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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:19:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bulldog1967]
VCDL Legislative Update 1/23/24
On Monday, January 22, the Senate Courts of Justice committee heard and voted on nine gun-bills. The committee ran out of time, so some additional bills will be heard later. All votes were party line, with all Democrats on the committee supporting gun-control bills, ignoring the unconstitutionality of those bills, and voting against pro-gun bills. All Republicans voted against gun-control bills and supported pro-gun bills. The gun-control bills that passed out of committee are now heading to either the Senate Floor or to the Finance committee. SB2 – Deeds – bans “assault firearms” made after July 1, 2024. It also bans magazines that hold more than 10 rounds which are made after July 1, 2024. Young adults, under 21-years-old, are prohibited from possession, sale, transport, or purchase of “assault firearms.” You can bet they will come back in the future to ban older “assault firearms” if this bill is signed into law. This bill is clearly unconstitutional under the Bruen ruling and a similar law has been struck down in California for that reason. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill. The bill reported out by a vote of 9 to 6 and heads to Finance. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan - SB47 – Favola – requires a prohibited person not be able to have someone living in the same house or a young adult under 21 hold their guns until the prohibition is lifted. This gives a person less options in finding someone to hold their guns. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill. The bill reported out 9 to 6 and heads to the Senate Floor. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan - SB82 – McGuire – changes Virginia’s CHP to a concealed weapon permit (CWP), allowing permit holders to have more options for self-defense. VCDL Strongly Supported this bill. The bill was defeated 9 to 6. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan - SB100 – Ebbin – requires homemade guns to be serialized, including any such guns that already exist. The bill is unconstitutional under Bruen and a similar law in Maryland has been struck down for that reason. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill. The bill reported out 9 to 6 and heads to Finance. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan - SB273 – Subramanyam – institutes a 5-day waiting period on firearms purchases. Unconstitutional under Bruen. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill. The bill reported out 9 to 6 and heads to Finance. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan - SB363 – Ebbin – makes it a crime to possess or to sell a firearm with an altered serial number, similar to federal law. This bill is unconstitutional under Bruen. A similar law in West Virginia was struck down for that reason. VCDL Opposed this bill. The bill reported out 9 to 6 and heads to Finance. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan - SB 522 – Williams Graves – requires a person to get firearms training every 5 years to be able to purchase a firearm. This bill is unconstitutional under Bruen. A similar law in Maryland was struck down for that reason. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill. The bill reported out 9 to 6 and heads to Finance. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan - SB447 – Marsden – creates a civil fine of up to $500 if a handgun is left within view in an unattended vehicle. The vehicle can be towed if parked on a public street. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill. The bill reported out 9 to 6 and heads to the Senate Floor. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan - SB639 – Sturtevant – repeals Virginia’s Red Flag law. Senator Sturtevant did an excellent job in telling the committee why this law is unconstitutional under the 4th Amendment and for many other reasons. VCDL Strongly Supported this bill. The bill was defeated 9 to 6. Voting for gun control: Surovell, Deeds, Boysko, Bagby, Aird, Subramanyam, Carroll Foy, Perry, Salim Voting against gun control: Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake, Jordan ----------------------------------------- On Tuesday, January 21, the House K-12 subcommittee voted on HB498, Cohen, which requires schools to send a notification via text to parents about gun storage laws but also includes gun-control advocacy information as well. VCDL Opposed this bill because of the advocacy part. The bill was report out on a 9 to 2 vote and heads to the full Education committee. Voting for gun control: Simonds, Askew, Cousins, LeVere Bolling, Coyner Voting against gun control: Cherry, Green |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:31:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ambridge77]
[#1]
Suhas Subramanyam, replaced John Bell as my State Senator.
Slightly more anti-2A.  ETA - Youngkin will have to veto this shit. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:34:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Peake is my senator now. Glad he voted correctly.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:37:59 PM EDT
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I received this email today. The important part is in bold.
Dear Rookie421, Thank you for your recent e-mail in support of HB 390 and HB 395 both dealing with concealed handgun permits. I appreciate your input and letting me know of your support for these bills. Both bills have been passed-by-indefinitely by the Committee on Public Safety. The bills will no longer be considered this session of the General Assembly. As a 2nd amendment supporter and former hunter safety instructor, I’ve always tried to maintain the rights of our law abiding citizens. Again, thank you for contacting me regarding these bills. You may follow all legislation at https://virginiageneralassembly.gov. Please don’t hesitate to contact me should you have any questions or any other bills of interest to you. Sincerely, Robert D. “Bobby” Orrock, Sr. RDO/rh Jackie Price Legislative Assistant for Delegate Bobby Orrock District 66 804-698-1066 Room 1107 |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 3:53:43 PM EDT
[#4]
Have we heard anything from the governor’s office on any of this stuff? I don’t want to assume anything.
