No actually its quite the oppisite. I roll with more drugs than pzifer, pretty literally. Just off the top of my head I keep mostly all the major meds that have been covered, along with a bunch of 40 mil of  I.V. Cipro, streptomyocin, Bactrim Zithromax in case those havent been mentioned. xylocaine, lidocaine, lidoderm, topical lidocane

a bunch of atropine in bristas, a bunch of epi the same way, ADH/VP, amio, mag sulfate, k iodine, anzemet, and then all the standards as well, albuterol, O2, and I dk a ton of others, some for pain as well.

The big difference I guess is that besides the fact that I am legally allowed to administer these meds, and I know how to use use them and teach others how to do the same, the ones i use were courtesy of the NDPC and/or FEMA the MRC/OEM the Hospital or Dept of health. Or one of I guess a billion other agencies that all fall under the massive umbrella of MCI response teams.

The theory being that when you consider the fact that weaponized anthrax is some pretty funky stuff, those who are tasked with being around to help administer the correct drugs from the POD for say some horrible NBCi such as widespread anthrax release, probably will feel more comfortable responding to the call if they have the drugs already on hand to keep them alive so that they can be effective in carrying out their duties.


You guys are basically only talking about PO (oral administration) medications correct? and doing this during a time of crisis, while alone with no medical direction and often with no idea if you may happen to have an allergy to any one of these meds....

So while I absolutely agree that everyone should have access to their own stores of certain meds, why should I be any different than anyone else facing the same issues? many of which you are suggesting and I would have no problem if they were widely available to everyone, the idea of going about it in the way that most of you are is concerning because of the very real risks that are associated with some of these meds, not to mention the fact that you arent even going off label or out of country for them, Your going outside your species  which is well, not great if you can somehow get them from a Doc which imo isn't all that difficult if you are willing to spend a few hundred bucks.

How cheap is your life worth to you??

Bump for the recent talk on meds in SF

And we're off!

The usual, where to buy (off shore pharmacies two locked again) how long do drugs last (two of those) etc.
Figure bumping to the top may help a few of the newer people.

If ordering from ADC.. how do you know the pills were properly stored? Still effective and not old stock?

same as everything else - either you trust the best-by date or you don't

I was talking more about the quality of the drugs, made in india... storage in india, regardless of date stamp.. ect.. Just curious if anyone had feedback on using this companies drugs.

I turst the dates on stuff I get from say.. walgreens. But the ADC stuff seems an unknown.. hate to trust Indian made & stored drugs if other possiblities exist.

You are going to die eventually, don't fear it or it will consume you. Welcome it, cuz when it comes it will free you. But to keep yourself from breathing dirt prematurely, ciproflaxin, moxifloxacin, vancomycin.

Yeah, ppl like like me will die if we get penicillin or any of its derivatives.

I hope this is sarcasm.

First, how would you diagnose tb? Can't be bloody sputum as pneumonia and even viral bronchitis can cause bloody sputum! You'd use all your tb supplies on people with tb and probably kill a couple with the therapy.

And if you need amph b and can't get to a critical care setting, may as well make peace with your maker.

http://www.qualityprescriptiondrugs.com/pricedetail.aspx?drugname=Azithromycin&affiliate=1174

 

So making fraudulent statements in an attempt to get prescribed drugs (and possibly also committing insurance fraud if you use it to get the discount) is a good idea as opposed to buying some legal over the counter meds that are exact same thing?

yeah....you'll pardon my not taking any of your posts seriously ever again.

how strong is Lidocaine 5% Ointment ? how much of a effect will it have?

Comprehensive Guide to Wilderness - Travel Medicine.pdf

Zantac.



The acid reflux med. it also suppresses anaphylaxis.

Meh.... its OK... works well for topical numbing before a tattoo or similar, but does not trully deaden... just takes the edge off. Not really going to do much for you, as you cannot put that into a large wound.

a friend who is a nurse anesthetist said he would get me some IV's and show my how to do them, along with a bunch of other supplies... i had a bunch of random suchers and he went threw them and told me most were non useful, and the ones that were, the needle he said was HUGE... so he is going to get me what i need, along with some dermabond

Reconsidering the listed shelf-life of prescription medications

anyplace with better shipping $$ other then ADC?

That is complete supposition on your part.



That being said, making plans to take a trip to a foreign country is not a crime.  Asking a doctor to write you a script is also not a crime provided you do not do so through fraud deceit or manipulation, which is.  
Regardless importing any perscription medication from a source outside teh united states is absolutley a crime, it is a criminal act as per both the FDA and DEA.
Possession of prescription medication  without a script is also a crime
defrauding any medical professional regardless of occupation in order to acquire perscription medication is illegal, that includes DVM's .
Finally there is the judged vs carried argument if you really feel you need to be serious about all this.
Im sure the QC for Swine IM  injectibles is absolutely top notch, compared to the stuff the FDA oversees.
Also sincerely hope you arent taking any of my posts seriously ever. nothing I say should ever be taken seriously or literally or ever be mistakingly construed as advice as any kind.
That being said, good luck with the Indian  manufactured Heffer meds.
 

 

What do you intend to use it for?





