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How much did they cost? Also, what kind off fencing do you have.? I have been toying with the idea of getting goats for milk. We go through a gallon a day. Don't know if I would really save money but I like hobbies.
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The farmer who I got mine told me 'If you throw bucket of water at the fence and it goes through, then goat will go through it too." I found that out the hard way.
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Quoted: How much did they cost? Also, what kind off fencing do you have.? I have been toying with the idea of getting goats for milk. We go through a gallon a day. Don't know if I would really save money but I like hobbies. View Quote Fence constructed of 2 x 4 in welded wire and lumber. They were not cheap, $325 a piece...apparently they are registered like a dog and all this jazz, as it turns out goat people are weird. It cost me way more money to set up for them than I thought it would, including the goats I am closing in on 2K. |
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Quoted: The farmer who I got mine told me 'If you throw bucket of water at the fence and it goes through, then goat will go through it too." I found that out the hard way. View Quote They are much smaller than I anticipated. The lady the we purchased them from delivered them together, in a single cat carrier. Will get pics up later. So far though, they are super cool little things. If you take one and move it more than three feet from the other they go crazy. |
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I recall a thread here recently about Great Danes and goats. Danes seem to have a thing for killing goats.
Eta - was an alpaca. Lots of discussion though on Danes and livestock. dane killed alpaca thread |
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Quoted: I recall a thread here recently about Great Danes and goats. Danes seem to have a thing for killing goats. Eta - was an alpaca. Lots of discussion though on Danes and livestock. dane killed alpaca thread View Quote I don't get it, he never goes after anything, not even cats, but damn does he want these goats. |
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OP wife is wanting more pictures please.......
$325??? Wow I see them for $25 to $50 why so much? |
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the nigerian dwarves produce such a rich milk though. I hope you guys intend to make butter and cheese, or do a lot of straining.
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Quoted: the nigerian dwarves produce such a rich milk though. I hope you guys intend to make butter and cheese, or do a lot of straining. View Quote I have heard that if you do not breed them they never produce milk, any truth to that? We are only a couple hours into it, just trying to keep them alive at this point. |
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Thanks they look great.
I don't mind paying $500 if it gives me a better goat I guess I need to do more research. |
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I have heard that if you do not breed them they never produce milk, any truth to that? We are only a couple hours into it, just trying to keep them alive at this point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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the nigerian dwarves produce such a rich milk though. I hope you guys intend to make butter and cheese, or do a lot of straining. I have heard that if you do not breed them they never produce milk, any truth to that? We are only a couple hours into it, just trying to keep them alive at this point. Correct. They will produce a few months after breeding and their production will decrease drastically around 7-9 months afterwards. Let them alone with their kids for the first 8 weeks and then go back to milking as usual. |
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Should have gone with Baby Doll sheep, twice as cute and a fraction of the fencing requirements. <a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/20140607_111246_zpsinqyxy5o.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/20140607_111246_zpsinqyxy5o.jpg</a> <a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/10012966_442579919178359_1227911487_o_zps21153c75.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/10012966_442579919178359_1227911487_o_zps21153c75.jpg</a> View Quote What the heck are those? I had a fantastic lamb dinner at a seder last night and it has started me thinking...... |
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Quoted: What the heck are those? I had a fantastic lamb dinner at a seder last night and it has started me thinking...... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Should have gone with Baby Doll sheep, twice as cute and a fraction of the fencing requirements. <a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/20140607_111246_zpsinqyxy5o.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/20140607_111246_zpsinqyxy5o.jpg</a> <a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/10012966_442579919178359_1227911487_o_zps21153c75.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/10012966_442579919178359_1227911487_o_zps21153c75.jpg</a> What the heck are those? I had a fantastic lamb dinner at a seder last night and it has started me thinking...... http://www.oldeenglishbabydollregistry.com/about_the_breed.htm One of the oldest of the English breeds of sheep is the Southdown, originating on the South Down hills of Sussex County, England. These small sheep were know for their extreme hardiness and produced meat with unmatched tenderness and flavor then any other breed of sheep. In 1780 John Ellman, realized the potential of these animals and set out to standardize the Southdown breed. In England, these small Southdowns grew in popularity up until 1908 when there were approximately 367 registered flocks totaling about 110,000 ewes. The growth in this breed's development slowed in the early 1900s as World War I brought a sharp decline in