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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Sure, maybe connect the neutrals and earth gnd, place a 110vac lamp between the hot outputs to observe phase difference, place an adjustable load [power resistor] in series with the 2 genny's outputs, fire them up, lower the resistance forcing the gennnies to sync [and reducing dissipated current in the resistor]... Connect load. Then, ---stand back... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By backbencher: It's almost fall. We ready to figure out how to gang these? Sure, maybe connect the neutrals and earth gnd, place a 110vac lamp between the hot outputs to observe phase difference, place an adjustable load [power resistor] in series with the 2 genny's outputs, fire them up, lower the resistance forcing the gennnies to sync [and reducing dissipated current in the resistor]... Connect load. Then, ---stand back... Yes, it can be done that way. Can we come up w/ a more reliable way? Chain, gears, shaft, or electronic tri-rectifier? |
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Yes, it can be done that way. Can we come up w/ a more reliable way? Chain, gears, shaft, or electronic tri-rectifier? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By backbencher: It's almost fall. We ready to figure out how to gang these? Sure, maybe connect the neutrals and earth gnd, place a 110vac lamp between the hot outputs to observe phase difference, place an adjustable load [power resistor] in series with the 2 genny's outputs, fire them up, lower the resistance forcing the gennnies to sync [and reducing dissipated current in the resistor]... Connect load. Then, ---stand back... Yes, it can be done that way. Can we come up w/ a more reliable way? Chain, gears, shaft, or electronic tri-rectifier? Sure. 2 big rectifiers to convert to DC, connect in parallel, then a big inverter to get back to AC. If you want to be a pussy about it. :) I need to talk to my Dad - over 40 years doing startup and commissioning on electrical equipment, including syncing equipment by hand. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0:
Sure. 2 big rectifiers to convert to DC, connect in parallel, then a big inverter to get back to AC. If you want to be a pussy about it. :) I need to talk to my Dad - over 40 years doing startup and commissioning on electrical equipment, including syncing equipment by hand. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By R2point0:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By backbencher: It's almost fall. We ready to figure out how to gang these? Sure, maybe connect the neutrals and earth gnd, place a 110vac lamp between the hot outputs to observe phase difference, place an adjustable load [power resistor] in series with the 2 genny's outputs, fire them up, lower the resistance forcing the gennnies to sync [and reducing dissipated current in the resistor]... Connect load. Then, ---stand back... Yes, it can be done that way. Can we come up w/ a more reliable way? Chain, gears, shaft, or electronic tri-rectifier? Sure. 2 big rectifiers to convert to DC, connect in parallel, then a big inverter to get back to AC. If you want to be a pussy about it. :) I need to talk to my Dad - over 40 years doing startup and commissioning on electrical equipment, including syncing equipment by hand. What I really "need" is a twin gen setup that spits out 220AC - to run a CHU A/C. Diesels are too heavy to ship to an APO, and and PARover has proven the HF can be run on rubbing alcohol from the PX.. Having a scalable genny plant that you can add capacity to whenever Harbor Freight has a sale would be quite the advantage. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
What I really "need" is a twin gen setup that spits out 220AC - to run a CHU A/C. Diesels are too heavy to ship to an APO, and and PARover has proven the HF can be run on rubbing alcohol from the PX.. Having a scalable genny plant that you can add capacity to whenever Harbor Freight has a sale would be quite the advantage. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By R2point0:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By backbencher: It's almost fall. We ready to figure out how to gang these? Sure, maybe connect the neutrals and earth gnd, place a 110vac lamp between the hot outputs to observe phase difference, place an adjustable load [power resistor] in series with the 2 genny's outputs, fire them up, lower the resistance forcing the gennnies to sync [and reducing dissipated current in the resistor]... Connect load. Then, ---stand back... Yes, it can be done that way. Can we come up w/ a more reliable way? Chain, gears, shaft, or electronic tri-rectifier? Sure. 2 big rectifiers to convert to DC, connect in parallel, then a big inverter to get back to AC. If you want to be a pussy about it. :) I need to talk to my Dad - over 40 years doing startup and commissioning on electrical equipment, including syncing equipment by hand. What I really "need" is a twin gen setup that spits out 220AC - to run a CHU A/C. Diesels are too heavy to ship to an APO, and and PARover has proven the HF can be run on rubbing alcohol from the PX.. Having a scalable genny plant that you can add capacity to whenever Harbor Freight has a sale would be quite the advantage. I just read the entire two pages on that thread, simply outstanding! |
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I just went and read through that thread.
