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Posted: 4/5/2015 10:31:04 PM EDT
So having 6 months of savings and food and guns and ammo forts in your earthsheltered bunker is great. But what happens when you accidentally become a social pariah, a 'most hated man on earth' for untold legions of on-line people who suddenly hate you? What defense can you muster?

I think we live in an age where the only defense against a media onslaught is to have a sufficiently widespread network of genuine friends on which to call for support including several different pro-bono law firms or charities that take cases such as the Homeschool Legal defense association or others that will send lawyers in to challenge state action or help counter the slick PR campaigns of others.

The individual simply has no money or talent to effectively defend himself or his family from a physical mob much less a social one.
Link Posted: 4/5/2015 10:36:53 PM EDT
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I think a lot of people have the feeling that being online and social media is a requirement for life.  
Social media is optional.
If someone or some group starts in on you, unplug, walk away, and let them be.  Giving them more ammo to keep the fight going will only do just that.
...or wait a week until one of the Kardashians does something stupid and the online community will move on.
Link Posted: 4/5/2015 11:49:46 PM EDT
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People have a short attention span. Worst case take a 3 month vacation. By the time you return someone else will be the new target




Link Posted: 4/6/2015 1:22:09 AM EDT
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How are you even aware of those who are jealous of you?

Maintain a low profile, eschew hubris.
Do not use social media and do not pay homage to social "trends".
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 1:32:27 AM EDT
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What happened before those "social media" crap appeared?  

Did you get together with friends who shared similar views or at least respected each other's different point of views and everyone were still friends?    The ones who behaved like jerks were simply not invited to the parties, correct?


Do not forget that that those Facebook, Tweeter and similar "social" stuff can be used in different ways.

1) losers and loonies trying to be relevant and, therefore, following any crap that will give them a sense of "belonging".    This group will follow whatever is "trendy" that day and have no self-opinions or respect and should deserve none in return.   Keep in mind that there are even companies that offer "like" services for a fee and organized mobs which only purpose is to defend or attack posts.  

2) keep in touch with real friends who you want to keep in touch with and share family photos, opinions, ask questions, etc.  


My Facebook profile is all locked and I have approx. 100 friends I keep in touch with.  No Tweeter.

Works great since I only connect with people I know personally.





Link Posted: 4/6/2015 1:47:52 AM EDT
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honestly, who cares what 'online' people think?


I'm not in seventh grade anymore.  And I don't bully easily. So called social media is a waste, so I've unplugged some time ago.  I car far more that my dog thinks I'm awesome than I do what some twit on Facebook thinks.  

A social media mob huh?  I 'm thinking the best way to avoid that scenario is don't get wrapped up in social media and start thinking it matters.
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 2:43:45 AM EDT
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honestly, who cares what 'online' people think?


I'm not in seventh grade anymore.  And I don't bully easily. So called social media is a waste, so I've unplugged some time ago.  I car far more that my dog thinks I'm awesome than I do what some twit on Facebook thinks.  

A social media mob huh?  I 'm thinking the best way to avoid that scenario is don't get wrapped up in social media and start thinking it matters.
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Link Posted: 4/6/2015 3:04:32 AM EDT
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Just go live in the woods, no internet means no problems.
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 4:25:25 AM EDT
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Social media????

We don't even use voice mail or know how to text.

Seriously...



Link Posted: 4/6/2015 6:51:56 AM EDT
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OPSEC, humility and putting any media, social or otherwise into perspective.  Social media can be easily controlled; limit "friends", limit comments (read OPSEC), ignore trolls and avoid controversial debates.  Seriously, as already mentioned, mobs have a short attention span and if they don't get a rise out of you, they will move on.  Many have the resources to hunker down in emergencies, but the best way to survive "media" threats is to hunker down and go off-line from social media and keep a low profile.  I'm pretty involved with my local community and church but I'm quite an introverted individual and avoid opening my home doors.  I'm sure some people talk, but I just ignore that crap...people will talk regardless of what you do or don't do.  Feeding the pariah-feeding trolls just gives them more ammunition.  Maintain OPSEC, but don't isolate yourself from the local community and keep all social media in perspective...it's only a weapon used against you if you allow it.

