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Emergency heat period I would imagine. With enough you could probably keep your moat thawed.
With some modifications to the stated use, you could possibly have some sort of circulating hot water system or use it as a hot water heater for a shower/sink in a hunting/camping cabin. |
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Main use would be...it's designed use, hot water for washing self/dishes/clothes. I can't recall if it got the water up to boiling (no reason it shouldn't though) so you could even, theoretically, render water safe for drinking, though I really wouldn't want to due to the high chance of getting rust/POL into the water.
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I figured I could take a deep spot in the creek and heat it into a jaccuzzi....
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Main use would be...it's designed use, hot water for washing self/dishes/clothes. I can't recall if it got the water up to boiling (no reason it shouldn't though) so you could even, theoretically, render water safe for drinking, though I really wouldn't want to due to the high chance of getting rust/POL into the water. I don't think it will boil water, ging from memory, but it would get hot enough to wash dishes or clothes- I was figuring it was overkill for washing dishes for a hosuehold, but you may be on to something using it for washing clothes for a family. |
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Most water can be rendered safe to drink merely by pasteurizing it. It only needs to get to 65C or 150F.
You could float nalgenes in it for a couple of hours till they come up to that temp. Or you could get real fancy and use it as a hot water bath and heat potable water by running a series of coils through a tank of heated water. How much will they sell for shippped? It could be a slick answer to hot water at hunting camp! |
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I know they can get water hot enough to scald, I assume that's hot enough to pasteurize. They would probably be great for hunting camps...
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I know there has to be a good survival/farm related use for these, but I am racking my brain to come up with it. I have sold several to guys who use them to thaw and warm water tanks for livestock. One guy got one and was going to modify it to heat his garage burning waste motor oil, but I haven't seen him again to ask how well it worked. Stock tank heater is what I was thinking too. Might be a way to make a field-expedient chicken scalder if there's a way to regulate temperature to some extent and it'll heat to 160 degrees or so. I doubt the market would be very strong for that though. I might buy one for that purpose though, depending on price. |
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I've washed dishes using the water heated with those back in my guard days. If I remember right it'll get the water scaling hot.
Too many uses to list for heated water if the shtf. |
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I've washed dishes using the water heated with those back in my guard days. If I remember right it'll get the water scaling hot. Too many uses to list for heated water if the shtf. Hell, even a warm bath during shtf would be a welcome luxury you couldn't put a price on. |
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funny.......but I was going to post the exact same question.......
I don't have one, but have been trying to think what the heck you could use one for, as they are readily available... comon guys! We need some really good ideas!! |
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I'm thinking Stock tank as well.
So as not to turn this into a for sale thread or get it locked, Are you listing them on your website yet, or trying to gauge interest before getting a bunch? MIKE |
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I would think it would take a lot a fuel to heat up 30-40 gal of water in a trashcan/ barrel, but if you and your whole family were all bathing, washing the days dishes and maybe washing clothes a once it would probably be worth it. But then again it would be just as easy to have a couple metal 5gal buckets by the fireplace warming all the time (in winter that is)
Just some thoughts...... PTk |
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I would think it would take a lot a fuel to heat up 30-40 gal of water in a trashcan/ barrel, but if you and your whole family were all bathing, washing the days dishes and maybe washing clothes a once it would probably be worth it. But then again it would be just as easy to have a couple metal 5gal buckets by the fireplace warming all the time (in winter that is) Just some thoughts...... PTk According to the specs, it will use around 1-1.5 ounces of fuel a minute, so you can get 3-4 hours of burn from the 2.2 gallon tank. |
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Can you extinguish the flame easily when the water reaches the desired temp?
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I'm thinking Stock tank as well. So as not to turn this into a for sale thread or get it locked, Are you listing them on your website yet, or trying to gauge interest before getting a bunch? MIKE Guaging interest and more tha anything looking to see if they have some value. I only have the one sample now. From what I see here, it looks worthwhile, so I am going to get some. I will post them in the EE when I make the deal- possibly later tonight. |
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Can you extinguish the flame easily when the water reaches the desired temp? Yeah, the fuel flow can be adjusted or shut down with a knob. Here is the operators manual. http://www.tpub.com/content/heaters/TM-9-4540-202-12P/ Here is a pretty interesting document I found about how it was developed. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD665390&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf |
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The second document indicates that water can be brought to a boil. Very interesting.
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The old saw about a watched pot never boils never lit one of these puppies.
Nothing I have ever used brings water to a boil faster than an immersion heater. |
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well shame on me for beign the frog in the water - I didn't notice they were gone but I sure remember using them. Do I recall setting two up in a GP medium to heat the entire tent? does that sound right? there was soi much flow of air through the tent it was probably safe but hell we could have died from some CO2 poisoning. this was mid 80s.
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Most water can be rendered safe to drink merely by pasteurizing it. It only needs to get to 65C or 150F. 170* to kill most if no all bugs in the water. 150* would be a little low. |
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well shame on me for beign the frog in the water - I didn't notice they were gone but I sure remember using them. Do I recall setting two up in a GP medium to heat the entire tent? does that sound right? there was soi much flow of air through the tent it was probably safe but hell we could have died from some CO2 poisoning. this was mid 80s. I never saw them used in a tent, but I remember using them on KP and back when we had mess kits to sanitze them. I would guess you could run the pipe up through the stovepipe holes in th GP medium and run them safely. |
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Most water can be rendered safe to drink merely by pasteurizing it. It only needs to get to 65C or 150F. 170* to kill most if no all bugs in the water. 150* would be a little low. Got the info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Pasteurization_Indicator |
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First time I was in, we set these up to boil the cosmoline from our new M16A2's. Worked pretty well too!
