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Posted: 1/5/2017 8:58:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Wtf guys! Post some snipa ryfulz! 
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Posted: 1/5/2017 12:57:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2017 9:55:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RadOP:
I know SF does still produce them for mil contracts with USMC but you are correct it's not readily available to the civilian market. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RadOP:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Working on NODs and an XM2010 right now. Not sure that you can even get the correct SF suppressor anymore? Originally Posted By RadOP:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
awesome Thanks. More: https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5574/30182777691_2e0a7eaf18_k.jpg Soooooo when's an XM3 being added? I know SF does still produce them for mil contracts with USMC but you are correct it's not readily available to the civilian market. The last time I was in Clyde Armory they had a SF 762SS |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 11:49:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HootieWho]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Can't remember if this was posted here or not: M40A7  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1KaKUkupEcI gotta ask. What gives with the speed safety-on right after bolt manipulation? 2:40 & 3:02. This screams out as a range habit that would seriously slow things up if a follow up shot were needed. No different that guys doing a speed re-holster, or throwing the safety back on a carbine while a target is still a threat and being assessed. Is this a new thing? |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 11:53:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'll bet that camo would be pretty effective in parts of the SE USA. |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 11:57:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HootieWho:
I gotta ask. What gives with the speed safety-on right after bolt manipulation? 2:40 & 3:02. This screams out as a range habit that would seriously slow things up if a follow up shot were needed. No different that guys doing a speed re-holster, or throwing the safety back on a carbine while a target is still a threat and being assessed. Is this a new thing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HootieWho:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Can't remember if this was posted here or not: M40A7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1KaKUkupEcI gotta ask. What gives with the speed safety-on right after bolt manipulation? 2:40 & 3:02. This screams out as a range habit that would seriously slow things up if a follow up shot were needed. No different that guys doing a speed re-holster, or throwing the safety back on a carbine while a target is still a threat and being assessed. Is this a new thing? It's a good habbit. Doesn't really slow anything down too much. I wasn't all that used to the pistol grip type stock on my AICS coupled with a really light trigger (my mk13). I've sent a few unintended rounds down range on accident closing the bolt with a live round in the prone position. I've since made it a habbit to immediately flip the safety on while I'm closing the bolt when im not shooting rapid fire...which is a little harder to do with a magnum. |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 12:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Divide the cost of PWS by the number of weapons made in that year and you have your cost. It's murkier with maintenance but considering all the maintenance on an AI or similar and most of the repairs are user level, it's still a lot cheaper to just buy good guns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
M40s are cheap. The gunsmithing and building is basically free to the Marine Corps 
And the actions last a long time. There are actions still used from the A1 days. Divide the cost of PWS by the number of weapons made in that year and you have your cost. It's murkier with maintenance but considering all the maintenance on an AI or similar and most of the repairs are user level, it's still a lot cheaper to just buy good guns. This. I've been through AI's LE Armorers Course. Just in that class they teach you damn near everything you could want to know to keep that rifle running. Not to mention the backwards compatibility of the system in robbing parts/bolts from other and more importantly older rifles. With the newer class of rifles you don't even need the barrel change tool kit to do a barrel swap. I have never understood why they don't buy an AIAXMC Mag, and that one receiver will cover anything they could possibly want. Not to mention, you will not see any to this fumbling with the bolt that you do with some of the Remington's in the videos posted here. The bolt on an AI is like butter. Is the USMC not using AI mags in some of the rifles anyhow?   Afghanistan Sniper Training - AW50 M24 XM2010 |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 12:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