One relatively simple thing he failed to try was taking the 70% Alcohol and using fractional distillation to bring it up to 95%+ A small simple solar still sitting inside near a widow could likely process a pint in about 4-6 hours. A stove top unit (2 burner) might be able to crank out about a gallon /hr Also and old 2 Stroke racing trick was to jet a bit rich then by adjusting your premix oil ratio you could fine tune the air fuel mixture - More oil in the fuel means a leaner mix. The oil particles suspended in the air/fuel stream coats the parts and passes out (coating the inside of the muffler) and the only bit that burns is what is consumed after the fuel has burned and what little free oxygen is left, due to the slow burn rates much of this happens as the exhaust is exiting and even in the expansion chamber. |
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Question. Should I replace my blue one with a red one?
I bought the blue version of the generator It has ran fine for about 50 -70 hours. It does have a bit of a knock that it has always been there. I also bought the extended warranty that runs out 10/10/14. Should I return it and get it replaced for the red one? Has there proved to be any difference between the models? Any improvements? I'm somewhat afraid of getting one with worse reliability. I believe they will only replace it once. |
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No opinion? (Rare for arfcom)
I've got until tomorrow to exchange. For now I think I'll keep the blue one. |
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i have 2 of the blue ones and i bought one for my dad. he uses his a few times a week around his rayd and hour or 2 at a time. no issues with any of them. replacing the plug in mine and using the correct gasoline removed all the knock from my units.
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Easy, tiger.
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I haven't forgotten about this. Give me another few weeks and things will start slowing down for me to be able to do some tinkering...
We will start up another donation for a second unit to make it happen, unless someone in FL has one to donate to the cause. |
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"Be safe!" says the guy running two strokes on alcohol & lighter fluid... :-) backbencher
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I'm in for a half. There are some folks about here w/ 3-D printers, if we need mechanical adapters. Should we go mechanical, electronic, or manual electric?
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Harbor freight is getting ready for a sidewalk sale, think it's next weekend.
I bought my last red genny for $40.
May want to check your local stores and see if they have any on clearanc. The one I got worked fine only issue was the box was damaged. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: I'm in for a half. There are some folks about here w/ 3-D printers, if we need mechanical adapters. Should we go mechanical, electronic, or manual electric? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher: I'm in for a half. There are some folks about here w/ 3-D printers, if we need mechanical adapters. Should we go mechanical, electronic, or manual electric? Yes... I will first see if I can get them to sync and load them down coupled together. I will also see how they could be mechanically coupled for mechanical phasing and 180 for 240 vac output. Originally Posted By hanau: Harbor freight is getting ready for a sidewalk sale, think it's next weekend. I bought my last red genny for $40. May want to check your local stores and see if they have any on clearanc. The one I got worked fine only issue was the box was damaged. Thanks for the reminder, saw that on an email. If not black Friday usually has a good sale period. |
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"Be safe!" says the guy running two strokes on alcohol & lighter fluid... :-) backbencher
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By PARover: Yes...
I will first see if I can get them to sync and load them down coupled together. I will also see how they could be mechanically coupled for mechanical phasing and 180 for 240 vac output. IBT memorial thread. |
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I see us collectively as a country bumpkin, sitting on a log with a rifle, having no understanding what's going on beyond a few trees away, about to be enslaved with no interest by whom or what.
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By PARover: Yes...
I will first see if I can get them to sync and load them down coupled together. I will also see how they could be mechanically coupled for mechanical phasing and 180 for 240 vac output. What will we be running with 900 watts @ 240v? |
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Originally Posted By Blackoperations: What will we be running with 900 watts @ 240v? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blackoperations: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By PARover: Yes... I will first see if I can get them to sync and load them down coupled together. I will also see how they could be mechanically coupled for mechanical phasing and 180 for 240 vac output. What will we be running with 900 watts @ 240v? |
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"Be safe!" says the guy running two strokes on alcohol & lighter fluid... :-) backbencher
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Originally Posted By Blackoperations:
What will we be running with 900 watts @ 240v? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blackoperations:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By PARover: Yes... I will first see if I can get them to sync and load them down coupled together. I will also see how they could be mechanically coupled for mechanical phasing and 180 for 240 vac output. What will we be running with 900 watts @ 240v? A CHU air conditioner in the Islamic State. |
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Stopped by HF today to get a free 7 function vom, and the flyer for the parking lot sale next weekend has the genny for $89.99.
