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Posted: 12/1/2010 12:31:01 AM
me and the wife were just talking about using a bike as a BOV.. now we just have to learn to ride one..
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Posted: 12/1/2010 12:48:32 AM
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that is exactly what my bike looks like. what year is yours?


2007. The 08s were out, but I wanted an 07 with proven history, versus the new style.

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Posted: 12/1/2010 12:49:42 AM
Interesting thread. I am wondering if those who have bikes as BOV have it setup to possibly pull a small trailer?? I have thought that this would be a pretty good idea. Any thoughts from the Pros?
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Posted: 12/1/2010 2:53:48 AM
I have a KLR as posted on page one . But am very interested in getting a Rokon.



Between the side car( 600lb load capacity) , and the trailer(600 load capacity). 4.5 gallon of gas or water per Wheel on the bike and 2.4 gallon on the sidecar wheel. Plus all the other accessories from a PTO generator to the farming implements. It's not the fastest bike in the world but getting there is more important then getting there fast.
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Posted: 12/1/2010 2:59:24 AM
I have a KLR too, it's good a a lot of things but I don't know about as a bug out vehicle-for one reason only: It doesn't have good acceleration at freeway speeds.

When you ride a KLR solo on the freeway you can mix it up in rush hour traffic fine. you can zip in and out of 75-80mph traffic with ease and it will top out around 105. Putting a tall windscreen knocks 5-7mph off the top speed, and saddle bags make it even worse-but the real problem is that acceleration with all that drag really suffers. There are a lot of cars on the freeway that can out accelerate a KLR650 without hanging all your bug out gear on it. Things are going to be hectic enough in a bug out as is, you'd make a nice target for someone to just pull up along side you and bump you off the road and take your shit.

If you plan to travel freeways or cover ground I'd go for a Kawasaki Versys or Suzuki V-Strom. The displacement is the same but having twice the cylinders makes a HELL of a lot of difference on power.

Now, that said, a KLR would be a pretty good bike to have AFTER SHTF. You can cover long distances quickly and get good fuel economy and as motorcycles go the KLR is pretty quiet. But if sneaking around and running as cheap on gas as possible is important to you, you'd be much better served with an old 50-110cc Honda trail bike or a bicycle.
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Posted: 12/1/2010 9:16:12 PM
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what bags do you have on the bike on the right?


that is one hell of a sig!!!!!


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THE ULITMATE BUG OUT BIKE. Still trying to figure out how to side mount the jerry cans


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Posted: 12/2/2010 8:53:39 PM
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that is exactly what my bike looks like. what year is yours?


2007. The 08s were out, but I wanted an 07 with proven history, versus the new style.



mines an 07 also...
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Posted: 12/2/2010 8:58:41 PM
Mine.....


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Posted: 12/2/2010 10:21:13 PM
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who has a bike as a bov? i just bought a klr650 and i'm in the process of setting it up for adventure touring. i figured a bov bike and an at bike would be set up about the same. if you got em lets see em...


if you just got a KLR, you should dig up the KLR 650 thread we had here a few months ago.

but, at any rate, for KLR specific stuff head over to www.KLR650.net for all the tech info on what needs work on this bike. ot has a few weak points from the factoory.

i havre a heavily modified KLR 650 and also a modified 250 that i'm fininishing up some work on. sorry, no pics handy.


do you remember the exact name of the thread?


KLR 650 something-something.

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Posted: 12/2/2010 10:27:17 PM
Originally Posted By Booge:
Interesting thread. I am wondering if those who have bikes as BOV have it setup to possibly pull a small trailer?? I have thought that this would be a pretty good idea. Any thoughts from the Pros?


i've sen some people who have trailers, but it's a SMALL percentage of the MC community who uses them, and most of those people are the full dress cruiser or Gold Wing people. they're not very common in the Dual Sport arena.

some are homebrew, some are commercial.

i'm not very interested in trilers om motorcycles. trailers on mountain bikes, like the BOB trailer seem interesting, but i'm no longer in an area where i ride a bike every day. if i was still in Kali i'd probably have a BOB trailer.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 10:34:59 PM
Originally Posted By Booge:
Interesting thread. I am wondering if those who have bikes as BOV have it setup to possibly pull a small trailer?? I have thought that this would be a pretty good idea. Any thoughts from the Pros?


i've sen some people who have trailers, but it's a SMALL percentage of the MC community who uses them, and most of those people are the full dress cruiser or Gold Wing people. they're not very common in the Dual Sport arena.

some are homebrew, some are commercial.