ROCK6
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 6:54:44 AM EDT
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So having 6 months of savings and food and guns and ammo forts in your earthsheltered bunker is great. But what happens when you accidentally become a social pariah, a 'most hated man on earth' for untold legions of on-line people who suddenly hate you? What defense can you muster?

I think we live in an age where the only defense against a media onslaught is to have a sufficiently widespread network of genuine friends on which to call for support including several different pro-bono law firms or charities that take cases such as the Homeschool Legal defense association or others that will send lawyers in to challenge state action or help counter the slick PR campaigns of others.

The individual simply has no money or talent to effectively defend himself or his family from a physical mob much less a social one.
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Are you being sarcastic?
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honestly, who cares what 'online' people think?


I'm not in seventh grade anymore.  And I don't bully easily. So called social media is a waste, so I've unplugged some time ago.  I car far more that my dog thinks I'm awesome than I do what some twit on Facebook thinks.  

A social media mob huh?  I 'm thinking the best way to avoid that scenario is don't get wrapped up in social media and start thinking it matters.
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For some having that online fame /self worth is his they measure themselves.  By views..clicks..likes.re tweets whatever.  Most of the time those people are the ones with a problem. But normally bring onto themselves by having a "look at me " attitude.

Me I've ne er twetted..facebooked or anything (sans my YouTube channel but its been idle for 2+ years) ..I don't need strangers to tell me how cool I am or debate stupid shit.
I got arfcom for that LOL
#shtfsuxlookatme

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Link Posted: 4/6/2015 9:51:53 AM EDT
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The extent of my social media involvement is afrcom and a few other topic specific forums.  I have a photobucket account for posting photos on said forums, and a small youtube channel.  
I don't need faceplace or whatever to connect with people I know, if they want to talk they know my phone number or where I live.  I participate in forums like this because it allows you to link up with like minded folks who share similar interests and converse about topics of interest.  Not many people I know personally who will have a long detailed conversation about which size stainless steel canteen cup is best and fit a specific bottle, or what size generator I should get for occasional emergency use.  They also don't know the difference between a scandi ground carbon steel puukko or a stainless full tang convex.  They don't care which old Kelty pack model I have uses since I was 14 years old and have no interest in the chiappa little badger.  So I participate in forums...  Dual sport forums, bushcraft forums, arfcom etc.  I post a few vids on youtube because I find it fun and entertaining.  I cold careless if any one watches it, I enjoy it and don't even pay attention to comments.  They key is not worrying about it.  If a forums starts to bug me I take a break.  I tend to use one or another more depending on my interest that week, but that's the beauty of forums and message boards.  You don't have to engage, just click the X...  Same goes for anything "on the line."  


ETA a video from E2E that I found interesting...  Good perspective and important for the younger generation.  Even on internet forums I treat ever post as if its going to be read by everyone I know...  Even internet anonymity is a thing of the past...  arock and all that.

Link Posted: 4/6/2015 10:48:49 AM EDT
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Yea, we have tried to tell our kids (grown and out of the house) about not posting too much personal stuff online,
but,
while they may agree,

we also get the usual.....
"Things are different now-a-days......."
"You don't understand....."
yadda, yadda

You know, same crap we said to our parents.... :)

Unfortunately, things ARE different, because unlike making a fool of yourself in person at the mall or beach in the "old days",
everybody has a cellphone camera and everything posted online is pretty much permanent.

I have never understood the point of being Facebook "friends" with people I don't know......

So, like others have said, if you don't post personal stuff or opinions for the world to see,
there really isn't much chance of it coming back to bite you in the a$$.
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 12:25:12 PM EDT
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Not using social media is no defense to being abused by it.



The pizza place that became the target of all the pro gay folks comes to mind.




Mom and pop place, with no website, in small town America










If you are self employed, you are one pissed off special interest snowflake away from getting hammered online and possibly losing your business.




If you are employed with a higher level job, you are one careless remark caught on a cellphone camera and upload away from being fired by bringing unwanted attention to your employer.







Link Posted: 4/6/2015 12:54:45 PM EDT
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The pizza place that became the target of all the pro gay folks comes to mind.


Mom and pop place, with no website, in small town America






If you are self employed, you are one pissed off special interest snowflake away from getting hammered online and possibly losing your business.


