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Posted: 9/14/2015 1:43:26 PM EDT

Spoke with Brian Blake this morning. He is having the SBR bill drafted for the 2016 and should have a copy to me shortly. I had sent Brian a few suggestions from the folks here, along with a few other tweaks so that we don't run into any form 1/form 2/ form 4 issues in the future. Once received I'll hand it off to one of my firearm friendly attorney friends for review, and then here once it has been redrafted, but prior to it being formally submitted. Essentially scrubbing it to make a statement that SBR's acquired in accordance with Federal Law are legal to own in Washington state, and removing language that prohibits manufacture, repair, etc.

Also, there is support from a member in the senate so that a companion bill will be run at the same time.

That is all for now.

Posted: 9/14/2015 2:21:32 PM EDT

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Thanks for the update!

Posted: 9/14/2015 3:01:27 PM EDT

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Posted: 9/14/2015 4:00:40 PM EDT

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Wish you guys could get them to just repeal the entire thing or just make it say, it is also a violation of State Law if it is in violation of Federal Law...

Posted: 9/14/2015 4:21:47 PM EDT

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That is in effect what this will do.

Posted: 9/14/2015 6:07:00 PM EDT

[#5]

Maybe sneak in MGs in that language as well. I know, I know...pushing my luck here.

Thanks for the update.

Posted: 9/14/2015 11:01:40 PM EDT

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Spoke with Brian Blake this morning. He is having the SBR bill drafted for the 2016 and should have a copy to me shortly. I had sent Brian a few suggestions from the folks here, along with a few other tweaks so that we don't run into any form 1/form 2/ form 4 issues in the future. Once received I'll hand it off to one of my firearm friendly attorney friends for review, and then here once it has been redrafted, but prior to it being formally submitted. Essentially scrubbing it to make a statement that SBR's acquired in accordance with Federal Law are legal to own in Washington state, and removing language that prohibits manufacture, repair, etc.

Also, there is support from a member in the senate so that a companion bill will be run at the same time.

That is all for now.

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Great news! Please let us know if there is anything the riff-raff can do to help.

Posted: 9/14/2015 11:32:42 PM EDT

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Spoke with Brian Blake this morning. He is having the SBR bill drafted for the 2016 and should have a copy to me shortly. I had sent Brian a few suggestions from the folks here, along with a few other tweaks so that we don't run into any form 1/form 2/ form 4 issues in the future. Once received I'll hand it off to one of my firearm friendly attorney friends for review, and then here once it has been redrafted, but prior to it being formally submitted. Essentially scrubbing it to make a statement that SBR's acquired in accordance with Federal Law are legal to own in Washington state, and removing language that prohibits manufacture, repair, etc.

Also, there is support from a member in the senate so that a companion bill will be run at the same time.

That is all for now.

Great news! Please let us know if there is anything the riff-raff can do to help.

+1!

Posted: 9/15/2015 2:22:12 AM EDT

[#8]

Thanks for the update! This is great news.

Posted: 9/15/2015 3:34:24 AM EDT

[#9]

This is very good news. Hopefully we don't have too much trouble in this year's session.

Posted: 9/15/2015 7:52:00 AM EDT

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Any chance we could address Short Barrel Shotguns at the same time?

Posted: 9/15/2015 11:59:13 AM EDT

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There really wasn't a lot of support for SBS from any of the LEO related association, which is who the elected officials will look to on guidance. Same with MG's. Rather than push it, the thought is fix one item at a time.

Posted: 9/15/2015 12:46:52 PM EDT

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As soon as the bill is published, write to your Representative and let them know you support it. When it is scheduled for a committee hearing, show up and sign in to support the bill. Request to speak to the committee; it's very easy, the second time you do it. :) It would be nice if we could get more than a dozen people to show up for these NFA gun bills.

Randy

Posted: 9/15/2015 2:53:13 PM EDT

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I hope the bill reads in its entirety:

"It shall be an absolute defense where federal law is followed."