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Posted: 1/26/2024 4:17:58 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trio: Have we heard anything from the governor’s office on any of this stuff? I don’t want to assume anything. And you shouldn't assume anything. If the bills pass and are signed, the Dems win. If the bills pass and are vetoed, they have a sword to hang over his head should he run again for anything, so they win. Youngkin will have to be calculating in what he signs and doesn't. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 4:58:47 PM EDT
[#6]
Hopefully Youngkin vetoes all this shit.
But if he waffles, I'd guess it will be on the fringes, like living in the same house with a prohibited, requiring/not altering serial numbers, waiting periods, and mandatory training renewals (which pisses me off the most). |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 7:10:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ButchA61]
[#7]
sh** like this makes me want to retire somewhere AWAY from Virginia....
I always thought Virginia was a great state. I am a born, bred, YANKEE, from Upstate New York, served a career in the US Coast Guard, retired and settled in VA. What has happened in the last 25 years or so? Before you jump to conclusions.... No, no, no, no, I am *NOT* one of those crazy nut-jobs from NY! The wonderful New York that I knew in the 60's & 70's no longer exists.  In closing: For all native Virginians: As a "come-here", please accept my apology regarding all the massive influx of anti-gun liberals moving to VA. They destroyed their own state, and they are now here. Had I known, I wouldn't have said a word, "Oh, Virginia is a wonderful state! It's beautiful here! The rolling hills of the Piedmont, the Blue Ridge Mtns, the entire Virginia Beach area, etc... you have everything within a 2-3 hour drive!".  |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 7:28:27 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ButchA61: sh** like this makes me want to retire somewhere AWAY from Virginia.... I always thought Virginia was a great state. I am a born, bred, YANKEE, from Upstate New York, served a career in the US Coast Guard, retired and settled in VA. What has happened in the last 25 years or so? Before you jump to conclusions.... No, no, no, no, I am *NOT* one of those crazy nut-jobs from NY! The wonderful New York that I knew in the 60's & 70's no longer exists. In closing: For all native Virginians: As a "come-here", please accept my apology regarding all the massive influx of anti-gun liberals moving to VA. They destroyed their own state, and they are now here. Had I known, I wouldn't have said a word, "Oh, Virginia is a wonderful state! It's beautiful here! The rolling hills of the Piedmont, the Blue Ridge Mtns, the entire Virginia Beach area, etc... you have everything within a 2-3 hour drive!". There are other reasons as well but W deserves the bulk of the hate. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:21:51 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ButchA61: sh** like this makes me want to retire somewhere AWAY from Virginia.... I always thought Virginia was a great state. I am a born, bred, YANKEE, from Upstate New York, served a career in the US Coast Guard, retired and settled in VA. What has happened in the last 25 years or so? Before you jump to conclusions.... No, no, no, no, I am *NOT* one of those crazy nut-jobs from NY! The wonderful New York that I knew in the 60's & 70's no longer exists. In closing: For all native Virginians: As a "come-here", please accept my apology regarding all the massive influx of anti-gun liberals moving to VA. They destroyed their own state, and they are now here. Had I known, I wouldn't have said a word, "Oh, Virginia is a wonderful state! It's beautiful here! The rolling hills of the Piedmont, the Blue Ridge Mtns, the entire Virginia Beach area, etc... you have everything within a 2-3 hour drive!". My family moved to Vienna (Fairfax County) in 1963 when I was in 4th grade. I lived in the same neighborhood until 2010 and then moved to near Charlottesville (which has degraded in the past 10 years.) You didn't make this mess. It was Federal Government jobs--not you--that brought the perversion of big money and outsiders to the state. That and a dishonest media are our enemies. |
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Posted: 1/27/2024 5:28:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: trio]
[#10]
I agree it’s W’s fault. I was technically born here because I was born on Quantico when there was still a hospital on hospital point. But we were gone before I was 6 months old. Moved back in the 80s when my dad was stationed at the pentagon in time for me to go to high school here, then I went into the military, lived here for a while, and ended up back in NoVA in 2006…..the explosion in northern Virginia even from then until now is unreal.