If you are employed with a higher level job, you are one careless remark caught on a cellphone camera and upload away from being fired by bringing unwanted attention to your employer.





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Yep, and even if you're not plugged into social media you can still be found by a simple google search.

People calling in death threats to your house at 2 am & your kids getting harassed at school by other kids because of something they heard on FB gets old after a while.  And aside from the bother, there's always the fear of the one nut that might just try.

If you become a social paraiah you almost have to relocate to get away from the threats and intimidation.
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 1:17:56 PM EDT
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About the time I was 17, I realized that MY life was my business. Anybody else who has a problem with how I live my life can deal with it, since that isn't my problem.
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 8:22:26 PM EDT
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you have got to be kidding.  why do you care about what online people say about you?  man up and grow a pair or stay off the computer.  this kind of wussiness does not deserve to survive.  get off this channel
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 8:59:46 PM EDT
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Wait, how is this a survival topic?
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online survival is a very serious business?

ar-jedi


Link Posted: 4/6/2015 10:44:26 PM EDT
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The owners of the pizza shop didn't actually refuse service to anyone. They answered a "hypothetical" in an UN-PC fashion which resulted in being buried for 24 hours in death threats by phone and email and sudden INTERNATIONAL media attention. You can bet their entire life history online is being researched right now as are their tax returns, etc.

They're not culture-warriors (that we know of). They were small business people whose young daughter said something unpopular to the local media Babe. Suddenly they're getting death threats from complete strangers...

Now...that's just one story.

It could have easily been a hypothetical about catering to a Black Panther or Atzlan event that the kid could have opined that they'd not do.....bringing down the racialist mobs on their heads.

Or some quip about animals that might bring down the PETA or Earth liberation front....

It wasn't an illegal activity. It wasn't even an immoral action. It was something deemed extremely unpopular by a faction of our society who are very well healed and very well connected online and not above SWATTING people or phoning in death threats.

Given that 9 of 10 mass shooters in the last 4 years have been ideologically left-wing or complete loons.... can the Pizza owner ever really feel safe again?

How does one prepare for such a suddenly hostile situation?

Me, I think closing shop and going on a long vacation is the smart thing....quietly sell the home and move too probably....and then re-open under a new name and with a new 'management' team where I work the counter or behind the counter as 'staff' not 'boss'.... but that kind of OPSEC is tough to sustain in a small town, and if the passions don't die down, they might need to go into permanent hiding. long guns and ammo forts might not be as important as bullet proof vests, kevlar counters, safe-rooms, and armored cars. You can't be on guard 24/7....so you'll need passive defenses in depth as well as a low profile for life or until the craze dissipates.
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 10:58:45 PM EDT
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The Ferguson situation was very similar - and only the Police leaking the strong arm robbery video to the media got enough of the truth out to undermine the mob's claimed moral superiority..... it took alot of wind out of their sails. So then the argument shifted to 'hands up, don't shoot'..... and the drum beat for new riots continued but it never caught as much fire as the original story meme would have.

The Pizza place' only advantage lay in the instant drive to bloody threats from the folk who bark about how tolerant and diverse and open-minded they are all the time. Their initial success in terror was itself the biggest asset the Pizza place had which lit the spark of outrage from most fair minded people who read past the headlines.

But even then, without a friendly national radio talk show host coming up with the crowd funding idea, the pizza place would be closed and the owners in hiding and their fortunes and lives ruined. Now they have $840,000 in consolation money.

So one lesson might be a) get wife and kids into a safe place ASAP b) consult a PR person and lawyer and c) begin engaging the most vile threats publicly to either show them as the bad guy or goad them into doing something crazy...which proves them to be the bad guy.

But the only way out from a lynch mob (figurative or literal) is offense after securing wife and kids in a safe place. Hiding only works in the initial assault. If they're out for blood or to ruin your career, you need allies and nothing gains you allies quite like effective counter-fire.
Link Posted: 4/7/2015 12:47:43 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/7/2015 1:26:26 PM EDT
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The owners of the pizza shop didn't actually refuse service to anyone. They answered a "hypothetical" in an UN-PC fashion which resulted in being buried for 24 hours in death threats by phone and email and sudden INTERNATIONAL media attention. You can bet their entire life history online is being researched right now as are their tax returns, etc.

