regarding the holes in the middle of the leaves of some of your plants... Do you have Japanese beetles in your area? They have showed up here recently and they have been targeting the corn, eggplant and ornamental rose plants. Damage looks similar to yours, middle of the leaf instead of the edge. |
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Thanks for the info. I grow tomatoes with the hopes of getting enough to make salsa but my timing is always off. Once it gets hot here, which is pretty early in the year, the tomatoes really slow down or even stop their fruit production. What fruit they do put on always ends up being much smaller in size than normal. Once the heat hit, medium sized tomatoes only grow to cherry size and cherry tomatoes barely get as big as a marble. Large fruiting varieties usually don't even set fruit. The problem with the fruiting size isn't the soil, nutrition, water, or pest/disease because before the heat comes and in the fall after things have cooled down I will get larger fruit. With the smaller fruit sizes I have come to expect, I would need to grow a lot of tomato plants to harvest enough tomatoes to make it worth while. Since I also like salsa verde, I'm thinking next year I will try tomatillos and see if they are a better option than tomatoes for salsa making, given my extreme climate. View Quote Anytime. On the tomato front I have had good luck with celebrity, early girl, and better boy here. It also helps to strip most of the leaves and bury the stem deep. Tomatoes will root along the stem and this seems to help heat and water stress. I usually leave the top 2 courses of leaves, strip the rest off, and bury to the remaining leaves. The tomatillas make great salsa verde! |
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Thank you, Ratling, appreciate the update. Ours are still forming berries but after your update I think that my wife may enjoy them more than I because the taste of cilantro is something that I've only started to enjoy in recent years. Regarding the holes in the middle of the leaves of some of your plants... Do you have Japanese beetles in your area? They have showed up here recently and they have been targeting the corn, eggplant and ornamental rose plants. Damage looks similar to yours, middle of the leaf instead of the edge. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I noticed your cilantro "green" berries, have you tried them before they turn to seed? We're hearing recently that they're pretty good. Ours are flowering now so shortly we'll give them a taste. We're also going to plant some seed today in partial shade with the hope that the foliage will time out better with the tomato harvest for salsa. Have you tried a second cycle? I just tried the cilantro berries. They tasted soapy to me, which is odd because I am not one of the folks that thinks cilantro tastes soapy normally. I also tried the first of the ground cherries - the little paper-husk things seen in some of the harvest pics. They taste like tiny, citrus-y tomatoes. Not bad at all, although I am not sure if they are worth all the space they take. Oh well, I don't have enough other things that survive our summer to worry about it all that much. Thank you, Ratling, appreciate the update. Ours are still forming berries but after your update I think that my wife may enjoy them more than I because the taste of cilantro is something that I've only started to enjoy in recent years. Regarding the holes in the middle of the leaves of some of your plants... Do you have Japanese beetles in your area? They have showed up here recently and they have been targeting the corn, eggplant and ornamental rose plants. Damage looks similar to yours, middle of the leaf instead of the edge. It's possible it was jap beetles. We just finished our beetle season here so if that is the case I should be in the clear from here on out (at least on this). |
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Anytime. On the tomato front I have had good luck with celebrity, early girl, and better boy here. It also helps to strip most of the leaves and bury the stem deep. Tomatoes will root along the stem and this seems to help heat and water stress. I usually leave the top 2 courses of leaves, strip the rest off, and bury to the remaining leaves. The tomatillas make great salsa verde! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks for the info. I grow tomatoes with the hopes of getting enough to make salsa but my timing is always off. Once it gets hot here, which is pretty early in the year, the tomatoes really slow down or even stop their fruit production. What fruit they do put on always ends up being much smaller in size than normal. Once the heat hit, medium sized tomatoes only grow to cherry size and cherry tomatoes barely get as big as a marble. Large fruiting varieties usually don't even set fruit. The problem with the fruiting size isn't the soil, nutrition, water, or pest/disease because before the heat comes and in the fall after things have cooled down I will get larger fruit. With the smaller fruit sizes I have come to expect, I would need to grow a lot of tomato plants to harvest enough tomatoes to make it worth while. Since I also like salsa verde, I'm thinking next year I will try tomatillos and see if they are a better option than tomatoes for salsa making, given my extreme climate. Anytime. On the tomato front I have had good luck with celebrity, early girl, and better boy here. It also helps to strip most of the leaves and bury the stem deep. Tomatoes will root along the stem and this seems to help heat and water stress. I usually leave the top 2 courses of leaves, strip the rest off, and bury to the remaining leaves. The tomatillas make great salsa verde! I have also found Celebrity and Early Girls to be better for handling the heat. I deep plant my tomatoes but frankly it gets so hot here that even with deep planting and a thick layer of mulch, they still need to be watered every day or they will wilt and succumb to blossom end rot. |
