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Posted: 1/24/2016 1:48:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2016 2:03:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger:
Mark, you are the consummate opportunist. You'll manage to turn this into another $100k in sales.  I'll have to wrap triggers in $50 Bills (get it) if he don't get ahold of himself soon. |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 2:13:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LaRue_Tactical]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Click2Boom:
I'll give you my acct password for a MBT  Funny you said that, I can't even read the GD threads and I don't want to log out as I'll have go through the "which password was it" routine and for that it ain't worth it. One day they'll slip up and run me off here ... But the next board I land on will have to talk to me through my agent.
ETA - My Omron just said my blood pressure is 116/64 pulse 67 ... Rudy Guliani quoted his dad as saying "In a crisis, you have to be the coolest head in the room." I'm taking the carbon unit that houses my thinking unit (me) out for a hike. 
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Posted: 1/24/2016 2:18:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Agreed Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By sea2summit:
LTforcom With all your tech neards it shouldn't take more than two weeks to get it up and running  Agreed +1 |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 2:21:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2016 3:01:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Funny you said that, I can't even read the GD threads and I don't want to log out as I'll have go through the "which password was it" routine and for that it ain't worth it. One day they'll slip up and run me off here ... But the next board I land on will have to talk to me through my agent.
ETA - My Omron just said my blood pressure is 116/64 pulse 67 ... Rudy Guliani quoted his dad as saying "In a crisis, you have to be the coolest head in the room." I'm taking the carbon unit that houses my thinking unit (me) out for a hike.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Click2Boom:
I'll give you my acct password for a MBT Funny you said that, I can't even read the GD threads and I don't want to log out as I'll have go through the "which password was it" routine and for that it ain't worth it. One day they'll slip up and run me off here ... But the next board I land on will have to talk to me through my agent.
ETA - My Omron just said my blood pressure is 116/64 pulse 67 ... Rudy Guliani quoted his dad as saying "In a crisis, you have to be the coolest head in the room." I'm taking the carbon unit that houses my thinking unit (me) out for a hike.
I have a board for you to land on. |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 3:16:31 PM EDT
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Hunh, I thought you guys were just giving each other a friendly ball busting, the way friends might. Never figured that there was any real animosity there.
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Posted: 1/24/2016 3:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
I'll have to wrap triggers in $50 Bills (get it) if he don't get ahold of himself soon. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Mark, you are the consummate opportunist. You'll manage to turn this into another $100k in sales. I'll have to wrap triggers in $50 Bills (get it) if he don't get ahold of himself soon. I'll buy three at $125 each with a $50 bill wrapped around each! 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2016 3:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Funny you said that, I can't even read the GD threads and I don't want to log out as I'll have go through the "which password was it" routine and for that it ain't worth it. One day they'll slip up and run me off here ... But the next board I land on will have to talk to me through my agent.
ETA - My Omron just said my blood pressure is 116/64 pulse 67 ... Rudy Guliani quoted his dad as saying "In a crisis, you have to be the coolest head in the room." I'm taking the carbon unit that houses my thinking unit (me) out for a hike.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Click2Boom:
I'll give you my acct password for a MBT Funny you said that, I can't even read the GD threads and I don't want to log out as I'll have go through the "which password was it" routine and for that it ain't worth it. One day they'll slip up and run me off here ... But the next board I land on will have to talk to me through my agent.
ETA - My Omron just said my blood pressure is 116/64 pulse 67 ... Rudy Guliani quoted his dad as saying "In a crisis, you have to be the coolest head in the room." I'm taking the carbon unit that houses my thinking unit (me) out for a hike.