My wife and I have been talking about retiring to Hawaii in the fall of 2026. My friends give me shit about retiring to an anti-gun state. I tell them that at the rate Virginia is going, after we likely get a governor Spanberger in fall of 2025, the gun laws in Hawaii will be better than in Virginia . I was at lobby day in 2020. There was a lot of pride and hope. But all we did was delay the inevitable it would seem. Sorry to be so negative. I’ve had a rough week. And I’m not seeing much hope left for gun owners in this state
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Posted: 1/27/2024 5:40:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dalle0001]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trio: I agree it’s W’s fault. I was technically born here because I was born on Quantico when there was still a hospital on hospital point. But we were gone before I was 6 months old. Moved back in the 80s when my dad was stationed at the pentagon in time for me to go to high school here, then I went into the military, lived here for a while, and ended up back in NoVA in 2006…..the explosion in northern Virginia even from then until now is unreal. My wife and I have been talking about retiring to Hawaii in the fall of 2026. My friends give me shit about retiring to an anti-gun state. I tell them that at the rate Virginia is going, after we likely get a governor Spanberger in fall of 2025, the gun laws in Hawaii will be better than in Virginia . I was at lobby day in 2020. There was a lot of pride and hope. But all we did was delay the inevitable it would seem. Sorry to be so negative. I’ve had a rough week. And I’m not seeing much hope left for gun owners in this stateKeep in mind only 39% of register voters actually voted in 2023 November's election. Also keep in mind that a large majority of gun owners don't even know of the bills proposed. I watched Wavy and they were explaining about some of the bills coming and not once mentioned the gun bills. I did managed to have a talk to one person at the gun range regarding the upcoming bills. He didn't know about it but also he said he's not too worried about it because there's nothing he can do about it. Soooooooooooooooooooooooo....... like what happened in most states that pass AWBs and other gun control bills...... is that 1) most people don't know.... and 2) most people didn't vote anyways. As a matter of fact it's often so surprising that not even the police department really knows or even how to respond to something. As I've been telling people who are surprised by it or even surprised by the increases in crimes in some places that normally don't have any... congratulations... you got exactly what you voted for. By not voting, you're essentially agreeing with whatever happens by default. We can totally beat this too if 1) we all voted, and 2) we got people to vote. Until we have a near 98+% of people voting, really we're getting exactly what we voted for. Also, have a great trip to Hawaii. We don't really need people like you around to help us and we certainly don't need you to enjoy any of our hard earned battles. For me, I grew up in Virginia and I'll be damned if I see it go down the shitter. |
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Posted: 1/27/2024 5:50:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dalle0001]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ButchA61: sh** like this makes me want to retire somewhere AWAY from Virginia.... I always thought Virginia was a great state. I am a born, bred, YANKEE, from Upstate New York, served a career in the US Coast Guard, retired and settled in VA. What has happened in the last 25 years or so? Before you jump to conclusions.... No, no, no, no, I am *NOT* one of those crazy nut-jobs from NY! The wonderful New York that I knew in the 60's & 70's no longer exists. In closing: For all native Virginians: As a "come-here", please accept my apology regarding all the massive influx of anti-gun liberals moving to VA. They destroyed their own state, and they are now here. Had I known, I wouldn't have said a word, "Oh, Virginia is a wonderful state! It's beautiful here! The rolling hills of the Piedmont, the Blue Ridge Mtns, the entire Virginia Beach area, etc... you have everything within a 2-3 hour drive!". I don't get this mentality. With 39% of people voting, we absolutely could have beaten this. This doesn't have anything to do with big money. Alec Baldwin didn't go door to door this time asking if his revolver was loaded. This is entirely on us. We can beat this if we all go vote and tell our friends to vote and our family to go vote. With such a mentality like this it makes me want to start asking if you can prove you actually voted in 2023's election. If not, hope you have a great retirement elsewhere. Hope you have a safe trip getting that uhaul too. You don't need to wave on your way out too. |
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Posted: 1/28/2024 2:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: Keep in mind only 39% of register voters actually voted in 2023 November's election. Also keep in mind that a large majority of gun owners don't even know of the bills proposed. I watched Wavy and they were explaining about some of the bills coming and not once mentioned the gun bills. I did managed to have a talk to one person at the gun range regarding the upcoming bills. He didn't know about it but also he said he's not too worried about it because there's nothing he can do about it. Soooooooooooooooooooooooo....... like what happened in most states that pass AWBs and other gun control bills...... is that 1) most people don't know.... and 2) most people didn't vote anyways. As a matter of fact it's often so surprising that not even the police department really knows or even how to respond to something. As I've been telling people who are surprised by it or even surprised by the increases in crimes in some places that normally don't have any... congratulations... you got exactly what you voted for. By not voting, you're essentially agreeing with whatever happens by default. We can totally beat this too if 1) we all voted, and 2) we got people to vote. Until we have a near 98+% of people voting, really we're getting exactly what we voted for. Also, have a great trip to Hawaii. We don't really need