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I have also found Celebrity and Early Girls to be better for handling the heat. I deep plant my tomatoes but frankly it gets so hot here that even with deep planting and a thick layer of mulch, they still need to be watered every day or they will wilt and succumb to blossom end rot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks for the info. I grow tomatoes with the hopes of getting enough to make salsa but my timing is always off. Once it gets hot here, which is pretty early in the year, the tomatoes really slow down or even stop their fruit production. What fruit they do put on always ends up being much smaller in size than normal. Once the heat hit, medium sized tomatoes only grow to cherry size and cherry tomatoes barely get as big as a marble. Large fruiting varieties usually don't even set fruit. The problem with the fruiting size isn't the soil, nutrition, water, or pest/disease because before the heat comes and in the fall after things have cooled down I will get larger fruit. With the smaller fruit sizes I have come to expect, I would need to grow a lot of tomato plants to harvest enough tomatoes to make it worth while. Since I also like salsa verde, I'm thinking next year I will try tomatillos and see if they are a better option than tomatoes for salsa making, given my extreme climate. Anytime. On the tomato front I have had good luck with celebrity, early girl, and better boy here. It also helps to strip most of the leaves and bury the stem deep. Tomatoes will root along the stem and this seems to help heat and water stress. I usually leave the top 2 courses of leaves, strip the rest off, and bury to the remaining leaves. The tomatillas make great salsa verde! I have also found Celebrity and Early Girls to be better for handling the heat. I deep plant my tomatoes but frankly it gets so hot here that even with deep planting and a thick layer of mulch, they still need to be watered every day or they will wilt and succumb to blossom end rot. I am sorry to hear that. Hopefully the tomatillas will work out well for you - I haven't noticed any heat issues at all with those. Just don't make the mistake I did earlier this year and try planting 1 - they need at least 2 to cross-pollinate, or you won't get any of the delicious fruit. |
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Well, all but one of the summer squash plants just succumbed to the SVB. The last one is holding out but it is probably only a matter of time. On a positive note, the replacement is getting nicely established in a completely different bed, and wasn't far enough along to attract them. I expect the zucchini will follow shortly (if not I am buying stock in the liquid injector stuff) but I just started a replacement for that a few days ago.
On a different note I just found out why my winged beans aren't flowering - flower and bean set are triggered by the days shortening in the fall. Based on that I should have planted these mid-year for most efficient use of space. |
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I was in Home Depot yesterday and found 50-cell packs of peat pots for 2.50. (5x10-cell flats). Yep, they came home. I potted up a 10 cell flat each of mellow yellow beans and tenderpick. The tenderpick I planted a few weeks ago didn't care to be pulled out of the plastic flat at the size I moved it, so hopefully this will work better. They are both about 62 days to harvest so they should work well if they survive the heat. *crosses fingers*
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<snip> I started researching other solutions to the SVB issue and came across some information on the southern exposure seed exchange page (great site, with great info!). SVB's love genotype c.pepo, which includes a number of pumpkins, zucchini, and summer squash, among others. They do not care for c.moschata, which includes butternut squash. With that in mind I ordered different seed for next year. Instead of planting zucchini, summer squash, and sugar baby pumpkins and just fighting the SVB (and losing), I will plant: trombochino (can be picked young as s.squash or left to age to winter squash tan cheese pumpkin - supposedly best taste for pies anyway. healing squash edible gourd (zucchini substitute when picked young) Luffa also supposedly makes a good zucchini substitute if picked young, but I only have space to try a few of these, and even so will probably have to prune hard. Here's to frustrated and unhappy SVB's!! View Quote I may try some of these as well next year. I've just got squash and zucchs coming up now. And a bunch of pumpkins and gourds that I planted too late by just shoving the leftover decorative gourds and pumpkins from last fall into the ground. So I've basically planted a damn SVB buffet this year. But I'm so much later than normal, I'm hoping for a timing miracle. Thanks for the reference to the Southern Exposure page. Will make use of that for info. Kitties |