I will open the funding... anyone wishing to donate for the second unit (i will be reusing the genny from the alcohol/Charcoal lighter fluid/mothball/fingernail polish remover testing as unit #1) to sync and try to mechanically couple for 240 vac. email me that your in, and how much you would care to donate, and I will respond with my PP email address for you to gift it to. I will say up front, that I would like to raise around $120 minimum as I will be purchasing gasoline and other hardware to make this happen. The above mentioned go-round wasn't cheap with all the ethyl alcohol, fingernail polish remover and lighter fluid I was out of pocket. I am not looking to make anything out of this, and if there is $$$ left over we can donate it to a good cause. I should be able to have the free time to get things rolling by November. PAR |
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"Be safe!" says the guy running two strokes on alcohol & lighter fluid... :-) backbencher
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Originally Posted By PARover:
Stopped by HF today to get a free 7 function vom, and the flyer for the parking lot sale next weekend has the genny for $89.99. I will open the funding... anyone wishing to donate for the second unit (i will be reusing the genny from the alcohol/Charcoal lighter fluid/mothball/fingernail polish remover testing as unit #1) to sync and try to mechanically couple for 240 vac. email me that your in, and how much you would care to donate, and I will respond with my PP email address for you to gift it to. I will say up front, that I would like to raise around $120 minimum as I will be purchasing gasoline and other hardware to make this happen. The above mentioned go-round wasn't cheap with all the ethyl alcohol, fingernail polish remover and lighter fluid I was out of pocket. I am not looking to make anything out of this, and if there is $$$ left over we can donate it to a good cause. I should be able to have the free time to get things rolling by November. PAR View Quote Anything new? |
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Originally Posted By Blackoperations: Anything new? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blackoperations: Originally Posted By PARover: Stopped by HF today to get a free 7 function vom, and the flyer for the parking lot sale next weekend has the genny for $89.99. I will open the funding... anyone wishing to donate for the second unit (i will be reusing the genny from the alcohol/Charcoal lighter fluid/mothball/fingernail polish remover testing as unit #1) to sync and try to mechanically couple for 240 vac. email me that your in, and how much you would care to donate, and I will respond with my PP email address for you to gift it to. I will say up front, that I would like to raise around $120 minimum as I will be purchasing gasoline and other hardware to make this happen. The above mentioned go-round wasn't cheap with all the ethyl alcohol, fingernail polish remover and lighter fluid I was out of pocket. I am not looking to make anything out of this, and if there is $$$ left over we can donate it to a good cause. I should be able to have the free time to get things rolling by November. PAR Anything new? |
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"Be safe!" says the guy running two strokes on alcohol & lighter fluid... :-) backbencher
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Originally Posted By PARover: I was able to pick it up when it was on sale, so far backbencher is the only one who contributed. Now I gotta get the time to do some rigging. I am going to try and do the parallel this weekend, but have a bunch of things on the honey-do to take care of as well. It's coming though. View Quote Come on fellas. I don't even have a full time job & I'm not retired. PARover did a beautiful experiment and write up on our favorite generator running on 70% rubbing alcohol. This project, if successful, would make the little 2-stroke an infinitely-variable capacity generator - just add $89.95 for an additional 900 W of power. And PARover is quite literally taking the electrical risk for the rest of us. |
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How many operating hours are you guys getting out of these things before they're junk?