their numbers. By the end of the World War II, the demand for larger cuts of meat had almost forced the breed into extinction. It is believed that the breed reached the United States in 1803. Their popularity grew and later declined in nearly the same pattern that had occurred in England. The small Southdown could not satisfy the consumer demand for larger meat cuts. This was a significant factor in the development and mass production of the larger, leggier Southdown of today. This divergence from the original breed standards was the beginning of what would later become two distinct lines: The Southdown and the miniature (or original) Southdown. In breeding for these larger characteristics however, many of the original "miniature" attributes were bred out and nearly lost. Each year brought a further decline in the number of these "original" Southdowns. In 1986, Mr. Robert Mock began a search for the sheep with the original blood lines that conformed to the original Southdown of the 1700s. Finding them proved to be difficult. At one point they were believed to be extinct. After a four-year search, two small flocks totaling 26 sheep were located; however, this group would not be able to provide a sustainable gene pool. After further extensive searching, a total of 350 of these miniature sheep were located. Many of them still carried their original Southdown registration papers. To distinguish these small sheep from the larger modern-era Southdown, Mr. Mock named them �Olde English Babydoll Southdowns." To keep this line pure, a registry was formed. Only adults two years and older were accepted so that they could be judged against the original conformation standards as verified by a veterinarian. Each sheep's registration application was passed before a board of three members of the Breed Association. After this initial review and acceptance period, the "Foundation Flock" registry was closed in 1991. |
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Quoted: http://www.oldeenglishbabydollregistry.com/about_the_breed.htm One of the oldest of the English breeds of sheep is the Southdown, originating on the South Down hills of Sussex County, England. These small sheep were know for their extreme hardiness and produced meat with unmatched tenderness and flavor then any other breed of sheep. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Should have gone with Baby Doll sheep, twice as cute and a fraction of the fencing requirements. <a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/20140607_111246_zpsinqyxy5o.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/20140607_111246_zpsinqyxy5o.jpg</a> <a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/10012966_442579919178359_1227911487_o_zps21153c75.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/10012966_442579919178359_1227911487_o_zps21153c75.jpg</a> What the heck are those? I had a fantastic lamb dinner at a seder last night and it has started me thinking...... http://www.oldeenglishbabydollregistry.com/about_the_breed.htm One of the oldest of the English breeds of sheep is the Southdown, originating on the South Down hills of Sussex County, England. These small sheep were know for their extreme hardiness and produced meat with unmatched tenderness and flavor then any other breed of sheep. In 1780 John Ellman, realized the potential of these animals and set out to standardize the Southdown breed. In England, these small Southdowns grew in popularity up until 1908 when there were approximately 367 registered flocks totaling about 110,000 ewes. The growth in this breed's development slowed in the early 1900s as World War I brought a sharp decline in their numbers. By the end of the World War II, the demand for larger cuts of meat had almost forced the breed into extinction. It is believed that the breed reached the United States in 1803. Their popularity grew and later declined in nearly the same pattern that had occurred in England. The small Southdown could not satisfy the consumer demand for larger meat cuts. This was a significant factor in the development and mass production of the larger, leggier Southdown of today. This divergence from the original breed standards was the beginning of what would later become two distinct lines: The Southdown and the miniature (or original) Southdown. In breeding for these larger characteristics however, many of the original "miniature" attributes were bred out and nearly lost. Each year brought a further decline in the number of these "original" Southdowns. In 1986, Mr. Robert Mock began a search for the sheep with the original blood lines that conformed to the original Southdown of the 1700s. Finding them proved to be difficult. At one point they were believed to be extinct. After a four-year search, two small flocks totaling 26 sheep were located; however, this group would not be able to provide a sustainable gene pool. After further extensive searching, a total of 350 of these miniature sheep were located. Many of them still carried their original Southdown registration papers. To distinguish these small sheep from the larger modern-era Southdown, Mr. Mock named them �Olde English Babydoll Southdowns." To keep this line pure, a registry was formed. Only adults two years and older were accepted so that they could be judged against the original conformation standards as verified by a veterinarian. Each sheep's registration application was passed before a board of three members of the Breed Association. After this initial review and acceptance period, the "Foundation Flock" registry was closed in 1991. |
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OMG! they're so cute!! What pretty babies! I wouldn't let them outside either. Not without an LGD to watch out for them. Precious little things.
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A friend of mine had goats for a while - until the bears and coyotes got them. They had free range on his property. He said goats like to get up on things - like cars for example. Little goat sized hoof prints and dents all over the cars. He said he liked them, but he was glad they were gone.