Covers all of the issues with 594, SBS, and MG; and only 1 issue.

KIS

Posted: 9/16/2015 3:42:41 AM EDT

[#14]

Excellent news. Hope it goes through smoothly. I already know one person who has an issue with a rejection and had to do loops to get his SBR made.

Posted: 9/16/2015 6:09:40 AM EDT

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Edit: Took out the rest. This is the section that directly deals with business. I have AK sbr's to finish up that I'm not allowed to transfer here, I have several to build up for people but would like to avoid putting another makers name on them.

(ii) To be used or purchased by federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agencies; or
(iii) For SALE in compliance with all applicable federal laws and regulations.

Posted: 9/16/2015 9:05:12 AM EDT

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What are the risks of using the term "according to federal law" too much and if some crazy stuff comes up on federal level we are screwed?

I noticed many States enacting laws against "federal laws" in this past anti-gun skirmish.

P.S. I'll support and write/call my representative like I did for the previous bills but won't buy one of those NFA items until they are no longer NFA. An instant background check like for everything else ought be enough. No extra taxes, registrations and regulations. But that's just me.

Posted: 9/16/2015 11:19:59 AM EDT

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I think if something crazy came up on the federal level it wouldnt matter anyway, WA will look the other way for drugs but guns I dont think so

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Posted: 9/16/2015 11:56:01 AM EDT

[#18]

Thanks for the input ScorpioMk. I'll include that example in with the others.

Posted: 9/16/2015 12:59:24 PM EDT

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Dawgfish,

Just wanted to say thank you for everything you've done and are doing. You've put a lot of time and effort into this and I don't think you receive enough praise.

So with that said... THANK YOU!

Posted: 9/16/2015 3:00:54 PM EDT

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41p.

Posted: 9/16/2015 4:18:29 PM EDT

[#21]

They need to run the "in accordance with federal law"! I really think its our only chance on getting SBS and MG ever, those will have a hard time on their own. at the very least include SBS!

Posted: 9/16/2015 5:07:31 PM EDT

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I think MGs will be the toughest of the 3. So many people are lead astray on what it takes and how the process works to get that kind of stuff.

Posted: 9/16/2015 6:22:15 PM EDT

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Would it be possible to draft the bill saying, "this addresses a legal problem with the wording in the previous sbr bill" and take on that "in accordance with federal law" wording in post above as exception?

Posted: 9/16/2015 11:58:41 PM EDT

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You guys thinking a fast one on mg is possible forget it.

There are at least ten guys who will scan these forums, pick up the phone and call the atf, wa ag, and anybody else that will listen.

Posted: 9/17/2015 2:02:33 AM EDT

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Yes, but getting the fix, even with 41p, is better than where we're at right now.

RA just announced in their forum no more Form 4 builds for WA residents.

Posted: 9/17/2015 2:04:47 AM EDT

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That's what goes in what's called a "bill digest." Staff put it together for the legislators so they can get a quick understanding of what's being proposed.

Bills that fix legislation can sometimes be easy to get moved along, sometimes it's the opposite because something easy to move is easy to attached demands to.

Posted: 9/17/2015 3:17:19 AM EDT

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cool beans dawg, thanks for the update!

Posted: 9/17/2015 4:05:50 AM EDT

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Just wanted to say thank you for everything you've done and are doing. You've put a lot of time and effort into this and I don't think you receive enough praise.

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+1, thank you for your efforts and the frequent updates, Dawgfish!

Posted: 9/17/2015 6:24:29 AM EDT

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Dawgfish has my wording, I took the rest of the text out so nobody gets worked up over the wording that I would like to see.

Posted: 9/17/2015 12:15:29 PM EDT

[#30]

Cool. Thanks for the update. Unfortunately, as time marches on, it seems to be getting progressively more strict to exercise our 2nd Amendment in any capacity. I fear that if steps aren't taken now to stop these trends that we may be too far past the tipping point to recover what we once had. So I think steps like these are paramount to secure our rights before they are gone entirely. The liberal/progressive/left/democrat/commie/socialist knows very well that it has to be done slowly over time. 594 was only the beginning.