It's a good habbit. Doesn't really slow anything down too much. I wasn't all that used to the pistol grip type stock on my AICS coupled with a really light trigger (my mk13). I've sent a few unintended rounds down range on accident closing the bolt with a live round in the prone position. I've since made it a habbit to immediately flip the safety on while I'm closing the bolt when im not shooting rapid fire...which is a little harder to do with a magnum. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By HootieWho:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Can't remember if this was posted here or not: M40A7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1KaKUkupEcI gotta ask. What gives with the speed safety-on right after bolt manipulation? 2:40 & 3:02. This screams out as a range habit that would seriously slow things up if a follow up shot were needed. No different that guys doing a speed re-holster, or throwing the safety back on a carbine while a target is still a threat and being assessed. Is this a new thing? It's a good habbit. Doesn't really slow anything down too much. I wasn't all that used to the pistol grip type stock on my AICS coupled with a really light trigger (my mk13). I've sent a few unintended rounds down range on accident closing the bolt with a live round in the prone position. I've since made it a habbit to immediately flip the safety on while I'm closing the bolt when im not shooting rapid fire...which is a little harder to do with a magnum. In your examples, did the rifle fire from light trigger/hard bolt closing or from the trigger being pressed? If I'm not mistaken, the Marine in that video had already closed the bolt before putting the safety on, which wouldn't prevent an AD from a light trigger/running the bolt like you just spent the week at RO. Not trying to be arguementative at all, just trying to wrap my head around it. I run my triggers on my AI's at the factory setting. I know how to properly adjust them, but I'm actually quite comfortable with their weight, which is ~ 3.5-4.5 lb if I remember correctly. I'd shot my AX338 out to +2000 yds and made hits on steel IDPA targets, so I don't personally feel the need to go real low. The Geisselle hi-speed DMR trigger is my benchmark in what I like. My AI's are close to that. I realize everyone is different, but I'm not sure I'd want a rifle I had to be delicate with closing the bolt with the safety off to avoid an AD. I know that is what you were issued and had no choice. I know it is the same for these Marines, and they have to fit their training to what is valid for them and their equipment. Just mainly curious if a year or two from now if I take a PR class will I have an instructor harping to run the safety after each and every shot; as if it was a fad or had actual reason. I appreciate your feedback very much. |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 12:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HootieWho:
In your examples, did the rifle fire from light trigger/hard bolt closing or from the trigger being pressed? If I'm not mistaken, the Marine in that video had already closed the bolt before putting the safety on, which wouldn't prevent an AD from a light trigger/running the bolt like you just spent the week at RO. Not trying to be arguementative at all, just trying to wrap my head around it. I run my triggers on my AI's at the factory setting. I know how to properly adjust them, but I'm actually quite comfortable with their weight, which is ~ 3.5-4.5 lb if I remember correctly. I'd shot my AX338 out to +2000 yds and made hits on steel IDPA targets, so I don't personally feel the need to go real low. The Geisselle hi-speed DMR trigger is my benchmark in what I like. My AI's are close to that. I realize everyone is different, but I'm not sure I'd want a rifle I had to be delicate with closing the bolt with the safety off to avoid an AD. I know that is what you were issued and had no choice. I know it is the same for these Marines, and they have to fit their training to what is valid for them and their equipment. Just mainly curious if a year or two from now if I take a PR class will I have an instructor harping to run the safety after each and every shot; as if it was a fad or had actual reason. I appreciate your feedback very much. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HootieWho:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By HootieWho:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Can't remember if this was posted here or not: M40A7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1KaKUkupEcI gotta ask. What gives with the speed safety-on right after bolt manipulation? 