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Posted: 9/16/2014 12:09:19 AM EDT
I read in a magazine a few years back about how the contractors in IraqAstan amor a standard ford F250. Got me thinking, I've got a couple F250s I got for 1,000$ at goverment surplus auctions, why not build armor around one?
Anyways: pics or ideas of how to best do it? |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 12:12:34 AM EDT
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How much scratch do you have to put toward it?
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Posted: 9/16/2014 12:16:10 AM EDT
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seems like the easiest would be a plate exoskeleton.
Welded beams to the frame to support. Think overall it would be significantly more trouble than it was worth. Id rather spend cash on body armor |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 12:41:46 AM EDT
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In all honestly I thought it just sounds like a fun project and the plus side is it may be useful in a riot situation.
My thought is: build a 5/8" steel plate box in the bed with a V shape in the rear to deflect bullets, suround the cab with steel, fold down window shields, skirt the tires, steel mud flaps. Run flat tires, maybe. I know I can't even afford the steel, but wundering if it's been done? How about pics of the contractor trucks I'm talking about? |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 1:16:49 AM EDT
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In all honestly I thought it just sounds like a fun project and the plus side is it may be useful in a riot situation. My thought is: build a 5/8" steel plate box in the bed with a V shape in the rear to deflect bullets, suround the cab with steel, fold down window shields, skirt the tires, steel mud flaps. Run flat tires, maybe. I know I can't even afford the steel, but wundering if it's been done? How about pics of the contractor trucks I'm talking about? Yep, I can see that now running around on the streets of Ferguson MO, during the riots! 
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Posted: 9/16/2014 1:38:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2014 6:40:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:32:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI was wondering how long until killdozer showed up. 
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:36:10 AM EDT
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just search for mexican cartells armor
I would bolt not weld, ymmv |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:12:21 AM EDT
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Armor plating is not cheap. It's also really heavy so shipping/delivery would be expensive also.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:26:27 AM EDT
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The thing to be mindful of is weight. Even a F250 will hit its limit quickly. Those tacticals / armored trucks on TV are heavy and planned service life is usually ~1yr.
Trucks are designed to carry their excess weight in the rear only. Front suspension has little margin for extra weight. I would made a ballistic shield for the radiator and windshield, the rear of the cab, and door sides. Then use surplus military run flat tires. Wear body armour when driving. This should get you most of the way there. 80/20 principal. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:33:48 AM EDT
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Probably be cheaper and easier buying an out of service apc like the British ferret and drive that around when you need to. There are plenty of guys who do and several military vehicle clubs you could join(coming from a guy who is restoring two ferrets for car and air shows). Get on steel soldiers and look around awhile.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 12:14:12 PM EDT
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The pre-WWII White Scout Car (M3) was basically an armored White truck (a commercial truck, not a pick up) that carried a reconnaisance squad (it wasn't a cargo truck).
It wasn't much armor in the sense that it was 'bullet proof' against .30 ball, but not .30 AP or .50. My boss has one in his WWII vehicle collection - driving it is like driving a 1930s truck. They weren't really front line reconnaissance vehicles for very long. I think that a F250 is too small to do anything but 'uparmor' with kevlar. Something like an F-450 or F-59 stripped chassis would be a good starting point for a custom build. The problem is that vehicles like the F-350 through the 650 and chassis cab models (and their GMC / Chevrolet counterparts) put the driver up high behind a big engine on a tall chassis. And the 4x4 White was 79" tall with out any sort of lift kit. Any lifted modern 4x4 is going to be taller. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 12:42:04 PM EDT
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 2:10:15 PM EDT
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The pre-WWII White Scout Car (M3) was basically an armored White truck (a commercial truck, not a pick up) that carried a reconnaisance squad (it wasn't a cargo truck). It wasn't much armor in the sense that it was 'bullet proof' against .30 ball, but not .30 AP or .50. My boss has one in his WWII vehicle collection - driving it is like driving a 1930s truck. They weren't really front line reconnaissance vehicles for very long. I think that a F250 is too small to do anything but 'uparmor' with kevlar. Something like an F-450 or F-59 stripped chassis would be a good starting point for a custom build. The problem is that vehicles like the F-350 through the 650 and chassis cab models (and their GMC / Chevrolet counterparts) put the driver up high behind a big engine on a tall chassis. And the 4x4 White was 79" tall with out any sort of lift kit. Any lifted modern 4x4 is going to be taller. I like the Kevlar idea, It would also be easy to put some plate at the front of the bed near the cab to offer protection from the rear. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 2:19:48 PM EDT
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I'm likeing these.
