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Posted: 8/19/2012 8:42:43 AM EDT
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I just need to file a 5320.20 dated after Jan 1.
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Posted: 8/19/2012 1:30:29 PM EDT
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Recommendations on a place/lawyer for the trust? Looks like I need to figure out how the other states are creating NFA trusts so I can get rich off you gun nuts! 
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Posted: 8/19/2012 3:24:56 PM EDT
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Recommendations on a place/lawyer for the trust? Looks like I need to figure out how the other states are creating NFA trusts so I can get rich off you gun nuts! I went ahead and emaild David Goldman. Anyone else have any other suggestions? C&R is filled out and will go registered mail tomorrow. I can't believe this topic isn't blowing up this forum. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 5:11:42 PM EDT
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I honestly think it's because not a lot of people really know. It was so obscure and hidden, I bet most folks aren't even aware of what a great thing just happened. Sure the C&R is kind of an extra hoop to jump through...but man, talk about the best $30 I EVER spent!
Just glad I did it a few months ago! DC |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 5:20:13 PM EDT
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So what exactly are the steps after getting the c&r? Whats the next form to fill out and when should it go in the mail?
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Posted: 8/19/2012 10:39:45 PM EDT
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Ok so I started to fill out the form and I get to the part about nonimigrant alien certification having to have a hunting license, so I didnt fill out that section since I am not a nonimigrant alien, but in the instructions it says you have to have a hunting license...
WTF ? Is that correct or am I reading that wrong? |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 10:44:36 PM EDT
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Ok so I started to fill out the form and I get to the part about nonimigrant alien certification having to have a hunting license, so I didnt fill out that section since I am not a nonimigrant alien, but in the instructions it says you have to have a hunting license... WTF ? Is that correct or am I reading that wrong? If you are a US citizen you just skip that section. |
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Posted: 8/20/2012 3:19:07 AM EDT
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I emailed David Goldman about the possibility of setting up a trust:
His response: A trust cannot hold a C&R license. CA has the same law and lots of people wanted to buy C&R and convert them to modern firarms. Unfortuantly once you change the C&R it looses the C&R status and becomes illegal. Be careful. |
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Posted: 8/20/2012 5:46:05 AM EDT
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Doesnt apply. The new provision doesnt require the firearm to be a C&R. Just a C&R as a requirement for possession.
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Posted: 8/20/2012 6:04:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Recommendations on a place/lawyer for the trust? Looks like I need to figure out how the other states are creating NFA trusts so I can get rich off you gun nuts! I went ahead and emaild David Goldman. Anyone else have any other suggestions? C&R is filled out and will go registered mail tomorrow. I can't believe this topic isn't blowing up this forum. A lot of people aren't into it and don't get it or think the effort and expenditure of $200 is a waste. I've spoken to a few gun owners recently and when it ever comes up I say I want to get a SBR I get  Then I tell them I'd really love a suppressor but we can't have them. They tell me those are stupid, what do I want one of those for. |
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Posted: 8/20/2012 6:30:53 AM EDT
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I think that has a lot to do with why it actually got passed. It is such a niche. I mean hey, it's cool that those of us that want them can now have them, but i see that it's just such a small percentage of gun owners...even educated ones. Now...can we just slip supressors through somehow??
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Posted: 8/20/2012 12:18:47 PM EDT
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Ok so I started to fill out the form and I get to the part about nonimigrant alien certification having to have a hunting license, so I didnt fill out that section since I am not a nonimigrant alien, but in the instructions it says you have to have a hunting license... WTF ? Is that correct or am I reading that wrong? If you are a US citizen you just skip that section. I figured that's what it was... just like the government... can't even make the instructions easy to understand. |
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Posted: 8/20/2012 2:10:19 PM EDT
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What's the steps for getting a SBR???? What forms need to be filled out????
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Posted: 8/20/2012 3:16:19 PM EDT
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My C&R application was delivered to the BATFE on Thursday, and my credit card already has been charged.
Too bad they don't work that fast to actually process your paperwork! |
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Posted: 8/20/2012 4:29:42 PM EDT
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What's the steps for getting a SBR???? What forms need to be filled out???? Read this thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_23/494514_.html Then go here for forms http://www.atf.gov/ |
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Posted: 8/20/2012 6:58:42 PM EDT
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Woohooo!
