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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2024 8:40:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gone_rabid]
Has anyone used this ammo before? More specifically the 460 grain Bengal WFNGC they load into this ammo.
https://tiiarmory.com/50ae460 Been considering getting some of the bullets to load. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 7:25:21 PM EDT
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Tag for reply. Would like to know as well
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Posted: 3/14/2024 8:49:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GarrettJ]
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What is it you want to do with them? Hunting? Blasting? The loaded ammo you reference is listed as subsonic, so you planning on shooting them suppressed? (and if so, more details please!
 )If you're looking for maximum energy, I get more energy from a light bullet traveling faster. 350 gr. XTP @ 1295 fps = 1301 ft-lbs 300 gr. Underwood GDHP @ 1457 fps. = 1415 ft-lbs 335 gr. Rainier @ 1420 fps = 1500 ft-lbs (all actual velocities chronographed from my gun) The 460 gr. Bengal @ 1050 fps = 1126 ft-lbs. Now if hunting large animals, there is something to be said about a heavy solid performing better than a lighter / faster bullet, even if light / fast produces more energy. So for that purpose, the heavier / slower bullet may still be preferrable. Those bullets look like they are poly-coated. While I have shot some coated bullets through at least one of my DE barrels, I have discontinued that practice. This is based on some experiences I've had in other guns when I had some commercially produced coated lead bullets where the coating was apparently applied incorrectly. These resulted in terrible leading (plastic-ing?) in the barrel. I can't imagine trying to get that gunk out of a DE gas system. YMMV. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2024 12:30:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gone_rabid]
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Long story short.
Last week I went on a small shopping spree. Purchased a new 10” .50ae barrel from Magnum research and having them cut it to 7” and threading it. Then purchased the EGW sight mount along with the vortex defender st red dot. Already have the bowers 50 can. Just waiting on the barrel to get here. When order I was given an approx 2 week time frame. End result is novelty, upon novelty, upon novelty. I’ll give hunting a go with it as well. Took it hog hunting once but didn’t have an opportunity to use it as the hogs weren’t close enough. As far as those bullets, I just want to give them a try to see how “quiet” they are for shits and giggles. I’d hate to buy those bullet components and find out they don’t feed well. Hence my question if anyone has used them. Already have molds to cast my own up to 600gr for the Beowulf but obviously none will work with the DE. I’ll post a picture once it’s all together. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 9:00:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gone_rabid: Purchased a new 10” .50ae barrel from Magnum research and having them cut it to 7” and threading it. Then purchased the EGW sight mount along with the vortex defender st red dot. Already have the bowers 50 can. Excellent. It would be interesting to see how it compares to the “little” .44 mag in the same setup. 
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/18/2024 12:40:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bsev81]
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I have played around a bit with the Accurate Molds 50 - 440P, mostly subsonic suppressed in my 10.5" AR upper. I worked up a load to 1025 fps and tried a few of them through the DE with a 6" IMB barrel, they would eject but wouldn't cycle only running 878 fps. I did not bother trying to work that load up to cycle because I intend to have a threaded DE barrel some day and i'm sure the same load would cycle suppressed.
No issues feeding but it has a much smaller meplat than the Tii Armory rounds do. The closest cast bullet to that profile I have run successfully is the NOE 325 which is modeled after the Speer 325 JHP and still not as blunt as those 460s. I have the NOE 458 mold for the 500 which has a similar large flat nose, I might try them in DE just to see if they'll feed. About a year ago I gave up on finding a long barrel to thread.. Trying my best not to phone one of these in even though I will kick myself for missing the opportunity. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/18/2024 4:07:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gone_rabid]
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@bsev81
Magnum research has the 10” available.  I was tinkering with quick load yesterday using lee’s 440gr bullet data, as I have this mold and powder coated bullets already made. Even using 100% fill with lil’gun and h110/296 I could only get approx ~950fps. Tii armory states their loaded ammo goes 1050fps so I’m curious on what they are doing to get the speed. They also state load data is available for the .50ae. I’ve emailed them with questions and a request for said data. I will add it to this thread when/if they reply. If you don’t mind me asking, what was your load data on those 440 loads. I’d like to compare what quick load says. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/18/2024 7:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gone_rabid: @bsev81 Magnum research has the 10” available. I was tinkering with quick load yesterday using lee’s 440gr bullet data, as I have this mold and powder coated bullets already made. Even using 100% fill with lil’gun and h110/296 I could only get approx ~950fps. Tii armory states their loaded ammo goes 1050fps so I’m curious on what they are doing to get the speed. They also state load data is available for the .50ae. I’ve emailed them with questions and a request for said data. I will add it to this thread when/if they reply. If you don’t mind me asking, what was your load data on those 440 loads. I’d like to compare what quick load says. Yeah... My wife is understanding, the question is just how much.. $900 is half what she paid for the DE for fathers day five years ago, I still don't think i'm done paying that one off judging by my current honey-do list. My last load was 14.6gr of Accurate #9 with a CCI 350, I made a note to try 14.8 and 15.0, however that was March of '22 and I still haven't circled back around to that yet  From my 10.5" AR barrel the first time I shot this they averaged 1048 fps, a week later they averaged 1025 fps. Knowing SC in the spring it was 80 degrees day one and 40 day two. Information for quickload - OAL - 1.565", projectile length .89", assumed case length of 1.28" = .605" of bullet in the case. I would be interested in hearing what Tii is using in theirs if they get back to you, they were my inspiration for putting an adapter/brake on my 500 mag. Just for fun I put my suppressor on the end of it, some day I will work up a light load for that... With how the interchangeable muzzle brake system was designed i'm worried anything stronger than trailboss won't end well with 12" of suppressor hanging out there. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 7:08:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:34:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gone_rabid: Here it is in all its glory. https://i.ibb.co/x6Mngh9/IMG-3348.jpg image upload That looks great! They’re a bit muzzle heavy, but the can does a pretty good job taming the recoil. I was able to work up a couple subsonic .44 loads with 300 gr. bullets. You might be able to do the same with 350s, if you decide not to try the heavier bullets. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 1:57:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gone_rabid]
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I really wished I could have gotten the same finish but I don’t think it looks bad.
Tii armory got back with me with .50ae load data ranging from 310gr up to 500gr. The 350gr and 500’s will be added soon to their website. He says they all cycled well in the 6”. I asked permission to post part of his reply and load data. Once I get the ok I’ll post it. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:03:17 PM EDT
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Tii armory has allowed me to post this data and information. The listed bullets are their bullets they sell.
I’ve also attached this quote from their email to me. “Thank you for reaching out. I've attached our .50 AE load data below: I've found all of these loads to cycle well in DEs. For QuickLoad purposes, the 310 gr is .68," the 350 gr is .745," the 400 gr is 0.827," the 460 gr is .936," and the 500 gr is 1.03" long. Start pressure should be set to 1160 for these bullets. The 350 gr and 500 gr offerings are new designs and will be added to our websites shortly.” As always use at your own risk. 
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:34:22 AM EDT
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Glad I came back here. Was looking at this ammo the other day. Supposed to have my barrel back from Nick @ Ecco before long.
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