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Posted: 3/18/2015 11:30:03 PM EDT
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http://www.moraofsweden.se/explorers/tactical?group=prod_prod_grp-s1%2F41
After you try a scandi grind knife you will have a hard time going back. Add a fire steel and then put together a pocket kit. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 12:22:33 AM EDT
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Aitor Jungle King II for genuine Ninja appeal. My dad gave me one in 1988 or so prior to basic training. The slingshot tubing wore out, I was a little embarrassed to carry it, but it always worked. Open a ton of the cardboard 81mm mortar round tubes, as rolling a knife around the crease was a bit easier than pulling the tape.
I'd get a Fallkniven, or TOPS, or Busse, or ESEE, or Mora, or Bark River, or SYKCO, Bradford, or Fiddleback, etc. over the Aitor. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 12:23:18 AM EDT
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The stuff in those rambo knives is junk to make you feel better about it being there. Put together a real kit and learn what a knife can really do if it of quality design and steel.
My survival knifes are Moras. Buy a good ferro rod to go with it and file the back of the blade square to strike it properly and now you have something. If you want a fishing kit, put one together that will really work. If you want a wire saw......never mind...they are junk. 
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Posted: 3/19/2015 12:30:22 AM EDT
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I 2nd what the guys above said, Rambo knives suck, Mora (cheap) and Falkniven (Expensive) are much better.
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Posted: 3/19/2015 5:02:15 AM EDT
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The stuff in those rambo knives is junk to make you feel better about it being there. Put together a real kit and learn what a knife can really do if it of quality design and steel. My survival knifes are Moras. Buy a good ferro rod to go with it and file the back of the blade square to strike it properly and now you have something. If you want a fishing kit, put one together that will really work. If you want a wire saw......never mind...they are junk.
Crap in a tube does not replace a real kit. Yeah, I have to agree. I have some high-end "hollow-handle" knives (Chris Reeve one-piece, Randall #18, etc.), they are nice but rarely used. I have some nice custom Martin-Knives that have served me well, but honestly, the simple Mora will do 99% of your "survival" cutting needs. Of course, it's just not very cool looking. Some other (more expensive) options are ESEE, Fallkniven, KaBar-Becker, Bark River, etc. The ESEE-4 or Fallkniven F1 would make excellent survival knives as they are compact enough to be worn 24/7 without being cumbersome yet available when needed. As batmanacw mentioned, the best additions to a good field knife is a firesteel and maybe a sharpening rod/stone. I don’t particularly like the term “survival” knife as it often denotes a marketing ploy for a blade you would use in a survival situation. The problem is that survival situations aren’t chosen, they choose you. I much prefer the simple term of a field knife; a blade you actually carry with you daily when outdoors and is used for more than the very rare “survival” situation. 
I love big blades and the Rambo gene resides in my lust for large, sharpened pieces of steel. The biggest problem though is not their superior potential for utilitarian tasks when constructing shelters, doing an assembly line for traps, triggers, etc. or even their ability to process slightly larger pieces of firewood. The biggest detractor for me is their size when added to a backpacking load and their often cumbersome methods of carry. I don’t discount their utility and I’m an avid proponent of large knives as taught by the late Ron Hood. Conversely, I find the size, weight and utility of a simple Mora as more than adequate if you’re skilled enough to understand the limitations and techniques required to maximize that smaller cutting tool. 
Big blades are very efficient tools, but most never carry them due to size and weight. The only time I carry a large blade is when I’m doing a specific, planned primitive campout. The majority of my actual time outdoors is spent with a smaller fixed blade that easily integrates with my activities…that is the key to always having a quality blade if/when a situation occurs and you need that primary cutting tool. Most here will tell you that a single “knife to rule them all” is not the best choice for survival and efficiency for numerous tasks. On the flip side, most would agree that a decent, fixed-blade belt knife is and should be your primary cutting tool. What is important is to figure out what your requirements are based on your location, environment, how you typically travel and camp and then balance with what works best for you. A “system” is often the most efficient if not the lightest setup; a larger chopping tool, a clearing tool a folding saw can be excellent augmentation to your primary knife: 
I like the term system. That primary knife is best complimented with a quality pocket knife and/or a good multitool including Swiss Army Knives; adding a larger chopper or saw as needed makes a very solid "system". Mora knives are inexpensive performers that can be tossed in the bottom of any outdoors pack or bag. They are also good knives to learn with. You can buy more expensive knives, but you also need to invest the time into the use and handling of that knife for all those “survival” cutting chores. The best knife is the one you have on you when you need it…it may be a folder or multitool. I don’t think there is any one “best survival knife” and even the inexpensive Mora is more capable than the skill of most users. Asking for the best survival knife will land you a very wide spectrum of opinions based on different activities, different environments, personal preferences, personal experiences and personal budgets. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 7:15:11 AM EDT
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I'll always prefer a Mora but I found a USA made Cold Steel Carbon V SRK a couple months ago. It sharpened-up good and seems a stout knife for outdoor activities.
