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I plan on completing the things I absolutely need to live first View Quote Ventilation will be a biggie, particularly in Texas with summer coming. If you want to avoid windows for OPSEC's sake, a couple of roof vents will be almost essential. You need 2, because you can't force air into an enclosure that doesn't also have somewhere for it to exit. They won't move much air on their own, so one of them needs to be powered. Fan-Tastic makes some good ones - They're sold at Camping World, and on Amazon. |
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I'll be adding a 12k BTU mini-split before I actually move into it. As of now I don't plan on adding any windows, that may change down the road but I don't foresee it. Unfortunately this trailer didn't come with a vent on the roof, also something else I would like to avoid adding. I'll be looking into some sort of screens for the door and possibly the ramp to get some good airflow going on the cooler days.
In saying that I meant like the shower probably won't be a priority as I will be able to hook up a head to the propane water heater outside. |
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Cool project, build it and then sell it for profit. I think anything beyond a week or two would be miserable. I do love these build threads though, but if your good at it it could be a second job for you.
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I hear you on the building these for a living, it's damn tempting. I make a good living working in the trades though at least for now while Austin is booming. Housing prices have skyrocketed here to a point I'm really not comfortable paying. I work anywhere from 10-12hrs a day so I'm basically just coming home to eat/sleep/cleanup and I'm only willing to pay so much to do that. As of right now I rent with 2 roommates and I'm getting too old to be dealing with the shit having roommates entails, plus moving every few years sucks. I'm not claustrophobic by any means so this should be rather enjoyable I would think depending on how many creature comforts I can fit into this thing.
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Cool idea!
I was wondering why 2x4 walls? Seems like it would waste a lot of room inside. I thought about using C-channel and some sort of panels to make partitions instead of walls. 2x4s would simplify things maybe- common hardware and such. |
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So basically the bathroom wall I added will be the only wall addition, the rest will be as open as possible. The main reason for the 2x4's were the electrical panel (flush mount obviously requires them) and I will be using a full size interior house door for the bathroom. I didn't think it would be worth trying to save an inch or so here and then having to work around these things I know I wanted. I've pretty much watched or seen majority of the cargo trailer builds by now and I have not seen one that actually had a real bathroom with a door that can be closed. That was like my main requirement when starting this.
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I'm going to slap some .99 "wood" snap together floor on this thing sometime this week and start to get the ball rolling on the kitchen area. There will be a 16ish gallon fresh water tank under the sink, grey water will either dump to the ground or an external tank when required. I will not be adding a black water tank to this thing because fuck that. Right now I plan on mounting a toilet seat to a piece of wood with a 5gal bucket under it and using trash bags. Sounds crude but its simple and effective, composting toilet may be a future upgrade still deciding. Eventually the idea is to retire this thing to only camping trips so some of these things won't be as much of an issue at that point.
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12 volt fresh water pumps are a PITA - they require a lot of space (particularly with the plumbing), and they tend to break often.
Several manufacturers make sink faucets with a built-in hand pump - commonly sold in boating supply stores. Loacating the freshwater tank near the ceiling would be another way of avoiding the need for a water pump - doesn't take much elevation to gravity-feed a sink faucet. |
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I did a cargo trailer conversion a few years ago. We use it for camping. We like it. Yours is much bigger than mine though.