Posted: 9/17/2015 12:48:38 PM EDT

[#31]

Only SBR's will be addressed in this bill. Just cleaning those up, nothing else. Adding in MG's or SBS would make a difficult process more difficult. Should we have a regime change in Washington, that would be the time to attempt MG's and SBS. If you guys want to attempt to get MG's and SBS passed in future years, have at it. Once we get the SBR issue put to bed I'm bowing out on future issues.

Posted: 9/17/2015 2:38:29 PM EDT

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One can dream. We appreciate your efforts.

Posted: 9/18/2015 1:38:13 AM EDT

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State Rep. Brian Blake is a heck of a good legislator, rare breed these days. Rep. Dean Takko has also been supportive, understand he may be moving up to Senator Hatfield's seat. For those in SW Washington, this should be backed, Dean get's an A+ on firearm rights issues, now I hope he stays out of my elk herd this season and gets a moose in Canada instead.

Posted: 9/18/2015 11:46:16 AM EDT

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Takko is a good guy, and an avid hunter. Blake is sidelined a little bit by some health issues this year and may not get to hunt that much, but he sent me a pic of one of his buddy's 325" green scored bull from the Col. Bob area, a monster.

Sorry to see Hatfield move on, but he'll be working on economic development for the community he lives in. We have some really good representation out here in Grays Harbor and Pacific County when it comes to the 2nd. Small town boys can still get things done.

Posted: 9/30/2015 8:50:26 PM EDT

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Others have said it but now it is my turn....THANK YOU for everything you guys are doing on behalf of the Washington State shooting community! Without folks like you we would be limited to shooting BB guns and thinking how lucky we are!

Posted: 10/22/2015 3:11:28 PM EDT

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Yes, but getting the fix, even with 41p, is better than where we're at right now.

RA just announced in their forum no more Form 4 builds for WA residents.

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Yes, but getting the fix, even with 41p, is better than where we're at right now.

RA just announced in their forum no more Form 4 builds for WA residents.

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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:45:38 PM EDT

[#37]

Awesome news. When would this potentially take effect? I'm looking to start getting into the NFA game at the beginning of the year.

Posted: 11/3/2015 10:00:29 PM EDT

[#38]

Thank you.

Posted: 11/17/2015 10:06:40 PM EDT

[#39]

Very cool

Posted: 11/18/2015 5:30:55 PM EDT

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Not sure there is any new news or timeline on this...though the WA legislature is in session from 1/11/16 to 3/10/16. If it happened during that time and went into affect immediately, I'd be submitting some form 1s ASAFP...

Posted: 11/19/2015 9:31:03 PM EDT

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Yeah I've got a couple more guns I'd like to SBR, and I'm sorta in a dilemma right now. I'm tempted to just wait it out so I don't have to part with my guns and file the form 1's once/IF there's a fix next spring/summer. Or go the F2/F4 route now and be without em for the next 4-5 months, but have more guarantee that way.

Posted: 11/19/2015 11:14:05 PM EDT

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I got 4 stamps before the "new ban" went into effect... and I just like F1 more. I'm holding out for a fix. One of my SBRs is an AR. I'll just collect different uppers for it until they fix the law or I move to a free state.

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Posted: 11/20/2015 1:21:10 AM EDT

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Yeah I've got a couple more guns I'd like to SBR, and I'm sorta in a dilemma right now. I'm tempted to just wait it out so I don't have to part with my guns and file the form 1's once/IF there's a fix next spring/summer. Or go the F2/F4 route now and be without em for the next 4-5 months, but have more guarantee that way.

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That's where I'm at as well. A Scorpion and a MK18 clone are projects just stewing away on the back burner.
I guess I'm in the wait it out camp but everyday I get the feeling the whole 41p thing is going to suddenly just drop into the law-books which would leave me high and dry.

