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Posted: 11/30/2023 8:34:41 AM EDT
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GOSAFE Act

Link Posted: 11/30/2023 8:45:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: drok556] [#1]
Thats a big f no.  Too many “Ds” and those same dumb talking point they spout out.

-Establishing a list of prohibited firearms;
-Preventing unlawful modifications of permissible firearms;
-Mandating that future gas-operated designs are approved before manufacture; and  
-Preventing unlawful firearm self-assembly and manufacturing.  

The bill would limit the number of rounds that large capacity ammunition feeding devices are permitted to carry to 10 rounds of ammunition or fewer.  Additionally, the GOSAFE Act makes conversion devices, including bump stocks and Glock switches, unlawful.


Idk how stopping law abiding citizens from owning more than a 10 rd mag will save lives …. Hmm
Link Posted: 11/30/2023 10:31:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Of course the whole thing is more than useless, but can it be stopped? Apparently King has "been working on the bill for a long time", simply awaiting a tragedy to exploit, I guess. Golden will be right on board, as I'm fairly sure Collins will be. I can't imagine Mills won't sign it if it hits her desk. All because one mentally deranged person, who was already known to be dangerous by his family, local law enforcement, AND the federal government, killed a bunch of people.

Sad that we appear to be on the cusp of joining the club of NE states with ridiculous firearms laws.
Link Posted: 11/30/2023 10:55:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: drok556] [#3]
Yeah no kidding.

Was that just for the state? With other senators from other states made it sound like it was for the country. Idk
Link Posted: 11/30/2023 11:19:42 AM EDT
[#4]
This is a bill at the federal level, not state. One way to see how likely a bill is to actually pass is to look at the number of cosponsors. If half the Senate or House cosponsors something, it will probably get through. Bills like this, with two or three cosponsors, fail early and are never even voted on. So, this GOSAFE act is dead on arrival and basically political posturing. A couple of years ago King cosponsored a federal magazine ban, which had something like 25 cosponsors - it never went anywhere.

The state level is a different matter entirely. It's also something that regular people can have a direct effect on. Gun Owners of Maine maintains a state legislature tracker  on their website. You can follow the links to the pages for each bill on the legislature's website, where you can see what the bill status is in committee, submit written testimony for each bill, etc. Gun Owners of Maine also has a sign-up  on their website for receiving alerts; they're very good about not spamming your email, but will send out communications when it really matters.

As much disgust and dread as I feel now, loss is not inevitable. There were several gun control bills attempted back in June at the state level this year (background checks, waiting periods, binary trigger ban), and all of them were defeated in the legislature. For comparison, Nevada has so far still avoided most of the nastiest gun control there, even after Vegas, and it's also a rural state currently controlled by Democrats.
Link Posted: 11/30/2023 11:28:01 AM EDT
[#5]
The state legislature is out of session right now, until January 4th. So, there aren't any bills up for consideration at the state house yet.
Link Posted: 11/30/2023 11:33:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By nutation:
This is a bill at the federal level, not state. One way to see how likely a bill is to actually pass is to look at the number of cosponsors. If half the Senate or House cosponsors something, it will probably get through. Bills like this, with two or three cosponsors, fail early and are never even voted on. So, this GOSAFE act is dead on arrival and basically political posturing. A couple of years ago King cosponsored a federal magazine ban, which had something like 25 cosponsors - it never went anywhere.

The state level is a different matter entirely. It's also something that regular people can have a direct effect on. Gun Owners of Maine maintains a state legislature tracker  on their website. You can follow the links to the pages for each bill on the legislature's website, where you can see what the bill status is in committee, submit written testimony for each bill, etc. Gun Owners of Maine also has a sign-up  on their website for receiving alerts; they're very good about not spamming your email, but will send out communications when it really matters.

As much disgust and dread as I feel now, loss is not inevitable. There were several gun control bills attempted back in June at the state level this year (background checks, waiting periods, binary trigger ban), and all of them were defeated in the legislature. For comparison, Nevada has so far still avoided most of the nastiest gun control there, even after Vegas, and it's also a rural state currently controlled by Democrats.
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Ah, well, that's "good" news. The multiple articles in the Morning Sentinel this morning (behind a paywall, so I didn't link them), heavily implied it was his bill and was in response to the events in Lisbon. I find the last couple of lines (which I've bolded) very telling.

Here's text from the article:  About one month after Maine’s deadliest mass shooting, Sen. Angus King, I-Maine is proposing a limit on the number of bullets a gun can hold as part of new legislation to regulate how firearms are manufactured and sold in the United States.