http://usopenborders.com/2012/01/drug-cartels-in-mexico-used-mad-max-vehicles-to-protect-their-drugs/ |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 2:57:31 PM EDT
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Pick up the steel and tools needed to complete the conversion and then just keep them on hand. No need to complete the build at this time.
Watch a few episodes of the original A-Team and you'll see that a couple of guys can build a full armored vehicle in less than 45 minutes while the bad guys are on the way to the fight.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 3:07:31 PM EDT
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Teh armor gig gets stupid quickly.
Yea the kill dozer was bullet proof, but it was a one way trip for the driver... If I see some ijiut driving about in a cartel technical around here, then I would help the local sheriff F**K up the technical Just sayin |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 3:18:47 PM EDT
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. In a recent GD thread about LE use of MRAPS, one of our LEO members said his department used to have an old cash delivery truck, and a 12 ga slug penetrated both sides of it during a shootout. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 6:27:05 PM EDT
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. I would do this. Apparently the mex cartels have had some success with it, but I don't think they have a manual on how-to. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 6:49:02 PM EDT
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https://www.google.com/images?q=ford+truck+pics+from+iraq&hl=en&tbm=isch&oq=&gs_l=
First row is how convoy security teams I saw set there Ford 250 and 350 up. I used standard Suburban 2500 all over Baghdad. Speed is the key and not stopping when the bad guys want you to. Plus if you hit a IED your probably dead no matter what anyway and I like being able to shoot back. The unmodified trucks hardly ever broke down but the armored ones had issues. If I did add armor state side it would be 3a vest inserts in the doors. Light and wont damage anything while giving some protection. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:38:43 PM EDT
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. This, and then fit a gattling gun in the back and you are ready for the end of the world... 
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:15:29 PM EDT
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What about this stuff? Peel and stick armor? Saw it a while back, I would imagine it could be cut to cover the inside of a door of a vehicle.
http://www.hardwirellc.com/solutions/school/door.htm |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:51:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:28:35 PM EDT
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I have a bunch of Kejo ballistic blankets i could use to protect against non rifle rounds.
they are kind of old though, like 7 years old or so. not sure if i wanna bog down any vehicle with the added weight from steel plating. I dont own a turbo diesel truck. i suppose it would be easy enough to pick some spots to harden on a car, like the head rest and seat and the doors proper maybe. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:54:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pick up the steel and tools needed to complete the conversion and then just keep them on hand. No need to complete the build at this time. Watch a few episodes of the original A-Team and you'll see that a couple of guys can build a full armored vehicle in less than 45 minutes while the bad guys are on the way to the fight.   |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:53:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:11:32 PM EDT
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Just buy a bank truck.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARMORED-TRUCK-/111460354668?forcerrptr=true&hash=item19f38e0a6c&item=111460354668&pt=Military_Vehicles or focus on occupant protection and perhaps a plate or two of ar500 in front of the radiator, with a nice ranch hand bumper. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:17:10 PM EDT
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Just buy a bank truck. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARMORED-TRUCK-/111460354668?forcerrptr=true&hash=item19f38e0a6c&item=111460354668&pt=Military_Vehicles or focus on occupant protection and perhaps a plate or two of ar500 in front of the radiator, with a nice ranch hand bumper. Most of those don't stop much at all. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:39:11 PM EDT
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Here is a cool truck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhIhZM0lA8Q @ 1:15 they shoot it with a AK, with 2 guys inside... |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 1:22:46 PM EDT
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Probably be cheaper and easier buying an out of service apc like the British ferret and drive that around when you need to. There are plenty of guys who do and several military vehicle clubs you could join(coming from a guy who is restoring two ferrets for car and air shows). Get on steel soldiers and look around awhile. This or a surplus Shorland Armored car would be easier and more cost effective IMHO. I've seen nice Shorelands go cheap. Plus you could drive it in 4th of July parades and throw candy to the kids or something. ;) |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a recent GD thread about LE use of MRAPS, one of our LEO members said his department used to have an old cash delivery truck, and a 12 ga slug penetrated both sides of it during a shootout. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. In a recent GD thread about LE use of MRAPS, one of our LEO members said his department used to have an old cash delivery truck, and a 12 ga slug penetrated both sides of it during a shootout. Aluminum armor at best.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 3:19:41 PM EDT
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Why reinvent the wheel, just seek out an older one .......