people like you around to help us and we certainly don't need you to enjoy any of our hard earned battles. For me, I grew up in Virginia and I'll be damned if I see it go down the shitter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By trio: I agree it’s W’s fault. I was technically born here because I was born on Quantico when there was still a hospital on hospital point. But we were gone before I was 6 months old. Moved back in the 80s when my dad was stationed at the pentagon in time for me to go to high school here, then I went into the military, lived here for a while, and ended up back in NoVA in 2006…..the explosion in northern Virginia even from then until now is unreal. My wife and I have been talking about retiring to Hawaii in the fall of 2026. My friends give me shit about retiring to an anti-gun state. I tell them that at the rate Virginia is going, after we likely get a governor Spanberger in fall of 2025, the gun laws in Hawaii will be better than in Virginia . I was at lobby day in 2020. There was a lot of pride and hope. But all we did was delay the inevitable it would seem. Sorry to be so negative. I’ve had a rough week. And I’m not seeing much hope left for gun owners in this stateKeep in mind only 39% of register voters actually voted in 2023 November's election. Also keep in mind that a large majority of gun owners don't even know of the bills proposed. I watched Wavy and they were explaining about some of the bills coming and not once mentioned the gun bills. I did managed to have a talk to one person at the gun range regarding the upcoming bills. He didn't know about it but also he said he's not too worried about it because there's nothing he can do about it. Soooooooooooooooooooooooo....... like what happened in most states that pass AWBs and other gun control bills...... is that 1) most people don't know.... and 2) most people didn't vote anyways. As a matter of fact it's often so surprising that not even the police department really knows or even how to respond to something. As I've been telling people who are surprised by it or even surprised by the increases in crimes in some places that normally don't have any... congratulations... you got exactly what you voted for. By not voting, you're essentially agreeing with whatever happens by default. We can totally beat this too if 1) we all voted, and 2) we got people to vote. Until we have a near 98+% of people voting, really we're getting exactly what we voted for. Also, have a great trip to Hawaii. We don't really need people like you around to help us and we certainly don't need you to enjoy any of our hard earned battles. For me, I grew up in Virginia and I'll be damned if I see it go down the shitter. I’ve been here for 18 years. I’ve voted in every primary. And every election. I’ve canvassed. I’ve been a member of the VCDL the entire time. I’ve been to lobby day multiple times. I’ve been to county board meetings. I’ve donated my time and money, helped with candidates at the state and local level. People like me? What you’ve needed is more people like me.I’ve tried to be part of the solution the entire time I’ve lived here. And when I move I’ll try and improve the situation there too. Your anger is understandable but misdirected. I’ll give you a pass because I’m as frustrated as you are, but maybe take a look at the room as it were and consider who you’re talking to. And if that doesn’t wake you up, then kiss my ass. |
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Posted: 1/28/2024 2:52:34 PM EDT
[#14]
It's probably more telling who is not in the room here.
Or what's not being put up in gun stores and ranges. |
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Posted: 1/28/2024 3:14:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ambridge77]
[#15]
I'd rather not have us fight amongst ourselves.
I understand the frustration of people who want to leave an increasingly anti-2A Commonwealth, and those who will never leave under any circumstances. It doesn't matter where you're from originally, just do what you can for Virginia's right to keep and bear arms. I'm probably the biggest hypocrite. Born in PA, Army brat - lived in FL and NJ, W. Germany, then back to PA. I've lived in VA for nearly 46 years now after my mother remarried. I was so late to pro-2A, it's embarrassing. It took just one person to set me on a gun rights path... just one. I was young and newly married, I didn't think beyond that, but a very persistent pro-2A mentor opened my mind. At the very least, be someone who teaches someone to "get it." Virginia is my home. If I'm going to leave it, it'll be because I want to move to a place that fits my life, and not because I'm fleeing tyranny. Save our proverbial gunpowder for those who would disarm us. |
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Posted: 1/28/2024 3:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: I don't get this mentality. With 39% of people voting, we absolutely could have beaten this. This doesn't have anything to do with big money. Alec Baldwin didn't go door to door this time asking if his revolver was loaded. This is entirely on us. Both of these things ARE true. Turnout was low. AND millions of outside money was spent to make it happen. |
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Posted: 1/28/2024 4:20:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: Both of these things ARE true. Turnout was low. AND millions of outside money was spent to make it happen. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: Originally Posted By dalle0001: I don't get this mentality. With 39% of people voting, we absolutely could have beaten this. This doesn't have anything to do with big money. Alec Baldwin didn't go door to door this time asking if his revolver was loaded. This is entirely on us. Both of these things ARE true. Turnout was low. AND millions of outside money was spent to make it happen. Yep. What is VCDL's annual take in Vs even just the Porno mommies? Bloomberg, Gates, Soros, Bezos, Zuckerfag. Our side simply doesn't have the funding of one, let alone all of them. |
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Posted: 1/28/2024 7:35:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ambridge77]
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My vote was never bought.