The bill being introduced Thursday, called the GOSAFE Act, is different than what’s commonly known as an assault weapons ban because it regulates how guns are made rather than banning specific models. Rifles and shotguns would be barred from having magazines that carry more than 10 rounds, while handguns could carry up to 15 rounds. Some high-capacity magazines used in mass shootings have carried 25 to 50 rounds or more.


U.S. Sen. Angus King Gregory Rec/Staff Photographer

In an interview this week with the Portland Press Herald, King said the GOSAFE Act is a more effective approach because gun manufacturers can get around bans on specific weapons by slightly altering guns and building new models. King said the approach taken by the GOSAFE Act took years of work collaborating with Sen. Martin Heinrich, D-New Mexico, the bill’s other primary sponsor, to close loopholes to ensure that gun manufacturers would have to comply.

King said it was a coincidence that he and Heinrich were finishing the details of the bill when the Lewiston mass shootings occurred on Oct. 25.

“Lewiston simply strengthened my resolve,” King said. “It redoubled my commitment to dealing with this issue.”


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Gunman Robert Card killed 18 people and injured 13 more at two locations in Lewiston, and in at least one location used an AR-10 assault-style rifle. He was found in a trailer in Lisbon two days later, dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

King said if the proposed bill becomes law, the weapon used in the shootings would be illegal to purchase.

The tragedy – one of hundreds of mass shootings in the United States over the past 25 years – has spurred more support for gun reform, including by Rep. Jared Golden, D-2nd District. Golden, who lives in Lewiston, publicly declared that he had reversed his position and now supports an assault weapons ban. Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-1st District, had been the only member of Maine’s congressional delegation to consistently support an assault weapons ban and other gun safety reforms.

Maine lawmakers also are preparing to debate new gun safety laws at the state level, perhaps including an assault weapons ban, when the Legislature reconvenes in January.

The legislation being unveiled in Congress on Thursday is the first major foray into gun reform legislation spearheaded by King.

COLLINS REVIEWING BILL


Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, is reviewing King’s bill, but has not yet taken a position. She has supported a ban on high-capacity magazines and echoed arguments made by King that restrictions should focus more on the functionality of assault-style weapons than on individual models.

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“Senator Collins recognizes the time and effort that went into developing this proposal from Senators Heinrich and King, and she will carefully consider it,” Annie Clark, a Collins spokeswoman, said in an email response to questions.

King has previously supported some gun control measures, but opposed the pending bill to ban more than 200 specific models of military-style assault weapons.

He said Maine has a long history of responsible gun ownership and hunting traditions that should be honored.

“Nothing in this bill affects the traditional gun culture we have in Maine,” King said, pointing out that state hunting laws mandate no more than five rounds in a hunting rifle, and hunters can carry one spare round.


President Biden walks toward a nearby helicopter with first lady Dr. Jill Biden after arriving in Maine at the Brunswick Executive Airport on Friday. The Bidens are followed by U.S. Sens. Angus King and Susan Collins and U.S. Rep. Chellie Pingree. Shawn Patrick Ouellette/Staff Photographer

Heinrich, who took part in the Press Herald interview with King, said that the bill balances Second Amendment gun rights with finding a way to minimize mass shootings.”How do we draw the line between what is unusually dangerous and contributes to large-scale shootings, and differentiate that from the tools everyday Americans use for self-defense, hunting and shooting?” Heinrich said. He said the bill accomplishes that complex task.


King said that they worked on the bill for years – starting in 2019 and with major work on the granular details since 2021 – in order for the bill to hold up in court and make sure there weren’t any loopholes for gun manufacturers.

BILL DETAILS

According to a summary of the bill provided by King’s office, magazines must be “permanently fixed, meaning the firearm cannot accept a detachable, high-capacity magazine that would increase the number of rounds that can be fired before reloading and make reloading easier.”

Bump stocks, which allow semi-automatic weapons to fire at a faster rate, also would be banned.

While guns that don’t meet the regulations could no longer be sold, resold or manufactured under the bill, those who already own such guns could keep them or pass them on to family members. There also would be a federal gun buyback program so that people could turn in guns that don’t meet the regulations, and get money back for doing so. The buyback is intended to “prevent stockpiling of these lethal firearms and large capacity magazines,” according to the bill’s summary.

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Mark Collins, the federal policy director for Brady United Against Gun Violence, which advocates for gun safety regulations, said the group supports the GOSAFE Act, as well as the pending assault weapons ban.