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Goat Update
We had our first goat injury yesterday. The boss brought his kids over to see them so we wander out back to their pen and there is blood all over the place. There must have been some rough play and somehow one of them sliced their back leg open pretty badly on a log of all things. Kids took the petting zoo from hell in stride, wife bandaged up the goat and cried. Good times. The goat was favoring the leg pretty heavily yesterday but got up this am and appears to be fine. |
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Quoted: We have 2 Nigerian dwarves. http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv59/bwrairden/03D30345-2F3F-4653-9120-D9CD24D5F4DE.jpg We paid $550 for the pair. They are registered. View Quote |
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get a cow bell and ring it like crazy at feeding time..assuming your controlling milk goats intake if youre
planning on drinking it...and they'll come running once learned behavior especially when they've gotten thru the fence somewhere and are munching on neighbors prize winning flora.... |
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Small ruminants in a fixed pen--that area will be a dry lot/mudhole pretty soon.
How will you counter the disease issues? Goats are Catch-22. They need space to graze, but they need watching after close or they end up dead or climbing on somebody's car. Almost impossible to confine in a large area. If you keep them in high security pen, they destroy the lot pretty quick. Have fun and good luck. |
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Quoted: Small ruminants in a fixed pen--that area will be a dry lot/mudhole pretty soon. How will you counter the disease issues? Goats are Catch-22. They need space to graze, but they need watching after close or they end up dead or climbing on somebody's car. Almost impossible to confine in a large area. If you keep them in high security pen, they destroy the lot pretty quick. Have fun and good luck. View Quote They are so small it is going to take them a while to clear anything, I actually had to take the weed eater to the pen this weekend because the grass/weeds had grown taller than the goats. |
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Neat thread. You could always put your goats up on the roof to keep them safe. http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz296/KingRat_photos/UpNorthTrip2106.jpg (Wisconsin restaurant famous for their goats. They have a live goat cam.) View Quote When we first moved to the Ozarks we regularly saw stuff that made us facepalm and shake our head. Goats on a roof, or atop a vehicle was one of them. We've gotten used to that kind of thing, but just when you think you've seen it all... |
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You guys were great and gave me all kinds of info when I posted up a couple months ago about my wife's desire to own goats. She is an amazing lady that I love dearly so of course she gets anything that she wants that I am able to provide to her. Tomorrow am we are driving two hours to pick up here two baby Nigerian dwarf goats, pics below. Just wanted to say thank you for all the help in the previous thread, wanted to post in that thread but it was archived. <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/kaizerandkitty/media/IMG951956_zpsxnj9oftb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee82/kaizerandkitty/IMG951956_zpsxnj9oftb.jpg</a> <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/kaizerandkitty/media/IMG951958_zpsuwh1hy68.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee82/kaizerandkitty/IMG951958_zpsuwh1hy68.jpg</a> View Quote OMG. Cute freaking OVERLOAD. |
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We are learning as we go. They have a 40 ft by 40 ft pen, then an acre outside of that to screw around in. They stay in the smaller, more secure pen when we aren't home. They are so small it is going to take them a while to clear anything, I actually had to take the weed eater to the pen this weekend because the grass/weeds had grown taller than the goats. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Small ruminants in a fixed pen--that area will be a dry lot/mudhole pretty soon. How will you counter the disease issues? Goats are Catch-22. They need space to graze, but they need watching after close or they end up dead or climbing on somebody's car. Almost impossible to confine in a large area. If you keep them in high security pen, they destroy the lot pretty quick. Have fun and good luck. They are so small it is going to take them a while to clear anything, I actually had to take the weed eater to the pen this weekend because the grass/weeds had grown taller than the goats. Please keep updating your thread. I don't like goats because (as I probably stated bluntly in your archived thread) they're a PITA for little return. And they stink. BUT..your tiny goats are real cuties, and their size makes them a different kind of problem. I would love to see more and hear about your ongoing experience with them. That said...OBVIOUSLY these are not meat goats...too expensive and wife wanted them as pets..so...is pets all they are? Do you have plans to breed? Or what? kitties |
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I am pretty tempted to pick one up as a pet although I know absolutely nothing about them other than the chicks dig em Boss bought a pair and they were pretty cute and pooped little pellets like a rabbit. Would be great to have something different.