Like this one but it had been to Iraq a couple times so it was not near as "pretty". 
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Posted: 3/19/2015 7:36:50 AM EDT
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Rock6 you've got some great cutlery.
If you ever want to thin the herd and get rid of that bk9 let me know.  Which brings me to my suggestion. The Kabar Becker line of knives is great and are made in the USA. If you could only go with one I would say the bk16(the one on the bottom), but they have a tendency to multiply.  |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 7:54:30 AM EDT
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I like the design of my Grohmann #4, shown with my #10 Salt Fisherman.... with the LMF steel and diamond stone held by Ranger band
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:17:33 AM EDT
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ROCK6 Wow Rock...nice collection...but better yet... nicely put! i do like the fact that the old Rothco has some goodies in the handle..and to be honest...i have beat the hell outa that thing for the past 20yrs.. it still holds an edge. but i've often wondered what if any other styles or brands were more desirable than others...or..if most "real" guys with "real" knowledge of survival actually just preferred a solid fixed blade to do the business. you hit the nail on the head though.. i need a system.. i realize now that i am further along than i thought.. i have some cutting tools in my truck and in my camp gear and other gear..just need to "like the calf" over again on what's what and get them better organized |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:18:15 AM EDT
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I'll always prefer a Mora but I found a USA made Cold Steel Carbon V SRK a couple months ago. It sharpened-up good and seems a stout knife for outdoor activities. Like this one but it had been to Iraq a couple times so it was not near as "pretty". http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m381/cptnchief/DSC00537.jpg i like the looks of this |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:20:22 AM EDT
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Rock6 you've got some great cutlery.If you ever want to thin the herd and get rid of that bk9 let me know.
Which brings me to my suggestion. The Kabar Becker line of knives is great and are made in the USA. If you could only go with one I would say the bk16(the one on the bottom), but they have a tendency to multiply. https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8013/7421777344_65d059c916.jpg Yes...THIS...i have seen and heard a lot about the Mora and the Becker... i really like the way the Becker's look. i think i'm down to these 2.. might just buy one of each.. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:27:00 AM EDT
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Rock6 you've got some great cutlery.If you ever want to thin the herd and get rid of that bk9 let me know.
Which brings me to my suggestion. The Kabar Becker line of knives is great and are made in the USA. If you could only go with one I would say the bk16(the one on the bottom), but they have a tendency to multiply. https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8013/7421777344_65d059c916.jpg which model #'s for the top 2? |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:27:34 AM EDT
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My "survival " knives. .
Mora. -od carbon steel clipper iirc. Cheap and sharp as shit. Cuts through wood and small game easy. Good blade length. Only suck part is the sheath...but kydex is cheap I guess... Bk7 - a real one not Kbar stuff. Its nice...holds edge ...beefy...sheath sucks but is functional. Nothing fancy. I carry a blast match..small stone...2 inch length of hack saw and micro Swiss army knife in the sheath pouch. Sides that my Gerber old school flat nosed black multitool gets a ton of use... My other survival knives /fighting knives I like Glock g81 ..have had this since 94' ..great bang for the Buck. Id say for shtf /fighting /field knife this knife and the mora is easy a top three IMHO. I carry the g81 on my battle belt. As I consolidated ...kbar TDI and cold steel peace maker aren't really survival knives IMHO....but are my dedicated fighting knives Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 9:04:15 AM EDT
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Gerber LMF II ASEK
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Posted: 3/19/2015 10:05:41 AM EDT
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Yeah, I have to agree. I have some high-end "hollow-handle" knives (Chris Reeve one-piece, Randall #18, etc.), they are nice but rarely used. I have some nice custom Martin-Knives that have served me well, but honestly, the simple Mora will do 99% of your "survival" cutting needs. Of course, it's just not very cool looking. Some other (more expensive) options are ESEE, Fallkniven, KaBar-Becker, Bark River, etc. The ESEE-4 or Fallkniven F1 would make excellent survival knives as they are compact enough to be worn 24/7 without being cumbersome yet available when needed. As batmanacw mentioned, the best additions to a good field knife is a firesteel and maybe a sharpening rod/stone. I don’t particularly like the term “survival” knife as it often denotes a marketing ploy for a blade you would use in a survival situation. The problem is that survival situations aren’t chosen, they choose you. I much prefer the simple term of a field knife; a blade you actually carry with you daily when outdoors and is used for more than the very rare “survival” situation. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/DSCF0026_zps128ec8d9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/DSCF0026_zps128ec8d9.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/DSCF0032_zps0509b7c1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/DSCF0032_zps0509b7c1.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Bushcraft/DSCF0111_zpsf636814d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Bushcraft/DSCF0111_zpsf636814d.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Bushcraft/DSCF0114_zps2ba60627.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Bushcraft/DSCF0114_zps2ba60627.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Bushcraft/DSCF0115_zps03e29d19.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Bushcraft/DSCF0115_zps03e29d19.