2:40 & 3:02. This screams out as a range habit that would seriously slow things up if a follow up shot were needed. No different that guys doing a speed re-holster, or throwing the safety back on a carbine while a target is still a threat and being assessed. Is this a new thing? It's a good habbit. Doesn't really slow anything down too much. I wasn't all that used to the pistol grip type stock on my AICS coupled with a really light trigger (my mk13). I've sent a few unintended rounds down range on accident closing the bolt with a live round in the prone position. I've since made it a habbit to immediately flip the safety on while I'm closing the bolt when im not shooting rapid fire...which is a little harder to do with a magnum. In your examples, did the rifle fire from light trigger/hard bolt closing or from the trigger being pressed? If I'm not mistaken, the Marine in that video had already closed the bolt before putting the safety on, which wouldn't prevent an AD from a light trigger/running the bolt like you just spent the week at RO. Not trying to be arguementative at all, just trying to wrap my head around it. I run my triggers on my AI's at the factory setting. I know how to properly adjust them, but I'm actually quite comfortable with their weight, which is ~ 3.5-4.5 lb if I remember correctly. I'd shot my AX338 out to +2000 yds and made hits on steel IDPA targets, so I don't personally feel the need to go real low. The Geisselle hi-speed DMR trigger is my benchmark in what I like. My AI's are close to that. I realize everyone is different, but I'm not sure I'd want a rifle I had to be delicate with closing the bolt with the safety off to avoid an AD. I know that is what you were issued and had no choice. I know it is the same for these Marines, and they have to fit their training to what is valid for them and their equipment. Just mainly curious if a year or two from now if I take a PR class will I have an instructor harping to run the safety after each and every shot; as if it was a fad or had actual reason. I appreciate your feedback very much. During transition from bolt to grip. Finger brushed the trigger and *bang* |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 1:42:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
During transition from bolt to grip. Finger brushed the trigger and *bang* Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By HootieWho:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By HootieWho:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Can't remember if this was posted here or not: M40A7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1KaKUkupEcI gotta ask. What gives with the speed safety-on right after bolt manipulation? 2:40 & 3:02. This screams out as a range habit that would seriously slow things up if a follow up shot were needed. No different that guys doing a speed re-holster, or throwing the safety back on a carbine while a target is still a threat and being assessed. Is this a new thing? It's a good habbit. Doesn't really slow anything down too much. I wasn't all that used to the pistol grip type stock on my AICS coupled with a really light trigger (my mk13). I've sent a few unintended rounds down range on accident closing the bolt with a live round in the prone position. I've since made it a habbit to immediately flip the safety on while I'm closing the bolt when im not shooting rapid fire...which is a little harder to do with a magnum. In your examples, did the rifle fire from light trigger/hard bolt closing or from the trigger being pressed? If I'm not mistaken, the Marine in that video had already closed the bolt before putting the safety on, which wouldn't prevent an AD from a light trigger/running the bolt like you just spent the week at RO. Not trying to be arguementative at all, just trying to wrap my head around it. I run my triggers on my AI's at the factory setting. I know how to properly adjust them, but I'm actually quite comfortable with their weight, which is ~ 3.5-4.5 lb if I remember correctly. I'd shot my AX338 out to +2000 yds and made hits on steel IDPA targets, so I don't personally feel the need to go real low. The Geisselle hi-speed DMR trigger is my benchmark in what I like. My AI's are close to that. I realize everyone is different, but I'm not sure I'd want a rifle I had to be delicate with closing the bolt with the safety off to avoid an AD. I know that is what you were issued and had no choice. I know it is the same for these Marines, and they have to fit their training to what is valid for them and their equipment. Just mainly curious if a year or two from now if I take a PR class will I have an instructor harping to run the safety after each and every shot; as if it was a fad or had actual reason. I appreciate your feedback very much. During transition from bolt to grip. Finger brushed the trigger and *bang* Gotcha. Thanks |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 2:32:52 PM EDT
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Are M24 adjustable triggers available or are they impossible to find?
