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Posted: 1/26/2012 8:50:34 PM

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Damn you guys!! this thread cost me money.

Where do I get one of those French stoves???????


eBay has some good listings for canteens, cups and stoves.

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Posted: 1/27/2012 3:05:24 PM
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No to rain on anyone's parade but that's the stuff I started out on way back when Captain Noah ordered me off the Ark. I've moved on since then.

I still have my canteens even a old WWII desert one, but I'm stuck on lexan bottles now and a matching stainless cup that goes on the bottom like the old canteen cups. Its just a stain friendlier material, see through so you know what's in there, graduated so you can take out what you need, and a nice big wide mouth so you can not only put solids in there but attached directly to a good water filter.

If I had to go back and look at the canteens I liked most, it was actually the old western style 2 qt round with the felt sides and throw over the shoulder strap. They were great. You could wet those sides and the evaporation actually kept them cool at least way cooler than an Army canteen with its pouch wetted, something to do with fast evaporation I guess. Problem is so many cheap plastic knockoffs were made, its hard to find one of the old metal style anymore, but they're out there.

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TJ, are you referring to this? The subject of this thread has been something I was looking into but didn't want to start from scratch since I have the Nalgene bottles and Maxpedition molle carriers.
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Originally Posted By UT-ARShooter:
Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
No to rain on anyone's parade but that's the stuff I started out on way back when Captain Noah ordered me off the Ark. I've moved on since then.

I still have my canteens even a old WWII desert one, but I'm stuck on lexan bottles now and a matching stainless cup that goes on the bottom like the old canteen cups. Its just a stain friendlier material, see through so you know what's in there, graduated so you can take out what you need, and a nice big wide mouth so you can not only put solids in there but attached directly to a good water filter.

If I had to go back and look at the canteens I liked most, it was actually the old western style 2 qt round with the felt sides and throw over the shoulder strap. They were great. You could wet those sides and the evaporation actually kept them cool at least way cooler than an Army canteen with its pouch wetted, something to do with fast evaporation I guess. Problem is so many cheap plastic knockoffs were made, its hard to find one of the old metal style anymore, but they're out there.

Tj


TJ, are you referring to this? The subject of this thread has been something I was looking into but didn't want to start from scratch since I have the Nalgene bottles and Maxpedition molle carriers.


Yes, that's what I use with the Lexan bottles, which most call Naglene but that's a brand. There's all sorts of carrying systems and the wide mouth, you can throw in ice.

I bought my cup from Campmor, quite a few of them really. They fit the Naglenes and are graduated for cooking. BTW, They sit on ebist stoves etc. a lot better than the lop sided GI cups. You're not pot holding as much.

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Posted: 1/27/2012 4:32:47 PM
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Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
Originally Posted By UT-ARShooter:
Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
No to rain on anyone's parade but that's the stuff I started out on way back when Captain Noah ordered me off the Ark. I've moved on since then.

I still have my canteens even a old WWII desert one, but I'm stuck on lexan bottles now and a matching stainless cup that goes on the bottom like the old canteen cups. Its just a stain friendlier material, see through so you know what's in there, graduated so you can take out what you need, and a nice big wide mouth so you can not only put solids in there but attached directly to a good water filter.

If I had to go back and look at the canteens I liked most, it was actually the old western style 2 qt round with the felt sides and throw over the shoulder strap. They were great. You could wet those sides and the evaporation actually kept them cool at least way cooler than an Army canteen with its pouch wetted, something to do with fast evaporation I guess. Problem is so many cheap plastic knockoffs were made, its hard to find one of the old metal style anymore, but they're out there.

Tj


TJ, are you referring to this? The subject of this thread has been something I was looking into but didn't want to start from scratch since I have the Nalgene bottles and Maxpedition molle carriers.


Yes, that's what I use with the Lexan bottles, which most call Naglene but that's a brand. There's all sorts of carrying systems and the wide mouth, you can throw in ice.

I bought my cup from Campmor, quite a few of them really. They fit the Naglenes and are graduated for cooking. BTW, They sit on ebist stoves etc. a lot better than the lop sided GI cups. You're not pot holding as much.

Tj



Thanks! I agree the old metal, round canteens were awesome. I had one as a scout and then lost it over the years. Good memories with that one.

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Posted: 1/27/2012 5:38:45 PM

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
No to rain on anyone's parade but that's the stuff I started out on way back when Captain Noah ordered me off the Ark. I've moved on since then.