Stop blaming outside donor money and start holding idiots and the lazy voters accountable. ETA - My post seems harsher than it should've been - when I re-read it the next morning at 0500. Apparently I get cranky when I need a nap. 
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Posted: 1/28/2024 9:26:42 PM EDT
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I don't think you can dismiss the impact of ourside money.
Outside money has definitely plays a role in shaping the current state of the Commonwealth. You need look no further than the Soros-backed DAs. While I can't claim to speak on all of them, in Fairfax Co. Ray Morrogh was primaried by Descano thanks in no small part to Soros money telling people to vote for Descano and reform things like cash bail, felonies for thefts under $1,000, etc. By the time the people who could have stopped this by voting in the Dem primary realized what had happened it was too late. The majority of Fairfax Co. will vote D just because they'll never vote R, and so unless Descano gets primaried, we'll be stuck with him thanks to Soros who got what he wanted. "FAIRFAX COUNTY, Va. (7News) — New data from the Fairfax County Circuit Court shows that under Fairfax County Commonwealth’s Attorney Steve Descano, fewer felony cases were sent to trial, more felony charges have been dismissed and dropped, and there have been fewer guilty verdicts on felony charges compared to his predecessor’s final three years in office even though several categories of major crimes are up in Fairfax County." |
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Posted: 1/29/2024 9:17:35 PM EDT
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Good news the recent vcdl email seems to suggest Youngkin won’t sign gun control bills and want to focus on criminals. My guess is the democrats will pass it knowing it’ll veto but use it as a talking point next election.
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Posted: 1/29/2024 9:19:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dalle0001]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rocky480: I don't think you can dismiss the impact of ourside money. Outside money has definitely plays a role in shaping the current state of the Commonwealth. You need look no further than the Soros-backed DAs. While I can't claim to speak on all of them, in Fairfax Co. Ray Morrogh was primaried by Descano thanks in no small part to Soros money telling people to vote for Descano and reform things like cash bail, felonies for thefts under $1,000, etc. By the time the people who could have stopped this by voting in the Dem primary realized what had happened it was too late. The majority of Fairfax Co. will vote D just because they'll never vote R, and so unless Descano gets primaried, we'll be stuck with him thanks to Soros who got what he wanted. "FAIRFAX COUNTY, Va. (7News) — New data from the Fairfax County Circuit Court shows that under Fairfax County Commonwealth’s Attorney Steve Descano, fewer felony cases were sent to trial, more felony charges have been dismissed and dropped, and there have been fewer guilty verdicts on felony charges compared to his predecessor’s final three years in office even though several categories of major crimes are up in Fairfax County." Yes that’s one of the big points for people who say they want to move. Guess what? It’s going to follow you. Nova consists of people tired of dc and ny and guess what? They’ll tire of Virginia soon due to crimes and taxes. They’ll be going south and into nc and west Virginia. Blooomberg and Soros are both making it clear they plan to buy out one state at a time and a lot of people don’t know or don’t care. Someday a rich person will buy this country. We need to make a stand at some point. Maybe you guys will pass on but I’ll be old enough to see it if you guys let it. |
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Posted: 1/29/2024 9:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: Yes that’s one of the big points for people who say they want to move. Guess what? It’s going to follow you. Nova consists of people tired of dc and ny and guess what? They’ll tire of Virginia soon due to crimes and taxes. They’ll be going south and into nc and west Virginia. Blooomberg and Soros are both making it clear they plan to buy out one state at a time and a lot of people don’t know or don’t care. Someday a rich person will buy this country. We need to make a stand at some point. Maybe you guys will pass on but I’ll be old enough to see it if you guys let it. They're in much of NC already, so it's also pretty late for them, just saying. |
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Posted: 1/29/2024 9:25:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: Good news the recent vcdl email seems to suggest Youngkin won’t sign gun control bills and want to focus on criminals. My guess is the democrats will pass it knowing it’ll veto but use it as a talking point next election. Having Youngkin veto the bills they pass will be used to disqualify him from other higher office. That's the goal. If he signs it, they win. If he vetoes, they win. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 6:34:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ambridge77]
[#24]
Democrat voters won't vote for Youngkin
regardless if he signs or vetoes. If the squishy middle independent voters vote against Youngkin over pro-Constitution vetoes, then fuck them. ETA - Don't discount open border and mass immigration in addition to more government bureaucrats moving here for VA's downfall. I'm not painting with a broad brush on immigrants, but for every Winsome Earle-Sears or Hung Cao, I put up with many anti-Constitution Suhas Subramanyam(s) or Kannan Srinivasan(s). |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:41:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dalle0001]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By homeyclaus: Having Youngkin veto the bills they pass will be used to disqualify him from other higher office. That's the goal. If he signs it, they win. If he vetoes, they win. No, what they're really doing is seeing how far they can get away. They know Virginia is dangerously going to blue and they're seeing how much they can make the right side move to see what they can pass next election. Remember Soros and Bloomberg paid these guys big bucks to pass bills no matter what and to get into office no matter what. That's why many of them are aggressively going after these hot topics. It's like the little kid with a cookie jar. You tell him not to put his hands in the cookie jar, and he slowly puts it in there to reach for a cookie while watching for your reaction. If you do nothing, he knows he'll get away with anything else but if you do something, he'll just resent you but he'll listen to you in the future. Now it's up to us next election. Are you going to let them get away with such behavior? Or are you going to leave Virginia with your tail between your legs like a little girl? One guy is going to Hawaii already so it seems like we are. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:43:37 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: No, what they're really doing is seeing how far they can get away. They know Virginia is dangerously going to blue and they're seeing how much they can make the right side move to see what they can pass next election. It's like the little kid with a cookie jar. You tell him not to put his hands in the cookie jar, and he slowly puts it in there to reach for a cookie while watching for your reaction. If you do nothing, he knows he'll get away with anything else but if you do something, he'll just resent you but he'll listen to you in the future. Now it's up to us next election. Are you going to let them get away with such behavior? Or are you going to leave Virginia with your tail between your legs like a little girl? One guy is going to Hawaii already so it seems like we are. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Having Youngkin veto the bills they pass will be used to disqualify him from other higher office. That's the goal. If he signs it, they win. If he vetoes, they win. No, what they're really doing is seeing how far they can get away. They know Virginia is dangerously going to blue and they're seeing how much they can make the right side move to see what they can pass next election. It's like the little kid with a cookie jar. You tell him not to put his hands in the cookie jar, and he slowly puts it in there to reach for a cookie while watching for your reaction. If you do nothing, he knows he'll get away with anything else but if you do something, he'll just resent you but he'll listen to you in the future. Now it's up to us next election. Are you going to let them get away with such behavior? Or are you going to leave Virginia with your tail between your legs like a little girl? One guy is going to Hawaii already so it seems like we are. Abortion will win Va for the Dems in '25. It is quite honestly all they have and it works. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:48:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dalle0001]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: Abortion will win Va for the Dems in '25. It is quite honestly all they have and it works. Yeah, that's what I've been saying about the national election that a lot of people are talking about Trump winning but the entire abortion topic is going to drive voters out to the booth. We're going to get smashed this November nationally too. The funny part is that while Virginia dems ran on that platform, I don't see that many bills coming through that addresses this. So voters should be upset that they're going after agenda topics. Personally I think the entire dems base is going to run with that idea that they can get into office in the next 5-10 years so long as they keep the abortion topic and do nothing about it. Keep in mind though only 39% of voters came out this election cycle. We need more voters out. The 39% is a increase too because of the abortion topic. The rest of us are either busy moving to Hawaii or sitting down at home during election day. We really need to come together next time. With such a low turn out, all it takes is a drive for one issue to really set the difference. |
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Posted: 2/2/2024 10:26:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: Yeah, that's what I've been saying about the national election that a lot of people are talking about Trump winning but the entire abortion topic is going to drive voters out to the booth. We're going to get smashed this November nationally too. The funny part is that while Virginia dems ran on that platform, I don't see that many bills coming through that addresses this. So voters should be upset that they're going after agenda topics. Personally I think the entire dems base is going to run with that idea that they can get into office in the next 5-10 years so long as they keep the abortion topic and do nothing about it. Keep in mind though only 39% of voters came out this election cycle. We need more voters out. The 39% is a increase too because of the abortion topic. The rest of us are either busy moving to Hawaii or sitting down at home during election day. We really need to come together next time. With such a low turn out, all it takes is a drive for one issue to really set the difference. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Abortion will win Va for the Dems in '25. It is quite honestly all they have and it works. Yeah, that's what I've been saying about the national election that a lot of people are talking about Trump winning but the entire abortion topic is going to drive voters out to the booth. We're going to get smashed this November nationally too. The funny part is that while Virginia dems ran on that platform, I don't see that many bills coming through that addresses this. So voters should be upset that they're going after agenda topics. Personally I think the entire dems base is going to run with that idea that they can get into office in the next 5-10 years so long as they keep the abortion topic and do nothing about it. Keep in mind though only 39% of voters came out this election cycle. We need more voters out. The 39% is a increase too because of the abortion topic. The rest of us are either busy moving to Hawaii or sitting down at home during election day. We really need to come together