Again respectfully but your asking questions that have no andwer. how strong is  a 9mm, how much effect will it have? that's what your asking don't you see.  . what kind of effect will it have. well I know for a fact that it can be fatal, it can also ahve aabsolutely zero effect. define stronger? do you mean  more concentrated... yes but that is only transdermal,  how much surface are you going to cover, will it be correctly applied including  tagaderm .





again what is your predicted use? as a local? to numb an injection site, to stich a wound, to treat a neuraglia??





are you familiar with the contraindications of the med. the dosing information ? etc. like I said this drug can and has been fatal when used incorrectly.  by incorrectly I basically mean by people who don't even know what effects it will have.





 

I have no idea what ADC is but in an effort to be helpful, your spending about 400% to much money for a Zpack which is simple good old (Azithromycin) for the sole reason that is has gained popularity commercially and has become a boutique med if you will. im not gonna try to do homework ot help you potentially hurt yourself, but go look at what is in a zpack and the dosages and then buy that for pennies.








 

you can definitely teach yourself how to suture correctly if you wanted to put the time aside, closing up a wound is not especially difficult, doing it well however is an entirely different story.



that being said, if you don't want to take the time to learn and practice I would definitely recommend instead just carrying a bunch of dermabond if you have access or just superglue and a surgical stapler instead.

ADC = https://www.alldaychemist.com

 

Is there an oral Vanco?  I'm in healthcare, and most of our patients that are getting Vanco for MRSA are getting it in IV.  Z paks work great for most things, but expensive.  Stocking up on basics like amoxicillin or even tetracycline are cheap, and will help in a lot of cases.

Vancomycin is not absorbed when taken orally.  It's used in oral form sometimes to treat c diff enterocolitis specifically because it isn't absorbed, stays in the GI tract, and kills off the stuff inside the gut.



I fully understand the thought process behind stocking drugs for emergencies when doctors aren't available.  Not trying to pick on you specifically; vancomycin has been brought up a few times in this thread.  But your question is a good example of a non-obvious issue concerning the use of a prescription medication, and should give everyone pause when it comes to ordering these medications for their fish.

Vancomycin can range from useless if given orally, to dangerous if given the wrong way intravenously (ie Red Man Syndrome).  Be careful, be safe.  "Do no harm" should guide the medical efforts of non-doctors too.  

There are many other drugs with similar bits of dangerous weirdness that simply can't be deduced with intuition or casual exposure through working in healthcare.  I know the self-reliant crowd has a wide streak of skepticism when it comes to edumacated people telling them they don't know what they don't know ... but please be careful.

To add to the vancomycin discussion, lots of people think it is this magic bullet, that if it can work on MRSA, it must work on everything or will work better. DO NOT fall into this mindset. Use the right tool. Vancomycin is a specific tool that should be used for a specific problem. If you take it for the wrong thing, not only may it not work, but it can increase resistance. This is why Z-paks don't work well anymore. Don't take antibiotics for viruses. Don't take the wrong antibiotic. If you are stocking up antibiotics for in case of apocalypse, know what to use them for. If you're buying them to avoid going to the doctor now, that's really really dumb unless you know what you're doing, what you're treating, and what interactions might happen.



Resistance is a huge problem and it getting worse.  


 

i have had strep 3 times 1n the last 6 months... i figured i would stock up on zpacs to make it easier... am i wrong?

Most people who think they have "strep" have a viral pharyngitis.  It's next to impossible to convince them of that though ...

Azithromycin will treat strep throat if it's caused by strep.

As others have mentioned vanco is not used orally except for C diff GI infections. The only orally bioavailable antibiotic that has a similar spectrum to vancomycin is linezolid (Zyvox). It is VERY expensive and comes with it's own set of serious side effects.

If you are concerned about MRSA then either  SMZ-TMP  (Bactrim) or doxycycline will cover skin/soft tissue infections. Systemic MRSA (bacteremia) infections or complicated soft tissue infections are not something you treat at home.
If you want the full treatment recommendations then download the ISDA guidelines for MRSA

i was tested... my wife is a MA for cleveland clinic family med.. around sick kids all day... she is like typhoid marry ....

 

Strep is better treated with β-lactam based antibiotics  (penicillins and cephalosporins). The only benefit with azithromycin is once daily dosing.

Azithromycin is the best anti-viral medicine out there.......

Keflex is saddened to hear this.

Hope this is sarcasm?

<––––––- pulmonologist. Yes...sarcasm.

 

I remember I used to be able to purchase the entire test kit from Kodak, if your not gonna go to a doc its a silly diagnosis to be able to try to make on your own.








 

I almost facepalmed myself literally to death just now until I read your screen name








 

Discussions on off shore pharmacies tends to get threads locked. I hope we can avoid that here.

That was not my intention, it was meant to be rhetorical since almost all the off shore places with that much for sale are usually all scams.


I will edit  it.





 

I need to read through this and stock up.

Bump

I know I'm replying to an ancient post but as someone who just was on levofloaxcin for four days and had to stop due to severe side effects I will never take it or another quinolone again. It had a big warning about possible tendon rupture and tendonitis in the elderly and people also taking steroids. I'm a healthy 25 year old male and by day four got tendonitis so bad in my right ankle and my foot started to cramp up I could hardly walk or drive. Took my last dose sunday before discontinuing and just today I can start to walk normally. I'm really lucky I didn't rupture a tendon, my joints are still popping in my ankles and knees, and who knows how long I am at risk of tendon rupture since many people report tears and side effects months later. Also had some CNS side effects and bad restlessness/insomnia on it. Far from totally safe and side effect free.

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/levaquin/TV5SBN517R8BRN5K3

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/levaquin/TONDJE7VOA3H95IMO

they do, it's azithromycin

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