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We used them to heat water for showering while on OPs in the Sinai Desert for the MFO in the mid 80's. Basically they were the same setup as in the picture, but were placed on the top of a plywood shower stall with plumbing from the lower side of the can down to the interior of the stall. The floor was simply a pallet covered with a rubber mat. I can’t remember if there was also a cold water supply to the shower or you had to wait until the water temperature was just at the right temp. for your shower.
They were also used to heat T-rations if I remember correctly. Also, I believe that the small amount of fuel went a long way. We used diesel, and I don't remember having to refill them too often for the 2 weeks we would be out on an OP. I guess if one has a primitive BOL, it could be put to good use there. |
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I am sure those of you who were in the Army before the mid 90's remenber these. For those who don't, these things were made to heat water for washing mess kits and mess utensils. The principle was simple, the unit was attached to a metal trash can, the can filled with water, the unit was lit and the gasoline burned, the exhaust went through the donut on the bottom, and it rose up the exhaust (there are additional exhaust pipes I didn't puton included). No moving parts, the gasoline just drips down on the plate, vaporizes, burns and the exhaust goes up the stack. Designed for gas, they will run on diesel, but it is harder to light and get going. I have had the best luck using a diesel gas mix. You have to follow the instructions closely when lighting!!! http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/tglance/immersion3.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/tglance/immersion2.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/tglance/immersion1.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/tglance/immersion.jpg I know there has to be a good survival/farm related use for these, but I am racking my brain to come up with it. I have sold several to guys who use them to thaw and warm water tanks for livestock. One guy got one and was going to modify it to heat his garage burning waste motor oil, but I haven't seen him again to ask how well it worked. If anybody can come up with good uses for these, let me know. I have a chance to buy a bunch, but need to come up with uses to market them. If anybody can come up with a use, you guys can- the survival forum here has the most diverse, innovative bunch anywhere on the net. I wouldn't use it to heat any drinking, bathing water or dish washing water. Mainly because the exhaust gases run through that donut, and if there is any leak, you will get exhaust gases and oil residue in your drinking water. I think I would set it up as a small water to water boiler system for emergencies. Take a coil of 25' of copper tubing and place it in the bottom of a garbage can. Hook a hose to each end of the copper tubing, and run it to your actual water heater in your home. You could just solder in a couple of "T" connections on top of your water heater and a valve on each one of the feed lines to your heater. That way you can shut it off and store the whole thing until needed. When needed, attach the hoses and open the values. The heater will heat a few gallons of water in your garbage can, and that hot water will heat the potable water in the copper tubing and put it into your water heater will it is actually usable and more convenient. It will thermosiphon and heat the water in your water heater. The other way I would use it, is instead of heating potable water, it would go into a heat core from a vehicle and I would place a fan behind it and heat my room, BOL, shack, or whatever. I would use a small electric water pump if I was doing this. Those heater cores do put out some good heat. Some bigger ones are around 35,000 btu's. Even a small radiator from a car would work with a fan blowing across it. Seriously, that is about the only two ways I would use it. When I was in, all I ever seen them used for was heating C-Rat cans and that was only a couple times. " target="_blank"> Red is the copper tubing Blue line is the water level in your garbage can Brown is the heater itself Dark blue is the water heater in your home Pink are the copper lines from the water heater to feed the home |
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We used diesel, and I don't remember having to refill them too often for the 2 weeks we would be out on an OP. Good to hear they worked well on diesel, that cinches the deal that I am going to keep a few for myself. I have them listed in the EE now for those interested. |
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While I was doing it, a lady walked by going to the hair salon next door and said she remembered growing up right after WWII and using one of these that her dad got surplus when the family did a lot of canning on the farm. I don't know anything about canning, maybe those of you who do can comment on that possible use. I'm sure it would work for canning. Probably not an ideal set-up as these heaters don't really have variable heating so you wouldn't be able to fine tune the boil. Probably need to fabricate some sort of rack to hold the jars off the heater though. Nice back up if you couldn't get propane or NG. |
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While I was doing it, a lady walked by going to the hair salon next door and said she remembered growing up right after WWII and using one of these that her dad got surplus when the family did a lot of canning on the farm. I don't know anything about canning, maybe those of you who do can comment on that possible use. I'm sure it would work for canning. Probably not an ideal set-up as these heaters don't really have variable heating so you wouldn't be able to fine tune the boil. Probably need to fabricate some sort of rack to hold the jars off the heater though. Nice back up if you couldn't get propane or NG. One thing I learned running it is that you get more control over the flame leavel and the amount of heating than I expected. You actually have two ways to adjust it, the knob ob the outlet valve, and adjusting the air vent also lets you fine tune the fuel flow. |
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noticed this on CL:
http://houston.craigslist.org/for/1491632492.html ...not sure of the "PLACE THIS HEATER IN A 55 GAL DRUM OF WATER IN THE CENTER OF A ROOM" part (or, for that matter, the rest of the ad's 'advise') |
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noticed this on CL: http://houston.craigslist.org/for/1491632492.html ...not sure of the "PLACE THIS HEATER IN A 55 GAL DRUM OF WATER IN THE CENTER OF A ROOM" part (or, for that matter, the rest of the ad's 'advise') Holy bad advice batman!!! It you have a stovepipe outlet in the roof you could hook it in, and a good CO monitor, and a nice fire extinguisher- maybe. But I wouldn't feel good about it. Outside, sure. In a tent like a GP medium or small with the exhaust up through the stovepipe jack, should work well. In a house????? I am toying with the idea of modifying one by welding on some heat sink material and a fan to blow over it, and see if that will heat a small shed when properly vented. I think with a squirrel cage blower moving enough air and a good enough surface area to transfer the heat it could work. I still have CO concerns however. |
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