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Why not just buy a cheap used camper and call it done ? View Quote That's a weird question to ask someone who is a 1/4 of the way through building one. I already own this one so that rules that out plus like you said it would be "cheap"as in made quickly with shitty materials. Did I mention I would be hauling my motorcycle in this with me? That's obviously not something that's possible in a conventional TT/camper. |
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I have the same trailer and was going too do same conversion I looked around found a 24 foot camper for $1000 put a trailer hitch on it and a versa haul bike carrier much more comfortable . I do like the stealth aspect of the conversion and you are doing a fantastic job . I saw one with a bed that retracted from the ceiling to save room for ATV/motorcycle . Look up stealth campers lot of cool ideas , good luck in your build I look forward to seeing the finished camper
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Counter tops are done for the most part except the trim around the edges. I left that off for now since I will likely be removing it to finish sanding and sealing. Did I mention how much of a fan we are of pallet wood around here? The local hipsters are going to be all over this thing If I ever decide to sell it. When I mentioned putting the floor in I totally forgot about not having A/C in it yet. I know when I put the laminate flooring in my old house I had to let it sit for a couple days to acclimate, although I was putting it down over concrete. Could I put it down and just brad nail it to keep it from warping? Is warping even an issue with this stuff? I'm probably at least 2-3 months away from being able to afford the mini split I want so I don't want that holding me up on flooring. https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17264384_10154598221078198_2562492175813784941_n.jpg?oh=3c59eca0f806e089247ed2a476ee7aa9&oe=59337864 View Quote I wouldn't bother with laminate flooring. Definitely don't nail it if you do. I would go with vinyl plank or loose lay linoleum. I used vinyl plank in mine. What mini split are you looking at? There are some really good priced minis out there now. We use a small window AC unit that is converted to a through the wall for cooling the camper. When we are at a place with electric hookups, we use a small ceramic heater. If we camp where there is no electric, we have lots of blankets! We do have a Mr Buddy heater but only use that if we are awake. On the lowest setting it still puts out too much heat. |
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I wouldn't bother with laminate flooring. Definitely don't nail it if you do. I would go with vinyl plank or loose lay linoleum. I used vinyl plank in mine. What mini split are you looking at? There are some really good priced minis out there now. We use a small window AC unit that is converted to a through the wall for cooling the camper. When we are at a place with electric hookups, we use a small ceramic heater. If we camp where there is no electric, we have lots of blankets! We do have a Mr Buddy heater but only use that if we are awake. On the lowest setting it still puts out too much heat. View Quote This is the one I would be considering. I would still need to pay someone to charge it for me which might add quite a bit more to the price. https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Air-Conditioner-Inverter-Ductless/dp/B01DVW6G06/ref=pd_sbs_201_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01DVW6G06&pd_rd_r=GHD4WD7WXR21RWE0KGRA&pd_rd_w=ecOLy&pd_rd_wg=Ko8v0&refRID=GHD4WD7WXR21RWE0KGRA&th=1&tag=vglnk-c102-20 I just looked at your thread, very nice with the window unit. I ruled one out basically because I couldn't think of a realistic way to keep it from sticking outside the trailer. I just may have to steal that idea from you except it would be on the side due to the rear ramp cable system. I am curious if longterm the unit would start to have issues being in a closed in space like that. In my scenario it would be smaller area since I would build it into storage cabinets on the side. I see you got the same question about just buying a camper lol. |
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Here's the link to the TnTTT site.
http://tnttt.com/index.php?sid=43af0ed45867291c602d0ea50895c00d Those Pioneer mini splits get great reviews but I would worry about how they will hold up to the motion of the trailer when it's being towed. |
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Here's the link to the TnTTT site. http://tnttt.com/index.php?sid=43af0ed45867291c602d0ea50895c00d Those Pioneer mini splits get great reviews but I would worry about how they will hold up to the motion of the trailer when it's being towed. View Quote True, after looking at your setup I am seriously considering doing something similar mainly because its cost effective. After hearing your 5k unit is more than enough I may opt for a 6k just because I have taller ceilings and I only used 1/2" insulation in mine. |
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This is the one I would be considering. I would still need to pay someone to charge it for me which might add quite a bit more to the price. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DVW6G06?tag=vglnk-c102-20;pd_rd_i=B01DVW6G06&pd_rd_r=GHD4WD7WXR21RWE0KGRA&pd_rd_w=ecOLy&pd_rd_wg=Ko8v0&refRID=GHD4WD7WXR21RWE0KGRA&th=1&tag=vglnk-c102-20 I just looked at your thread, very nice with the window unit. I ruled one out basically because I couldn't think of a realistic way to keep it from sticking outside the trailer. I just may have to steal that idea from you except it would be on the side due to the rear ramp cable system. I am curious if longterm the unit would start to have issues being in a closed in space like that. In my scenario it would be smaller area since I would build it into storage cabinets on the side. I see you got the same question about just buying a camper lol. View Quote |
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Is there an advantage to using a mini-split over a RV roof mounted AC unit? View Quote I have limited knowledge on the roof mount units. I know for most trailers bracing would be needed. As far as cost goes they are in the same ballpark it seems. I personally like mini splits due to how efficient and quiet they are. Plus if you are like me and not really lnto the idea of cutting a bunch of holes in your trailer a mini split is perfect. |
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So this is for off the grid living or what?