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Posted: 1/6/2017 3:18:50 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
It's a good habbit. Doesn't really slow anything down too much. I wasn't all that used to the pistol grip type stock on my AICS coupled with a really light trigger (my mk13). I've sent a few unintended rounds down range on accident closing the bolt with a live round in the prone position. I've since made it a habbit to immediately flip the safety on while I'm closing the bolt when im not shooting rapid fire...which is a little harder to do with a magnum. Doesn't the issue Mk13 have a two stage trigger? |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 4:07:19 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Doesn't the issue Mk13 have a two stage trigger? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
It's a good habbit. Doesn't really slow anything down too much. I wasn't all that used to the pistol grip type stock on my AICS coupled with a really light trigger (my mk13). I've sent a few unintended rounds down range on accident closing the bolt with a live round in the prone position. I've since made it a habbit to immediately flip the safety on while I'm closing the bolt when im not shooting rapid fire...which is a little harder to do with a magnum. Doesn't the issue Mk13 have a two stage trigger? The Mk13 came into the Marines around the time I was getting out...and of course only to operators, so I've never handled one. I've only seen one, but it was an older mod and was with one of the Seal teams that visited out FOB. I wasn't sure what it was at the time. |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 5:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Are M24 adjustable triggers available or are they impossible to find? Yea, pretty much. |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 5:14:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/728/31898194342_f0ae9f6a51_b.jpg (Slow clap) Well done sir. That's my dream rifle right there |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 5:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Doesn't the issue Mk13 have a two stage trigger? Mod 0 (McMillan, MIRS, no suppressor, right handed action) - Standard Remington trigger Mod 1 (McMillan, MIRS, no suppressor, left handed action) - Standard Remington trigger Mod 2 (AICS, MARS, no suppressor, right handed action) - Standard Remington trigger Mod 3 (McMillan, MIRS, Mk11 suppressor, right handed action) - Standard Remington trigger Mod 5 (AICS, MARS, Mk11 suppressor, right handed action) - Standard Remington trigger Mod 7 (AICS, Surefire suppressor) - X-Treme Shooting Products 2-stage trigger SW370-BE-OPI-010 Rev 1 SOFWEP-01-GGEN-00063-00 |
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Posted: 1/7/2017 2:04:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2017 4:56:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53733/IMG-7054-121035.JPG God damn! Maybe you can post a little video? 
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Posted: 1/7/2017 5:27:57 PM EDT
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just learned how to do pics. how do i up load video ?
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Posted: 1/7/2017 5:30:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2017 7:22:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Samson-Dogg]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Yea, pretty much. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Are M24 adjustable triggers available or are they impossible to find? Yea, pretty much. Sorry for the confusion. Pretty much available? Or pretty much impossible to find? I got the ACIS 2.0 stock and the MARS rail. I'm deciding what I need to run down now. I figured the lijia barrel was easy enough. I'll send it to HCS to have it fitted for my M110 suppressor. I have a lead on a timney trigger and a Remington LA magnum stainless bolt and reciever. The nightforce 5.5-22 I already had. What rings or mount was issued with the MOD 5 ? I assume the bipod was a Harris. What else am I missing...... How do I decide what recoil lug to get? |
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Posted: 1/8/2017 1:31:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Sorry for the confusion. Pretty much available? Or pretty much impossible to find? I got the ACIS 2.0 stock and the MARS rail. I'm deciding what I need to run down now. I figured the lijia barrel was easy enough. I'll send it to HCS to have it fitted for my M110 suppressor. I have a lead on a timney trigger and a Remington LA magnum stainless bolt and reciever. The nightforce 5.5-22 I already had. What rings or mount was issued with the MOD 5 ? I assume the bipod was a Harris. What else am I missing...... How do I decide what recoil lug to get? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Are M24 adjustable triggers available or are they impossible to find? Yea, pretty much. Sorry for the confusion. Pretty much available? Or pretty much impossible to find? I got the ACIS 2.0 stock and the MARS rail. I'm deciding what I need to run down now. I figured the lijia barrel was easy enough. I'll send it to HCS to have it fitted for my M110 suppressor. I have a lead on a timney trigger and a Remington LA magnum stainless bolt and reciever. The nightforce 5.5-22 I already had. What rings or mount was issued with the MOD 5 ? I assume the bipod was a Harris. What else am I missing...... How do I decide what recoil lug to get? High NF rings if you want NV to line up, but medium will work. My Spuhr mount is 1.34", but I am using a 30MOA MARS and a 34mm S&B 5-25x56. Harris bipods. I'm using the 6-9" with swivel base and notched legs. In the Mod 5 and 6, they used stock Remington recoil lugs. You can use a beefier lug if it makes you sleep better at night. |
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Posted: 1/8/2017 10:13:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
just learned how to do pics. how do i up load video ?https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53733/IMG-7074-121390.JPG If it's on YouTube easy, if it's not hosted its gonna need to be uploaded. Icon next to the picture icon is an arrow icon [insert Youtube]. |
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Posted: 1/8/2017 5:55:25 PM EDT
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what nightvision works well ? PVS 27 ?