He said King’s bill is an “elegant” solution to reform gun laws.
“This focuses on the functionality on the firearm itself,” Collins said. “It’s a different way of doing it (compared to an assault weapons ban), but it’s a very effective way of doing  it.”
Collins said the bill took a long time to write because “there are lots of different types of firearms, and different types of ways that they work.”

The proposal is certain to face strong resistance from gun rights advocates, however.

Dave Workman, spokesman for the Second Amendment Foundation, a Bellevue, Washington, group that advocates for gun rights, said proposals to limit magazines to 10 rounds are “feel good” bills that don’t accomplish anything. He said it doesn’t stop gun owners from reloading.

“The 10-round magazine limit really is an arbitrary number for which there has never been a reasonable explanation,” Workman said. “The idea that forcing somebody to have just a 10-round magazine because you think it will require him to reload is really nonsense.”

COULD IT PASS?

Gun control bills are typically difficult to shepherd through Congress, with Republicans often unified in opposition. However, with numerous mass shootings in recent years – including in Lewiston; Las Vegas; Newtown, Connecticut; Parkland, Florida; and Uvalde, Texas, among other cities – polling shows strong public support for reforms, including restrictions on assault weapons.

“The only building where gun reform is remotely controversial is the U.S. Capitol,” Collins said.

He said the GOSAFE Act, because it’s not an outright ban on assault weapons, has a chance to be bipartisan and attract Republican support.

However, so far there are no Republican co-sponsors, although the bill is just now being introduced.

King and Heinrich said they are working on lobbying fellow senators, including Republicans, to support the bill.

Sen. Collins supported the initial assault weapons ban, which passed in 1994 before she was elected to her first term in 1996. That law was allowed to sunset in 2004 and she voted against another ban that was proposed in 2013, saying it was overly broad and focused on the cosmetics of guns rather than their functionality.

Brian Duff, a political science professor at the University of New England, said the bill faces a “huge uphill battle” but that it’s a credit to King for trying something new.

“It is great to have a new and practical and thoughtful proposal,” Duff said. “For Angus King, this can turn a general liability (being against an assault weapons ban) into a strength.”

Duff said “the prospects of passing this now are very slim, but one shift in the House in the next election and things could change.” King’s proposal being tailored to gun functionality rather than a ban on specific models could attract support from some moderate Republicans, such as Collins, although it’s difficult to say how much support it would garner, he said.

Republicans currently hold a slim majority in the House, while Democrats control the Senate. President Biden has voiced support for gun reforms, including an assault weapons ban.

Collins also is working on other measures to address gun violence, said Clark, her spokeswoman.

“Senator Collins believes that there is a crime and violence problem in this country and that Congress should join with the states and law enforcement in trying to address it. She will continue to focus on measures that could help save lives, including legislation that could help keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, and also people who are suffering from mental illness that could cause them to be a danger to themselves and others. She is currently drafting legislation that would direct the military to fully utilize state crisis intervention laws,” Clark said, also noting that Collins is the lead Republican sponsor on a bill that would ban bump stocks.

King believes that “politics will eventually catch up with public opinion” and meaningful gun reform will pass.

“You can work on something for years, and it doesn’t happen and doesn’t happen, and then suddenly the stars align and the bill passes,” King said.


Link Posted: 12/1/2023 1:15:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/1/2023 10:14:45 PM EDT
[#8]
I sent this to King today; it took me several hours to edit, because I write slow. I'll call his office on Monday and cover the highlights. Anyone still in this thread should consider doing something similar.

Dear Senator King,

As your constituent, infantry veteran, and ninth-generation Mainer, I want to express my profound opposition to your proposed GOSAFE Act.

This act is safety theater - just as TSA checkpoints provide the illusion of security while grotesquely violating our 4th Amendment rights, this act offers only a sad simulacrum of safety. The GOSAFE Act does nothing to address the root cause of spree killings, namely mental illness and social alienation. It wasn't always like this. In the 1950s, years prior to the development of the AR-15 and decades before its popularity, the M1 carbine - a gas operated semiautomatic centerfire rifle capable of generating 1000 foot-pounds of muzzle energy and fed by detachable 30 round magazines, just like the AR-15 - was widely popular and sold as surplus by the federal government. There were no mass shootings then. The weapon is not the problem.

Restricting weapons provides no solution. It is snake oil. Columbine, the North Hollywood bank robbery, and the D.C. sniper attacks all occurred during the 1994 assault weapons ban. San Bernardino, Isla Vista, Thousand Oaks, Gilroy - all happened under California's very strict prohibitions. Colorado Springs under their restrictions. Buffalo under the NY SAFE Act. Et cetera.