It is lonely at the top sometimes. Sometimes. Not this time. Have a good hike and congrats weight loss. |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 3:58:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical: When I click on a GD thread, it spits smoke out and defaults to the home page. Just as I invent Free Shot Friday too ... could there be a tie-in. ETA- In other news, I throttled up the Navion in Vegas and rode tailwinds to Texas ... 6 hours door to-door. Like a rocket sled on wheels.  meh...it happens to the best of us from time to time... Hell I got a 3 day time out for this little guy>>>  |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 3:59:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical: I'm not playing the victim card in any shape or form, I just want the same free swings so many others get. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical: P.S. Thought only GB himself could mess with an industry partner? Defender3, Over the decade that I've been pouring money into this board, it's been my observation that mods are only human, and they rank Industry Partners. Some mods give us high marks, others give us a hard time. It is my opinion that I have had to put up with a lot of intentionally ignored sh*t slinging attacks ... here of late, I'm getting less tolerant.  Really? You're the victim Mark? I've never had a problem with your on-line persona, I've rather enjoyed it at times. I also acknowledge the great things you've done for this site and its members, as well as our nation's warriors nd first responders. You do have to admit you enjoy bein a bit of a gadfly at times, something I've been accused of as well, so I can relate. I'm sure this will be orked out in short order when the ARF Lord Obi-Juan Avila returns from Shot Show, where you will never find a more wretched hive of gluttony or consumerism! I'm not playing the victim card in any shape or form, I just want the same free swings so many others get. That's all a man can hope for. Speaking of hope....... is this the hope and change Obama promised? If you like your arfcom mods you can keep your arfcom mods. Pfftt. |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 5:00:32 PM EDT
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I enjoyed this one
Originally Posted By Aimless:
While the avilas are at shot Mark can do cartwheels through GD naked with a sparkler in his teeth for all I care, lol |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 5:22:15 PM EDT
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Honestly, you really don't need to be a sponsor here to sell your product.
I would just not re-up for a year and watch your sales figures as I bet they don't change. It will hurt the arfcom bottom line much more than yours I would guess. I do not have the same personality as you and don't always agree with what you say/do but I also caught the "shots" that Bill took and wouldn't be happy if I were you either. |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 6:28:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LaRue_Tactical]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlficken:
Honestly, you really don't need to be a sponsor here to sell your product. I would just not re-up for a year and watch your sales figures as I bet they don't change. It will hurt the arfcom bottom line much more than yours I would guess. I do not have the same personality as you and don't always agree with what you say/do but I also caught the "shots" that Bill took and wouldn't be happy if I were you either. I like the Avilas, they are a great bunch of Texans. 
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Posted: 1/24/2016 6:49:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
I like the Avilas, they are a great bunch of Texans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By jlficken:
Honestly, you really don't need to be a sponsor here to sell your product. I would just not re-up for a year and watch your sales figures as I bet they don't change. It will hurt the arfcom bottom line much more than yours I would guess. I do not have the same personality as you and don't always agree with what you say/do but I also caught the "shots" that Bill took and wouldn't be happy if I were you either. I like the Avilas, they are a great bunch of Texans. Their picante sauce is made in New York City. |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 7:09:52 PM EDT
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^^^
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Posted: 1/24/2016 7:34:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: urbankaos04]
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Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO.
Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 7:39:51 PM EDT
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Mark, have you been contacted regarding the lock? Surprised they would do this, especially when it was all in good fun as evident by Bill joining in on that back and forth thread. (Assuming that's the thread which caused the issue.)
Either way, we all support you in whatever you decide.
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Posted: 1/24/2016 7:43:56 PM EDT
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(In my best mom voice) It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt!
(in my best dad voice) Suck it up buttercup!
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Posted: 1/24/2016 7:54:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
I like the Avilas, they are a great bunch of wannabe Texans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By jlficken:
Honestly, you really don't need to be a sponsor here to sell your product. I would just not re-up for a year and watch your sales figures as I bet they don't change. It will hurt the arfcom bottom line much more than yours I would guess. I do not have the same personality as you and don't always agree with what you say/do but I also caught the "shots" that Bill took and wouldn't be happy if I were you either. I like the Avilas, they are a great bunch of wannabe Texans. FIFY Mark. 