next time. With such a low turn out, all it takes is a drive for one issue to really set the difference. They don't have to pass pro-abortion bills. Just like on the national level the Dems never put forth legislation that makes abortion legal in all 50 states, the VA Dems don't HAVE to put forward legislation. All they have to run on is the idea that if Rs get in they WILL put anti-abortion legislation forward. Them holding the reigns just means nothing will change. Politicians are fucks. Full stop. They do what gives them the best chance to get elected and re-elected. That is all. Ds ran on "Rs are gonna make abortion illegal. Elect us and they can't!" and they won. They didn't run on "we'll put a law in place that says nobody can ever take your baby murder away!" They're doing what they said they'd do, which is make sure Rs don't pass anti-abortion legislation. It's not all that dissimilar to places like Texas and Florida, with R super majorities, that still have to claw pro-2A bills through their state houses. They should be slam dunks for 2A laws getting passed...but see above ref politicians being fucks. |
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Posted: 2/3/2024 5:26:33 AM EDT
[#29]
Votes are being cast along party lines.
Please post any and all shitbag Republican or "pro-gun" Democrats (oxymoron) that vote anti-2A. |
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Posted: 2/3/2024 10:19:43 AM EDT
[#30]
The time of fleeing states is over. There will be nowhere to hide in the future. I had a long post typed out but with the pure anger that is burning inside me I am going to refrain from posting my feelings right now. So I am going to just leave this here.
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Posted: 2/3/2024 1:13:39 PM EDT
[#31]
Walker has responded to 2 emails. He will be voting against the anti 2a BS and voting for the pro 2a.
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Posted: 2/3/2024 2:08:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: Walker has responded to 2 emails. He will be voting against the anti 2a BS and voting for the pro 2a.  |
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Posted: 2/3/2024 2:09:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stanprophet09: The time of fleeing states is over. There will be nowhere to hide in the future. I had a long post typed out but with the pure anger that is burning inside me I am going to refrain from posting my feelings right now. So I am going to just leave this here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/199367/IMG_9463_png-3116676.JPG Exactly. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 1:14:58 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: George W Bush happened. You cant explode the fed gov and not expect to get fucked. There are other reasons as well but W deserves the bulk of the hate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: Originally Posted By ButchA61: sh** like this makes me want to retire somewhere AWAY from Virginia.... I always thought Virginia was a great state. I am a born, bred, YANKEE, from Upstate New York, served a career in the US Coast Guard, retired and settled in VA. What has happened in the last 25 years or so? Before you jump to conclusions.... No, no, no, no, I am *NOT* one of those crazy nut-jobs from NY! The wonderful New York that I knew in the 60's & 70's no longer exists. In closing: For all native Virginians: As a "come-here", please accept my apology regarding all the massive influx of anti-gun liberals moving to VA. They destroyed their own state, and they are now here. Had I known, I wouldn't have said a word, "Oh, Virginia is a wonderful state! It's beautiful here! The rolling hills of the Piedmont, the Blue Ridge Mtns, the entire Virginia Beach area, etc... you have everything within a 2-3 hour drive!". There are other reasons as well but W deserves the bulk of the hate. This. I was a kid/teen in the late 90s and early 00’s. I watched farm fields, yes corn fields (if you can believe it) get bulldozed under in southern Fairfax county and turned into tract housing. I lived right off of 123 and remember when it was a 2 lane road. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 1:16:32 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stanprophet09: The time of fleeing states is over. There will be nowhere to hide in the future. I had a long post typed out but with the pure anger that is burning inside me I am going to refrain from posting my feelings right now. So I am going to just leave this here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/199367/IMG_9463_png-3116676.JPG You’re not alone, always remember that. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 11:21:03 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: Walker has responded to 2 emails. He will be voting against the anti 2a BS and voting for the pro 2a. Sweet! There's no way in hell my shitbird reps in Alexandria will vote no to anti-2A legislation, but I still send all the emails from VCDL, GOA, and FPC to let them know they have people in their areas who still like freedom. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 12:55:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Sweet! There's no way in hell my shitbird reps in Alexandria will vote no to anti-2A legislation, but I still send all the emails from VCDL, GOA, and FPC to let them know they have people in their areas who still like freedom. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Walker has responded to 2 emails. He will be voting against the anti 2a BS and voting for the pro 2a. Sweet! There's no way in hell my shitbird reps in Alexandria will vote no to anti-2A legislation, but I still send all the emails from VCDL, GOA, and FPC to let them know they have people in their areas who still like freedom. He's an old white guy but he at least walked my neighborhood when he was running last time. That said, i think he won something like 55-60% so we are a pretty safe red area, however, the Karens have exploded over the last 20 years. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 7:46:14 PM EDT
[#38]
AWB passed. Sure the Senate’s version will pass as well. Time to start blowing Youngkin’s email and phones up.