ETA: survival forum. Sorry, clicked active threads or something |
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OP, we also built one and began in 2003 with all sorts of amenities... Almost 90,000 miles on it now all over the country.
Do you know how heavy this is going to be using common house construction? Vents- we used a manual one in the right rear corner and a Fantastic fan in the left front inside the bathroom. Why in the world would you let an electrical panel dictate the use of 2x4's as furring strips? Why not use a lightweight accordion door in the wall to the bathroom. For the bathroom walls, we used 1/4" plywood set in aluminum tracks screwed to the floor and similar to the ceiling. Works great. Very light-weight. We insulated the trailer quite heavily on all surfaces, and it can get hot in not too much time. Also cold We camped in 10F wx and with the Vented propane heater running and in modest sleeping bags got good sleep. We used a 12v water pump feeding via dip tube from 2 6 gallon Walmart green cans [same ones have worked well for 14 years] to minimize weight. Carrying water inside prevents freezing on trips and is simple to clean and maintain...... |
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There's a number of topics here on the toileting and electrical systems that might be helpful...
Search for stealth trailer and add the rest of the usual to the search... |
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There's a number of topics here on the toileting and electrical systems that might be helpful... Search for stealth trailer and add the rest of the usual to the search... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
There's a number of topics here on the toileting and electrical systems that might be helpful... Search for stealth trailer and add the rest of the usual to the search... I'm an electrician by trade so I pretty much have that covered, i've already discussed the toilet. Quoted:
OP, we also built one and began in 2003 with all sorts of amenities... Almost 90,000 miles on it now all over the country. Do you know how heavy this is going to be using common house construction? Vents- we used a manual one in the right rear corner and a Fantastic fan in the left front inside the bathroom. Why in the world would you let an electrical panel dictate the use of 2x4's as furring strips? Why not use a lightweight accordion door in the wall to the bathroom. For the bathroom walls, we used 1/4" plywood set in aluminum tracks screwed to the floor and similar to the ceiling. Works great. Very light-weight. We insulated the trailer quite heavily on all surfaces, and it can get hot in not too much time. Also cold We camped in 10F wx and with the Vented propane heater running and in modest sleeping bags got good sleep. We used a 12v water pump feeding via dip tube from 2 6 gallon Walmart green cans [same ones have worked well for 14 years] to minimize weight. Carrying water inside prevents freezing on trips and is simple to clean and maintain...... Look, I highly doubt 1 2x4 wall is going to make this thing unable to be pulled. I wanted an actual door in here, not an RV door. THAT was the main reason for the 2x4's, |
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I have limited knowledge on the roof mount units. I know for most trailers bracing would be needed. As far as cost goes they are in the same ballpark it seems. I personally like mini splits due to how efficient and quiet they are. Plus if you are like me and not really lnto the idea of cutting a bunch of holes in your trailer a mini split is perfect. View Quote Our roof mt'd unit is very noisy... |
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I'm an electrician by trade so I pretty much have that covered, i've already discussed the toilet. Look, I highly doubt 1 2x4 wall is going to make this thing unable to be pulled. I wanted an actual door in here, not an RV door. THAT was the main reason for the 2x4's, View Quote It still looks WAY too heavy to go very far... Carrying any amt of load... |
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Interesting read. Thanks for posting. I'm looking foward to seeing more of your build.