i'm not very interested in trilers om motorcycles. trailers on mountain bikes, like the BOB trailer seem interesting, but i'm no longer in an area where i ride a bike every day. if i was still in Kali i'd probably have a BOB trailer.

consider that roughly 2% of the motorcycle community rides Dual Sport. bikes.
my wild guess is that one tenth of one percent of that market uses trailers.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:14:59 PM
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I have a KLR as posted on page one . But am very interested in getting a Rokon.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/mic68/1999-rokon-ranger-hl.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/mic68/ROKONBobTrailer.jpg

Between the side car( 600lb load capacity) , and the trailer(600 load capacity). 4.5 gallon of gas or water per Wheel on the bike and 2.4 gallon on the sidecar wheel. Plus all the other accessories from a PTO generator to the farming implements. It's not the fastest bike in the world but getting there is more important then getting there fast.


About 6 years ago I did a LOT or research on ROKONs. There are a fascinating bike indeed. They are no more powerful than a lawn mower. And the due to the low horsepower the are not build all that robustly. I rode one on the road and off the road. It really felt like I was riding a lawn tractor on two wheels. The bottom line is there was no way I could justify $6,000 on a cool lawn mower. And at 6 hp the implements are a joke. The think could barley get out of its own way with just me on it. A 125cc Dual Sport is WAY more capable than a ROKON.

If they were $800 i might consider one.

And let me tell you I REALLY wanted to like this bike. After riding it the dream was gone.


That fat tire dual sport that TJ has is the correct answer to any perceived ROKON application.



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Posted: 12/3/2010 2:11:49 AM
I have an 08 KLR650. I would not want to bug out on one due to the low cargo capacity. I would use one for scouting/patrol/messenger vehicle transportation during a BO scenario. I would also use it as an escape/evasion vehicle due to it being able to go where a car/truck/street bike couldn't follow. Sure the dirt bikes/quads could outrun it easily offroad but the KLR has them beat on the street.
I once heard the KLR referred to as the 2 wheeled equivalent of a jeep CJ/Wrangler any of the specialized vehicles can easily beat it on their own turf but for a jack of all trades it is hard to beat.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 2:46:50 AM
scout, patrol, explore, errands, messenger, and caravan scout on a narrow track to see if heavier / bigger, trailer-hauling vehicles can make a section.

I look forward to owning one.

I'd thought I had the other topic bookmarked but it seems I was just plucking pictures out of it. That was 5th-10th of Nov, along with following a link to the KLR forums
http://www.klr650.net/forums/index.php
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Posted: 12/3/2010 8:13:15 AM
Originally Posted By snowmonkey:
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Originally Posted By snowmonkey:
who has a bike as a bov? i just bought a klr650 and i'm in the process of setting it up for adventure touring. i figured a bov bike and an at bike would be set up about the same. if you got em lets see em...


if you just got a KLR, you should dig up the KLR 650 thread we had here a few months ago.

but, at any rate, for KLR specific stuff head over to www.KLR650.net for all the tech info on what needs work on this bike. ot has a few weak points from the factoory.

i havre a heavily modified KLR 650 and also a modified 250 that i'm fininishing up some work on. sorry, no pics handy.


do you remember the exact name of the thread?


http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=639714&page=1
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Posted: 12/3/2010 8:16:17 AM
Originally Posted By Booge:
Interesting thread. I am wondering if those who have bikes as BOV have it setup to possibly pull a small trailer?? I have thought that this would be a pretty good idea. Any thoughts from the Pros?


I have though often about this as well.

Wouldn't require anything heavy, just needs to be as wide as your bars, carry 100 lbs and have some ground clearance.

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Posted: 12/3/2010 10:22:26 AM
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...Sure the dirt bikes/quads could outrun it easily offroad but the KLR has them beat on the street...

Are you sure about that? I would think that it would be about even.

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The little street trail is a TW200. That back tire is wide enough to go slow enough to trail ride with ATVs. The seat is low enough to flat foot it and the weight low enough you can haul that butt around from laying it down all day. Its basically a 55 mph machine on the road but then if I can cruise down an interstate at 80 mph, I won't be bugging out on a bike. I'll be hauling the bike and if my 4x4 is stopped and I have to take to the bike, it will be one of the fastest machines on the road.

Cruising the interstate, that's the Vulcan cruiser. With its foot pegs and Mustang touring seat, it can cruise with me kicked back like in an easy chair at 80mph plus all day long,

Our basic BO ideal concept is convoy which the TW would be a part initially in haul mode and as a contingency.