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:32:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Great_Balls_of_Fire]
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Posted: 1/9/2017 6:25:23 PM EDT
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The pics on this page are going to make me regret this. I am selling my parts if anyone wants to build a sick Mod 5.
AICS 2.0 Legacy chassis 20 moa MARS rail. Lilja MK13 Mod 5 contour barrel blank. Sweet deals to be had from me. There's an ad in the EE under rifle parts. Divorce is expensive dudes. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:52:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Movistar:
The pics on this page are going to make me regret this. I am selling my parts if anyone wants to build a sick Mod 5. AICS 2.0 Legacy chassis 20 moa MARS rail. Lilja MK13 Mod 5 contour barrel blank. Sweet deals to be had from me. There's an ad in the EE under rifle parts. Divorce is expensive dudes. God damn I wish I could jump on that. There's no possible way. I'm in too big of a hole. If I get put on medcon orders I'll fuckin buy all your shit. Damnit |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:06:00 PM EDT
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sorry to hear that, i been with the same chick for 21 years now, and refuse to get married.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Movistar:
The pics on this page are going to make me regret this. I am selling my parts if anyone wants to build a sick Mod 5. AICS 2.0 Legacy chassis 20 moa MARS rail. Lilja MK13 Mod 5 contour barrel blank. Sweet deals to be had from me. There's an ad in the EE under rifle parts. Divorce is expensive dudes. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:29:10 PM EDT
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I ended up getting the M24R
here it is when I got home... 
Right now it will be equipped with a NF 3.5 to 15X50 with zero stop...I know its blasphemy, but its the only scope I have to make it decent right now. 
Now I have a 308 AR without a scope. When I get the funds, I will probably get the Leupold for it. Also, what scope rings should I get for this set-up? |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:49:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vhmpyr214:
I ended up getting the M24R here it is when I got home... Right now it will be equipped with a NF 3.5 to 15X50 with zero stop...I know its blasphemy, but its the only scope I have to make it decent right now. Now I have a 308 AR without a scope. When I get the funds, I will probably get the Leupold for it. Also, what scope rings should I get for this set-up? Gets a MARS rail and some mk4 rings or nf ultralites and that will look nice. The rifle is capable of so much more I just wish I had more then 10x mag with the leupold. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:19:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DENxtxffSEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrpfkpJ1QGUThanks for the video! Sick fuckin rig brother. Definitely my dream rifle. What distance was the M110 hitting steal at? 450-500yds? Almost seemed to be a couple different ranges |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 12:39:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Movistar:
The pics on this page are going to make me regret this. I am selling my parts if anyone wants to build a sick Mod 5. AICS 2.0 Legacy chassis 20 moa MARS rail. Lilja MK13 Mod 5 contour barrel blank. Sweet deals to be had from me. There's an ad in the EE under rifle parts. Divorce is expensive dudes. Sell the wife and profit. There are plenty of dudes in the BOTD subforum who would pay good money just to open doors for her.
Buy sorry wore not able to complete your initiation into the Mk13 brotherhood 
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Posted: 1/10/2017 11:04:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Thanks for the video! Sick fuckin rig brother. Definitely my dream rifle. What distance was the M110 hitting steal at? 450-500yds? Almost seemed to be a couple different ranges Sho'nuff - and thank you. It's a pretty neat rifle. Distance was somewhere in the 350-400 yd range - I don't recall, exactly. Basically, Eric and I were doing a little ranging exercise with the Mil reticles (very scientific, I know). |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 11:52:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Sell the wife and profit. There are plenty of dudes in the BOTD subforum who would pay good money just to open doors for her. Buy sorry wore not able to complete your initiation into the Mk13 brotherhood Hahahahaha step 3: profit. Those dudes willing to open the doors won't see what's coming. In all seriousness I'm sad about having to sell but I custody of my kids has to come before finishing this project. But you haven't heard the last of me. I still own a Mk11 suppressor and I'm NOT selling that. And maybe if shit changes and I get lucky I can avoid selling but right now it looks like I have to sell. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 9:07:14 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Movistar:
Hahahahaha step 3: profit. Those dudes willing to open the doors won't see what's coming. In all seriousness I'm sad about having to sell but I custody of my kids has to come before finishing this project. But you haven't heard the last of me. I still own a Mk11 suppressor and I'm NOT selling that. And maybe if shit changes and I get lucky I can avoid selling but right now it looks like I have to sell. Well at least you know your rail is going to a good home. Now, I will build a mk13. Every rifle I've ever wanted to clone, I did. I just can't go down the mk13 rabbit hole at this point in my life. So...in the mean time, all I have to do is open up the holes on my action to 8-40, and I can rock this rail on my M24 until I commit to the build. Whenever I see a 24 with the MARS rail, it looks WAY to high. I mean, you already have to build the cheek up so you can get a good cheek weld, but can anybody tell me how much higher it ends up being? |
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Posted: 1/14/2017 3:02:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2017 3:27:30 PM EDT
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Does anybody run the mk13 stiller action? The one that has "MK13 WIN.300" engraved on it? I called just asking about one and the lady on the phone said they were available for 1575.00. The guys were at SHOT so I have to call back but I just wondered if that was correct.