I still have my canteens even a old WWII desert one, but I'm stuck on lexan bottles now and a matching stainless cup that goes on the bottom like the old canteen cups. Its just a stain friendlier material, see through so you know what's in there, graduated so you can take out what you need, and a nice big wide mouth so you can not only put solids in there but attached directly to a good water filter.

If I had to go back and look at the canteens I liked most, it was actually the old western style 2 qt round with the felt sides and throw over the shoulder strap. They were great. You could wet those sides and the evaporation actually kept them cool at least way cooler than an Army canteen with its pouch wetted, something to do with fast evaporation I guess. Problem is so many cheap plastic knockoffs were made, its hard to find one of the old metal style anymore, but they're out there.

Tj

Every single one of those I ever owned (back in the '60's) leaked, which, while I guess was a good thing for keeping the felt wet, also kept my pants wet.

My pref is the standard 1 qt, Vietnam era canteen with the older cup that had the handle that folded under rather than the batwings. The only thing to beware of is that you want the cup to cool down before you stick the canteen back in it Yeah, I did. Of course, that was back when the canteens could be had for $1.50 all day long at any surplus store.

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Posted: 1/28/2012 10:50:27 AM
Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack:

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
No to rain on anyone's parade but that's the stuff I started out on way back when Captain Noah ordered me off the Ark. I've moved on since then.

I still have my canteens even a old WWII desert one, but I'm stuck on lexan bottles now and a matching stainless cup that goes on the bottom like the old canteen cups. Its just a stain friendlier material, see through so you know what's in there, graduated so you can take out what you need, and a nice big wide mouth so you can not only put solids in there but attached directly to a good water filter.

If I had to go back and look at the canteens I liked most, it was actually the old western style 2 qt round with the felt sides and throw over the shoulder strap. They were great. You could wet those sides and the evaporation actually kept them cool at least way cooler than an Army canteen with its pouch wetted, something to do with fast evaporation I guess. Problem is so many cheap plastic knockoffs were made, its hard to find one of the old metal style anymore, but they're out there.

Tj

Every single one of those I ever owned (back in the '60's) leaked, which, while I guess was a good thing for keeping the felt wet, also kept my pants wet.

My pref is the standard 1 qt, Vietnam era canteen with the older cup that had the handle that folded under rather than the batwings. The only thing to beware of is that you want the cup to cool down before you stick the canteen back in it Yeah, I did. Of course, that was back when the canteens could be had for $1.50 all day long at any surplus store.



Yep, 60's was the start of the cheap ones, made overseas. Usual leak was the cap which had an anemic seal. If you tightened it down too tight, it would crack the cap ever so slightly and no stopping the leak. I use to just go old school on those, using a wine bottle cork.

The second most common leak path was you didn't want to poke the sides with a sharp object. The same thin metal that made them cool so well, also would puncture. The plastic was a fix for that and heck the leaky cap too, but then they just didn't cool as well, not even close.

I felt he same way in the Army. We still used metal canteens but the plastic ones were coming on at the same time. We all wanted the metal.

Tj



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Posted: 2/7/2012 12:26:38 AM
Better to have more than one in smaller containers. One container will be bulky. I would go, get (3) 24oz small stainless steel containers = 72 oz which will cost you 5 bucks each or so. The Kleen canteens are horribly expensive and you will probably pay 40 or more bucks easily for one. Just get the ones with no paint color on them. Put 2 inside your pack and the other on your belt or in a pouch outside the pack.
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Posted: 2/7/2012 8:28:50 AM
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Better to have more than one in smaller containers. One container will be bulky. I would go, get (3) 24oz small stainless steel containers = 72 oz which will cost you 5 bucks each or so. The Kleen canteens are horribly expensive and you will probably pay 40 or more bucks easily for one. Just get the ones with no paint color on them. Put 2 inside your pack and the other on your belt or in a pouch outside the pack.


That's good advice...two containers, even if only one is stainless steel. A simple collapsible Platypus, Nalgene or other type of "soft" canteen is a good addition. You can at least boil in the stainless and pour into the other container or while one is being treated the other is potable...rotating to keep water treated.