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Bushcraft/DSCF0107_zps193228c7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Bushcraft/DSCF0107_zps193228c7.jpg</a> I love big blades and the Rambo gene resides in my lust for large, sharpened pieces of steel. The biggest problem though is not their superior potential for utilitarian tasks when constructing shelters, doing an assembly line for traps, triggers, etc. or even their ability to process slightly larger pieces of firewood. The biggest detractor for me is their size when added to a backpacking load and their often cumbersome methods of carry. I don’t discount their utility and I’m an avid proponent of large knives as taught by the late Ron Hood. Conversely, I find the size, weight and utility of a simple Mora as more than adequate if you’re skilled enough to understand the limitations and techniques required to maximize that smaller cutting tool. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/ChopperUpdate.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/ChopperUpdate.jpg</a> Big blades are very efficient tools, but most never carry them due to size and weight. The only time I carry a large blade is when I’m doing a specific, planned primitive campout. The majority of my actual time outdoors is spent with a smaller fixed blade that easily integrates with my activities…that is the key to always having a quality blade if/when a situation occurs and you need that primary cutting tool. Most here will tell you that a single “knife to rule them all” is not the best choice for survival and efficiency for numerous tasks. On the flip side, most would agree that a decent, fixed-blade belt knife is and should be your primary cutting tool. What is important is to figure out what your requirements are based on your location, environment, how you typically travel and camp and then balance with what works best for you. A “system” is often the most efficient if not the lightest setup; a larger chopping tool, a clearing tool a folding saw can be excellent augmentation to your primary knife: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/DSCF0041_zpsc37ebb23.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/DSCF0041_zpsc37ebb23.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/Combo_zps447997e2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/Combo_zps447997e2.jpg</a> I like the term system. That primary knife is best complimented with a quality pocket knife and/or a good multitool including Swiss Army Knives; adding a larger chopper or saw as needed makes a very solid "system". Mora knives are inexpensive performers that can be tossed in the bottom of any outdoors pack or bag. They are also good knives to learn with. You can buy more expensive knives, but you also need to invest the time into the use and handling of that knife for all those “survival” cutting chores. The best knife is the one you have on you when you need it…it may be a folder or multitool. I don’t think there is any one “best survival knife” and even the inexpensive Mora is more capable than the skill of most users. Asking for the best survival knife will land you a very wide spectrum of opinions based on different activities, different environments, personal preferences, personal experiences and personal budgets. ROCK6 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The stuff in those rambo knives is junk to make you feel better about it being there. Put together a real kit and learn what a knife can really do if it of quality design and steel. My survival knifes are Moras. Buy a good ferro rod to go with it and file the back of the blade square to strike it properly and now you have something. If you want a fishing kit, put one together that will really work. If you want a wire saw......never mind...they are junk.
Crap in a tube does not replace a real kit. Yeah, I have to agree. I have some high-end "hollow-handle" knives (Chris Reeve one-piece, Randall #18, etc.), they are nice but rarely used. I have some nice custom Martin-Knives that have served me well, but honestly, the simple Mora will do 99% of your "survival" cutting needs. Of course, it's just not very cool looking. Some other (more expensive) options are ESEE, Fallkniven, KaBar-Becker, Bark River, etc. The ESEE-4 or Fallkniven F1 would make excellent survival knives as they are compact enough to be worn 24/7 without being cumbersome yet available when needed. As batmanacw mentioned, the best additions to a good field knife is a firesteel and maybe a sharpening rod/stone. I don’t particularly like the term “survival” knife as it often denotes a marketing ploy for a blade you would use in a survival situation. The problem is that survival situations aren’t chosen, they choose you. I much prefer the simple term of a field knife; a blade you actually carry with you daily when outdoors and is used for more than the very rare “survival” situation. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/DSCF0026_zps128ec8d9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/DSCF0026_zps128ec8d9.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/DSCF0032_zps0509b7c1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/DSCF0032_zps0509b7c1.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Bushcraft/DSCF0111_zpsf636814d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Bushcraft/DSCF0111_zpsf636814d.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Bushcraft/DSCF0114_zps2ba60627.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Bushcraft/DSCF0114_zps2ba60627.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Bushcraft/DSCF0115_zps03e29d19.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Bushcraft/DSCF0115_zps03e29d19.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Bushcraft/DSCF0107_zps193228c7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Bushcraft/DSCF0107_zps193228c7.jpg</a> I love big blades and the Rambo gene resides in my lust for large, sharpened pieces of steel. The biggest problem though is not their superior potential for utilitarian tasks when constructing shelters, doing an assembly line for traps, triggers, etc. or even their ability to process slightly larger pieces of firewood. The biggest detractor for me is their size when added to a backpacking load and their often cumbersome methods of carry. I don’t discount their utility and I’m an avid proponent of large knives as taught by the late Ron Hood. Conversely, I find the size, weight and utility of a simple Mora as more than adequate if you’re skilled enough to understand the limitations and techniques required to maximize that smaller cutting tool. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/ChopperUpdate.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/ChopperUpdate.jpg</a> Big blades are very efficient tools, but most never carry them due to size and weight. The only time I carry a large blade is when I’m doing a specific, planned primitive campout. The majority of my actual time outdoors is spent with a smaller fixed blade that easily integrates with my activities…that is the key to always having a quality blade if/when a situation occurs and you need that primary cutting tool. Most here will tell you that a single “knife to rule them all” is not the best choice for survival and efficiency for numerous tasks. On the flip side, most would agree that a decent, fixed-blade belt knife is and should be your primary cutting tool. What is important is to figure out what your requirements are based on your location, environment, how you typically travel and camp and then balance with what works best for you. A “system” is often the most efficient if not the lightest setup; a larger chopping tool, a clearing tool a folding saw can be excellent augmentation to your primary knife: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/DSCF0041_zpsc37ebb23.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/DSCF0041_zpsc37ebb23.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Blades/Combo_zps447997e2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Blades/Combo_zps447997e2.jpg</a> I like the term system. That primary knife is best complimented with a quality pocket knife and/or a good multitool including Swiss Army Knives; adding a larger chopper or saw as needed makes a very solid "system". Mora knives are inexpensive performers that can be tossed in the bottom of any outdoors pack or bag. They are also good knives to learn with. You can buy more expensive knives, but you also need to invest the time into the use and handling of that knife for all those “survival” cutting chores. The best knife is the one you have on you when you need it…it may be a folder or multitool. I don’t think there is any one “best survival knife” and even the inexpensive Mora is more capable than the skill of most users. Asking for the best survival knife will land you a very wide spectrum of opinions based on different activities, different environments, personal preferences, personal experiences and personal budgets. ROCK6 Damn fine post Sir! |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 10:14:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: which model #'s for the top 2? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rock6 you've got some great cutlery.If you ever want to thin the herd and get rid of that bk9 let me know. Which brings me to my suggestion. The Kabar Becker line of knives is great and are made in the USA. If you could only go with one I would say the bk16(the one on the bottom), but they have a tendency to multiply. https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8013/7421777344_65d059c916.jpg which model #'s for the top 2? |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 11:33:37 AM EDT
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Bk15 (which is discontinued, but can still be found new, some for discount) and Bk17 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rock6 you've got some great cutlery.If you ever want to thin the herd and get rid of that bk9 let me know.
Which brings me to my suggestion. The Kabar Becker line of knives is great and are made in the USA. If you could only go with one I would say the bk16(the one on the bottom), but they have a tendency to multiply. https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8013/7421777344_65d059c916.jpg which model #'s for the top 2? thank you sir! |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 11:36:36 AM EDT
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I'll always prefer a Mora but I found a USA made Cold Steel Carbon V SRK a couple months ago. It sharpened-up good and seems a stout knife for outdoor activities. Like this one but it had been to Iraq a couple times so it was not near as "pretty". http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m381/cptnchief/DSC00537.jpg I just got off amazon "citadel 6" drop point knife" and it is exactly this knife and sheath. It came razor sharp and has some heft to it. And it was 6.99! |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 11:57:04 AM EDT
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I'll always prefer a Mora but I found a USA made Cold Steel Carbon V SRK a couple months ago. It sharpened-up good and seems a stout knife for outdoor activities. Like this one but it had been to Iraq a couple times so it was not near as "pretty". http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m381/cptnchief/DSC00537.jpg IMO, this with a leatherman super tool in the case zip tied and dummy corded to the scabbard, and a razor sharp spiderco or similar (non-serated) in your pocket. With this combo you can do anything. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 1:40:26 PM EDT
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IMO, this with a leatherman super tool in the case zip tied and dummy corded to the scabbard, and a razor sharp spiderco or similar (non-serated) in your pocket. With this combo you can do anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll always prefer a Mora but I found a USA made Cold Steel Carbon V SRK a couple months ago. It sharpened-up good and seems a stout knife for outdoor activities. Like this one but it had been to Iraq a couple times so it was not near as "pretty". http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m381/cptnchief/DSC00537.jpg IMO, this with a leatherman super tool in the case zip tied and dummy corded to the scabbard, and a razor sharp spiderco or similar (non-serated) in your pocket. With this combo you can do anything. that's definitely something to consider! thanks! |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:08:35 PM EDT
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<snip> Glock g81 ..have had this since 94' ..great bang for the Buck. Id say for shtf /fighting /field knife this knife and the mora is easy a top three IMHO. <snip> Hidden gem the Glock field knife is... While its not my first choice as a camp or bushcraft knife it is one of my favorites. Tough blade that would be on my belt in a true SHTF TEOTWAWKI type situation. 
It would not be my first choice for a wilderness survival situation. I would want something with a scandi grind. 