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Ours is just about finished. I have to made a bed frame. Might post a pic.
Tagging this thread. |
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This is pretty much what I plan on doing with the bed. Depending on whether I can make it thin enough I like the idea of a bunk on top that could also raise and lower. That might be pushing it but we will see. I've already got the thick strut from work and I will be ordering the trolleys for them but I still haven't figured out a way to easily raise the bed(s). I'm not really a fan of the big springs on the one in the video but I also don't quite understand the whole setup either.
https://youtu.be/04wZvksZD6U As for the A/C I think I have finally decided on a window unit mounted under the "couch" that will be vented through the floor. |
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Can you paint that thing white to reflect some of the heat in the summer months?
Can you put it under a car port that is much larger and slightly taller to give you some shade? Do you have plans for a skirting around it in the winter? This will save on your heating bill as air flow will be stopped. Can you store you weapons and other items in a self storage? A 5'x10' should not cost too much. You have your own property with utilities, drop a 20' insulated dry van (cargo container) on there for storage/shop. |
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Can you paint that thing white to reflect some of the heat in the summer months? Can you put it under a car port that is much larger and slightly taller to give you some shade? Do you have plans for a skirting around it in the winter? This will save on your heating bill as air flow will be stopped. Can you store you weapons and other items in a self storage? A 5'x10' should not cost too much. You have your own property with utilities, drop a 20' insulated dry van (cargo container) on there for storage/shop. View Quote My hope right now is that the A/C will be enough to counter the fact that its black. That did occur to me and if it becomes a problem ill look into it. Thankfully at least the roof isnt black. I have also thought about a canopy as well. If I end up parking it at my shop we will build one off the shop to fit both this and the bus under. I'm not too concerned with winter, they are usually pretty mild here in Tx. Heating will be much easier than cooling here. I'm stil working on the guns thing. Right now i keep them all in a gang box. The ammo would be more of an issue because of the weight. In reality Ill more than likely be able to build in some storage for majority and the rest can probably be stored at a family members. |
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I had settled on a 6k window unit, seeing as how this thing is black im inclined to step it up to maybe an 8k. I have heard that if you go to big you could run into moisture problems though. In the end i may just start out at the 6k and see how it does.
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If parking it you have some options. If you want to move it around, you still have some options.
I always liked people who built a "porch" for their camper. Pull the camper in and because of the side door that is how it was set up. You came out of the camper onto your porch or deck. Put a roof on it and one fella kept a full size fridge on the porch for the beer fridge. To some extent I would prefer a proper "awning" like a camper has for on the sides of the trailer but especially cause of the ramp doors a lot of folks use those 10x10 pop up canopies and stuff. Guess you could probably make an awning. Waterproof storage is easy. Security is the hard part. Some 55 gallon drums where the entire top pops off is nice and water proof when put together right. You do construction so you should know about job boxes as well. To some extent you might just want to find a junker cargo van and park it for storage. Can add padlocks to the doors and if it has no windows in the cargo area it is easy to secure. Being on rims it drags easy. Later on you can scrap it or something if you want to do so. I would consider painting the roof white at the very least. Awnings on the sides will keep the sun off the sides. Back door is what it is, I dislike how it seems some rot out and need rebuilt when I research cargo trailers and stuff. Lots of places to read on this stuff, playing on google will turn up all sorts of odds and ends. And to some extent if parking it I would get water in 55 gallon drums and keep em high to gravity feed if you need to fill your tank. |
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Don't use less than 8k. Even it will be marginal on a super hot day. If you can cover it, the 8k should work.
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Black trailers suck to cool, a buddy of mine has a 24 ft cargo trailer that he put a 15,000 btu AC on the roof and was bitching because he couldn't get it below 95 degrees on a 100 degree day. We took an infrared thermometer to the roof bows and they read 140 degrees and there are 12 of them. Like an oven. Coat your roof with Koolseal or some such to reflect the sun. An awning might help. I will never own a black trailer.