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Posted: 1/24/2016 8:43:28 PM EDT
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I have nothing constructive to add other than I wish I could afford one of Marks guns
One day.
Outside of that, don't let them get to ya, and keep making an awesome product! |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 8:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO. Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 8:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO. Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? How dare you use logic!
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Posted: 1/24/2016 9:29:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: urbankaos04]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO. Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? Sorry, for the question, Mark. I'm just asking, and I'll be perfectly honest with you, because I just saw a Shot Show video that highlighted that sometimes a light pull is achieved by using "softer" springs. I also learned that AMU will frown upon triggers that use "soft" hammer springs and want triggers that are using a "full power" hammer spring in order to achieve consistent ignition and lock time. I hope I am paraphrasing everything correctly, as I do not want to misrepresent anything. At any rate, what was being discussed in the video appeared to make sense to me, but, what do I know, as I don't shoot competition and I am not an SME.
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Posted: 1/24/2016 10:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
I like the Avilas, they are a great bunch of Texans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By jlficken:
Honestly, you really don't need to be a sponsor here to sell your product. I would just not re-up for a year and watch your sales figures as I bet they don't change. It will hurt the arfcom bottom line much more than yours I would guess. I do not have the same personality as you and don't always agree with what you say/do but I also caught the "shots" that Bill took and wouldn't be happy if I were you either. I like the Avilas, they are a great bunch of Texans. Hey, no worries it was just a thought if things went south. I hope you get it all worked out ASAP. Your threads are always entertaining :-) |
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Posted: 1/24/2016 10:40:00 PM EDT
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I watched that video of Bill earlier today and I gotta say I thought his whole demeanor was really off putting. I don't know the guy obviously and I know a lot of people here talk highly of him, but I'm not impressed. I only have one of his products and one ALG product. I'm seriously considering selling both triggers and replacing them with MBTs. I already have two and really like them. Maybe it's Bills Yankee accent/attitude that rubs me wrong I don't know. I do know that I get Marks sense of humor if you will and I really dig his products! I guess you can call me a fanboy if you that's you're thing.
On a separate note I also think the names of his mounts and charging handles are "super" gay.
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Posted: 1/24/2016 11:54:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigDozer66]
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I'll follow along since Obi-Juan has returned from Vegas baby!
BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:46:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
Sorry, for the question, Mark. I'm just asking, and I'll be perfectly honest with you, because I just saw a Shot Show video that highlighted that sometimes a light pull is achieved by using "softer" springs. I also learned that AMU will frown upon triggers that use "soft" hammer springs and want triggers that are using a "full power" hammer spring in order to achieve consistent ignition and lock time. I hope I am paraphrasing everything correctly, as I do not want to misrepresent anything. At any rate, what was being discussed in the video appeared to make sense to me, but, what do I know, as I don't shoot competition and I am not an SME.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO. Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? Sorry, for the question, Mark. I'm just asking, and I'll be perfectly honest with you, because I just saw a Shot Show video that highlighted that sometimes a light pull is achieved by using "softer" springs. I also learned that AMU will frown upon triggers that use "soft" hammer springs and want triggers that are using a "full power" hammer spring in order to achieve consistent ignition and lock time. I hope I am paraphrasing everything correctly, as I do not want to misrepresent anything. At any rate, what was being discussed in the video appeared to make sense to me, but, what do I know, as I don't shoot competition and I am not an SME.
Watched the Geissele video huh? I want you to think about one product that Mark has made that is subpar. I then want you to consider that most test targets coming out of the last batch of FDE Heavys were .5xx or less. Do you really need to ask these questions. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:28:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: urbankaos04]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Watched the Geissele video huh? I want you to think about one product that Mark has made that is subpar. I then want you to consider that most test targets coming out of the last batch of FDE Heavys were .5xx or less. Do you really need to ask these questions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO. Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? Sorry, for the question, Mark. I'm just asking, and I'll be perfectly honest with you, because I just saw a Shot Show video that highlighted that sometimes a light pull is achieved by using "softer" springs. I also learned that AMU will frown upon triggers that use "soft" hammer springs and want triggers that are using a "full power" hammer spring in order to achieve consistent ignition and lock time. I hope I am paraphrasing everything correctly, as I do not want to misrepresent anything. At any rate, what was being discussed in the video appeared to make sense to me, but, what do I know, as I don't shoot competition and I am not an SME.