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Posted: 2/7/2012 12:14:23 PM
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Shoot, just take some 3/16" dia aluminum rod. Bend up an identical handle and bottle insert, and a connector piece. Insert one end of the contraption into the neck of the bottle, and it will pick up the bottle straight every time. Put a crook in the connector, and it will hold the handle off the bottle so it doesn't get hot

Oh, well, another idea given away for free.

I have to admit, I am much more of a visual learner so by any chance do you have a pic of this setup?

I also have to admit I'm somewhat confused by your advice. To paraphrase, you are basically recommending a "system" or bottle, cup, filter, carrier, etc. that if not necessarily all designed and built by the same company are at least designed to all fit and work together. That part I get and fully agree with, so much so I've already been working on my own kits consisting of Nalgene\Guyot SS water bottles, GSI Glacier Cup/Pot, Katadyn filter, etc. in a Condor pouch but it seems that you already have that combo and don't care for it?

That's what I'm confused about, the Nalgene SS combo seems to be almost exactly what you recommended but yet you don't care for that specific combo? Is it just about the weight\bulk of that combo or are there other aspects of it you do not care for?
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Posted: 2/7/2012 9:18:46 PM
OP,

I think any kind of food grade SS bottles have liners in them that extreme heat will damage. I would advise boiling your water in a metal pot or canteen cup, then filling your canteen.

The USGI issue canteens/cups are pretty hard to beat, and replacements are found anywhere. I have several, and my favorite is stamped 1941 :)

The current issue canteens went down to a thinner plastic that is more susceptible to melting if they get too close to the fire, though they do save on weight a bit. I personally prefer the 70's to early 90's issue ones that have thicker walls. They just hold up! With the canteen cup fitting perfectly inside it, it's just the best system out there, I think––for the money spent.
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Posted: 2/9/2012 7:37:18 PM
I find a lot of great things on eBay for great prices, but the only 2 qt canteen I know about is the USGI canteen, I don't think you can boil in these but you can get a metal canteen cup._
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Posted: 2/10/2012 12:18:55 AM
I use the Snow Peak Titanium Solo Cookset. It all nests on the bottom of a nalgene.

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Posted: 2/10/2012 8:27:09 AM
I think this is a good one
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OP, I know this isn't what you posted that you are looking for, but it's cool, and someone else reading the thread might like it. I got this set:






Granted, I've only gotten to use this a couple of times, last Oct, will post my own pics after wife has this kid and I can get out again.

I got it at http://www.canteenshop.com/

They used to be closely associated with Dave Canterbury, before he got the job with Discovery. Now, not so much.

I think the entire kit was made in the USA.

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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:20:01 AM
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OP,

I think any kind of food grade SS bottles have liners in them that extreme heat will damage. I would advise boiling your water in a metal pot or canteen cup, then filling your canteen.

The USGI issue canteens/cups are pretty hard to beat, and replacements are found anywhere. I have several, and my favorite is stamped 1941 :)

The current issue canteens went down to a thinner plastic that is more susceptible to melting if they get too close to the fire, though they do save on weight a bit. I personally prefer the 70's to early 90's issue ones that have thicker walls. They just hold up! With the canteen cup fitting perfectly inside it, it's just the best system out there, I think––for the money spent.


There is no need for a liner in food grade SS...that is the whole point of the food grade requirement. I have been boiling water in them for about 3 years and have tested the water ( I am not gonna drink anything that will harm me) and it tests out fine ...if not a little higher in iron! LOL)

Aluminum is an absolute no no as they DO have a lined inside to keep them from corroding (usually and epoxy mix).

I get the 18/8 food grade ss bottles and just make sure there is nothing on the outside. Even chinese made ones work well.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:21:06 AM
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I use the Snow Peak Titanium Solo Cookset. It all nests on the bottom of a nalgene.

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So do I Doc...it also fits the big 40ox Kleen canteen in ss.....
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Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
OP,

I think any kind of food grade SS bottles have liners in them that extreme heat will damage. I would advise boiling your water in a metal pot or canteen cup, then filling your canteen.

The USGI issue canteens/cups are pretty hard to beat, and replacements are found anywhere. I have several, and my favorite is stamped 1941 :)

The current issue canteens went down to a thinner plastic that is more susceptible to melting if they get too close to the fire, though they do save on weight a bit. I personally prefer the 70's to early 90's issue ones that have thicker walls. They just hold up! With the canteen cup fitting perfectly inside it, it's just the best system out there, I think––for the money spent.