They're not culture-warriors (that we know of). They were small business people whose young daughter said something unpopular to the local media Babe. Suddenly they're getting death threats from complete strangers...

Now...that's just one story.

It could have easily been a hypothetical about catering to a Black Panther or Atzlan event that the kid could have opined that they'd not do.....bringing down the racialist mobs on their heads.

Or some quip about animals that might bring down the PETA or Earth liberation front....

It wasn't an illegal activity. It wasn't even an immoral action. It was something deemed extremely unpopular by a faction of our society who are very well healed and very well connected online and not above SWATTING people or phoning in death threats.

Given that 9 of 10 mass shooters in the last 4 years have been ideologically left-wing or complete loons.... can the Pizza owner ever really feel safe again?

How does one prepare for such a suddenly hostile situation?

Me, I think closing shop and going on a long vacation is the smart thing....quietly sell the home and move too probably....and then re-open under a new name and with a new 'management' team where I work the counter or behind the counter as 'staff' not 'boss'.... but that kind of OPSEC is tough to sustain in a small town, and if the passions don't die down, they might need to go into permanent hiding. long guns and ammo forts might not be as important as bullet proof vests, kevlar counters, safe-rooms, and armored cars. You can't be on guard 24/7....so you'll need passive defenses in depth as well as a low profile for life or until the craze dissipates.
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That's not a social media issue, that's a saying something dumb on the news issue. We've had small businesses go under without any help from social media for doing dumb shit before.  During the eastern seaboard blackout in 2003, a gas station owner decided to jack up the price of his ice and water.  He then sent out family members to buy up all the ice around and resell it at a huge mark up.  When people found out about what he did, they didn't use Facebook or twitter. They used good old word of mouth.  People quit going to his gas station, his party store, and his restaurant.  He was finished. This isn't even a small town.

Bottom line is that focusing on social media misses the point. It just makes things easier.  It doesn't cause or create problems, bit it can magnify them.  If you operate a business, act like the world is watching and act accordingly. For your average person, social media has zero effect unless you are involved in it.

Link Posted: 4/7/2015 1:29:21 PM EDT
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Just because you don't have a social media account doesn't mean you can't be affected by it. Your customers, co workers, friends probably use social media. We had a board member who had his business hurt by online posters when they found out he supported gun rights.




Link Posted: 4/7/2015 1:47:30 PM EDT
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Unless your a true and complete asshole the money is pretty good to become a social pariah.

$850k for the pizza place.
Zimmerman got $300k+ for his legal defense and bills
chick fil a isn't hurting
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Just because you don't gossip doesn't mean you can't be affected by it.

Social media doesn't create problems, it can just magnify or mitigate them.

Was there a thread about what happened to the member you mentioned?
Link Posted: 4/7/2015 3:36:06 PM EDT
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Here's a link to my facebook page:  Oh. Wait. I'm not an attention whore. I don't have a facebook page.
Link Posted: 4/7/2015 3:54:11 PM EDT
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One (very stupid) tweet ruined this woman's life in just mere hours.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2955322/Justine-Sacco-reveals-destroyed-life-racist-tweet-trip-Africa.html

There are several other examples just like this. Anybody doubting the power of the social media spotlight doesn't understand how things have changed. 10's of thousands of people can bring a lot of "squeaky wheel" onto media outlets, employers, advertisers, etc. It used to be a much bigger world but its gotten very small very fast.

Link Posted: 4/7/2015 4:08:43 PM EDT
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Saying the wrong thing to the wrong person at work or outside of work can make work a problem.  Just the someone knowing someone can cause issues.



Internet is somewhat same, look how this site has a section for military and police and probably some other groups that have to prove they fit the description to gain access to that area.



If you have a business you really need to understand where your money comes from.  



Grandma still is very careful about some things, politics is the example I will use, because even though her business has been closed for over a decade it is what she is known for.



Someone asked about putting a "vote for x" sign in the window of the closed business.  She never picked sides when she was in business and she won't pick sides now.  She won't put a sign from each side in the window either.  She had a business selling Y and that is what she focused on.  She helped people where she could, but she examines things so that she is not seen by others as showing favoritism.  Well, unless you are a grandkid and then grandma is grandma.  