Watched the Geissele video huh? I want you to think about one product that Mark has made that is subpar. I then want you to consider that most test targets coming out of the last batch of FDE Heavys were .5xx or less. Do you really need to ask these questions. Yes, that is the video that I watched. FDE Heavys? I have no clue what those are. All I know is that I have a couple of LaRue products that I really like, just bought an MBT and have two SSA triggers in existing builds, which I like for those two particular rifles. However, after watching the video, I felt like I learned something, so I thought I'd ask Mark whether his MBT shipped with a full power hammer spring. That's it. There is no hidden agenda on my part, I just wanna know if the hammer spring is a reduced power spring which is what is helping to achieve the lighter trigger pull that everyone is experiencing. And it is this lighter trigger pull that I want for my DMRish build, as I didn't want to shell out the money for one of the more expensive G triggers. I don't see the harm in asking for this specific bit of information. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:34:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
Yes, that is the video that I watched. FDE Heavys? I have no clue what those are. All I know is that I have a couple of LaRue products that I really like, just bought an MBT and have two SSA triggers in existing builds.However, after watching the video, I felt like I learned something, so I thought I'd ask Mark whether his MBT shipped with a full power hammer spring. That's it. There is no hidden agenda on my part, I just wanna know if the hammer spring is a reduced power spring which is helping to achieve the lighter trigger pull that everyone is experiencing. This lighter pull is what I was looking for when I purchased the MBT, as I didn't want to shell out the money for one of the more expensive G triggers. I don't see the harm in asking for this specific bit of information. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO. Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? Sorry, for the question, Mark. I'm just asking, and I'll be perfectly honest with you, because I just saw a Shot Show video that highlighted that sometimes a light pull is achieved by using "softer" springs. I also learned that AMU will frown upon triggers that use "soft" hammer springs and want triggers that are using a "full power" hammer spring in order to achieve consistent ignition and lock time. I hope I am paraphrasing everything correctly, as I do not want to misrepresent anything. At any rate, what was being discussed in the video appeared to make sense to me, but, what do I know, as I don't shoot competition and I am not an SME.
Watched the Geissele video huh? I want you to think about one product that Mark has made that is subpar. I then want you to consider that most test targets coming out of the last batch of FDE Heavys were .5xx or less. Do you really need to ask these questions. Yes, that is the video that I watched. FDE Heavys? I have no clue what those are. All I know is that I have a couple of LaRue products that I really like, just bought an MBT and have two SSA triggers in existing builds.However, after watching the video, I felt like I learned something, so I thought I'd ask Mark whether his MBT shipped with a full power hammer spring. That's it. There is no hidden agenda on my part, I just wanna know if the hammer spring is a reduced power spring which is helping to achieve the lighter trigger pull that everyone is experiencing. This lighter pull is what I was looking for when I purchased the MBT, as I didn't want to shell out the money for one of the more expensive G triggers. I don't see the harm in asking for this specific bit of information. Said FDE Heavy (bad pic) 
I can respect the research aspect but G isn't the only one that can make a trigger with a "full" power spring. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:36:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: urbankaos04]
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Nice rig, brother. And, yes, I understand that LaRue can also produce a good trigger. I am not disputing that. I'm just asking what I'm asking. To me, it's no different than when people ask: Hey, whose barrel blanks are you using? Hey, who makes your receivers? Hey, who nitrides the barrels that you are selling?