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Small ruminants in a fixed pen--that area will be a dry lot/mudhole pretty soon. How will you counter the disease issues? Goats are Catch-22. They need space to graze, but they need watching after close or they end up dead or climbing on somebody's car. Almost impossible to confine in a large area. If you keep them in high security pen, they destroy the lot pretty quick. Have fun and good luck. View Quote Where I come from, goats, cows and ponies go on pickets. You move your picket around as the grass gets eaten. |
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Ok, quick update to those interested or following:
The injured goat, Edna, appears to be fine. Her leg is healing, still not entirely sure what injured her or how she did it. She is also getting fatter, noticeably fatter than her sister, which caused my wife to wonder if she was pregnant...she is young, so going to research that tonight to even see if that is possible and try to estimate her general age against what we were told when we purchased her. Her sister, Muriel, was the anti-social one of the two, but she has come around. They are still sleeping in the house in a dog cage at night because, "something will eat them, there is blood everywhere, what about an own?...." But no big deal really, I go out and get them at 10 pm and they wait for me at the door of their pen. Scoop up the fat one first, then the skinny one, and we roll back to the house. They run around for a few minutes then go into the dog crate and curl up with each other and we lock the door. Dogs still want to eat them. All in all, they have been pretty easy with the exception of the leg injury which caused major drama around here. They are only going through a bale of hay at a rate of one bale every two weeks. It has been a positive experience and they have really been super easy, not sure if this stands for all breeds of goat but these ones really are too small to cause major chaos. I normally watch them goat around for 30 minutes or so when I come home from work, the shit they do is so funny and definitely a stress reliever. |
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Glad to see you are still enjoying your goats. They are smart animals and very entertaining as you have found.
I grew up raising meat goats for 4H and we never had issues with them. Your fencing couldn't be full of holes but otherwise they were way easier than the lambs we did a couple of years. Just make sure to keep your dogs away. It sounds like they will rip into your goats if given half a chance. |
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Ok, quick update to those interested or following: The injured goat, Edna, appears to be fine. Her leg is healing, still not entirely sure what injured her or how she did it. She is also getting fatter, noticeably fatter than her sister, which caused my wife to wonder if she was pregnant...she is young, so going to research that tonight to even see if that is possible and try to estimate her general age against what we were told when we purchased her. Her sister, Muriel, was the anti-social one of the two, but she has come around. They are still sleeping in the house in a dog cage at night because, "something will eat them, there is blood everywhere, what about an own?...." But no big deal really, I go out and get them at 10 pm and they wait for me at the door of their pen. Scoop up the fat one first, then the skinny one, and we roll back to the house. They run around for a few minutes then go into the dog crate and curl up with each other and we lock the door. Dogs still want to eat them. All in all, they have been pretty easy with the exception of the leg injury which caused major drama around here. They are only going through a bale of hay at a rate of one bale every two weeks. It has been a positive experience and they have really been super easy, not sure if this stands for all breeds of goat but these ones really are too small to cause major chaos. I normally watch them goat around for 30 minutes or so when I come home from work, the shit they do is so funny and definitely a stress reliever. View Quote They sound like so much fun. And they're so darn cute. More goat pics? |
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Quoted: They sound like so much fun. And they're so darn cute. More goat pics? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ok, quick update to those interested or following: The injured goat, Edna, appears to be fine. Her leg is healing, still not entirely sure what injured her or how she did it. She is also getting fatter, noticeably fatter than her sister, which caused my wife to wonder if she was pregnant...she is young, so going to research that tonight to even see if that is possible and try to estimate her general age against what we were told when we purchased her. Her sister, Muriel, was the anti-social one of the two, but she has come around. They are still sleeping in the house in a dog cage at night because, "something will eat them, there is blood everywhere, what about an own?...." But no big deal really, I go out and get them at 10 pm and they wait for me at the door of their pen. Scoop up the fat one first, then the skinny one, and we roll back to the house. They run around for a few minutes then go into the dog crate and curl up with each other and we lock the door. Dogs still want to eat them. All in all, they have been pretty easy with the exception of the leg injury which caused major drama around here. They are only going through a bale of hay at a rate of one bale every two weeks. It has been a positive experience and they have really been super easy, not sure if this stands for all breeds of goat but these ones really are too small to cause major chaos. I normally watch them goat around for 30 minutes or so when I come home from work, the shit they do is so funny and definitely a stress reliever. They sound like so much fun. And they're so darn cute. More goat pics? |