And if you think saying the wrong thing is a problem, try dating someone and having them run you through the mud.




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Social media doesn't create problems, it can just magnify or mitigate them.



Was there a thread about what happened to the member you mentioned?
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Just because you don't have a social media account doesn't mean you can't be affected by it. Your customers, co workers, friends probably use social media. We had a board member who had his business hurt by online posters when they found out he supported gun rights.









Just because you don't gossip doesn't mean you can't be affected by it.



Social media doesn't create problems, it can just magnify or mitigate them.



Was there a thread about what happened to the member you mentioned?


It was years back so I don't remember the exact details. He ran an online business that catered to a more liberal customer base. When someone found out his support for gun rights they started using social media to get people to stop shopping there.







 
Link Posted: 4/7/2015 6:31:06 PM EDT
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You can't change what a person thinks about you.  You can only live a good life and do the right thing.
Link Posted: 4/7/2015 6:57:06 PM EDT
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huh, I retired, started a business and have a happy family, it never even occurred to me until reading this post that I should give a shit about what any one think of me
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So having 6 months of savings and food and guns and ammo forts in your earthsheltered bunker is great. But what happens when you accidentally become a social pariah, a 'most hated man on earth' for untold legions of on-line people who suddenly hate you? What defense can you muster?

I think we live in an age where the only defense against a media onslaught is to have a sufficiently widespread network of genuine friends on which to call for support including several different pro-bono law firms or charities that take cases such as the Homeschool Legal defense association or others that will send lawyers in to challenge state action or help counter the slick PR campaigns of others.

The individual simply has no money or talent to effectively defend himself or his family from a physical mob much less a social one.


Are you being sarcastic?



I'm pretty sure that once having 6 months worth of food and ammo is important, "online" will be a luxery that doesn't exist.(because all the cats riding roomba's will have been eaten)

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So having 6 months of savings and food and guns and ammo forts in your earthsheltered bunker is great. But what happens when you accidentally become a social pariah, a 'most hated man on earth' for untold legions of on-line people who suddenly hate you? What defense can you muster?

I think we live in an age where the only defense against a media onslaught is to have a sufficiently widespread network of genuine friends on which to call for support including several different pro-bono law firms or charities that take cases such as the Homeschool Legal defense association or others that will send lawyers in to challenge state action or help counter the slick PR campaigns of others.

The individual simply has no money or talent to effectively defend himself or his family from a physical mob much less a social one.
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Think they hate you now? Just wait till the third or fourth day they are without food and they try to raid your stash and you shoot them. Then they will really fucking hate you.
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Lmao ...ya gonna do that at the end of each post?  I hear it works LOL

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Link Posted: 4/8/2015 5:25:27 AM EDT
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Just be a good person and think an extra second before posting anything online. We say stupid things all the time, at least I know I do, but then again I'm only human and dont take myself too seriosuly so I joke  around with my kids, wife, friends. But then again words go away but whats posted online stays forever. You have to be even more cautious than when talking with someone FTF. Also, irony is lost online many times, you cant see the other persons body language, voice tone, etc, so its harder to crack jokes.
As for haters and such, sure, there's that, but what can you do about it? Just keep on doing your thing, live your life.
By the way, talking about haters, I just love this video, check it out:





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Link Posted: 4/8/2015 11:29:27 AM EDT
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I'm only on one cup of coffee, OP, so I'm not sure I'm getting you.  Are you talking about "surviving" being shunned by members of online communities or that social media should be monitored to see what people are saying about you?  Or something else?

As others have said, even if you "aren't on Facebook," disinformation can be spread about you and whip up enough public sentiment to pose a danger.  George Zimmerman is an excellent example of this.  Someone tries to rob you, you shoot them, it makes the news.  You're not online so you don't think about it.  Meanwhile, his family is posting everywhere, commenting on news stories, influencing bloggers and social media types to paint you in a certain light.  That is a danger.  But it seems like a limited, low-likelihood scenario.

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Attention whoring on ARF.com is still attention whoring.
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The pop culture is changing rapidly - enough that what was a harmless joke 5 years ago can get one fired on the spot today. Enough that clapping is now considered (as of the past 10 days) an 'aggression' that can get someone in trouble in college. Not knowing the ever changing zone of what is politically correct and what is a fireable offense is becoming a growing danger for alot of people.