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:43:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
Nice rig, brother. And, yes, I understand that LaRue can also produce a good trigger. I am not disputing that. I'm just asking what I'm asking. To me, it's no different than when people ask: Hey, whose barrel blanks are you using? Hey, who makes your receivers? Hey, who nitrides the barrels that you are selling? No I understand that. Maybe I came off like I was trying to be a jerk. I wasn't. I guess what I was trying to get at was LaRue has built a brand around precision and function. I just can't imagine he would compromise function for a lighter trigger pull. Especially with the groups he's getting. That's all. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:50:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
No I understand that. Maybe I came off like I was trying to be a jerk. I wasn't. I guess what I was trying to get at was LaRue has built a brand around precision and function. I just can't imagine he would compromise function for a lighter trigger pull. Especially with the groups he's getting. That's all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Nice rig, brother. And, yes, I understand that LaRue can also produce a good trigger. I am not disputing that. I'm just asking what I'm asking. To me, it's no different than when people ask: Hey, whose barrel blanks are you using? Hey, who makes your receivers? Hey, who nitrides the barrels that you are selling? No I understand that. Maybe I came off like I was trying to be a jerk. I wasn't. I guess what I was trying to get at was LaRue has built a brand around precision and function. I just can't imagine he would compromise function for a lighter trigger pull. Especially with the groups he's getting. That's all. No offense taken, spizike9. I'm the type that just likes to ask questions, even more so after I feel that I was educated on something, which is what that video did for me. And, yes, I agree that LaRue would not skimp on function/quality in order to get a lighter trigger pull, but I would still like to hear from Mark in order to get a definitive answer. Like I said, I have two of his mounts and just bought the MBT, so it's not like I'm a Geiselle leg-humper trying to stir stuff up. I'm just trying to get my question answered.
By the way, how does your rifle shoot? That's a very nice set-up. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 10:31:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
No offense taken, spizike9. I'm the type that just likes to ask questions, even more so after I feel that I was educated on something, which is what that video did for me. And, yes, I agree that LaRue would not skimp on function/quality in order to get a lighter trigger pull, but I would still like to hear from Mark in order to get a definitive answer. Like I said, I have two of his mounts and just bought the MBT, so it's not like I'm a Geiselle leg-humper trying to stir stuff up. I'm just trying to get my question answered.
By the way, how does your rifle shoot? That's a very nice set-up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Nice rig, brother. And, yes, I understand that LaRue can also produce a good trigger. I am not disputing that. I'm just asking what I'm asking. To me, it's no different than when people ask: Hey, whose barrel blanks are you using? Hey, who makes your receivers? Hey, who nitrides the barrels that you are selling? No I understand that. Maybe I came off like I was trying to be a jerk. I wasn't. I guess what I was trying to get at was LaRue has built a brand around precision and function. I just can't imagine he would compromise function for a lighter trigger pull. Especially with the groups he's getting. That's all. No offense taken, spizike9. I'm the type that just likes to ask questions, even more so after I feel that I was educated on something, which is what that video did for me. And, yes, I agree that LaRue would not skimp on function/quality in order to get a lighter trigger pull, but I would still like to hear from Mark in order to get a definitive answer. Like I said, I have two of his mounts and just bought the MBT, so it's not like I'm a Geiselle leg-humper trying to stir stuff up. I'm just trying to get my question answered.