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Posted: 8/20/2012 7:21:41 PM EDT
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What's the steps for getting a SBR???? What forms need to be filled out???? Curios and Relics Collector Federal Firearms License ("C&R"): http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html Application: http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16.pdf http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf National Firearms Act: Application to make and Register a (NFA) Firearm ("Form 1") http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-1.pdf "Making" an SBR requires a $200 tax along with engraving the maker's info on the firearm, along with registration and stringent transportation and possession restrictions. If you'd happen to be purchasing an existing SBR from an individual or dealer, you would instead complete a "Form 4" transfer application along with the same $200 tax. Would strongly advise those don't have enough information to make informed decisions or actions for NFA firearms. to review the following: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_51/199905_SBR_FAQ.html And to peruse the NFA forums... http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/51_Short_Barrel_Rifles__SBR_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/50_Class_3_Legal_Issues_And_Questions.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/17_General_Class_3.html |
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Posted: 8/22/2012 12:43:01 PM EDT
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I'm sure someone here knows for sure, and if this isn't answered before the weekend, I'll check through the NFA forum to find out myself...
But... Can a factory made SBR be transferred through any FFL, or does the FFL have to have a Class 3 SOT? If so, anyone know of any Class 3 Dealers who will do a transfer in IL? I'm referring specifically to a LaRue 12" OBR
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Posted: 8/22/2012 1:27:57 PM EDT
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Can a factory made SBR be transferred through any FFL, or does the FFL have to have a Class 3 SOT? If so, anyone know of any Class 3 Dealers who will do a transfer in IL? I was wondering the same thing actually. I wouldn't mind to have something like a factory 6933. |
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Posted: 8/22/2012 4:47:53 PM EDT
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Can a factory made SBR be transferred through any FFL, or does the FFL have to have a Class 3 SOT? If so, anyone know of any Class 3 Dealers who will do a transfer in IL? I was wondering the same thing actually. I wouldn't mind to have something like a factory 6933. I think the answer to that is....eventually. It is definitely going to take sometime for everyone to 1.) learn about the legislation and 2.) wrap their minds around it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2012 4:50:24 PM EDT
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Is this for real?
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Posted: 8/22/2012 4:52:00 PM EDT
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Is this for real? Indeed. |
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Posted: 8/22/2012 5:50:31 PM EDT
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Tag a Rooney!!!
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Posted: 8/23/2012 7:38:06 AM EDT
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Is anyone aware of a NFA friendly CLEO who will actually sign off in DeKalb county?
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Posted: 8/23/2012 8:51:39 AM EDT
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What happens if you let your license expire after attaning SBR? Do you need to keep the 03 for as long as you own said SBR
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Posted: 8/23/2012 9:25:28 AM EDT
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What happens if you let your license expire after attaning SBR? Do you need to keep the 03 for as long as you own said SBR That would be my understanding of it. Unless and until Illinois amends the law in the future that permits such ownership w/o the FFL requirement. |
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Posted: 8/23/2012 10:43:42 AM EDT
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Is anyone aware of a NFA friendly CLEO who will actually sign off in DeKalb county? I need to talk to my CLEO but I don't foresee it being an issue. |
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Posted: 8/25/2012 10:08:12 AM EDT
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Mine was mailed on the 13th, CC hit on the 16th, and now the wait begins. . . . .
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Posted: 8/25/2012 5:32:06 PM EDT
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I'm sure someone here knows for sure, and if this isn't answered before the weekend, I'll check through the NFA forum to find out myself... But... Can a factory made SBR be transferred through any FFL, or does the FFL have to have a Class 3 SOT? If so, anyone know of any Class 3 Dealers who will do a transfer in IL? I'm referring specifically to a LaRue 12" OBR Factory SBR's would need to be transferred thru an SOT. |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 12:15:40 PM EDT
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Hmmm, this may make my NFA Trust that much more useful since some of the trustees will be on you guy's side of the river.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 2:37:03 PM EDT
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Hmmm, this may make my NFA Trust that much more useful since some of the trustees will be on you guy's side of the river. The BATFE has to wonder why all the increases in C&Rs. I mailed mine 8/22 and credit card charged 8/26 |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 3:18:47 PM EDT
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Yeah, my C&R check was cashed last Monday. I wonder when I'll get the license.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 5:54:59 PM EDT
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Mine took about 3-4 weeks to get to me once they charged my card. Just did it at the beginning of the summer.
DC |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 6:44:54 PM EDT
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Mine took about 3-4 weeks to get to me once they charged my card. Just did it at the beginning of the summer. DC Wow - that's quick. I was expecting a several month long wait. |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 6:56:08 PM EDT
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Do I need to keep a log if I have NO plans of buying anything C&R? I just want the Brownells Discount and the SBR option.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 8:06:10 PM EDT
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Do I need to keep a log if I have NO plans of buying anything C&R? I just want the Brownells Discount and the SBR option. You would have to have a log. It would just have nothing in it. Non C&R firearms owned previous to possession of a C&R are not required to be logged. But because you are in IL you have to be tracking those for 10 years any way. JR |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 4:46:11 AM EDT
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Any firearms, C&R or not, owned prior to receiving your 03FFL, are not logged. You must log any C&R disposed by any method (sold, willed, gifted, etc) owned prior to, or while
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Posted: 8/29/2012 10:08:58 AM EDT
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Non- C and R firearms bought do not need to be logged if you have a license though right?