The MK18 keeps coming around as a "buy it as a factory SBR". We'll see

Posted: 11/25/2015 2:50:31 PM EDT

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I kept on looking at the pre-filed section of new bills an never saw anything new. It wasn't until I did a search on the word rifle in the bills section that I got this;

HB 1722

While the old SBR bill added these words;

(2) It is not unlawful for a person to possess, transport, acquire, or transfer a short-barreled rifle that is legally registered and possessed, transported, acquired, or transferred in accordance with federal law.

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HB 1722 has a new section;

c) A person, including an employee of such person if the employee has undergone fingerprinting and a background check, who or which is exempt from or licensed under federal law, and engaged in the production, manufacture, repair, or testing of short-barreled rifles to be used or purchased by a person who is not otherwise disqualified from possessing, transporting, acquiring, or transferring a short-barreled rifle and the short-barreled rifle is legally registered and possessed, transported, acquired, or transferred in accordance with federal law.

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Boldling mine.

So is this new language (especially the part in bold) supposed to cover form 1 makers of SBR's?

I'll be writing lots of letters/e-mails soon to see what kind of support there is in committee for the bill.

Unfortunately Representative Laurie Jinkins is still the Judiciary Committee Chair. Jinkins Homepage
She tried to kill the last SBR bill after it passed the Senate and came to the House. It was after deals were made (as far as I know) that the Speaker of the House of Representatives plucked the SBR bill out of committee and brought it to the house floor were it was passed by a great majority.

I want to visit her again early in January. But I'm certain she will not see me as I'm in Mason County and she is in Tacoma. Any Tacoma residents want to help me make an appointment to see her? She is rather polite and let my last meeting (with another AR.15.com member) go on longer then I expected.

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Randy

Posted: 11/26/2015 12:08:17 AM EDT

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I'm in Tacoma.

Heck, I even have a suit and can at least look respectable.

Posted: 11/26/2015 2:24:35 AM EDT

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I don't think so, I think the new section has more to do with dealers than form 1 people. Could be wrong, but I don't think so. The section some people claim is problematic remains unchanged. If this is what passes, out will be a wasted effort that likely dooms form 1 SBRs for the foreseeable future.

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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:45:16 AM EDT

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Wake me up when I can chop my Saiga.

Posted: 11/26/2015 12:44:03 PM EDT

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I don't think so, I think the new section has more to do with dealers than form 1 people. Could be wrong, but I don't think so. The section some people claim is problematic remains unchanged. If this is what passes, out will be a wasted effort that likely dooms form 1 SBRs for the foreseeable future.

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So is this new language (especially the part in bold) supposed to cover form 1 makers of SBR's?

Randy

I don't think so, I think the new section has more to do with dealers than form 1 people. Could be wrong, but I don't think so. The section some people claim is problematic remains unchanged. If this is what passes, out will be a wasted effort that likely dooms form 1 SBRs for the foreseeable future.

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Agreed. I don't see it resolving the issue of "making" an SBR.

Posted: 11/26/2015 12:53:10 PM EDT

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So is this new language (especially the part in bold) supposed to cover form 1 makers of SBR's?

Randy

I don't think so, I think the new section has more to do with dealers than form 1 people. Could be wrong, but I don't think so. The section some people claim is problematic remains unchanged. If this is what passes, out will be a wasted effort that likely dooms form 1 SBRs for the foreseeable future.

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Agreed. I don't see it resolving the issue of "making" an SBR.

If this does not fix the SBR MFG Form 1 problem, what is the purpose??? (apology if this is a stupid question but I thought this was what every one was waiting for).

Posted: 11/26/2015 2:54:10 PM EDT

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IIRC manufacturing for regular joes (as opposed to cops, mil etc.) is illegal now... And this would fix that. It would be a positive change, but there's only so many times we can get an SBR fix through. If we only get one change, allowing people to make is MUCH more important.

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