By the way, how does your rifle shoot? That's a very nice set-up. Haven't shot it yet. Only had itforabout a week. The test target it came with is .467 or .476. I can't remember so essentially it'll shoot better than me.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 11:29:49 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pinywoods:
I watched that video of Bill earlier today and I gotta say I thought his whole demeanor was really off putting. I don't know the guy obviously and I know a lot of people here talk highly of him, but I'm not impressed. I only have one of his products and one ALG product. I'm seriously considering selling both triggers and replacing them with MBTs. I already have two and really like them. Maybe it's Bills Yankee accent/attitude that rubs me wrong I don't know. I do know that I get Marks sense of humor if you will and I really dig his products! I guess you can call me a fanboy if you that's you're thing. On a separate note I also think the names of his mounts and charging handles are "super" gay. "Yankee accent"? Geez. You'd *love* having my "yankee accent" living next door to you. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 11:51:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Watched the Geissele video huh? I want you to think about one product that Mark has made that is subpar. I then want you to consider that most test targets coming out of the last batch of FDE Heavys were .5xx or less. Do you really need to ask these questions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO. Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? Sorry, for the question, Mark. I'm just asking, and I'll be perfectly honest with you, because I just saw a Shot Show video that highlighted that sometimes a light pull is achieved by using "softer" springs. I also learned that AMU will frown upon triggers that use "soft" hammer springs and want triggers that are using a "full power" hammer spring in order to achieve consistent ignition and lock time. I hope I am paraphrasing everything correctly, as I do not want to misrepresent anything. At any rate, what was being discussed in the video appeared to make sense to me, but, what do I know, as I don't shoot competition and I am not an SME.
Watched the Geissele video huh? I want you to think about one product that Mark has made that is subpar. I then want you to consider that most test targets coming out of the last batch of FDE Heavys were .5xx or less. Do you really need to ask these questions. My test target isn't, but together we will overcome and outshoot the shooter.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 12:26:19 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Haven't shot it yet. Only had itforabout a week. The test target it came with is .467 or .476. I can't remember so essentially it'll shoot better than me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Nice rig, brother. And, yes, I understand that LaRue can also produce a good trigger. I am not disputing that. I'm just asking what I'm asking. To me, it's no different than when people ask: Hey, whose barrel blanks are you using? Hey, who makes your receivers? Hey, who nitrides the barrels that you are selling? No I understand that. Maybe I came off like I was trying to be a jerk. I wasn't. I guess what I was trying to get at was LaRue has built a brand around precision and function. I just can't imagine he would compromise function for a lighter trigger pull. Especially with the groups he's getting. That's all. No offense taken, spizike9. I'm the type that just likes to ask questions, even more so after I feel that I was educated on something, which is what that video did for me. And, yes, I agree that LaRue would not skimp on function/quality in order to get a lighter trigger pull, but I would still like to hear from Mark in order to get a definitive answer. Like I said, I have two of his mounts and just bought the MBT, so it's not like I'm a Geiselle leg-humper trying to stir stuff up. I'm just trying to get my question answered.
By the way, how does your rifle shoot? That's a very nice set-up. Haven't shot it yet. Only had itforabout a week. The test target it came with is .467 or .476. I can't remember so essentially it'll shoot better than me. I'm betting that it's a full power spring but I'd like to hear the quick answer too. My FDE came with an almost quarter MOA target which was very nice. My Costa and PredatAR were closer to the high side. When I watched the interview, I was wondering if he was talking about accuracy issues due to reaction time or actual mechanical accuracy. Right after, they were basically talking about the rifle going bang when you pulled the trigger vs a delay, due to a change in lock time. If that's the case a slow fire with even a mil spec trigger and JP springs wouldn't affect accuracy. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 12:46:47 PM EDT
[#38]
I hear ya, but, like you, I just wanna know.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:28:19 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By n00g7:
My test target isn't, but together we will overcome and outshoot the shooter.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By n00g7:
Originally Posted By spizike9:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Mark, I bought an MBT during your recent sale, and I have one question. Does the MBT use a full power hammer spring? By the way, I also have an SPR-E and cantilever mount for my AP PRO. Thank you for your time and looking forward to receiving the MBT and using it for my SPRish build! Super Precision, Absolute Co-witness, Full Power Spring ... Must everybody be so loosely-goosey in their descriptions ? If it uses all of it's power, is it full power ? Sorry, for the question, Mark. I'm just asking, and I'll be perfectly honest with you, because I just saw a Shot Show video that highlighted that sometimes a light pull is achieved by using "softer" springs. I also learned that AMU will frown upon triggers that use "soft" hammer springs and want triggers that are using a "full power" hammer spring in order to achieve consistent ignition and lock time. I hope I am paraphrasing everything correctly, as I do not want to misrepresent anything. At any rate, what was being discussed in the video appeared to make sense to me, but, what do I know, as I don't shoot competition and I am not an SME.