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If you're planning on parking it to live inside, and not take it on the road, wouldn't it be easier and better (warmer, cooler, and quieter) to just pick up a set of big shed plans and finish out inside?
You could cobble together a 12x14 shed for maybe $3K or less, then you'll have 2x4 walls you can insulate, a floor you can insulate, a real roof with attic space you can insulate.... I know you've already started on the cargo trailer but just wondering why you chose that path. |
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If parking it you have some options. If you want to move it around, you still have some options. I always liked people who built a "porch" for their camper. Pull the camper in and because of the side door that is how it was set up. You came out of the camper onto your porch or deck. Put a roof on it and one fella kept a full size fridge on the porch for the beer fridge. To some extent I would prefer a proper "awning" like a camper has for on the sides of the trailer but especially cause of the ramp doors a lot of folks use those 10x10 pop up canopies and stuff. Guess you could probably make an awning. Waterproof storage is easy. Security is the hard part. Some 55 gallon drums where the entire top pops off is nice and water proof when put together right. You do construction so you should know about job boxes as well. To some extent you might just want to find a junker cargo van and park it for storage. Can add padlocks to the doors and if it has no windows in the cargo area it is easy to secure. Being on rims it drags easy. Later on you can scrap it or something if you want to do so. I would consider painting the roof white at the very least. Awnings on the sides will keep the sun off the sides. Back door is what it is, I dislike how it seems some rot out and need rebuilt when I research cargo trailers and stuff. Lots of places to read on this stuff, playing on google will turn up all sorts of odds and ends. And to some extent if parking it I would get water in 55 gallon drums and keep em high to gravity feed if you need to fill your tank. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
If parking it you have some options. If you want to move it around, you still have some options. I always liked people who built a "porch" for their camper. Pull the camper in and because of the side door that is how it was set up. You came out of the camper onto your porch or deck. Put a roof on it and one fella kept a full size fridge on the porch for the beer fridge. To some extent I would prefer a proper "awning" like a camper has for on the sides of the trailer but especially cause of the ramp doors a lot of folks use those 10x10 pop up canopies and stuff. Guess you could probably make an awning. Waterproof storage is easy. Security is the hard part. Some 55 gallon drums where the entire top pops off is nice and water proof when put together right. You do construction so you should know about job boxes as well. To some extent you might just want to find a junker cargo van and park it for storage. Can add padlocks to the doors and if it has no windows in the cargo area it is easy to secure. Being on rims it drags easy. Later on you can scrap it or something if you want to do so. I would consider painting the roof white at the very least. Awnings on the sides will keep the sun off the sides. Back door is what it is, I dislike how it seems some rot out and need rebuilt when I research cargo trailers and stuff. Lots of places to read on this stuff, playing on google will turn up all sorts of odds and ends. And to some extent if parking it I would get water in 55 gallon drums and keep em high to gravity feed if you need to fill your tank. If I park this thing out on my buddies property security won't really be an issue. There is a good chance I will just rent a storage unit. I do have quite a few clear drums left over from my aquaponic days, I hadn't thought about using them for water. I'm going to put a tank under the "couch" but I may just use that for out of town work. I hear ya'll on the white paint. I'll definitely look into it, I've also considered one of the fabric car ports. Quoted:
Black trailers suck to cool, a buddy of mine has a 24 ft cargo trailer that he put a 15,000 btu AC on the roof and was bitching because he couldn't get it below 95 degrees on a 100 degree day. We took an infrared thermometer to the roof bows and they read 140 degrees and there are 12 of them. Like an oven. Coat your roof with Koolseal or some such to reflect the sun. An awning might help. I will never own a black trailer. Quoted:
If you're planning on parking it to live inside, and not take it on the road, wouldn't it be easier and better (warmer, cooler, and quieter) to just pick up a set of big shed plans and finish out inside? You could cobble together a 12x14 shed for maybe $3K or less, then you'll have 2x4 walls you can insulate, a floor you can insulate, a real roof with attic space you can insulate.... I know you've already started on the cargo trailer but just wondering why you chose that path. |
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