Mora companion, clipper, classic #1 or #2 are all good to go in my book. For a true survival situation the companion style Mora is going to be stronger then the classics, though I have beat the heck out of about three different classic models, used two different #1 and one #2. Battoned things they never should have and held up OK. It was more experimental then anything, and as long as you treat a blade as it should be treated and don't do stupid things with it, most quality steel, regardless of size should serve the user for a long time. 
I am in the multiple tool camp like many others here. No one knife does it all in my book. A good multi tool, fixed blade, always accompany me in the woods. I add a folding saw and axe or hatchet depending on what I am doing. 
My newest blade is a condor bushlore. Going to put it through its paces this spring/ summer. I have high hopes for it. I don't have any pictures of it yet. Other then that I am fond of buck knives as well. I would apply those more to the hunting category. 
ETA: ROCK6... Your posts are not helping my gear addiction. 
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Posted: 3/19/2015 11:27:03 PM EDT
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thederrick106
wow...man thanks! good info to think over... oh yea...that's one hell of a collection you got there...you and ROCK6 should get together! |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 12:16:05 AM EDT
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This.... It aint a cheap rothco but sometimes you gotta pay for quality
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Posted: 3/20/2015 12:23:12 AM EDT
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Since we will have different answers, I think it's prudent to discuss what makes a good survival knife.
IMO
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Posted: 3/20/2015 12:30:13 AM EDT
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This is a survival knife....
Condor Scout Mora Pro Robust Ferro rod and home made handle |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 6:11:12 AM EDT
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 Mark Hazen Desert Fighter. Bad ass to the bone; literally. |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:26:13 AM EDT
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This.... It aint a cheap rothco but sometimes you gotta pay for quality http://www.brothersofbushcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bob01_add5.jpg oh man...that's badass!! what make model??? |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:27:32 AM EDT
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Since we will have different answers, I think it's prudent to discuss what makes a good survival knife. IMO
and since we're posting pics: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OSvTGD88N4s/VQCQLphgDJI/AAAAAAAAQfM/OPnUZCm__mU/w643-h857-no/image1.JPG me likey likey sir!! nice
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:30:56 AM EDT
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ROCK6 dammit ROCK6.....he done it again!!! based off of this post... gonna have to change your name to "Rocky2Knives" nice work! 
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:33:06 AM EDT
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http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm291/carpdiver/Knives%20-%20For%20Sale/DesertFighterfull.jpg?1426846173797 Mark Hazen Desert Fighter. Bad ass to the bone; literally. that does look badass Capt.. but the handle looks short for the blade to me...could be just the way the pic is...but nontheless... and sweet looking piece for sure!! thanks! 
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:34:29 AM EDT
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Well said and a nice blade! ^^^Those are all solid points for a good survival knife. You could get more pointed (pun intended) about steel types, favored grinds, tip profiles, handle material, etc.; however, those are excellent basics to focus on, all of which I agree on. An often overlooked aspect is a good sheath/holster that integrates well with your style of clothing and if carrying a pack, kayaking, fishing, hunting, hiking, etc.. Not only does it provide security from loss and protecting you, it should allow good access from a number of different positions. More importantly, it needs to be comfortable enough for daily wear...again, the goal is to keep a blade on your person at all times (clothed of course). Beyond those features, the next best qualities are the user's efforts and skills invested into improving and maximizing their abilities with said blade. Some different blade profiles I've used or carried at some point, ignore the pistols...not all are ideal for some, but they would serve the solid purpose of survival needs. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/CZP-01.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/CZP-01.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/CZ85.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/CZ85.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/G23.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/G23.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/GP100.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/GP100.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/P1245.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/P1245.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/P220.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/P220.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/P225.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/P225.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/P3AT.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/P3AT.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/Redhawk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/Redhawk.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/SW4006.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/SW4006.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/KimberTLE.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/KimberTLE.jpg</a> Some of the blades are a little more expensive, but I should note that for daily work carry (due to certain carry restrictions) I carry an older RAT 3; a perfectly serviceable and capable blade even it's slightly smaller than I would prefer. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/PSK%20Gear/DSCF6530_zps8aa812b5.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/PSK%20Gear/DSCF6530_zps8aa812b5.jpg</a> I do find it ironic that some snobs can really exclude knives based on their blade profile. I'll use the much maligned "American Tanto" profile (like the Cold Steel Recon Tanto) as an example. This blade has a great belly and the tip is less of a detractor than most would think; it drills just fine. A bunch of great discussion and input from experienced users. ROCK6 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since we will have different answers, I think it's prudent to discuss what makes a good survival knife. IMO