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Thanks for the reference to the Southern Exposure page. Will make use of that for info. Kitties View Quote You're welcome. I found it very informative - I really like the idea of planting one squash that can be used as either a summer or winter squash, depending on how long you leave it on the vine. It does answer the age-old question of what to do with a glut of squash! |
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I noticed your cilantro "green" berries, have you tried them before they turn to seed? We're hearing recently that they're pretty good. Ours are flowering now so shortly we'll give them a taste. We're also going to plant some seed today in partial shade with the hope that the foliage will time out better with the tomato harvest for salsa. Have you tried a second cycle? I just tried the cilantro berries. They tasted soapy to me, which is odd because I am not one of the folks that thinks cilantro tastes soapy normally. Thanks for that update. We tried some berries this past week and can't say that we enjoyed them either. Coriander they will be! |
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Thanks for that update. We tried some berries this past week and can't say that we enjoyed them either. Coriander they will be! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I noticed your cilantro "green" berries, have you tried them before they turn to seed? We're hearing recently that they're pretty good. Ours are flowering now so shortly we'll give them a taste. We're also going to plant some seed today in partial shade with the hope that the foliage will time out better with the tomato harvest for salsa. Have you tried a second cycle? I just tried the cilantro berries. They tasted soapy to me, which is odd because I am not one of the folks that thinks cilantro tastes soapy normally. Thanks for that update. We tried some berries this past week and can't say that we enjoyed them either. Coriander they will be! Sounds good! So far the coriander seeds I have drying in the garage are starting to separate from the plant. The scent is very nice which bodes well I suppose. I have been very pleased with how easy this one was to harvest *knock on wood* and I will probably do it again some time. |
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You know you have a gardening addiction when... You are already planning next year's garden before you are halfway through the current year. Thanks! (I have a lot to learn.) |
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I have been pleasantly suprised with the yield from the yardlong beans. Now that they aren't shadowed by the corn plants they are producing a decent amount on a daily basis off of fairly small, scraggly plants. I imagine larger plants grown with better sun would produce even more. I will definitly plant this again next year, but possible the red noodle variety instead. The green variety beans mimic stems and can hide a bit better than I like. The last few days' harvest: <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/071515C_zpstnefyesl.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/071515C_zpstnefyesl.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/071515A_zpsccin98vk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/071515A_zpsccin98vk.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/071515B_zpsfh8hqxgp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/071515B_zpsfh8hqxgp.jpg</a> View Quote Ratling I've never had the yard-long beans. How are they in comparison to regular green beans as far as taste, strings, toughness, etc...and do they have an actual developed"bean" in there by the time you pick them? Do you usually cook your green beans? Eat them raw? Can them? Growing up, I sat on the porch and broke beans with my family for hours, especially in canning season, and listened to endless discussions of stick beans vs bush beans (around here the old timers called those "bunch" beans) and Kentucky Wonders vs Blue Lakes vs endless other varieties. They'd grown them all, and there are far more now I would guess. Some of those were passed down through families. As an example, this spring/summer I helped my mom (who cannot work a garden now) till up a spot so she could plant the last of her small jar of "mama's little brown stick beans" (her "mama"). I don't know what's different about them, but I recognize that there are a lot of subtleties |
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Ratling I've never had the yard-long beans. How are they in comparison to regular green beans as far as taste, strings, toughness, etc...and do they have an actual developed"bean" in there by the time you pick them? Do you usually cook your green beans? Eat them raw? Can them? Growing up, I sat on the porch and broke beans with my family for hours, especially in canning season, and listened to endless discussions of stick beans vs bush beans (around here the old timers called those "bunch" beans) and Kentucky Wonders vs Blue Lakes vs endless other varieties. They'd grown them all, and there are far more now I would guess. Some of those were passed down through families. As an example, this spring/summer I helped my mom (who cannot work a garden now) till up a spot so she could plant the last of her small jar of "mama's little brown stick beans" (her "mama"). I don't know what's different about them, but I recognize that there are a lot of subtleties View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have been pleasantly suprised with the yield from the yardlong beans. Now that they aren't shadowed by the corn plants they are producing a decent amount on a daily basis off of fairly small, scraggly plants. I imagine larger plants grown with better sun would produce even more. I will definitly plant this again next year, but possible the red noodle variety instead. The green variety beans mimic stems and can hide a bit better than I like. The last few days' harvest: <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/071515C_zpstnefyesl.