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Posted: 8/29/2012 10:46:16 AM EDT
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A C&R (03) license only permits you to receive such firearms without a FFL (01). It does not authorize or provide any priviledge above a non-licensee for non-C&R.
Your bound book is solely for C&R firearms. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/collectors.html |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:44:47 PM EDT
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A C&R (03) license only permits you to receive such firearms without a FFL (01). It does not authorize or provide any priviledge above a non-licensee for non-C&R. Your bound book is solely for C&R firearms. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/collectors.html Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 8:35:44 PM EDT
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What happens if you let your license expire after attaning SBR? Do you need to keep the 03 for as long as you own said SBR From the way the law seems to be written you'll have to keep the C&R to keep the SBR. |
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Posted: 8/30/2012 3:38:14 AM EDT
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Does anyone have a link to the pages to put in the binder? I'm not buying book to not log anything. A binder's ok, right?
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Do I need to keep a log if I have NO plans of buying anything C&R? I just want the Brownells Discount and the SBR option. You would have to have a log. It would just have nothing in it. Non C&R firearms owned previous to possession of a C&R are not required to be logged. But because you are in IL you have to be tracking those for 10 years any way. JR |
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Posted: 8/30/2012 5:42:45 AM EDT
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Binder is fine...shoot me an IM with your email and I can send you what I made in Excel if you like.
DC |
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Posted: 8/31/2012 6:24:31 PM EDT
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The bill is intended and written to allow someone with a C&R to own ANY SBR. You need to keep a valid C&R. YOu do not have to put the SBR into the bound book unless it is a C&R type firearm.
We are working with local dealers and ATF to get everyone up to speed on this. the ATF was not aware of the change until I informed them. The manufacturers have a lot of questions as do dealers. several of th dealers I spoke with in the Collar Counties are looking at getting the license to be able to transfer them for people. any questions just ask as I wrote the bill. |
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Posted: 8/31/2012 6:37:44 PM EDT
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Welcome aboard back Todd!
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Posted: 8/31/2012 6:45:55 PM EDT
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The bill is intended and written to allow someone with a C&R to own ANY SBR. You need to keep a valid C&R. YOu do not have to put the SBR into the bound book unless it is a C&R type firearm. We are working with local dealers and ATF to get everyone up to speed on this. the ATF was not aware of the change until I informed them. The manufacturers have a lot of questions as do dealers. several of th dealers I spoke with in the Collar Counties are looking at getting the license to be able to transfer them for people. any questions just ask as I wrote the bill. Yes - any SOTs you know of around the north end of the state who can transfer a SBR? |
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Posted: 8/31/2012 6:48:57 PM EDT
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working on it. I kow at least two 07 manufacturers and a few FFLs ae looking into getting their class III, just give it sa little time to sort itself out.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 6:09:36 AM EDT
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The bill is intended and written to allow someone with a C&R to own ANY SBR. You need to keep a valid C&R. YOu do not have to put the SBR into the bound book unless it is a C&R type firearm. We are working with local dealers and ATF to get everyone up to speed on this. the ATF was not aware of the change until I informed them. The manufacturers have a lot of questions as do dealers. several of th dealers I spoke with in the Collar Counties are looking at getting the license to be able to transfer them for people. any questions just ask as I wrote the bill. Yes - any SOTs you know of around the north end of the state who can transfer a SBR? Krebs Custom out in Wauconda ought to be able to hook you up. |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 6:53:44 AM EDT
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The bill is intended and written to allow someone with a C&R to own ANY SBR. You need to keep a valid C&R. YOu do not have to put the SBR into the bound book unless it is a C&R type firearm. We are working with local dealers and ATF to get everyone up to speed on this. the ATF was not aware of the change until I informed them. The manufacturers have a lot of questions as do dealers. several of th dealers I spoke with in the Collar Counties are looking at getting the license to be able to transfer them for people. any questions just ask as I wrote the bill. Can you provide us with an account of how the bill came about including and struggles? |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:09:00 AM EDT
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The bill is intended and written to allow someone with a C&R to own ANY SBR. You need to keep a valid C&R. YOu do not have to put the SBR into the bound book unless it is a C&R type firearm. We are working with local dealers and ATF to get everyone up to speed on this. the ATF was not aware of the change until I informed them. The manufacturers have a lot of questions as do dealers. several of th dealers I spoke with in the Collar Counties are looking at getting the license to be able to transfer them for people. any questions just ask as I wrote the bill. Yes - any SOTs you know of around the north end of the state who can transfer a SBR? Krebs Custom out in Wauconda ought to be able to hook you up. Aah yes. Thanks. 
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