Well said and a nice blade! ^^^Those are all solid points for a good survival knife. You could get more pointed (pun intended) about steel types, favored grinds, tip profiles, handle material, etc.; however, those are excellent basics to focus on, all of which I agree on. An often overlooked aspect is a good sheath/holster that integrates well with your style of clothing and if carrying a pack, kayaking, fishing, hunting, hiking, etc.. Not only does it provide security from loss and protecting you, it should allow good access from a number of different positions. More importantly, it needs to be comfortable enough for daily wear...again, the goal is to keep a blade on your person at all times (clothed of course). Beyond those features, the next best qualities are the user's efforts and skills invested into improving and maximizing their abilities with said blade. Some different blade profiles I've used or carried at some point, ignore the pistols...not all are ideal for some, but they would serve the solid purpose of survival needs. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/CZP-01.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/CZP-01.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/CZ85.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/CZ85.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/G23.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/G23.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/GP100.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/GP100.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/P1245.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/P1245.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/P220.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/P220.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/P225.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/P225.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/P3AT.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/P3AT.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/Redhawk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/Redhawk.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/SW4006.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/SW4006.jpg</a> <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/Firearms/KimberTLE.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/Firearms/KimberTLE.jpg</a> Some of the blades are a little more expensive, but I should note that for daily work carry (due to certain carry restrictions) I carry an older RAT 3; a perfectly serviceable and capable blade even it's slightly smaller than I would prefer. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ROCK-6/media/PSK%20Gear/DSCF6530_zps8aa812b5.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/PSK%20Gear/DSCF6530_zps8aa812b5.jpg</a> I do find it ironic that some snobs can really exclude knives based on their blade profile. I'll use the much maligned "American Tanto" profile (like the Cold Steel Recon Tanto) as an example. This blade has a great belly and the tip is less of a detractor than most would think; it drills just fine. A bunch of great discussion and input from experienced users. ROCK6 
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Posted: 3/20/2015 3:50:23 PM EDT
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I forget what exact cold steel tanto I have, it is not the way long blade but I think they made a shorter one for a bit.
I call it my sharpened prybar. I have used it as a pry bar and I used it to cut a 55 gallon metal drum in half for a short burn barrel or something, I forget what I was doing at my dad's but he had a lack of tools due to moving and the tanto was in the truck. But the tanto sucks for kitchen work. I can beat up a tomato but slicing one is a pain. I have all sorts of knives, from cheap junk to cheap good, mora, to expensive to collector due to maker going out of business. If starting from nothing I would order a big swiss army knife. I have the one sized under the ball point pen, not sure on current offerings but it used to be my defining point. It is an inch or so thick. Lots of stuff packed into a little package. I admit I like a gerber multi-tool but if the swiss army knives are the same quality they were 20 years ago I would probably get the swiss army knife. Next would be a small fixed blade. 3 or 4 inch blade, full sized handle with something to keep my fingers on the grip and not sliding onto the blade. After dealing with a slick yucky handle I want something to keep my hand from sliding forward. Does not have to be much, but something. I like thin blades for kitchen work and find I use this little sort of fixed blade for most of my daily tasks. I do have some odds and ends with hollow handles, from the cheap junk I got as a kid decades ago to chris reeve stuff, I don't really go nuts trying to make it a complete solution. A handle is limited in size. Might be nice to have a few things in it, but I would just as soon add a small pouch to the knife sheath like what some folks have pictured. And that kind of brings me to the end concept I am finally at. With most everything. With ccw handgun, knife for daily carry or woods use, vehicle for daily use or whatever, rifle for whatever, build a complete system. You have to do some research to figure out what to buy for a starting point. But limiting yourself to knife sheathes with pouches already on them, or knives with hollow handles, or this or that is pretty limiting. You can make your own sheath. You can just add on to a sheath. You might decide instead to have the knife sheath always on the belt with a smallish belt pouch, they are not attached together but always put on the belt together. An altoids kit pairs up well with a knife but I don't really want to stick an altoids tin on my knife sheath. Figure out what you want the knife to do. A lot of folks have something in their kitchen that might have similar blade length but is a lot skinnier than what they are looking at. The chicago cuttlery knives are actually something I take care camping a lot, I use em in the kitchen as well. Just a nice simple knife. I do have some folding knives with pocket clips and tend to have one on me a lot, but after messing with fixed blades I find I just prefer them. Depending on what I am doing I don't always have running water to clean out the folder. It is easier to wipe down a fixed blade than to wipe down a folder completely. A small axe or large hatchet is something I find dang handy for when I want to do something. I have cut sapplings and built stuff using my large knives and they all work. But I find I prefer a large hatchet or small axe to a monster knife. The swiss army knife just winds up being a toolbox of sorts. Same if the gerber or other multitool is used. My little 3 inch fixed blade is similar in blade shape and size to the esee 3 inch. Learn how to sharpen a knife and being able to do it yourself is important to me. Overall you need to get out and use your stuff to see what you need and can get rid of. People walking the appalachian trail always talk about mailing stuff home and what not. They figure out how to do without or how to make something do multiple jobs. You can read all you want and think all you want but getting out and using what you have and seeing what you can do with it is really what you need to do. |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 5:07:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou can read all you want and think all you want but getting out and using what you have and seeing what you can do with it is really what you need to do. correct you are sir. that's why i'm asking for yous guys input. i do get out quite a bit. i just have never really been more than i pocket knife kinda guy. i want something fixed blade with a good handle. the old rothco i have..i have beat the hell out of and has held up surprisingly well over the past 2 decades or so. but as with most people.. i am open to new ideas and products and where better else to go and ask. thanks for the info! |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 6:12:53 PM EDT
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This.... It aint a cheap rothco but sometimes you gotta pay for quality http://www.brothersofbushcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bob01_add5.jpg oh man...that's badass!! what make model??? TOPS B.O.B. Brothers Of Bushcraft. Around $120 most places. |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:27:45 PM EDT
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I still have an old Gerber BMF I bought at Ranger Joe's in 1989. It was a pretty expensive MRE opener. It's been around the world with me... I never really use it for anything anymore, but it's probably the closest thing I have to a "survival knife".