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Posted: 12/3/2010 10:46:35 AM
I think an older (1960-80) dual sport is the way to go. Something with knobby tires, a kickstart peg, old school magneto ignition, and no fuel injection.

A lot of these new fangled bikes being posted will be just as useless as cars in certain SHTF scenarios. Repairing a CDI ignition system or water logged ECU is not something I want to deal with out in No Man's Land.
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Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
I think an older (1960-80) dual sport is the way to go. Something with knobby tires, a kickstart peg, old school magneto ignition, and no fuel injection.

A lot of these new fangled bikes being posted will be just as useless as cars in certain SHTF scenarios. Repairing a CDI ignition system or water logged ECU is not something I want to deal with out in No Man's Land.


Its a matter of odds and some deem trying to repair a 30 year old bike a little higher than a new one failing.

Also having had three street trails in the 1970's, I can tell you that your butt ability on those is about half the newer bikes, about 60 miles and your back/butt has had it.

Me, 1973 F7



Yes, I've been in the street trail scene for a few decades.

I loved that F7, it was way more offroad than these newer bikes but then these newer ones blow it away on road.

What I can tell you guys is if you do indeed go offroad seriously not just running an established road or trail, you WILL dump that bike A LOT. Especially climbing a steep incline, the ability to grab the rear of that bike and pull it around with one hand, becomes very critical. Weight is very important. A gravel road I can drive my full cruiser on with no problems. A path filled with logs and mud holes is another world.

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Posted: 12/3/2010 1:04:43 PM
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...Sure the dirt bikes/quads could outrun it easily offroad but the KLR has them beat on the street...

Are you sure about that? I would think that it would be about even.


You do have a valid point but not many quads can hit 90+. I have a 2005 Kawi Brute Force 650 and it is scary over 50mph. I am sure many dirt bikes can hit 90 but unless you are running street tires I can't imagine them being all that stable at higher speeds. I commute on my KLR and cruise around 70mph. Yeah, I am sure a lot of dirt bikers could pass me easily but riders of a comparable skill level I would have to hand it to the guy on the KLR.

Now if you include the super-motards.....
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Posted: 12/3/2010 1:21:55 PM
This is a great thread.

I so want a a motorcycle now.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 8:57:53 PM
I have been moving some heavier trailers with my jeep, still just messing around with 4k lbs trailer and load with a jeep rated to tow 7400 lbs by the factory and I have the factory towing setup and jeep is all stock.

When messing around on unimproved roads, gravel or dirt or whatever, that load can really try to move the jeep around some. Mostly it comes from driving a bit faster than conditions might warrant but have trailer brakes so you can let the load slow you down vs. no trailer brakes and all that weight is pushing the jeep will get interesting now and then.

I seriously doubt I would pull a trailer with a motorcycle or mountain bike. That trailer messing with your fewer contact patches is not a good thing and when something runs out in front of you from the woods you might be going an acceptable speed for road conditions but stopping quickly may or may not let the trailer push you around.

I also doubt a lot of motorcycles will do well at low speeds with high loads depending on if they are air cooled or not.

Just figured I would let some people consider that with the trailer on motorcycle concept.

I never came close to wrecking or damaging anything but it really makes me reconsider some of the folks who do serious off roading with some of the military surplus trailers and it made me toss the idea of getting a cheap trailer for the mountain bike just because I might run across it.

For some it may be a viable option. Not going to say someone should not do it.

I just think it is something to consider when a motorcycle does not have 4 contact patches so if the trailer messes with pushing you it could result in a wreck a lot quicker than with a 4 wheeled vehicle.

My uncle had a 400 2 cycle polaris and one heck of a heavy duty "garden cart trailer" thing and that trailer went over and took him with it. Not all that steep a slope but that trailer is heavy as all get out and when it wanted to go over it took him with it.

I have the trailer and use it with my 500 polaris and it is still a stout trailer but I use it around the yard on flat ground mostly.

Anyway, I would seriously consider trying out your trailers and vehicles fully loaded for a bug out and see how it goes.

Easy to turn a bug out into a shtf if you wreck and get hurt.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:03:07 PM
Originally Posted By GaryM:You do have a valid point but not many quads can hit 90+.


You missunderstood me, I was defending the KLR off-road. I would think the KLR could beat a quad off-road and be close behind a dirt bike. I also think a dirt bike could be close behind a KLR on-road but they would both leave a quad way behind. I have been thinking about a KLR that is already set up with a nice rack and set of aluminum side cases.

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