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Posted: 1/17/2017 5:28:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anybody run the mk13 stiller action? The one that has "MK13 WIN.300" engraved on it? I called just asking about one and the lady on the phone said they were available for 1575.00. The guys were at SHOT so I have to call back but I just wondered if that was correct. Yes that is the action for the Mk13 Mod 7. AI makes a chassis for that action. Mile High usually has the action and chassis. Euro Optic has the chassis. ETA: I believe there were some Mod5s with that action. if you look in the OP, there's a pic that looks like an Mod5 with a longer bolt handle found on the stiller action |
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Posted: 1/17/2017 7:40:46 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anybody run the mk13 stiller action? The one that has "MK13 WIN.300" engraved on it? I called just asking about one and the lady on the phone said they were available for 1575.00. The guys were at SHOT so I have to call back but I just wondered if that was correct. Yes, I have one and ran it hard. It is decent but nothing special. Its a good solid 700 Clone. It has the good and bad of a 700 clone...which has a lot of bad. One thing...it ejects high. Big mag cases will hit your optic. Your smith can cut away part of the extractor...but it is an inexact science. If you are buying new and must have a 300 win mag (Why?), I would look hard at an AI for ease of barrel changes or a Mausingfield if you just want a rock solid rifle. The Mausingfield is an amazing action. It just requires a smith to barrel. |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 1:19:13 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC:
Yes, I have one and ran it hard. It is decent but nothing special. Its a good solid 700 Clone. It has the good and bad of a 700 clone...which has a lot of bad. One thing...it ejects high. Big mag cases will hit your optic. Your smith can cut away part of the extractor...but it is an inexact science. If you are buying new and must have a 300 win mag (Why?), I would look hard at an AI for ease of barrel changes or a Mausingfield if you just want a rock solid rifle. The Mausingfield is an amazing action. It just requires a smith to barrel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anybody run the mk13 stiller action? The one that has "MK13 WIN.300" engraved on it? I called just asking about one and the lady on the phone said they were available for 1575.00. The guys were at SHOT so I have to call back but I just wondered if that was correct. Yes, I have one and ran it hard. It is decent but nothing special. Its a good solid 700 Clone. It has the good and bad of a 700 clone...which has a lot of bad. One thing...it ejects high. Big mag cases will hit your optic. Your smith can cut away part of the extractor...but it is an inexact science. If you are buying new and must have a 300 win mag (Why?), I would look hard at an AI for ease of barrel changes or a Mausingfield if you just want a rock solid rifle. The Mausingfield is an amazing action. It just requires a smith to barrel. So what's better? A Blueprinted 700 action or Stiller? |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 2:04:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC:
Yes, I have one and ran it hard. It is decent but nothing special. Its a good solid 700 Clone. It has the good and bad of a 700 clone...which has a lot of bad. One thing...it ejects high. Big mag cases will hit your optic. Your smith can cut away part of the extractor...but it is an inexact science. If you are buying new and must have a 300 win mag (Why?), I would look hard at an AI for ease of barrel changes or a Mausingfield if you just want a rock solid rifle. The Mausingfield is an amazing action. It just requires a smith to barrel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anybody run the mk13 stiller action? The one that has "MK13 WIN.300" engraved on it? I called just asking about one and the lady on the phone said they were available for 1575.00. The guys were at SHOT so I have to call back but I just wondered if that was correct. Yes, I have one and ran it hard. It is decent but nothing special. Its a good solid 700 Clone. It has the good and bad of a 700 clone...which has a lot of bad. One thing...it ejects high. Big mag cases will hit your optic. Your smith can cut away part of the extractor...but it is an inexact science. If you are buying new and must have a 300 win mag (Why?), I would look hard at an AI for ease of barrel changes or a Mausingfield if you just want a rock solid rifle. The Mausingfield is an amazing action. It just requires a smith to barrel. I'm building a mk13 mod 5. I bought the stock and MARS. Then I bought moviestar's Lilja barrel. I like that stiller action but i think after HCS gets done with everything it will exceed my ability anyway. |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 2:38:18 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