Watched the Geissele video huh? I want you to think about one product that Mark has made that is subpar. I then want you to consider that most test targets coming out of the last batch of FDE Heavys were .5xx or less. Do you really need to ask these questions. My test target isn't, but together we will overcome and outshoot the shooter.I'm with ya...no worries though. I *will* outshoot the shootist with mine. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:56:11 PM EDT
[#40]
I am not ML so take this for what it is worth. I have a few 3 MBT's and they do not have anything labeled A Full Power Hammer Spring. They have a hammer spring and two others a heavy and a light. I hope this helps.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:04:20 PM EDT
[#41]
My obr has an ssa trigger in it. Might be time for me to swap. Or an ARMS mount type trade in program...
After reading the threads my guess is this is why the first tOBRs had black gold triggers. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:51:50 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Randall007:
I am not ML so take this for what it is worth. I have a few 3 MBT's and they do not have anything labeled A Full Power Hammer Spring. They have a hammer spring and two others a heavy and a light. I hope this helps. I thought they only came with one extra spring, not two. Thanks for the information. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 3:12:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mike_P]
[#43]
Why argue semantics over the description of a spring?
I've run the piss out of MBTs for over a year now with the original hammer spring and light trigger spring. Tens of thousands of rounds and I have had 0 failures of any type that could be attributed in any way, shape, or form to the trigger or any components related. Why this is even a point of contention is beyond me.  If there was a problem, I'm sure we would see some reports from the thousands of owners.
Hopefully all this hoopla isn't really over some hurt feelings because of triggers. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 3:17:04 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
I thought they only came with one extra spring, not two. Thanks for the information. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04:
Originally Posted By Randall007:
I am not ML so take this for what it is worth. I have a few 3 MBT's and they do not have anything labeled A Full Power Hammer Spring. They have a hammer spring and two others a heavy and a light. I hope this helps. I thought they only came with one extra spring, not two. Thanks for the information. They come with two trigger springs. One is heavier than the other so depending on what kind of first stage trigger pull you like you can install one over the other. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 3:42:57 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mike_P:
Why argue semantics over the description of a spring? I've run the piss out of MBTs for over a year now with the original hammer spring and light trigger spring. Tens of thousands of rounds and I have had 0 failures of any type that could be attributed in any way, shape, or form to the trigger or any components related. Why this is even a point of contention is beyond me. If there was a problem, I'm sure we would see some reports from the thousands of owners.
Hopefully all this hoopla isn't really over some hurt feelings because of triggers. This discussion stems from the BG shot show interview in which he claims that the military R&D branch will only consider a trigger group which uses a full power spring. He said, a full powered spring is required for consistent lock times. They go on to discuss how lock time affects accuracy. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 3:58:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: razARback]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kybluegrass78:
This discussion stems from the BG shot show interview in which he claims that the military R&D branch will only consider a trigger group which uses a full power spring. He said, a full powered spring is required for consistent lock times. They go on to discuss how lock time affects accuracy. Yeah, notice how #3 and #4 below really start to open up... lock time.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 4:03:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kybluegrass78:
This discussion stems from the BG shot show interview in which he claims that the military R&D branch will only consider a trigger group which uses a full power spring. He said, a full powered spring is required for consistent lock times. They go on to discuss how lock time affects accuracy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kybluegrass78:
Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Why argue semantics over the description of a spring? I've run the piss out of MBTs for over a year now with the original hammer spring and light trigger spring. Tens of thousands of rounds and I have had 0 failures of any type that could be attributed in any way, shape, or form to the trigger or any components related. Why this is even a point of contention is beyond me. If there was a problem, I'm sure we would see some reports from the thousands of owners.