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Posted: 3/20/2015 11:27:25 PM EDT
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Great thread.
I have a few ESSE knives & they are great, but I have a Gerber Prodigy, and I will buy more. I don't care for the serrations, and I prefer a drop point, but at $40, it's hard to beat, and affordable enough to have at least 2. This one has a good sheath. The dive type sheaths that are shipped with some of the prodigy's are pretty lame. Stay away from those. YMMV Prodigy 
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Posted: 3/21/2015 12:23:06 PM EDT
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There is simply no perfect knife for everyone's different definition of "survival". Some people are thinking of a fighting knife, some people want to skin game, other want to make kindling.
Personally I gave up and went with a few different knives I like a lot that work well for me. A Finn ENZO folder for every day carry A Swedish MORA for cheap easy to sharpen toss in the day pack or back or the Jeep A Norwegian Helle Temagami for hunting An American Gerber for a TEOTWAWKI knife A Finn filet knife Stihl chain saw, splitting maul and axe for making wood Then there are the kitchen knives, and the other knives that maybe I will use some day, and then the knives that were my Dad's and have sentimental value I don't think I will have a knife shortage any time soon |
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Posted: 3/21/2015 6:21:58 PM EDT
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I still have an old Gerber BMF I bought at Ranger Joe's in 1989. It was a pretty expensive MRE opener. It's been around the world with me... I never really use it for anything anymore, but it's probably the closest thing I have to a "survival knife". That's too cool. I was in AIT summer of '89 and distinctly remember seeing the BMF at Ranger Joes when we were allow a little freedom. I just thought that was cool...never did get a BMF though. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 3/21/2015 8:20:39 PM EDT
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For many years I paired a Mora classic 2/0 and a Brewer Explorer. Now my go to knife is an Adventure Sworn Explorer with scandi grind.
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Posted: 3/22/2015 10:46:46 AM EDT
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there's a lot of really great feedback in here. many great suggestions to think about.. looks like i will end up with several knives.. i was hoping to find a good "all around" knife but looks as though i may find myself with more than one
thanks for all the replies guys! 
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Posted: 3/22/2015 11:00:54 AM EDT
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That's too cool. I was in AIT summer of '89 and distinctly remember seeing the BMF at Ranger Joes when we were allow a little freedom. I just thought that was cool...never did get a BMF though. ROCK6 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still have an old Gerber BMF I bought at Ranger Joe's in 1989. It was a pretty expensive MRE opener. It's been around the world with me... I never really use it for anything anymore, but it's probably the closest thing I have to a "survival knife". That's too cool. I was in AIT summer of '89 and distinctly remember seeing the BMF at Ranger Joes when we were allow a little freedom. I just thought that was cool...never did get a BMF though. ROCK6 Me too... Harmony Church, Bravo 4/30 ( If memory is working today) |
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Posted: 3/22/2015 11:29:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: there's a lot of really great feedback in here. many great suggestions to think about.. looks like i will end up with several knives.. i was hoping to find a good "all around" knife but looks as though i may find myself with more than one thanks for all the replies guys! I still think my old standby combo is the best ever. I've always stood by the fact that big knives make small tasks dangerous or harder than they have to be. That being said, big knives have a metric shit-ton of uses as well, that smaller knives just can't do. I came up with this combo (whole rig costs ~$100?) and it does it all!  Roach belly and recon scout. They are still in great shape today, despite hundreds of days in the woods over the years. |
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Posted: 3/22/2015 11:30:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that does look badass Capt.. but the handle looks short for the blade to me...could be just the way the pic is...but nontheless... and sweet looking piece for sure!! thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm291/carpdiver/Knives%20-%20For%20Sale/DesertFighterfull.jpg?1426846173797 Mark Hazen Desert Fighter. Bad ass to the bone; literally. that does look badass Capt.. but the handle looks short for the blade to me...could be just the way the pic is...but nontheless... and sweet looking piece for sure!! thanks! Poor pic for sure. Fits the hand perfect and is well balanced. Mark unfortunately to the best of my knowledge does leather craft now and little if any knives. I have three of his in slightly different configurations. |
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Posted: 3/22/2015 4:13:30 PM EDT
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For many years I paired a Mora classic 2/0 and a Brewer Explorer. Now my go to knife is an Adventure Sworn Explorer with scandi grind. A post about Adventure Sworn and no pictures? 
