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Awesome. Thanks for posting this; it is directly related to my current baffled, vented, plumbed enclosure build! I'd love to use a pair of my NATO fuel cans in parallel rather than my current BERGS setup, as it would allow for 10gallons, 100 hours of run time on a single generator, rather than my current ~70 hour BERGS setup.
Was the priming bulb necessary for your setup? I have not spec'd one into my current fuel configuration; I was assuming that the fuel pump would pull fuel through the fuel line, as it does with the BERGS setup... |
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This setup looks great, thanks for the post. One big question I have is the fuel line being submerged. I was working on a marine gas tank and had to replace the fuel line inside the tank. I used what looks like the same type of fuel line you are showing and the gas ate up the exterior of the fuel line turning the gas black. I know the inside "flow" part of the gas line is fine, I am just questioning the exterior of the gas line that is sitting in the gas. I ended up having to put a more ridged plastic gas tube for inside the tank. Let me know your thoughts.
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Awesome. Thanks for posting this; it is directly related to my current baffled, vented, plumbed enclosure build! I'd love to use a pair of my NATO fuel cans in parallel rather than my current BERGS setup, as it would allow for 10gallons, 100 hours of run time on a single generator, rather than my current ~70 hour BERGS setup. Was the priming bulb necessary for your setup? I have not spec'd one into my current fuel configuration; I was assuming that the fuel pump would pull fuel through the fuel line, as it does with the BERGS setup... View Quote I added it because it seemed like a good idea to get the fuel flowing but I don't know if it's required. The line is air tight and it would probably work fine without it. My only concern might be with the height of the lift required for the fuel. The highest point at the top of the arc of the fuel line as it comes out of the can is almost two feet off the ground. |
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This setup looks great, thanks for the post. One big question I have is the fuel line being submerged. I was working on a marine gas tank and had to replace the fuel line inside the tank. I used what looks like the same type of fuel line you are showing and the gas ate up the exterior of the fuel line turning the gas black. I know the inside "flow" part of the gas line is fine, I am just questioning the exterior of the gas line that is sitting in the gas. I ended up having to put a more ridged plastic gas tube for inside the tank. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks View Quote Thanks for taking the time to post this. I only have about 20 hours running with this and have no idea if what you describe is going to become a problem. Nothing seems to have degraded yet ( the white writing on the outside of the line is still perfectly legible) but I'll keep an eye on it from now on. Any chance you have a link to the ridge tube you ended up using? Has it held up? |
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I ended up going to a Mercury dealer and he had a used one in the back of his shop. I went to an automotive shop and got the black gas tube "that looks like yours" and that is what I used as the first replacement that turned the gas black and made the tube feel like rubber and very slick. The gas was obviously degrading the tube. Now the outboard I had it hooked up to was a two stroke that I added oil in with the gas maybe causing the tube to be slippery and slick, but I do think it was the gas that was eating up the tube. Just be aware and maybe do an experiment with a section of that type of tube sitting in some gas for a period of time and see what happens. I like your concept and hope I am wrong with your gas line as I would also like to do the same setup. I just don't know if that type of gas line is meant to be submerged.
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Go to your local NAPA parts store. Ask for fuel line designed to be submerged in fuel tank. Common among fuel injected vehicles with in tank fuel pumps.
6 months from now normal hose will be dissolved Edited here is what you want. Napa sells the SAE 30R10 submersible fuel hose. The SAE number is the clue. |
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I ended up going to a Mercury dealer and he had a used one in the back of his shop. I went to an automotive shop and got the black gas tube "that looks like yours" and that is what I used as the first replacement that turned the gas black and made the tube feel like rubber and very slick. The gas was obviously degrading the tube. Now the outboard I had it hooked up to was a two stroke that I added oil in with the gas maybe causing the tube to be slippery and slick, but I do think it was the gas that was eating up the tube. Just be aware and maybe do an experiment with a section of that type of tube sitting in some gas for a period of time and see what happens. I like your concept and hope I am wrong with your gas line as I would also like to do the same setup. I just don't know if that type of gas line is meant to be submerged. View Quote I’m far more interested in doing this right then doing it cheap so if I end up having to replace the fuel line with something better I’m not opposed to that at all. I gave it a good look this morning after reading your original post and the portion that was submerged is indistinguishable from the rest of the line. Of course, 20 hours probably isn’t much of a test. Leaving a portion in a jar full of gas is probably the only way to be sure so I’ll see what I can do about that. Thanks again for the reply. |
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Here is a known good online source for in tank hose. They also offer a corrugated no kink hose for less money.
The SAE is $20/foot http://autoperformanceengineering.com/html/kits.html |
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Here is a known good online source for in tank hose. They also offer a corrugated no kink hose for less money. The SAE is $20/foot http://autoperformanceengineering.com/html/kits.html View Quote Thanks for the reply. I don't think I'm going to need anything that nice. Real fuel line like that is designed to deal with a pressurized system, right? All I need is a fuel pickup line, there's no pressure involved. Hopefully there's something out there that isn't quite that expensive. |
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It is not so much the pressure as it is the make up of the materials of the hose.