There is no need for a liner in food grade SS...that is the whole point of the food grade requirement. I have been boiling water in them for about 3 years and have tested the water ( I am not gonna drink anything that will harm me) and it tests out fine ...if not a little higher in iron! LOL)

Aluminum is an absolute no no as they DO have a lined inside to keep them from corroding (usually and epoxy mix).

I get the 18/8 food grade ss bottles and just make sure there is nothing on the outside. Even chinese made ones work well.


Are you saying I should not boil water in this?
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Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
OP,

I think any kind of food grade SS bottles have liners in them that extreme heat will damage. I would advise boiling your water in a metal pot or canteen cup, then filling your canteen.

The USGI issue canteens/cups are pretty hard to beat, and replacements are found anywhere. I have several, and my favorite is stamped 1941 :)

The current issue canteens went down to a thinner plastic that is more susceptible to melting if they get too close to the fire, though they do save on weight a bit. I personally prefer the 70's to early 90's issue ones that have thicker walls. They just hold up! With the canteen cup fitting perfectly inside it, it's just the best system out there, I think––for the money spent.


There is no need for a liner in food grade SS...that is the whole point of the food grade requirement. I have been boiling water in them for about 3 years and have tested the water ( I am not gonna drink anything that will harm me) and it tests out fine ...if not a little higher in iron! LOL)

Aluminum is an absolute no no as they DO have a lined inside to keep them from corroding (usually and epoxy mix).

I get the 18/8 food grade ss bottles and just make sure there is nothing on the outside. Even chinese made ones work well.


Are you saying I should not boil water in this?



In the cup sure... for the canteen it depends if it has a coating on the inside, my guess is no. (most of the surplus is straight aluminum)
The newer aluminum canteens that are offered at dept stores every where all have a teflon or epoxy coating on the inside so as to help the aluminum from oxidising due to beverage storage. This would be very bad to boil.
Straight wall aluminum canteens (no coating) are suposidly not good for storing liquid in for any period of time. Though I am sure it will be fine for interval type ussage. I know I have a couple mess kits that are aluminum etc.
If you keep your eye open you can find stainless steel water bottles for cheap. I picked up some 24oz Stanley SS water bottles for 5$ each (closeout at wally world) They work great as a watterbottle and boiling.
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No coating inside those French canteens, you can boil no problem.
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Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
OP,

I think any kind of food grade SS bottles have liners in them that extreme heat will damage. I would advise boiling your water in a metal pot or canteen cup, then filling your canteen.

The USGI issue canteens/cups are pretty hard to beat, and replacements are found anywhere. I have several, and my favorite is stamped 1941 :)

The current issue canteens went down to a thinner plastic that is more susceptible to melting if they get too close to the fire, though they do save on weight a bit. I personally prefer the 70's to early 90's issue ones that have thicker walls. They just hold up! With the canteen cup fitting perfectly inside it, it's just the best system out there, I think––for the money spent.


There is no need for a liner in food grade SS...that is the whole point of the food grade requirement. I have been boiling water in them for about 3 years and have tested the water ( I am not gonna drink anything that will harm me) and it tests out fine ...if not a little higher in iron! LOL)

Aluminum is an absolute no no as they DO have a lined inside to keep them from corroding (usually and epoxy mix).

I get the 18/8 food grade ss bottles and just make sure there is nothing on the outside. Even chinese made ones work well.


Are you saying I should not boil water in this?



In the cup sure... for the canteen it depends if it has a coating on the inside, my guess is no. (most of the surplus is straight aluminum)
The newer aluminum canteens that are offered at dept stores every where all have a teflon or epoxy coating on the inside so as to help the aluminum from oxidising due to beverage storage. This would be very bad to boil.
Straight wall aluminum canteens (no coating) are suposidly not good for storing liquid in for any period of time. Though I am sure it will be fine for interval type ussage. I know I have a couple mess kits that are aluminum etc.
If you keep your eye open you can find stainless steel water bottles for cheap. I picked up some 24oz Stanley SS water bottles for 5$ each (closeout at wally world) They work great as a watterbottle and boiling.


Is there a way to tell for sure if it has a coating?
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No coating inside those French canteens, you can boil no problem.


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This How Its Made video shows how the metal canteens that are popular now are made, including how they powder coat the inside (skip to ~2min for inside coating).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J_Rnf_aKd-0[/youtube]

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