Say your 8 year old boy tells an off color joke that is overheard by a neighbor. Suddenly Child Protective Services are involved. You are branded a 'hater' on social media. Your boss calls you in for a talking to....within 24 hours something that would have been ignored 5 years ago is suddenly a BIG DEAL and adults are demanding you apologize on behalf of your kid for.....a joke. And they're not joking. They are SJWs willing to destroy you financially if not physically and they thrive on grievances.....

Now, I agree that most problems can be avoided with a bit of OPSEC and prudence and self control. But lots of people have innocently stumbled into a mob both online and a physical one.

Being emailed death threats is often the first inkling that you have annoyed or angered someone by an opinion of yours. What do you do when an otherwise perfectly respectable opinion as of 3 weeks ago now is an "outrage" and people will stay up nights looking for a way to destroy you and yours?

Like I said, people are going to need networks of friends who include pro-bono law firms and lobbies who can back you up if the PC mob is fired up over something you said or what your kid might have said.

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http://soopermexican.com/2015/03/24/citing-triggering-concerns-feminist-convention-bans-clapping-replaces-with-jazz-hands/
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The pop culture is changing rapidly - enough that what was a harmless joke 5 years ago can get one fired on the spot today. Enough that clapping is now considered (as of the past 10 days) an 'aggression' that can get someone in trouble in college. Not knowing the ever changing zone of what is politically correct and what is a fireable offense is becoming a growing danger for alot of people.

Say your 8 year old boy tells an off color joke that is overheard by a neighbor. Suddenly Child Protective Services are involved. You are branded a 'hater' on social media. Your boss calls you in for a talking to....within 24 hours something that would have been ignored 5 years ago is suddenly a BIG DEAL and adults are demanding you apologize on behalf of your kid for.....a joke. And they're not joking. They are SJWs willing to destroy you financially if not physically and they thrive on grievances.....

Now, I agree that most problems can be avoided with a bit of OPSEC and prudence and self control. But lots of people have innocently stumbled into a mob both online and a physical one.

Being emailed death threats is often the first inkling that you have annoyed or angered someone by an opinion of yours. What do you do when an otherwise perfectly respectable opinion as of 3 weeks ago now is an "outrage" and people will stay up nights looking for a way to destroy you and yours?

Like I said, people are going to need networks of friends who include pro-bono law firms and lobbies who can back you up if the PC mob is fired up over something you said or what your kid might have said.

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Seriously. It's like you live in a paranoid alternate reality. PR is just not that important. You're not that important. I don't mean that to hurt your feelings, but just that you're not likely to attract negative attention that will boil over and threaten your actual safety. Email addresses are disposable.

Has anyone ever suggested that you talk to a professional about your feelings?
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Like I said, people are going to need networks of friends who include pro-bono law firms and lobbies who can back you up if the PC mob is fired up over something you said or what your kid might have said.
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Like I said, people are going to need networks of friends who include pro-bono law firms and lobbies who can back you up if the PC mob is fired up over something you said or what your kid might have said.


it won't help.

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/21/2218254/sendgrid-fires-employee-after-firestorm-over-inappropriate-jokes
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/02/22/2354251/inside-the-business-of-online-reputation-spin
https://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/2wlx4r/adria_richards_i_question_why_a_man_losing_his/

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/feb/21/internet-shaming-lindsey-stone-jon-ronson

“I am a nobody,” Hank said. “Just a guy with a family and a job – a middle-America-type guy.”

Hank wasn’t his real name. He’d managed to keep that aspect of himself a secret. He was talking to me via a Google Hangout from his kitchen in a suburban house in an American town. He looked frail, fidgety.

On 17 March 2013, Hank was in the audience at a conference for tech developers in Santa Clara, California, when a stupid joke popped into his head, which he murmured to his friend, Alex.

“What was the joke?” I asked.

“It was so bad I don’t remember the exact words,” he said. “It was about a fictitious piece of hardware that has a really big dongle – a ridiculous dongle. We were giggling about that. It wasn’t even conversation-level volume.”