Please post pictures!!! I just traded for an Adventure Sworn Voyageur. Haven't even tried it out yet.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 1:11:27 PM EDT
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I just wanted to share some pics of my new (to me) Adventure Sworn:
1/8" thick O1 high carbon tool steel in a scandi grind. Canvas micarta scales with white liners. Not only American made, but locally made! Knowing how much I enjoy using both the Mora companion and classic #2 I figured this knife would be a good fit for me. Very similar in profile and size. I would never dump down the amount of cash it would take to buy this blade new so when a trade opportunity presented itself I decided to take it. I can't wait to get some time out in the woods with this blade. I know it will be a solid long lasting user. Probably before that I have a new Condor Bushlore that I want to put through its paces and see how I like it. I think its going to make a good user as well, but I won't know for sure till I get a seasons worth of use out of it. 
And the Bushlore: 
Group shot with a Mora Companion and Classic #2 for size comparison. While these blades may be similar in shape and style, none are really comparable when it comes down to it. 
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Posted: 3/23/2015 6:35:49 PM EDT
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Tops Dragonfly, Adventure Sworn Explorer, Blind Horse Woodsman pro, Woodbear Norlander, ML Kepart, Kaweah river forge and
Adventure Sworn Walker.  BK16, classic, Mora frost, BK14, Esee Candiru and Kabar skinner.  |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 2:41:51 PM EDT
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what's the best survival knife out there? as a kid i remember some of the RAMBO style knives.. i know most people say just a fixed blade.. but i would like a decent blade that has some accessories to go along. i have one of the old Rothco Deluxe knives...thing has been beat to hell and back and is still holding strong. thanks for any/all feedback Some good real-world Rambo-type knives would be one from Chris Reeves, but be prepared to spend like hundreds of dollars, they are in the realm more as collectors than real working knives. Me I have a penchant to "lose" expensive knives, and if I actually lost a Chris Reeves etc, I would cry. But I still have my Benchmade Stryker 910 for 20 years now. I find that if I attach a lanyard parachute cord to them, I don't lose those as easily. I have lost a couple of Spyderco knives in the past.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great thread. I have a few ESSE knives & they are great, but I have a Gerber Prodigy, and I will buy more. I don't care for the serrations, and I prefer a drop point, but at $40, it's hard to beat, and affordable enough to have at least 2. This one has a good sheath. The dive type sheaths that are shipped with some of the prodigy's are pretty lame. Stay away from those. YMMV Prodigy http://www.southwestgerberknives.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Gerber_31_000558_4d55d1dbd28ae.gif John Though a little more expensive, based on your preferences, why not consider the Gerber LMF II ASEK? Excellent knife for everything discussed in this thread and very reasonably priced. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 5:27:04 PM EDT
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I have two primary woods knives, and neither are particularly rambo-esque. For skinning & dressing game, I like the plain-edge gerber freeman with guthook:
It's relatively benign-looking & simple, but it just works for me. I've been using it probably 10-12 years and after the first year I bought several spares in case I damaged or lost it. (They're ridiculously cheap.) But still using the original at this point. My main woods knife, and the one I carry if I'm not out actively hunting, is a no-longer-available Marbles Ideal from AG Russell. With an 8" x .25" thick blade, it's larger than a lot of folks like, but it just works perfect for me. The ideal was the original basis for the Kabar knife - they took the 6" ideal, made it with a 7" blade and parkerized it, and the Kabar was born. This limited-run version is heavier, but most important to me, it has a larger grip than the original ideal and just fits me better. The steel is (iirc) 0170-6 carbon, and is very good. Unfortunately, the new-production marbles Ideals are junk. It's a shame because I spent years praising and recommending the Ideal and no longer can...  But for decades (nearly a century) they were imo one of the best woods knives available.
I picked up a couple spares (one 7" and another 8") while they were still good, when I discovered they were being discontinued and would no longer be available. The 7" and 8" versions here, when I was having some sheaths made and had them laid out on graph paper to be sent to the sheath maker: 
The sheath in the pic is a home-made one I did. They now live in ones made by Savage-Made sheaths, with a sleeve on the back for an EZ-Lap hone. Adds basically no weight or bulk, and keeps a sharpener always with the knife. Have similar sheaths made up for several knives; this is the 7" marbles and a sog 'super sog': 
It's not rambo-esque or tactical, but I love the stupid thing. It fits my hand perfect (I'm somewhat of a big oaf), and it's got a good, positive guard and pommel which is important to me in a hard-use knife. The blade steel is very good and stout. Basically, sharp enough to disembowel a cougar in one pass, and big enough to bludgeon him to death if I miss...
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