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Posted: 5/29/2015 2:55:16 PM EDT
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Unedited Page 5 OWN!
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Posted: 5/29/2015 3:12:46 PM EDT
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Hmmmm... My Form 1, eform, for an SBR submitted in early April hasn't been rejected yet that I see.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 3:58:37 PM EDT
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Hmmmm... My Form 1, eform, for an SBR submitted in early April hasn't been rejected yet that I see. I have two from May still pending. But a form 1 suppressor submitted on the same day as my sbrs was approved. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 8:13:03 PM EDT
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I have two from May still pending. But a form 1 suppressor submitted on the same day as my sbrs was approved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hmmmm... My Form 1, eform, for an SBR submitted in early April hasn't been rejected yet that I see. I have two from May still pending. But a form 1 suppressor submitted on the same day as my sbrs was approved. Perhaps they stopped rejecting them until they can figure this out. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 8:13:16 PM EDT
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My form 1 submitted in Feb came back approved in May. Go figure! Now I just need to find an engraver in the Everett area.......
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Posted: 5/29/2015 9:26:43 PM EDT
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My SBR was approved 5/13. Different guy. Questions: 1) For the recent denials - who are you recording as the manufacturer? 2) Does this not apply to suppressors? (or people rarely "make" their own?) Form 1? Or was your SBR on a Form 4? ATF Form 1 |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 11:09:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/30/2015 5:12:10 PM EDT
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I have one efile/trust/form 1 approved last year and built, and one submitted 4/28 and i havent received a rejection email yet. Funny part is the ATF eform page is down right now so i cant actually confirm that im still pending or not on their page. Fingers are crossed for a happy outcome.......
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Posted: 5/31/2015 2:14:31 AM EDT
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So here is what I got from Brian Blake, the original sponsor of the bill. A staff member at the DOL had a conversation with the ATF a few weeks back and the discussion centered on SB 5956, and lack of clarity and confusion about manufacturing SBR's. This person is not a policy maker, but apparently the ATF person may have taken it that way. The head of Washington DOL Firearms Division will be contacting the ATF to let them know that the conversation was not with a representative allowed to direct policy on behalf of Washington State. The AG's office has not made any official statements on the bill at this time. Also, the DOL did not advise the ATF to not approve the forms, nor did the AG's office. The DOL's position is that it isn't their position to interpret the laws, and that it is up to the ATF to make their own interpretation. Also, Thanks RichM for sending me Ted Clutter's contact information and email addresses. Brian Blake and the DOL have that information now and they will contact Ted. The rest of you may want to not deluge Mr. Clutter with a bunch of emails. Brian says he will work on this. Please let him work through the process. Thanks. Hopefully folks will wait for an answer via this discussion, and not make things worse than they already are. Also, it'd be great if the outcome of the discussion between Blake/DOL and ATF clears up any need or desire to fix the original bill language via a new bill (since that didn't gain any traction this year). Also, why does DOL have a firearms division? Is it just for their pistol registry, or is there something else? |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 2:21:37 AM EDT
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Now, everyone freaking out about what they are going to do with the already approved form 1's, how about you don't ask them? What answer could you possibly get that is better than an approved stamp? Don't mess this up a' la' pistol brace.
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Posted: 5/31/2015 8:11:15 AM EDT
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Now, everyone freaking out about what they are going to do with the already approved form 1's, how about you don't ask them? What answer could you possibly get that is better than an approved stamp? Don't mess this up a' la' pistol brace. AGREE!! I got my approval. Period. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 11:58:14 AM EDT
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I was just getting reading to submit a form 1 for a sbr build...
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Posted: 5/31/2015 3:06:17 PM EDT
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sorry for my laziness, but I really don't want to wad through multiple pages of this thread....
submitted my 2 form 1's on 2/27 & although i've yet to recieve any kind of email, ATFOnline now shows them both (supressor & SBR) as approved, I beleive (the electronic applications, when opened in PDF has the "approved" box checked with a signature: JA Bowern for supressor & ted Clutter for SBR) I just want to verify that I'm good to submit my 5320.20 & take the components to OR for assembly. perhaps I"m being too cautious, but I want to make sure that these little documents are all that I'm going to need: J |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 5:18:56 PM EDT
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone.