A few moments earlier, Hank and Alex had been giggling over some other tech in-joke about “forking someone’s repo”. “We’d decided it was a new form of flattery,” Hank explained. “A guy had been on stage presenting his new project, and Alex said, ‘I would fork that guy’s repo.’” (In tech jargon, to “fork” means to take a copy of another person’s software so you can work on it independently. Another word for software is “repository”. Just in case you wanted to know.)


Moments after making the dongle joke, Hank half-noticed the woman sitting in front of them stand up, turn around and take a photograph. Ten minutes later, a conference organiser came down the aisle and said to Hank and Alex, “Can you come with me?” They were taken into an office and told there’d been a complaint about sexual comments.

“I immediately apologised,” Hank said. “I knew exactly what they were talking about. I told them what we’d said, and that we didn’t mean for it to come across as a sexual comment, and that we were sorry if someone overheard and was offended. They were like, ‘OK. I see what happened.’”

And that was that. The incident passed. Hank and Alex were shaken up – “We’re nerdy guys, and confrontation isn’t something we handle well” – so they decided to leave the conference early. They were on their way to the airport when they started to wonder exactly how someone had conveyed the complaint to the conference organisers. The nightmarish possibility was that it had been communicated in the form of a public tweet. And so, with apprehension, they had a look.

They found a tweet from a woman, called Adria Richards, with a photo of them: “Not cool. Jokes about forking repo’s in a sexual way and ‘big’ dongles. Right behind me #pycon”.

Anxious, Hank quickly scanned her replies, but there was nothing much – just the odd congratulation from a few of her 9,209 followers for the way she’d “educated” the men behind her. He noticed ruefully that a few days earlier Adria Richards had herself tweeted a stupid penis joke. She’d suggested to a friend that he should put socks down his pants to bewilder security agents at the airport. Hank relaxed a little.

A day later, Hank was called into his boss’s office and fired.

“I packed up all my stuff in a box,” Hank said, “then I went outside to call my wife. I’m not one to shed tears but…” Hank paused. “When I got in the car with my wife, I just… I’ve got three kids. Getting fired was terrifying.”




That night, Hank made his only public statement. He posted a short message on the discussion board Hacker News: “Hi, I’m the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I’d like to say I’m sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. [But] as a result of the picture she took I was let go from my job today. Which sucks because I have three kids and I really liked that job. She gave me no warning, she smiled while she snapped the pic and sealed my fate.”

***

Ten months later, I was sitting opposite Adria Richards in a cafe at San Francisco airport. She seemed introverted and delicate, just the way Hank had come across over Google Hangout. She told me about the moment she overheard the comment about the big dongle. “Have you ever had an altercation at school and you could feel the hairs rise up on your back?” she asked me.

“You felt fear?” I asked.

“Danger,” she said. “Clearly my body was telling me, ‘You are unsafe.’”

Which was why, she said, even though she’d never before complained about sexual harassment, she “slowly stood up, rotated from my hips, and took three photos”. She tweeted one, “with a very brief summary of what they said. Then I sent another tweet describing my location. Right? And then the third tweet was the [conference’s] code of conduct.”

“You talked about danger,” I said. “What were you imagining might…?”

“Have you ever heard that thing, men are afraid that women will laugh at them and women are afraid that men will kill them?” she replied. “So. Yeah.”


I told Adria that people might consider that an overblown thing to say. She had, after all, been at a tech conference with 2,000 bystanders.

“Sure,” she replied. “And those people would probably be white and they would probably be male.”

“Somebody getting fired is pretty bad,” I said. “I know you didn’t call for him to be fired, but you must have felt pretty bad.”

“Not too bad,” she said. She thought more and shook her head decisively. “He’s a white male. I’m a black Jewish female. He was saying things that could be inferred as offensive to me, sitting in front of him. I do have empathy for him, but it only goes so far. If he had Down’s syndrome and he accidently pushed someone off a subway, that would be different… I’ve seen things where people are like, ‘Adria didn’t know what she was doing by tweeting it.’ Yes, I did.”


On the evening Hank posted his statement on Hacker News, outsiders began to involve themselves in his and Adria’s story. Hank started to receive messages of support, and then insults, from men’s rights bloggers. He didn’t respond to any of them. At the same time, Adria discovered she was getting discussed on a famous meeting place for trolls: 4chan/b/. “A father of three is out of a job because a silly joke he was telling a friend was overheard by someone with more power than sense. Let’s crucify this cunt.” “Kill her.” “Cut out her uterus with an xacto knife.”