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Quoted: Glad to see you are still enjoying your goats. They are smart animals and very entertaining as you have found. I grew up raising meat goats for 4H and we never had issues with them. Your fencing couldn't be full of holes but otherwise they were way easier than the lambs we did a couple of years. Just make sure to keep your dogs away. It sounds like they will rip into your goats if given half a chance. View Quote I can't quite figure the dogs out with the goats. They have never acted like this before, it is like they know they are tasty. |
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Sorry about the delay of pics, had to go out of town for work and just got back. I will get some up in the next day or two. I did get this picture of the wife's dog. She sits like this and watches the goats as they play. <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/kaizerandkitty/media/20150426_092116_zpsl5twyfgs.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee82/kaizerandkitty/20150426_092116_zpsl5twyfgs.jpg</a> View Quote She desperately needs to herd them. Or eat them, depending... (Love me some GSDs) |
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<a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/20150426_092116_zpszp9nc1xg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/20150426_092116_zpszp9nc1xg.jpg</a> View Quote OMG. That's GREAT! Even though it's goats, that's still perfect. Will you watermark that so I can steal it? Please? |
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OMG. That's GREAT! Even though it's goats, that's still perfect. Will you watermark that so I can steal it? Please? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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<a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/20150426_092116_zpszp9nc1xg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/20150426_092116_zpszp9nc1xg.jpg</a> OMG. That's GREAT! Even though it's goats, that's still perfect. Will you watermark that so I can steal it? Please? I realized my lamb/kid mistake right after posting it.... I keep sheep... and dogs... so I may have been projecting a wee bit because of my own dogs' tendancies! That said, "kid kabob" gives me a foul mental image... and also reminds me of an Eddie Izzard bit about skewers... but I digress. It's funny as hell. |
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Quoted: I realized my lamb/kid mistake right after posting it.... I keep sheep... and dogs... so I may have been projecting a wee bit because of my own dogs' tendancies! That said, "kid kabob" gives me a foul mental image... and also reminds me of an Eddie Izzard bit about skewers... but I digress. It's funny as hell. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: <a href="http://s213.photobucket.com/user/kallnojoy/media/20150426_092116_zpszp9nc1xg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/kallnojoy/20150426_092116_zpszp9nc1xg.jpg</a> OMG. That's GREAT! Even though it's goats, that's still perfect. Will you watermark that so I can steal it? Please? I realized my lamb/kid mistake right after posting it.... I keep sheep... and dogs... so I may have been projecting a wee bit because of my own dogs' tendancies! That said, "kid kabob" gives me a foul mental image... and also reminds me of an Eddie Izzard bit about skewers... but I digress. It's funny as hell. |
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OP has containing these monsters been as difficult as people have suggested?
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Ok, i suck at updating and will get some good pics this weekend. Here are the girls screwing around in the yard, gives a good indication of how small they really are. Everything is still good, really enjoying them and thinking about adding a few more. <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/kaizerandkitty/media/20150521_182314_zpsnddaw9na.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee82/kaizerandkitty/20150521_182314_zpsnddaw9na.jpg</a> View Quote How high is that fence, and is the wire embedded between the wood parts? That's what it looks like. If I've missed a post on your fencing method, feel free to tell me to just go looking for it (pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated.) Are they seriously not trying to climb out of there? |
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OP has containing these monsters been as difficult as people have suggested? View Quote Not OP but I raised goats growing up. I can confirm for you that goats are not complete demons. They are silly and curious but they are far from geniuses or even a smart dog. They will escape if you are lazy and have shitty fences that you don't maintain. They will also escape if you are dumb and have something close to the fence that they can climb. Goats are also likely to attempt escape if you have them on crappy pasture or in a bare lot like most idiots seem to keep. TLDR; don't be lazy and be smarter than the goats (not hard to do). You will get along with them just fine. |
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Quoted: Not OP but I raised goats growing up. I can confirm for you that goats are not complete demons. They are silly and curious but they are far from geniuses or even a smart dog. They will escape if you are lazy and have shitty fences that you don't maintain. They will also escape if you are dumb and have something close to the fence that they can climb. Goats are also likely to attempt escape if you have them on crappy pasture or in a bare lot like most idiots seem to keep. TLDR; don't be lazy and be smarter than the goats (not hard to do). You will get along with them just fine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: OP has containing these monsters been as difficult as people have suggested? Not OP but I raised goats growing up. I can confirm for you that goats are not complete demons. They are silly and curious but they are far from geniuses or even a smart dog. They will escape if you are lazy and have shitty fences that you don't maintain. They will also escape if you are dumb and have something close to the fence that they can climb. Goats are also likely to attempt escape if you have them on crappy pasture or in a bare lot like most idiots seem to keep. TLDR; don't be lazy and be smarter than the goats (not hard to do). You will get along with them just fine. |
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