http://www.mvpa.org Look here --> http://www.mvpa.org/publications/classifieds/
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:33:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhere'd you find these pictures? I'd love to find some more pictures of that last pair of trucks. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:20:13 PM EDT
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Where'd you find these pictures? I'd love to find some more pictures of that last pair of trucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Where'd you find these pictures? I'd love to find some more pictures of that last pair of trucks. Googles. haha 
Cant find them. 
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Posted: 9/19/2014 5:18:21 AM EDT
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Bulletproofme.com used to sell kevlar by the square foot in I believe custom shapes. They may still do so.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:56:00 PM EDT
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Googles. haha https://milinme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/qaf-3411-copie.jpg?w=620 https://milinme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/qaf-3412-copie.jpg?w=620 Cant find them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where'd you find these pictures? I'd love to find some more pictures of that last pair of trucks. Googles. haha https://milinme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/qaf-3411-copie.jpg?w=620 https://milinme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/qaf-3412-copie.jpg?w=620 Cant find them. What'd you search for? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:02:42 PM EDT
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Where'd you find these pictures? I'd love to find some more pictures of that last pair of trucks. Googles. haha https://milinme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/qaf-3411-copie.jpg?w=620 https://milinme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/qaf-3412-copie.jpg?w=620 Cant find them. What'd you search for? dunno. gun truck armored truck iraq 2500 all that. randomly |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:13:21 PM EDT
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Did some wotk on the JLTV.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:39:55 PM EDT
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I used to manage a maintenance shop for an armored car company . We used to own our own factory . I pretty much know them in and out . I sent someone on here who was building a bunker a gun port . glass is expensive and has a life span , The sun delaminates glass over time . Weight is an issue our trucks weighted about 17,000 pounds empty on a 26,000 pound chassis . Our armored Econolines weighted 9500 pounds on a 9800 chassis , the vans went through front end parts like crazy. Our truck were sold used to a dealer in New Mexico who sold used armored cars . I would buy a 97-99 Ford F-650 with a Cummins and an Allison . or if you go smaller get an F ford Chassis . The E van sucks to work on . The GM products are a joke . International is a great truck but most of ours had hydraulic brakes . You want air brakes on a 26000 truck instead of hydraulic disc . The air is a lot cheaper to maintain. An international with air brakes and a DT engine would be awesome as well .
Now the part people care about all of them are pistol proof . The vans are not rifle proof except glass . and some parts of the rest of the body . The Kevlar paneled versions are a joke. The big trucks are mainly rifle proof except a few areas . The trucks are not full of concrete and do not have run flat tires . In my 10 years we had exactly one shot tire and it was a side effect of a shoot out |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:30:39 PM EDT
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The thing I remember about the trucks my company had in Iraq besides the armor and gun turrets were how the emergency equipment was set up.
Every truck had a heavy duty bumper. Wrapped around the bumper was a tow strap already attached to the frame and ready to go if a vehicle went down. At least one full size spare tire was kept on the vehicle in a spot that was easier to get to then the under bed mount on most trucks. The stock jacks were thrown away and a heavy duty high lift floor jack was carried along with a four way lug wrench. All this was to make a tire change as fast as possible. PSD teams practiced tire changes like nascar pit crews, but with 360 security. Every truck had an extensive medical kit including a backboard strapped to the exterior. Multiple fire extinguishers were carried both inside the vehicle and mounted externally. Additionally diesel trucks were used whenever possible since they were harder to set on fire then gasoline. These mods seem more realistic and easier then armor. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:34:29 AM EDT
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. A good percentage of the armored cars in service today are not actually armored due to the cost. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:26:26 AM EDT
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Once you get over about 3000 pounds it really starts effecting the performance of a gas Superduty, rides fantastic though, the diesels could probably handle a little more, the snowplow front suspension option is gonna be a big plus.