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Originally Posted By FluffyTheCat:
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Come on fellas. I don't even have a full time job & I'm not retired. PARover did a beautiful experiment and write up on our favorite generator running on 70% rubbing alcohol. This project, if successful, would make the little 2-stroke an infinitely-variable capacity generator - just add $89.95 for an additional 900 W of power. And PARover is quite literally taking the electrical risk for the rest of us. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By PARover: I was able to pick it up when it was on sale, so far backbencher is the only one who contributed. Now I gotta get the time to do some rigging. I am going to try and do the parallel this weekend, but have a bunch of things on the honey-do to take care of as well. It's coming though. Come on fellas. I don't even have a full time job & I'm not retired. PARover did a beautiful experiment and write up on our favorite generator running on 70% rubbing alcohol. This project, if successful, would make the little 2-stroke an infinitely-variable capacity generator - just add $89.95 for an additional 900 W of power. And PARover is quite literally taking the electrical risk for the rest of us. Electrical risk??? |
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Originally Posted By gogetumnow: Interested myself. They don't have an hour meter but some good speculation would be nice from those who have used them extensively. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By gogetumnow: Originally Posted By alphabavo: How many operating hours are you guys getting out of these things before they're junk? Interested myself. They don't have an hour meter but some good speculation would be nice from those who have used them extensively. Not sure on the long term, but it will run 30+ hours on Rubbing Alcohol/Charcoal Lighter fluid/nail polish remover/moth ball mixture. In other news. got a commitment for a donation tonight for the parallel tests, should have time Friday after Thanksgiving to get things "fired up". Pun intended. |
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"Be safe!" says the guy running two strokes on alcohol & lighter fluid... :-) backbencher
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Hammet is having some issues w/ his starter cord yanking back. Any ideas?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1689636_Help____My_little_harbor_freight_generator_is_trying_to_kill_me___.html |
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Hammet is having some issues w/ his starter cord yanking back. Any ideas? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1689636_Help____My_little_harbor_freight_generator_is_trying_to_kill_me___.html View Quote i thought the marry a man comment was a good fix.... |
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Easy, tiger.
Between his background and his porn collection, TBS is not to be questioned when it comes to bleeding, vomiting, or pooping.... BUCC_Guy |
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The estimable PARover is @ it again:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1700723_.html He's going to try synchronizing two of them to produce 1800 W first.... |
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Anyone have a genny with a blown motor?
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"Be safe!" says the guy running two strokes on alcohol & lighter fluid... :-) backbencher
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[Last Edit: Blackoperations]
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Originally Posted By PARover:
Anyone have a genny with a blown motor? View Quote I have not blown one up yet. However, my original one (bought in 2010) is getting harder to start. Sometimes it takes almost 10 cycles, but normally i just spray some carb starter fluid in the intake and it starts in 2 pulls (sometimes 1). Constantly overloading the unit likely attributed to this hard start concern. This unit has a unknown number of hours, likely close to 500 hours (who knows). How did the experimental pairing work out? Anyone going to run this thing on propane with some type of drip oil system? |
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Originally Posted By Blackoperations: I have not blown one up yet. However, my original one (bought in 2010) is getting harder to start. Sometimes it takes almost 10 cycles, but normally i just spray some carb starter fluid in the intake and it starts in 2 pulls (sometimes 1).
Constantly overloading the unit likely attributed to this hard start concern. This unit has a unknown number of hours, likely close to 500 hours (who knows). How did the experimental pairing work out? Anyone going to run this thing on propane with some type of drip oil system? View Quote 70% rubbing alcohol not good enough for you? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1551220_.html |
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Have a chance to scoop up some oil very cheap. What do you think of Spectro Syn Sno? Any issues with running it in the genny or other 2 stroke for that matter? (Stihl chainsaw/whacker).
Bought 1 HF and it had a strange noise/rattle, so it went back...second one is fine. |
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Golden Spectro was good stuff back in the day when I used to race.
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11-06-2012: All HOPE is lost, for there will be NO CHANGE.
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$88.88 until April 30th
super coupon code 28246472 |
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bump so no archive......
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So far, mine has been going since June of 2012. I run it for an hour with an 800W heater once a month, and last winter I had to run it for almost 36 hours to provide power for the TV and freezer when we lost power in a snow storm.
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So... instead of reading 42 pages.... Can I get a synopsis/ overall review? Sorry, I am feeling lazy and would like to get the BLUF (bottom line up front).. Thanks.