They do offer a much cheaper option with the corrugated hose but it is only 14 inches long. |
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Thanks for the reply. I don't think I'm going to need anything that nice. Real fuel line like that is designed to deal with a pressurized system, right? All I need is a fuel pickup line, there's no pressure involved. Hopefully there's something out there that isn't quite that expensive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here is a known good online source for in tank hose. They also offer a corrugated no kink hose for less money. The SAE is $20/foot http://autoperformanceengineering.com/html/kits.html Thanks for the reply. I don't think I'm going to need anything that nice. Real fuel line like that is designed to deal with a pressurized system, right? All I need is a fuel pickup line, there's no pressure involved. Hopefully there's something out there that isn't quite that expensive. Regular fuel rated hose from any auto place or cheaper off ebay will do fine up to maybe 10 psi. |
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Regular fuel rated hose from any auto place or cheaper off ebay will do fine up to maybe 10 psi. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here is a known good online source for in tank hose. They also offer a corrugated no kink hose for less money. The SAE is $20/foot http://autoperformanceengineering.com/html/kits.html Thanks for the reply. I don't think I'm going to need anything that nice. Real fuel line like that is designed to deal with a pressurized system, right? All I need is a fuel pickup line, there's no pressure involved. Hopefully there's something out there that isn't quite that expensive. Regular fuel rated hose from any auto place or cheaper off ebay will do fine up to maybe 10 psi. Regular fuel rated hose will not work in a submerged type of application. It will dissolve the outer jacket. Sucking that crap into a carburetor will lead to a terminal failure. Hoses are made with different layers. To save cost the outside jacket of a normal fuel rated hose is not made of the same material as the inside. Yes it can stand having some fuel on the outside as in some spilled on it but where it can evaporate. Submerged in constant contact with fuel will dissolve the jacket. Why risk damaging and losing use of something as important as a generator over something less than $100. |
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It is not so much the pressure as it is the make up of the materials of the hose. They do offer a much cheaper option with the corrugated hose but it is only 14 inches long. View Quote Thanks again for the reply. I mean real fuel lines are built like they are to deal with the stresses of a pressurized system. Wouldn't something like this work? http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-Clear-Vinyl-Fuel/dp/B000UKM4GI This isn't multilayer fuel line but I don't think it needs to be. |
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Thanks again for the reply. I mean real fuel lines are built like they are to deal with the stresses of a pressurized system. Wouldn't something like this work? http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-Clear-Vinyl-Fuel/dp/B000UKM4GI This isn't multilayer fuel line but I don't think it needs to be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It is not so much the pressure as it is the make up of the materials of the hose. They do offer a much cheaper option with the corrugated hose but it is only 14 inches long. Thanks again for the reply. I mean real fuel lines are built like they are to deal with the stresses of a pressurized system. Wouldn't something like this work? http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-Clear-Vinyl-Fuel/dp/B000UKM4GI This isn't multilayer fuel line but I don't think it needs to be. In your application that might work. Now I will put two kinks in it. Depends on how much ethanol you gas contains. E10 it should work E85 NO WAY Second kink is a kink. That hose tends to kink easy just becareful when you install it. I don't think it will loop across the narrow width of the can. Try it and see. |
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In your application that might work. Now I will put two kinks in it. Depends on how much ethanol you gas contains. E10 it should work E85 NO WAY Second kink is a kink. That hose tends to kink easy just becareful when you install it. I don't think it will loop across the narrow width of the can. Try it and see. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It is not so much the pressure as it is the make up of the materials of the hose. They do offer a much cheaper option with the corrugated hose but it is only 14 inches long. Thanks again for the reply. I mean real fuel lines are built like they are to deal with the stresses of a pressurized system. Wouldn't something like this work? http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-Clear-Vinyl-Fuel/dp/B000UKM4GI This isn't multilayer fuel line but I don't think it needs to be. In your application that might work. Now I will put two kinks in it. Depends on how much ethanol you gas contains. E10 it should work E85 NO WAY Second kink is a kink. That hose tends to kink easy just becareful when you install it. I don't think it will loop across the narrow width of the can. Try it and see. It says any type of fuel but I'll look around and see what else is out there. I'm not worried about this kinking, I'd only need to change the part that's actually in the can. That's just a more or less straight drop into the can. Thanks for the help. |
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Thanks for the writeup OP. Anyone know an alternate source for the fuel cap that fits on the generator? Amazon says they're out... |
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Thanks for the writeup OP. Anyone know an alternate source for the fuel cap that fits on the generator? Amazon says they're out... View Quote They're on EBay. If this link doesn't work google "eu2000i extended run fuel cap" and it should come up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/150946859975?lpid=82 |
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Thanks Beo. I appreciate the time and effort it took you to put this together.
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Quoted: The US Army uses a tripod stand for the Scepter MFC's that turns them into gravity-fed fuel tanks for tent heaters. I'd imagine it could be used for other equipment like generators pretty easily. http://www.armyproperty.com/Equipment-Info/Pictures/Space-Heater-Arctic.jpg View Quote |
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Yep, I've got a couple dozen of the MFC adaptors to run the fuel lines. describe please? thanks ar-jedi It's in the picture I posted, it's not easy to see though. It's a standard Scepter MFC cap, but it's got a port for a hose. It's been ten years since I used one, but they're pretty cool. They're gravity fed, IIRC. |
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Just a thought, $122 in parts from the list, plus the price of a quality 5 gal can.
$120 will buy this. |
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Just a thought, $122 in parts from the list, plus the price of a quality 5 gal can. $120 will buy this. View Quote I think you can probably put this together for a bit less if you shop around. I didn't look for best price, I just provided the links to show what I used. As well, you don't need 25 feet of fuel line. If you buy the Bergs you still need to store you're supply of gas in something, right? I really like the NATO cans for this and a lot of folks on this site seem to agree. As I mentioned in my OP I also like the idea of minimizing transferring fuel between containers. |
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