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/071515C_zpstnefyesl.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/071515A_zpsccin98vk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/071515A_zpsccin98vk.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/071515B_zpsfh8hqxgp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/071515B_zpsfh8hqxgp.jpg</a> Ratling I've never had the yard-long beans. How are they in comparison to regular green beans as far as taste, strings, toughness, etc...and do they have an actual developed"bean" in there by the time you pick them? Do you usually cook your green beans? Eat them raw? Can them? Growing up, I sat on the porch and broke beans with my family for hours, especially in canning season, and listened to endless discussions of stick beans vs bush beans (around here the old timers called those "bunch" beans) and Kentucky Wonders vs Blue Lakes vs endless other varieties. They'd grown them all, and there are far more now I would guess. Some of those were passed down through families. As an example, this spring/summer I helped my mom (who cannot work a garden now) till up a spot so she could plant the last of her small jar of "mama's little brown stick beans" (her "mama"). I don't know what's different about them, but I recognize that there are a lot of subtleties They taste like somewhat cabbage-y regular green beans, are stringless, and they do have actual beans inside. They are not great for fresh eating, and the texture is not quite as good. What they are excellent for however is Chinese green beans, like you get at buffets: sauce: 2 tbsp h20 1 tbsp soy 1 tsp cornstarch 1/2 tsp sesame oil (optional) 1/2 tsp brown sugar (I use splenda) 1/4 tsp red pepper flakes (or to taste) Mix this up and toss your washed, cut to length green beans into a pot of boiling water for 5 minutes while you heat a fry pan up to medium hot. Add just a splash of olive or peanut oil, 1 tsp minced fresh ginger, and a minced garlic clove. After about 30 seconds to let it heat and permeate the oil toss in the green beans for about 5 more minutes. Dump the sauce on, cook for another minute, and serve. Rich, savory, and crunchy. yum! |
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They taste like somewhat cabbage-y regular green beans, are stringless, and they do have actual beans inside. They are not great for fresh eating, and the texture is not quite as good. What they are excellent for however is Chinese green beans, like you get at buffets: sauce: 2 tbsp h20 1 tbsp soy 1 tsp cornstarch 1/2 tsp sesame oil (optional) 1/2 tsp brown sugar (I use splenda) 1/4 tsp red pepper flakes (or to taste) Mix this up and toss your washed, cut to length green beans into a pot of boiling water for 5 minutes while you heat a fry pan up to medium hot. Add just a splash of olive or peanut oil, 1 tsp minced fresh ginger, and a minced garlic clove. After about 30 seconds to let it heat and permeate the oil toss in the green beans for about 5 more minutes. Dump the sauce on, cook for another minute, and serve. Rich, savory, and crunchy. yum! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ratling I've never had the yard-long beans. How are they in comparison to regular green beans as far as taste, strings, toughness, etc...and do they have an actual developed"bean" in there by the time you pick them? Do you usually cook your green beans? Eat them raw? Can them? Growing up, I sat on the porch and broke beans with my family for hours, especially in canning season, and listened to endless discussions of stick beans vs bush beans (around here the old timers called those "bunch" beans) and Kentucky Wonders vs Blue Lakes vs endless other varieties. They'd grown them all, and there are far more now I would guess. Some of those were passed down through families. As an example, this spring/summer I helped my mom (who cannot work a garden now) till up a spot so she could plant the last of her small jar of "mama's little brown stick beans" (her "mama"). I don't know what's different about them, but I recognize that there are a lot of subtleties They taste like somewhat cabbage-y regular green beans, are stringless, and they do have actual beans inside. They are not great for fresh eating, and the texture is not quite as good. What they are excellent for however is Chinese green beans, like you get at buffets: sauce: 2 tbsp h20 1 tbsp soy 1 tsp cornstarch 1/2 tsp sesame oil (optional) 1/2 tsp brown sugar (I use splenda) 1/4 tsp red pepper flakes (or to taste) Mix this up and toss your washed, cut to length green beans into a pot of boiling water for 5 minutes while you heat a fry pan up to medium hot. Add just a splash of olive or peanut oil, 1 tsp minced fresh ginger, and a minced garlic clove. After about 30 seconds to let it heat and permeate the oil toss in the green beans for about 5 more minutes. Dump the sauce on, cook for another minute, and serve. Rich, savory, and crunchy. yum! Pics or ban. J/k |
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Well, I am back into the heat of high summer, and just like last year I am down to only a few things coming in at a time. The rolling seedling production helped, but I underestimated the number I would need to allow for losses in the summer heat and dry.