So what's better? A Blueprinted 700 action or Stiller? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anybody run the mk13 stiller action? The one that has "MK13 WIN.300" engraved on it? I called just asking about one and the lady on the phone said they were available for 1575.00. The guys were at SHOT so I have to call back but I just wondered if that was correct. Yes, I have one and ran it hard. It is decent but nothing special. Its a good solid 700 Clone. It has the good and bad of a 700 clone...which has a lot of bad. One thing...it ejects high. Big mag cases will hit your optic. Your smith can cut away part of the extractor...but it is an inexact science. If you are buying new and must have a 300 win mag (Why?), I would look hard at an AI for ease of barrel changes or a Mausingfield if you just want a rock solid rifle. The Mausingfield is an amazing action. It just requires a smith to barrel. So what's better? A Blueprinted 700 action or Stiller? Personally...based on speaking with folks that build them, the aftermarket actions (Stiller, Defiance, etc.) are superior overall. The 700 doesn't have great primary extraction and often has other issues like the action itself not being round/straight. An interesting look is to try and fit a 700 into a tube gun chassis. You have to true the outside of the action in order to get it perfectly round/straight. The smiths that do it often call 700s "banana actions" because they have so much bend to them. I have several 700s that have been worked over and are great. I wanted to take an old 700 and build on it for nostalgia...and I did. Looking back, it cost more and doesn't perform any better than a clone action. For the money, you can't beat a Stiller. For performance, you can beat any 700 clone. If you are going to use it hard, there are better options than the 700 type actions. YMMV |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 2:43:13 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
I'm building a mk13 mod 5. I bought the stock and MARS. Then I bought moviestar's Lilja barrel. I like that stiller action but i think after HCS gets done with everything it will exceed my ability anyway. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Originally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anybody run the mk13 stiller action? The one that has "MK13 WIN.300" engraved on it? I called just asking about one and the lady on the phone said they were available for 1575.00. The guys were at SHOT so I have to call back but I just wondered if that was correct. Yes, I have one and ran it hard. It is decent but nothing special. Its a good solid 700 Clone. It has the good and bad of a 700 clone...which has a lot of bad. One thing...it ejects high. Big mag cases will hit your optic. Your smith can cut away part of the extractor...but it is an inexact science. If you are buying new and must have a 300 win mag (Why?), I would look hard at an AI for ease of barrel changes or a Mausingfield if you just want a rock solid rifle. The Mausingfield is an amazing action. It just requires a smith to barrel. I'm building a mk13 mod 5. I bought the stock and MARS. Then I bought moviestar's Lilja barrel. I like that stiller action but i think after HCS gets done with everything it will exceed my ability anyway. You will like it. They go great work. My MK 13 is a great rifle. Having said that, using it demonstrated why AI and similar made their rifles the way that they do. Any 700 clone is going to have some limitations. Its not bad...but things like being able to eject live rounds when cycled at normal speed...that would be nice to have. 700s were made for ease of manufacture and low cost, much like a Glock. They work and they perform...but you get what you pay for. Its like 300 win mag...it is great and it works...but there are possibly some better options. I love my win mags. I built 3 of them. They do great things. Having said that...they are too big to be small and too small to be big. I actually use my 308 and my 260 more. I just grab what I need to do what I want to do. Full disclosure though...I am thinking hard about a 300 Norma build. Its a lot of fun and they do work well. You will enjoy it...except for paying for ammo
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Posted: 1/18/2017 3:02:17 AM EDT
[#45]
So what is a 700 clone exactly? An action built in place of a 700? Compatible with what would work with 700 actions? I'm new to the bolt game. I've always been an AR platform Guy. Through my years of service the only bolt gun I ever ran was an M24...and I ended building one. Since then, I really lost interest in all my semi-autos. The accuracy is just not comparable. This will also be my first venture outside of 223 and 308. What round would you say is better than the 300wm? I am a fan of the tac338, but I like to shoot a lot and don't think I can afford to reload 338. I'm a Combat Arms Instructor at work, and a RO and rifle instructor on my days off, so I spend quite a bit of my time on the range.