Personally, I wouldn't try for mine resistant, or even all that big of rifle, nor would I try armoring every point, I'd try to keep speed and agility, keep the weight minimal and down low. Maybe 1/4" AR plate in the doors course it's going to kill the hinges much quicker, build a headache rack that goes to the bed floor using the same or 3/8", make some kinda guard to protect the radiator, which will be huge since it goes from the bottom of the bumper to within inches of the hood, and needs to not kill air flow too much. Drop the seats down to get as much of you as possible behind the door plates and motor. Probably try to shield the fuel tank some too, since unexpectedly purging all your fuel will cause some issues. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:54:59 AM EDT
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In a recent GD thread about LE use of MRAPS, one of our LEO members said his department used to have an old cash delivery truck, and a 12 ga slug penetrated both sides of it during a shootout. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. In a recent GD thread about LE use of MRAPS, one of our LEO members said his department used to have an old cash delivery truck, and a 12 ga slug penetrated both sides of it during a shootout. Most 'armored cars" doing bank runs are in fact nit armored Its a shell game to keep the observer guessing which ones have any additional protection As for OP, not sure what up-armored options you're thinking of. heavy duty suspensions, special glass, Kevlar linings inside panels, fire suppression systems in the engine compartment might be a starting place for you if you really want to emulate up-armored vehicles used by contractors overseas |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:16:51 PM EDT
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Most 'armored cars" doing bank runs are in fact nit armored Its a shell game to keep the observer guessing which ones have any additional protection As for OP, not sure what up-armored options you're thinking of. heavy duty suspensions, special glass, Kevlar linings inside panels, fire suppression systems in the engine compartment might be a starting place for you if you really want to emulate up-armored vehicles used by contractors overseas Quote HistoryQuoted:
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. In a recent GD thread about LE use of MRAPS, one of our LEO members said his department used to have an old cash delivery truck, and a 12 ga slug penetrated both sides of it during a shootout. Most 'armored cars" doing bank runs are in fact nit armored Its a shell game to keep the observer guessing which ones have any additional protection As for OP, not sure what up-armored options you're thinking of. heavy duty suspensions, special glass, Kevlar linings inside panels, fire suppression systems in the engine compartment might be a starting place for you if you really want to emulate up-armored vehicles used by contractors overseas 100% of our armored cars hauling money are in fact armored . I will admit I have never heard that line before. I have seen what the 4 major companies use as armored cars . They are armored unless you are talking .50 bmg and RPG level . I have seen a little independent company hauling cash in a rented window van but that would be the exception and not the rule.. Almost all robberies we had in 10 years were handguns. so a shotgun or rifle would be a rare event |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:30:52 PM EDT
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100% of our armored cars hauling money are in fact armored . I will admit I have never heard that line before. I have seen what the 4 major companies use as armored cars . They are armored unless you are talking .50 bmg and RPG level . I have seen a little independent company hauling cash in a rented window van but that would be the exception and not the rule.. Almost all robberies we had in 10 years were handguns. so a shotgun or rifle would be a rare event Quote HistoryQuoted:
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. In a recent GD thread about LE use of MRAPS, one of our LEO members said his department used to have an old cash delivery truck, and a 12 ga slug penetrated both sides of it during a shootout. Most 'armored cars" doing bank runs are in fact nit armored Its a shell game to keep the observer guessing which ones have any additional protection As for OP, not sure what up-armored options you're thinking of. heavy duty suspensions, special glass, Kevlar linings inside panels, fire suppression systems in the engine compartment might be a starting place for you if you really want to emulate up-armored vehicles used by contractors overseas 100% of our armored cars hauling money are in fact armored . I will admit I have never heard that line before. I have seen what the 4 major companies use as armored cars . They are armored unless you are talking .50 bmg and RPG level . I have seen a little independent company hauling cash in a rented window van but that would be the exception and not the rule.. Almost all robberies we had in 10 years were handguns. so a shotgun or rifle would be a rare event Did you work for AT Systems? I worked for them for 2 years, quit a little bit after it became Garda. All our cars were armored. I was told the roofs were pretty light duty though. I really doubt there are armored car companies that have a bunch of "unarmored" cars in the fleet and 1 or 2 that are. When you are running loads around, you don't want to be like "can't send that car, it doesn't have enough armor!" |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:45:56 PM EDT
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Seems like an armored vehicle would do double duty and make a great Faraday Cage.