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Originally Posted By Mpnelson81: So... instead of reading 42 pages.... Can I get a synopsis/ overall review? Sorry, I am feeling lazy and would like to get the BLUF (bottom line up front).. Thanks. View Quote It's a $.10/Watt genny that will run on anything from 10% ethanol gas all the way to lighter fluid & 70% rubbing alcohol. It's 2 stroke, so you have to add oil. We're working on figuring out how to gang them, the current effort is mechanical rather than electrical. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: It's a $.10/Watt genny that will run on anything from 10% ethanol gas all the way to lighter fluid & 70% rubbing alcohol. It's 2 stroke, so you have to add oil. We're working on figuring out how to gang them, the current effort is mechanical rather than electrical. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Mpnelson81: So... instead of reading 42 pages.... Can I get a synopsis/ overall review? Sorry, I am feeling lazy and would like to get the BLUF (bottom line up front).. Thanks. It's a $.10/Watt genny that will run on anything from 10% ethanol gas all the way to lighter fluid & 70% rubbing alcohol. It's 2 stroke, so you have to add oil. We're working on figuring out how to gang them, the current effort is mechanical rather than electrical. |
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Originally Posted By MongoCaver:
What he said...And it will run a 6000 watt window air conditioner if you treat it right. That by itself is worth the $100 it ends up costing you after you buy the generator, a new spark plug and the fuel to break it in. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MongoCaver:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By Mpnelson81: So... instead of reading 42 pages.... Can I get a synopsis/ overall review? Sorry, I am feeling lazy and would like to get the BLUF (bottom line up front).. Thanks. It's a $.10/Watt genny that will run on anything from 10% ethanol gas all the way to lighter fluid & 70% rubbing alcohol. It's 2 stroke, so you have to add oil. We're working on figuring out how to gang them, the current effort is mechanical rather than electrical. 600 maybe? |
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Originally Posted By SeanTX:
Originally Posted By MongoCaver:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By Mpnelson81: So... instead of reading 42 pages.... Can I get a synopsis/ overall review? Sorry, I am feeling lazy and would like to get the BLUF (bottom line up front).. Thanks. It's a $.10/Watt genny that will run on anything from 10% ethanol gas all the way to lighter fluid & 70% rubbing alcohol. It's 2 stroke, so you have to add oil. We're working on figuring out how to gang them, the current effort is mechanical rather than electrical. 600 maybe? Pretty sure he means 6000 BTU/h. Or half a ton. But not 1000 pounds. Nor 500 kilograms. |
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Yep, 6000 btu. A mind is a terrible thing to waste...
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I bought one and almost never use it, surged too much, the UPSs hate it if I try and run servers on it... Fridge isn't much better, aside from powering like light weight electric lawn equipment (it powers a harbor freight pole saw perfectly) I haven't got much use out of it. Shortly after I bought a real 30A Champion which runs a million times better and easier so in a power outage thats all that gets used. Electric start and all, for only $300 unless you need to move it around everywhere I'd take that any day of the week.
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Originally Posted By MrZeat:
I bought one and almost never use it, surged too much, the UPSs hate it if I try and run servers on it... Fridge isn't much better, aside from powering like light weight electric lawn equipment (it powers a harbor freight pole saw perfectly) I haven't got much use out of it. Shortly after I bought a real 30A Champion which runs a million times better and easier so in a power outage thats all that gets used. Electric start and all, for only $300 unless you need to move it around everywhere I'd take that any day of the week. View Quote 89 or better octane fuel and a non-Chicom spark plug usually take care of the surging. They also run smoother after a tank or two of fuel under load. |
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Originally Posted By MongoCaver:
Yep, 6000 btu. A mind is a terrible thing to waste... View Quote It will run a 5-6k btu window unit, see page 14: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_18/632490_Review_of_the__79_Harbor_Freight_Generator__with_pics__56k_noway____update_page_14.html&page=14 |
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Originally Posted By SeanTX:
89 or better octane fuel and a non-Chicom spark plug usually take care of the surging. They also run smoother after a tank or two of fuel under load. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SeanTX:
Originally Posted By MrZeat:
I bought one and almost never use it, surged too much, the UPSs hate it if I try and run servers on it... Fridge isn't much better, aside from powering like light weight electric lawn equipment (it powers a harbor freight pole saw perfectly) I haven't got much use out of it. Shortly after I bought a real 30A Champion which runs a million times better and easier so in a power outage thats all that gets used. Electric start and all, for only $300 unless you need to move it around everywhere I'd take that any day of the week. 89 or better octane fuel and a non-Chicom spark plug usually take care of the surging. They also run smoother after a tank or two of fuel under load. This is the perfect solution, only other thing I can add is that break in time is also important on these units. It smooths out considerably after 25-30 hours of use. |
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