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Posted: 2/6/2024 8:17:22 AM EDT
[#39]
The latest VCDL email sure has a lot of Dem efforts to disarm decent people; they never give up or rest.
The stories of the Repub delegates who cast anti-2A votes by mistake is hard to imagine. You'd hope that they would do their jobs and know what they are voting on and get it right. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 9:39:14 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ducbsa: The latest VCDL email sure has a lot of Dem efforts to disarm decent people; they never give up or rest. The stories of the Repub delegates who cast anti-2A votes by mistake is hard to imagine. You'd hope that they would do their jobs and know what they are voting on and get it right. The Va GOP, at best, is incompetent for the most part. I also don't really believe their votes were mistakes. I have to laugh at the latest VCDL email stating something along the lines of they couldn't believe how many bills the Dems have brought forth. Well yea, the Dems have gone all in on anti gun and purged out a few that were less than 100% anti gun, who in the fuck couldn't see that they want Va to be worse than NY, Cali, IL, or MD in regards to guns. Basically we need SCOTUS to finally take an AWB while Thomas and Alito are on the court, as the 4th will rule for AWB, whenever they get around to ruling on the MD case. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 5:02:10 PM EDT
[#41]
Not unexpected, but I'm really disgusted with my
"Commonwealth," its politicians, and and their idiotic, moronic supportive voters right now. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 5:05:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stanprophet09: The time of fleeing states is over. There will be nowhere to hide in the future. I had a long post typed out but with the pure anger that is burning inside me I am going to refrain from posting my feelings right now. So I am going to just leave this here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/199367/IMG_9463_png-3116676.JPG |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 5:19:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ambridge77]
[#43]
All my VA state and federal representatives have, in political speech,
told me to get fucked. EDIT - Local shitty leftist WRC NBC Channel 4 News is accusing us of promoting violence. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 7:38:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: All my VA state and federal representatives have, in political speech, told me to get fucked. EDIT - Local shitty leftist WRC NBC Channel 4 News is accusing us of promoting violence. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 8:17:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2024 4:09:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2024 6:49:07 AM EDT
[#47]
The Governor's site doesn't give any very appropriate categories for this, but you have to try.
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Posted: 2/8/2024 9:22:47 AM EDT
[#48]
I did get a canned email response so the linked email address for the governor is right.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 8:28:17 PM EDT
[#49]
So sorry you guys are going thru this. I spent a couple of years on VA in the 2000s, and thought it was a pretty nice state. But, even back then I could see the drift to the Left.
Unfortunately, the cancer that is NoVa, is filled with government employees and contractors. While not all are Leftists, the majority think a larger and more powerful government is a good thing. And the peasants must be disarmed. I was raised in CT. I watched it go from a great, middle ground politically state, to California with shitty weather and polluted beaches. Hell, many of the gun companies in the country were located here (before the Dems drove them out). Our taxes and gun laws were great, but then the Dems took over. Bottom line, I hope your Gov vetos this POS, but it is only a matter of time, given the NoVa cancer. NEVER vote for ANY Democrat for ANY office. That’s how it starts. Welcome to what we affectionately call “Behind enemy lines”. |
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Posted: 2/12/2024 2:06:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Watched a video from Washington gun law on youtube. Says the Va AWB is verbatim what Washington passed. Guess Bloomberg's group is just going around writing laws for the dems.
Also I believe it will ban threaded barrels for pistols. Man what a crock of shit. |
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