Someone sent Adria a photograph of a beheaded woman with tape over her mouth. Adria’s face was superimposed on to the bodies of porn actors. Next, her employer’s website went down. Someone launched a DDoS attack, which overwhelms a site’s servers with repeated requests. SendGrid, her employer, was told the attacks would stop if she was fired. Within hours, she was fired.

‘‘SendGrid threw me under the bus,” she later emailed me. “I felt betrayed. I felt abandoned. I felt ashamed. I felt rejected. I felt alone.’’

The death threats and rape threats and racist insults continued even after she was fired.

“Things got very bad for her,” Hank told me. “She had to disappear for six months. Her entire life was being evaluated by the internet. It was not a good situation for her at all.”

“Have you met her since?” I asked him.

“No,” he replied.

Ten months had passed since the day Adria took that photograph, so I asked what he thought of her now. “I think that nobody deserves what she went through,” he replied.

“Maybe it was [Hank] who started all of this,” Adria told me in the cafe at San Francisco airport. “No one would have known he got fired until he complained... Maybe he’s to blame for complaining that he got fired. Maybe he secretly seeded the hate groups. Right?”

I was so taken aback by this suggestion that at the time I didn’t say anything in defence of Hank. But later I felt bad that I hadn’t stuck up for him. So I emailed Adria. I told her what he had told me – how he’d refused to engage with any of the bloggers or trolls who sent him messages of support. I added that I felt Hank was within his rights to post the message on Hacker News, revealing he’d been fired.

Adria replied that she was happy to hear that Hank “wasn’t active in driving their interests to mount the raid attack”, but that she held him responsible for it anyway. It was “his own actions that resulted in his own firing, yet he framed it in a way to blame me… If I had a spouse and two kids to support, I certainly would not be telling ‘jokes’ like he was doing at a conference. Oh, but wait, I have compassion, empathy, morals and ethics to guide my daily life choices. I often wonder how people like Hank make it through life seemingly unaware of how ‘the other’ lives in the same world he does, but with countless fewer opportunities.”

I asked Hank if he found himself behaving differently since the incident. Had it altered how he lived his life? “I distance myself from female developers a little bit now,” he replied. “I’m not as friendly. There’s humour, but it’s very mundane. You just don’t know. I can’t afford another Donglegate.”

“Give me an example,” I said. “So you’re in your new workplace [Hank was offered another job right away] and you’re talking to a female developer. In what way do you act differently towards her?’

“Well,” Hank said, “we don’t have any female developers at the place I’m working at now. So.”

“You’ve got a new job now, right?” I said to Adria.

“No,” she said.

Later, I saw another photograph Adria happened to take that day at the conference. It was an audience shot. A sea of men – practically only men – stretching to the horizon.



Link Posted: 4/11/2015 10:33:47 AM EDT
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I remember that Donglegate story and it's a great example. It's also how I learned the term "tech evangelist". I remember thinking at the time that must be a quota job for people not qualified for real work.



 
Link Posted: 4/11/2015 1:12:07 PM EDT
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With all the examples given and with the OP's follow up, this is painted as a Zero Win situation.  If you can't win, and it's going to happen, and your life is going to be ruined by professional trolls, why even bother caring?
Link Posted: 4/11/2015 2:10:04 PM EDT
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With all the examples given and with the OP's follow up, this is painted as a Zero Win situation.  If you can't win, and it's going to happen, and your life is going to be ruined by professional trolls, why even bother caring?
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Think of it being a glass half full, instead of half empty.


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Think of it being a glass half full, instead of half empty.


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With all the examples given and with the OP's follow up, this is painted as a Zero Win situation.  If you can't win, and it's going to happen, and your life is going to be ruined by professional trolls, why even bother caring?




Think of it being a glass half full, instead of half empty.




This glass isn't even on my plate.  For some though, they've already lost and given up before being served the glass.
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Unless your in middle-highschool and are involved in teenage drama or are going around outwardly voicing controversial opinions to the masses this isn't something the average person even needs to worry about.
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