Hopefully all this hoopla isn't really over some hurt feelings because of triggers. This discussion stems from the BG shot show interview in which he claims that the military R&D branch will only consider a trigger group which uses a full power spring. He said, a full powered spring is required for consistent lock times. They go on to discuss how lock time affects accuracy. I watched it. Well, most of it. I couldn't sit through the entire thing in one sitting. Bill is a good guy, and makes a bunch of great products. However, I think this entire trigger war has been blown a bit out of proportion. While I understand how the springs may affect lock time and play a small part in overall accuracy, it's not enough for people to get crazy about when all the products are clearly proven. Both companies make amazing products. There is no loser here on the customer side. As I said, it's just gotten blown out of proportion and slightly out of control. The fact that Mark has lost access to a portion of the site (Whether permanent or not) is a testament to that. Everyone was poking fun in the GD thread and it now seems to have gotten out of hand. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 5:02:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mike_P:
I watched it. Well, most of it. I couldn't sit through the entire thing in one sitting. Bill is a good guy, and makes a bunch of great products. However, I think this entire trigger war has been blown a bit out of proportion. While I understand how the springs may affect lock time and play a small part in overall accuracy, it's not enough for people to get crazy about when all the products are clearly proven. Both companies make amazing products. There is no loser here on the customer side. As I said, it's just gotten blown out of proportion and slightly out of control. The fact that Mark has lost access to a portion of the site (Whether permanent or not) is a testament to that. Everyone was poking fun in the GD thread and it now seems to have gotten out of hand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mike_P:
Originally Posted By kybluegrass78:
Originally Posted By Mike_P:
Why argue semantics over the description of a spring? I've run the piss out of MBTs for over a year now with the original hammer spring and light trigger spring. Tens of thousands of rounds and I have had 0 failures of any type that could be attributed in any way, shape, or form to the trigger or any components related. Why this is even a point of contention is beyond me. If there was a problem, I'm sure we would see some reports from the thousands of owners.
Hopefully all this hoopla isn't really over some hurt feelings because of triggers. This discussion stems from the BG shot show interview in which he claims that the military R&D branch will only consider a trigger group which uses a full power spring. He said, a full powered spring is required for consistent lock times. They go on to discuss how lock time affects accuracy. I watched it. Well, most of it. I couldn't sit through the entire thing in one sitting. Bill is a good guy, and makes a bunch of great products. However, I think this entire trigger war has been blown a bit out of proportion. While I understand how the springs may affect lock time and play a small part in overall accuracy, it's not enough for people to get crazy about when all the products are clearly proven. Both companies make amazing products. There is no loser here on the customer side. As I said, it's just gotten blown out of proportion and slightly out of control. The fact that Mark has lost access to a portion of the site (Whether permanent or not) is a testament to that. Everyone was poking fun in the GD thread and it now seems to have gotten out of hand. Well said. I agree 100%. I have a Larue lower enroute that cost me my precious Daniel Defense lower (should have bought one last spring, kicking myself). I love my MBT's but I don't have much money and I do have a spare SSA. Guess what this lower is going to be wearing? |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 5:13:51 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnLWare:
Yeah, notice how #3 and #4 below really start to open up... lock time.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/IMG_4653_zpsajm7khvs.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnLWare:
Originally Posted By kybluegrass78:
This discussion stems from the BG shot show interview in which he claims that the military R&D branch will only consider a trigger group which uses a full power spring. He said, a full powered spring is required for consistent lock times. They go on to discuss how lock time affects accuracy. Yeah, notice how #3 and #4 below really start to open up... lock time.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/IMG_4653_zpsajm7khvs.jpg Well, if you're discussing lock time I presume you're also discussing FA. I'm not sure how the two interact, but I doubt it has anything to do with 100y precision shooting either. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 5:34:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LaRue_Tactical]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UnknownPatriot:
My obr has an ssa trigger in it. Might be time for me to swap. Or an ARMS mount type trade in program...
After reading the threads my guess is this is why the first tOBRs had black gold triggers. You are wise beyond your lock time.
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