Just add extra copper screening to any openings and use one of those conductive strap flaps that hang from the bottom of trucks to ground it. Think of everything you could store and keep in your back yard. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 9:26:38 AM EDT
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Did you work for AT Systems? I worked for them for 2 years, quit a little bit after it became Garda. All our cars were armored. I was told the roofs were pretty light duty though. I really doubt there are armored car companies that have a bunch of "unarmored" cars in the fleet and 1 or 2 that are. When you are running loads around, you don't want to be like "can't send that car, it doesn't have enough armor!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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go on ebay and buy an old bank truck or converted van. In a recent GD thread about LE use of MRAPS, one of our LEO members said his department used to have an old cash delivery truck, and a 12 ga slug penetrated both sides of it during a shootout. Most 'armored cars" doing bank runs are in fact nit armored Its a shell game to keep the observer guessing which ones have any additional protection As for OP, not sure what up-armored options you're thinking of. heavy duty suspensions, special glass, Kevlar linings inside panels, fire suppression systems in the engine compartment might be a starting place for you if you really want to emulate up-armored vehicles used by contractors overseas 100% of our armored cars hauling money are in fact armored . I will admit I have never heard that line before. I have seen what the 4 major companies use as armored cars . They are armored unless you are talking .50 bmg and RPG level . I have seen a little independent company hauling cash in a rented window van but that would be the exception and not the rule.. Almost all robberies we had in 10 years were handguns. so a shotgun or rifle would be a rare event Did you work for AT Systems? I worked for them for 2 years, quit a little bit after it became Garda. All our cars were armored. I was told the roofs were pretty light duty though. I really doubt there are armored car companies that have a bunch of "unarmored" cars in the fleet and 1 or 2 that are. When you are running loads around, you don't want to be like "can't send that car, it doesn't have enough armor!" Yes I did over 10 years between the 2 companies . There were some weak points to be sure . but the armored cars they built were tested (shot at) They also had a strong enough internal frame that they would support themselves when rolled over with minimal damage . I had the chance to deal with 5 different manufacturers of armored cars . |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:12:48 PM EDT
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The thing I remember about the trucks my company had in Iraq besides the armor and gun turrets were how the emergency equipment was set up. Every truck had a heavy duty bumper. Wrapped around the bumper was a tow strap already attached to the frame and ready to go if a vehicle went down. At least one full size spare tire was kept on the vehicle in a spot that was easier to get to then the under bed mount on most trucks. The stock jacks were thrown away and a heavy duty high lift floor jack was carried along with a four way lug wrench. All this was to make a tire change as fast as possible. PSD teams practiced tire changes like nascar pit crews, but with 360 security. Every truck had an extensive medical kit including a backboard strapped to the exterior. Multiple fire extinguishers were carried both inside the vehicle and mounted externally. Additionally diesel trucks were used whenever possible since they were harder to set on fire then gasoline. These mods seem more realistic and easier then armor. I think this is some of the best advice so far. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 4:23:09 PM EDT
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We had a truck rollover. I wasn't there, but they pulled it back over and drove it to the mechanic shop. No issues but maybe a tie rod replaced. It was an older truck, 2086 I think.
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Posted: 9/23/2014 5:49:06 PM EDT
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The emergency equipment post is good advice.
Concentrate on making the trucks run no matter what they run over, through or into. Bumpers, skid pans, fuel tanks, etc. If you are running two or more vehicles make sure they are set up the same on everything. Placement of emergency gear, placement of down vehicle strap, radios, etc. Maybe add some armor in vital areas like the doors, fire wall area and rear of the cab later. If your planning on running these as a BOV go low vis as possible on everything. |
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