So Monroe County (who is usually great with pistol permit amendments, considering)...just added this requirement to buying a gun.



Apparently they want the dealer to fill out a standardized bill of sale, partly it seems, so no "illegal" pistols get added to your permit.

If you don't do this, the FFLs sales receipt gets sent to an investigator who has to deem the pistol legal.

Now this seems to be trying to prevent AR lowers being added to permits...but a fixed mag AR lower should be legal.

Now my confusion really starts with the bottom where they say a "lower receiver" doesn't qualify as a firearm per NY law...but does NY even define "pistol"? No right? So anything could be registed and made into a pistol no?

And what's more confusing, you can still register a "frame only" ?? It's still one of the check boxes on the form.

Isn't a "frame" the same as a "lower receiver" ?

And what happens to people with "frame only" lowers currently on their permits?

Do you just need to send in a receipt for an upper and they suddenly accept it as a pistol?

3. "Firearm" means (a) any pistol or revolver; or (b) a shotgun having
one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length; or (c) a rifle
having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length; or (d)
any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise if such weapon as altered, modified, or
otherwise has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches; or (e)
an assault weapon; or (f) any other weapon that is not otherwise defined
in this section containing any component that provides housing or a
structure designed to hold or integrate any fire control component that
is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by
action of explosive. For the purpose of this subdivision the length of
the barrel on a shotgun or rifle shall be determined by measuring the
distance between the muzzle and the face of the bolt, breech, or
breechlock when closed and when the shotgun or rifle is cocked; the
overall length of a weapon made from a shotgun or rifle is the distance
between the extreme ends of the weapon measured along a line parallel to
the center line of the bore. Firearm does not include an antique
firearm.

Still not sure why a lower receiver is not able to be added....but a "frame" is.

I'm very glad I set myself up with enough stripped lowers before all this started. This is nuts.

Well getting lowers isn't a problem yet...

This is more about adding them to your pistol permit.

Well I guess you'd have to have it built as a pistol by an appropriately licensed FFL and pay the excise tax, and then add it as a pistol?

NY's patchwork system of laws, rules, regulations, and who administers them results in a huge ole barrel of WTF... which is intentional.