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Posted: 5/31/2015 6:51:01 PM EDT
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/24), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 7:15:24 PM EDT
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both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Weird, I just going to keep my mouth shut and enjoy my new sbrs and cans. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 9:57:02 PM EDT
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both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... THAT is all you get. Just print (high resolution) your pdf's. You don't get an email and your stamp is on the pdf. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 10:25:40 PM EDT
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THAT is all you get. Just print (high resolution) your pdf's. You don't get an email and your stamp is on the pdf. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... THAT is all you get. Just print (high resolution) your pdf's. You don't get an email and your stamp is on the pdf. I'm not sure if you're understanding us Pablo. For our previous efiled form 1s we were emailed the digital pdf stamps, and now we haven't been. They're on the efile site, they just weren't emailed to us with the status change from Pending to Approved email notification. I got no notification at all for these last two sbrs, I had to log into the efile site to find they had been approved. I'm going to download them from the site and keep my trap shut. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 10:30:11 PM EDT
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I'm not sure if you're understanding us Pablo. For our previous efiled form 1s we were emailed the digital pdf stamps, and now we haven't been. They're on the efile site, they just weren't emailed to us with the status change from Pending to Approved email notification. I got no notification at all for these last two sbrs, I had to log into the efile site to find they had been approved. I'm going to download them from the site and keep my trap shut. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... THAT is all you get. Just print (high resolution) your pdf's. You don't get an email and your stamp is on the pdf. I'm not sure if you're understanding us Pablo. For our previous efiled form 1s we were emailed the digital pdf stamps, and now we haven't been. They're on the efile site, they just weren't emailed to us with the status change from Pending to Approved email notification. I got no notification at all for these last two sbrs, I had to log into the efile site to find they had been approved. I'm going to download them from the site and keep my trap shut. Actually absolutely I am understanding you. From what I read, yes they used to send an email, but they don't anymore. I think we are on the same wavelength. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 10:48:59 PM EDT
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Actually absolutely I am understanding you. From what I read, yes they used to send an email, but they don't anymore. I think we are on the same wavelength. That's the rub. I got two email notifications for form1 cans I submitted the same day I submitted for the SBRs. It may or may not have to do with the denials, I think the BATF is just a bunch of screw ups. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 10:56:41 PM EDT
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both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Am I reading this correctly that you were approved for your SBR today? |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 11:05:14 PM EDT
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Am I reading this correctly that you were approved for your SBR today? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Am I reading this correctly that you were approved for your SBR today? Not sure about his, but mine were on the 28th. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 12:48:28 AM EDT
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Am I reading this correctly that you were approved for your SBR today? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Am I reading this correctly that you were approved for your SBR today? no, the supressor was approved on 5/20 & the SBR was approved on 5/24 |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 1:47:21 AM EDT
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no, the supressor was approved on 5/20 & the SBR was approved on 5/24 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Am I reading this correctly that you were approved for your SBR today? no, the supressor was approved on 5/20 & the SBR was approved on 5/24 If you wrote the wrong date in your post (it says 5/31) you might want to edit that before someone that got denied has an aneurysm. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 1:18:44 PM EDT
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If you wrote the wrong date in your post (it says 5/31) you might want to edit that before someone that got denied has an aneurysm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just logged into the efile site to check on my sbrs. They are approved and the two cans I submitted on the same day I got emailed the pdf stamps, but nothing for the SBRs. Anyone else run into this? I am NOT going to call or email them. I'm leaving whell enough alone. both mine show approved on ATF web site (supressor approved on 5/20 & SBR approval on 5/31), yet I"ve yet to recieve my email or my stamps: although the pdf shots the stamp on the paperwork.... Am I reading this correctly that you were approved for your SBR today? no, the supressor was approved on 5/20 & the SBR was approved on 5/24 If you wrote the wrong date in your post (it says 5/31) you might want to edit that before someone that got denied has an aneurysm. Seriously.... I had a lot of hope for a couple seconds and then it was crushed... I had mine kicked back on the 25th! |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 3:52:03 PM EDT
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As of this morning, mine is still not denied.
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:04:33 PM EDT
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Same here
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Posted: 6/1/2015 11:57:03 PM EDT
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ditto
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Posted: 6/2/2015 12:46:54 PM EDT
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STILL denied, no intention of resubmitting and ZERO indication of a refund. Go figure.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 1:46:02 PM EDT
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Mine was disapproved 5/27 by Ted Clutter as well. Submitted on 3/7 via Corp.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 6:25:05 PM EDT
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STILL denied, no intention of resubmitting and ZERO indication of a refund. Go figure. The disapproval didn't contain a note saying "Refund in Process"? Mine did. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:35:20 PM EDT
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Regardless of whether it says it or not, the ATF will refund payment for disapproved/denied forms. It might take a couple months to get back onto your card, but they will refund the $200.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 8:43:44 PM EDT
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It's end of the work day Tuesday. So are there any DISAPPROVED this week?
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Posted: 6/3/2015 1:07:42 AM EDT
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It's end of the work day Tuesday. So are there any DISAPPROVED this week? I have not been able to find any. One guy over on WA Guns said the ATF told him via phone that if this gets sorted out, those who were rejected are SOL and simply have to resubmit and wait again. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 10:10:59 AM EDT
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STILL denied, no intention of resubmitting and ZERO indication of a refund. Go figure. You'll get it, it takes a couple of weeks to process. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 12:31:29 PM EDT
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You'll get it, it takes a couple of weeks to process. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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STILL denied, no intention of resubmitting and ZERO indication of a refund. Go figure. You'll get it, it takes a couple of weeks to process. Good. I am so impatient that I sold my rifle and went out and bought an SBR from the dealer and From 4'd it. Lol |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 3:21:17 PM EDT
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I don't see what the ATF has to do with this, It should be that it doesn't matter where or how you, Built, Aquire, Make, or Bought your SBR, the fact is that you are registering an SBR with the ATF, they get their money and you get a SBR. can't be any more simple. I wish these laws were written with plain language and intent.