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Posted: 1/18/2017 3:32:02 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
So what is a 700 clone exactly? An action built in place of a 700? Compatible with what would work with 700 actions? Yeah, basically. Copies of the M700 footprint with their own touch of machining and aesthetics. Kind of like a Ruger M77 is a copy of the Mauser action. Remington actions are good actions. Dont let people fool you saying they are bad. Remington mass produces firearms, and there's going there is going to be a few bad apples. The "custom" actions are made in a lower volume and have a higher quality control. Remington has there 40x actions which are hand picked out of a batch as the creme of the crop. Even still, a M700 action once properly trued is a great action. Custom actions are less work for gunsmith building a rifle. Anyone building a tube gun isn't going to use it for a utilitarian purpose. I've sold hundreds of Rem 700s. I can count on one hand how many I had to send back that skipped their QC. A few more for end uder failures such as not oiling the metal surfaces after a hot humid day and putting it in a gun case for 6 months to find out that their rifle has surface rust... Are custom actions better? Yeah...but it's all in the machinist/gunsmith and shooter to determine how great it can shoot...same goes for the M700 action. Most, if not all of the custom actions have tig welded bolt handles which are stronger than a stock Remington action. And several of the custom actions come with precision fit bolt lugs and sometimes scope bases. |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 5:44:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2017 5:58:01 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
So what is a 700 clone exactly? An action built in place of a 700? Compatible with what would work with 700 actions? I'm new to the bolt game. I've always been an AR platform Guy. Through my years of service the only bolt gun I ever ran was an M24...and I ended building one. Since then, I really lost interest in all my semi-autos. The accuracy is just not comparable. This will also be my first venture outside of 223 and 308. What round would you say is better than the 300wm? I am a fan of the tac338, but I like to shoot a lot and don't think I can afford to reload 338. I'm a Combat Arms Instructor at work, and a RO and rifle instructor on my days off, so I spend quite a bit of my time on the range. Take a peek at the various ballistic solvers/calculators. There are some decent ones that you can download as an app. Applied Balistics is solid. True it with your data and it can do great things. Personally...recoil sucks and barrel life matters. A 6.5 Creedmore will shoot to1K easily and ranges longer than that are hard to find. Plus, factory precision ammo is plentiful and relatively cheap. I love my MK 13...but it gets old with the recoil and forget about positional shooting in anything beyond barricades or rests. Heavy, loud, etc. My 260 gets the most use but factory ammo isn't as plentiful as 6.5 Creed. YMMV |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 3:06:07 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Just want to say thank you to Movistar for the rail. Real stand up dude, and a pleasure to do business with. Shipped same day upon receiving my payment. Here's a few mock-up pics to make him regret selling it to me lol. Need to get the scope base screw holes drilled and tapped for the 8-40 thread pitch and hunt down longer screws. That looks killer! |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 5:25:28 PM EDT
[#50]
Thanks for all the feedback and info! I appreciate it. So if I used let's say a Stiller action, would my MARS rail have to be modified to fit that action?
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