You can look into all those widows' eyes in Lewiston and promise them "never again" all you want - until it inevitably happens again because of useless legislation like this.

Requiring fixed magazines with limited capacity is dangerous. If someone must defend themselves, whether against a home invader or a foreign army, it cannot be the case that their weapon fails them because of an unclearable jam or running dry for the few seconds when they need it most. There are hundreds of cases every year where the ability to have more than a handful of rounds, or to reload quickly, or both, are critical to saving someone's life. Firearms are emergency tools - we don't limit the capacity of fire extinguishers.

As for your claim that this act is somehow justified by DC v Heller, please read the entire opinion, in particular: "We therefore read Miller to say *only* that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes". There are more AR-15s owned by ordinary citizens than Ford F-150 trucks ever produced - it is the most popular type of rifle and the very definition of common use for lawful purposes. There are, by the lowest estimate available, 100 million standard capacity magazines - half of all magazines total in the country. Again, typically possessed, explicitly protected.

The constitutional problems with GOSAFE do not end with the Second Amendment, either. The provision in this bill to allow possession and transfer to immediate family members violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. It creates a hereditary aristocracy of citizens, like the Indian Kshatriya caste, with a privileged set of rights. Ironically, it would forbid actual immigrant Kshatriyas from membership in this caste, should they miss the deadline.

Finally, this proposal is sophomorically short-sighted. The entire point of the right to keep and bear arms is to enable the mass of the people to maintain proficiency and have readily available the means to effectively defend themselves and each other. A lot of Ukrainians and Israelis would have benefited from the same thing - they would still be alive. This country has already been invaded once. Part of the reason Maine is a state in the first place is due to the poor militia support from mainland Massachusetts during the War of 1812, when the British seized eastern Maine and declared it New Ireland. It is impossible to know when or if the United States will face invasion again, but just as we keep enough doses of smallpox vaccine ready for every single person in the country, it is likewise prudent to maintain an armed populace who know how to use weapons that are actually useful.

Please stop wasting time and money proposing cartoonishly unconstitutional laws which inevitably harm the very people they claim to protect.


Regards,

[redacted]
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Link Posted: 12/1/2023 10:45:10 PM EDT
[#9]
It's not unlikely that whatever gets introduced at the state level here in January will simply copy the GOSAFE Act. On one hand, that's good, because this proposal is ridiculous, and every single gun control bill introduced here since 2016 (except the yellow flag law) - magazine ban (twice), background checks, waiting period, binary trigger ban, civil lawsuits, bump stock ban, 80% lower ban - has died.

On the other hand that's bad, because party pressure might ram it through anyway, and we'd be left with the worst gun control in the nation, despite Maine having literally the best 2A statement in our state constitution; there isn't any other state constitution that's more direct, terse, combative, and comprehensive than ours.

On the third hand it's not like anyone would actually comply - this state can't even get REAL ID drivers licenses issued.

Fuck you. Stack up.
Link Posted: 12/3/2023 10:37:44 PM EDT
[#10]
King is a piece of shit and always has been. The guy is like the male version of Chellie Pingree.  You can write your letters in opposition he couldn't care less nor do the rest of the people who would vote yes for this.

And it's always the same old tiresome argument about the outdoors and hunting heritage the bill respects because you already can't hunt with that many rounds anyway!

Time for folks to start waking up to the fact these people in government that were told are elected to represent us offer nothing to the betterment of society or the daily lives of literally anyone but themselves.
Link Posted: 12/15/2023 1:13:32 PM EDT
[#11]
I'm always amazed that politicians think a signed piece of paper is going to stop anything.  Getting back to the basic tenents of humanity it's already "against the law" to kill another human except when your life or your family's life is in jeapordy.  Even then there are states that would gladly lock you up.  So, does King, et al, believe that a complicated " new" set of rules duly signed by everyone and their mother is going to do anything at all to even slow down the next mass shooter?  

To the big game hunters out there,  relive just how you feel as you're going to pull the trigger on a trophy animal that will feed your family for six months.  It is certainly not "oh well, another one for the freezer".  No, you, like all of us, feel the respect that it takes to harvest an animal.  Now think of what these mad-men who grab whatever is available for a rifle and go to seeing red just wanting to kill  other humans for what ever reason their addled heads say need killing.  They are mad......out of control........rageing maniacs with killing machines in their posession.  Why doesn't Angus run out after the shooter and wave this new set of rules at him? Think that will work?

It's up to us to find these ill people before they turn evil.  How many of them were already identified to the authorities like the FBI, etc? Still nothing done until after the fact.  
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