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Posted: 6/3/2015 6:54:30 PM EDT
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I don't see what the ATF has to do with this, It should be that it doesn't matter where or how you, Built, Aquire, Make, or Bought your SBR, the fact is that you are registering an SBR with the ATF, they get their money and you get a SBR. can't be any more simple. I wish these laws were written with plain language and intent. The ATF would tend to agree with you. They have previously said said so. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 10:32:38 PM EDT
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What caused the denials? Was it people in Washington asking for clarification on the laws here or did the state contact the ATF? I am curious because until recently approvals were around 60 days or so.
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:04:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What caused the denials? Was it people in Washington asking for clarification on the laws here or did the state contact the ATF? I am curious because until recently approvals were around 60 days or so. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 11:29:49 AM EDT
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DOL firearms division employee called ATF.
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Posted: 6/4/2015 11:38:48 AM EDT
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DOL firearms division employee called ATF. Not pushing but realistically how many weeks out for an answer or do we need to change/clarify the law? |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 1:07:01 PM EDT
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Not pushing but realistically how many weeks out for an answer or do we need to change/clarify the law? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DOL firearms division employee called ATF. Not pushing but realistically how many weeks out for an answer or do we need to change/clarify the law? I was given no specific timeline. When Brian tells me he is working on something, I believe him. We're friends, he stops by the house regularly. Once he knows, I'll know, and you will know shortly thereafter. Patience, please. Remember, it took 20 years to get SBR's back. Things do not always change immediately for the better. The biggest frustration with this whole process, both suppressors and SBR's, has been dealing with grown men who don't possess the patience of a 6 year old on Christmas Eve. Patience, please. Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 1:24:07 PM EDT
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I was given no specific timeline. When Brian tells me he is working on something, I believe him. We're friends, he stops by the house regularly. Once he knows, I'll know, and you will know shortly thereafter. Patience, please. Remember, it took 20 years to get SBR's back. Things do not always change immediately for the better. The biggest frustration with this whole process, both suppressors and SBR's, has been dealing with grown men who don't possess the patience of a 6 year old on Christmas Eve. Patience, please. Thanks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DOL firearms division employee called ATF. Not pushing but realistically how many weeks out for an answer or do we need to change/clarify the law? I was given no specific timeline. When Brian tells me he is working on something, I believe him. We're friends, he stops by the house regularly. Once he knows, I'll know, and you will know shortly thereafter. Patience, please. Remember, it took 20 years to get SBR's back. Things do not always change immediately for the better. The biggest frustration with this whole process, both suppressors and SBR's, has been dealing with grown men who don't possess the patience of a 6 year old on Christmas Eve. Patience, please. Thanks. Something like this could take a good bit of time, especially if they have to get various counsels involved. Thanks for keeping us in the loop, Dawgfish. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 1:52:24 PM EDT
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The biggest frustration with this whole process, both suppressors and SBR's, has been dealing with grown men who don't possess the patience of a 6 year old on Christmas Eve. Patience, please. 
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Posted: 6/4/2015 2:51:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/4/2015 3:06:45 PM EDT
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STILL denied, no intention of resubmitting and ZERO indication of a refund. Go figure. You'll get it, it takes a couple of weeks to process. Good. I am so impatient that I sold my rifle and went out and bought an SBR from the dealer and From 4'd it. Lol Which dealer did you use? I might go the same route. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 3:16:45 PM EDT
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I bought my DSA factory SBR from East County Guns via a Form 4. Andy has no issue getting in SBR's. East County Guns is in Elma, WA, and they are awesome at handling the paperwork for suppressors and SBR's. Tell him Andy the banker sent you.
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Posted: 6/4/2015 3:21:32 PM EDT
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The biggest frustration with this whole process, both suppressors and SBR's, has been dealing with grown men who don't possess the patience of a 6 year old on Christmas Eve. Patience, please.
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Posted: 6/4/2015 3:39:38 PM EDT
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I was given no specific timeline. When Brian tells me he is working on something, I believe him. We're friends, he stops by the house regularly. Once he knows, I'll know, and you will know shortly thereafter. Patience, please. Remember, it took 20 years to get SBR's back. Things do not always change immediately for the better. The biggest frustration with this whole process, both suppressors and SBR's, has been dealing with grown men who don't possess the patience of a 6 year old on Christmas Eve. Patience, please. Thanks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DOL firearms division employee called ATF. Not pushing but realistically how many weeks out for an answer or do we need to change/clarify the law? I was given no specific timeline. When Brian tells me he is working on something, I believe him. We're friends, he stops by the house regularly. Once he knows, I'll know, and you will know shortly thereafter. Patience, please. Remember, it took 20 years to get SBR's back. Things do not always change immediately for the better. The biggest frustration with this whole process, both suppressors and SBR's, has been dealing with grown men who don't possess the patience of a 6 year old on Christmas Eve. Patience, please. Thanks. I'm very patient. I thought I asked fairly politely. I apologize and thank you for letting me know the situation. |
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