Successes: Head lettuce in full sun in 100 degree weather! It didn't head up, but was otherwise fine and nicely cruchy. Broccoli in full sun in 100 degree weather! I had to use a hybrid called Sun King to make this work, but it did work and tasted fine. Rhubarb that survived our summer. In fact, it survived so well that the stuff I ripped out is coming back. Asparagus/yard-long bean that has happily produced pretty much since I put it in. It does not appear to be bothered by heat, humidity, or lack of watering alhough it does not produce well in shade. Ground cherry - I am listing this as both a success and a failure because it grew like gangbusters and produced a lot of fruit, but the fruit wasn't all that impressive and a pain to harvest and peel for the size. Mellow yellow beans - So far this has produced nice heavy yeilds of tasty beans both years I have planted it. A definite win! Ichiban eggplant - Finally an eggplant I like the taste of, and it didn't seem to mind the heat and humidity at all. The green onions I stuffed into window boxes are growing fine, even with me cutting them when I need some. This will save space in the raised beds and make sure they get plenty of sun. Toilet paper roll middles for long root crops and corn - This gave a good start to the plants and the roots grew through the rolls with no problem. _______________________________________ Failures: Zucchini and summer squash - The BT injections appeared to work fine where I injected them, however the SVB just moved further along the stem and dug in anyway. I ended up losing both the summer squash and the zucchini about the same time as last year. The tomatilla still hasn't fruited this year due to a loss of about 2 months from storm damage and having to start again. The cucumbers produced heavily but a large number of them were VERY bitter from the heat. (We were about 10 degrees high for June and are still 5 inches short on rain). I mis-calculated on planting the winged beans - they don't start to produce until fall, so I wasted part of the summer on non-productive vines. The ground cherries grew well and produced like mad, but the small size and husks just weren't worth their mediocre taste. The bell peppers aren't producing well, although the jalapenos are growing fine. This is the same issue I had last year. The oca I tried has not done well, and most of them have already died. Apparently it is just too humid. The garlic I planted just didn't seem to do too well - so far I haven't had a lot of luck with garlic. I still find the variety of produce coming in mid-summer is somewhat narrow, although better than last years. _______________________________________ Changes/Solutions: Zucchini and summer squash: Next year I am testing a number of squash alternates for both ease of growing, pests, and off course, taste. These are trombochino squash, ridged luffa, and healing gourd. Hopefully one or more of these will be a decent replacement, and they are all considered SVB resistant. Bell peppers: I found 2 alternates for this I will try next year - sweet pickle pepper and Park's orangsicle. Harvest variety - I am adding new plants that should handle our heat: pink-eye purple hull cowpeas more ichiban and 1 tester rosita eggplant. (Rosita is also supposed to be bitter-free) suyo long cucumber - bitter-free and adapted to hot, humid climates. red russin kale - heat and cold tolerant. Oca - next year for a carb variety option I will try salsify instead of oca. Winged beans - I may still plant these, but they will go in mid-summer instead of early spring. Onions - since the green onions did so well in the planter boxes, I may try some of garlic and regular onions as well |
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LOL. I don't have pics of that one, sorry. How about parmesan zucchini planks? You cut your zucchini's into 1/2 - 1/4 inch planks, season well with season salt, and sprinkle with parmesan cheese, then broil on low for 20 minutes or until the cheese bubbles. The cheese gives it a nice nutty taste and making planks is a lot less work than rounds. Here is the pan I made last night before I cooked it. I would have gotten a pic after I cooked it but it disappeared. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/072215D_zpsxr6eardo.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/072215D_zpsxr6eardo.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pics or ban. J/k LOL. I don't have pics of that one, sorry. How about parmesan zucchini planks? You cut your zucchini's into 1/2 - 1/4 inch planks, season well with season salt, and sprinkle with parmesan cheese, then broil on low for 20 minutes or until the cheese bubbles. The cheese gives it a nice nutty taste and making planks is a lot less work than rounds. Here is the pan I made last night before I cooked it. I would have gotten a pic after I cooked it but it disappeared. <a href="http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/ratling87/media/072215D_zpsxr6eardo.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/ratling87/072215D_zpsxr6eardo.jpg</a> YUM. Bet that would work with oversize summer squash too! Will have to cut down on the cheese for uxb's sake, but a little parm packs a big flavor punch. This would be a great side! Love these produce recipes. Wish we could do a thread in here but since we have a cooking forum, it really belongs in there. a "fresh from the garden--recipes using your own produce" would be a great thread in there. Dunno if there is one or not. kitties |
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Hi Ratling. If you mentioned it I missed it, what short season corn are you using for your second planting? Our silver queen should be ready in about a week or so and we're thinking about a second planting of some type this year.
It's been interesting reading about you guys in the Carolina's and south central because you're about two weeks ahead of us. We'll be pulling the squash this weekend (SVB) and most of the cucs due to mildew. The wife thinks I'm a genius because I mention these problems in advance |
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