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Posted: 12/15/2015 4:56:05 PM EDT
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Does anyone know if the m45a1's currently being sent to the Marines include the USMC rollmark?
Also do you like the new Ionbond coating they have switched to? :flag: |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2015 3:04:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Parabellum226]
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I am not 100% certain, but I would guess that if the USMC requested that USMC roll marks be removed for civilian production, then I doubt they would have adopted anything other than that rollmark.
The ion bonded USMC marked test guns I received pictures of seem to support this (Page 77) Personally, I like ion bond. It is very durable and a nice finish. As far as staying on, it seems to perform significantly better than the cerakote. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2015 10:08:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PWS2112]
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Hey guys,
I sent off three barsto barrels to a friend of mine to get them blued, there were also three PWS rear sights. When the package arrived at his house in VA it had been ripped open and nothing was inside but the letter I had sent along with the barrels. Please let me know if you see barrels for sale anywhere that are stamped with the serial numbers and PWS-P or the sights. Thanks for helping me! Ben |
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USA
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Posted: 12/27/2015 2:14:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Monica0321]
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Got some eye candy for you guys, sorry for the crappy focus but we don't have these any more sadly after the crappy colts showed up and I just remembered they were on a hard drive. But can you guys give me more info on these, they felt brand new when we got them.
      Well I trying to get the images to work, links are correct |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/27/2015 3:38:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Parabellum226]
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Awesome pictures! That looks to be the latest variant M45 pistol parts-wise with the exception of the Caspian frame. That appears to be a WWII era frame.
Oddly enough, most of the builds I have seen with those frames still used the Kings 201A. Also worth noting is that the front sight looks to be an actual Novak rather than the Springfield serrated I have seen on most loaded/operator slides. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monica0321:
Got some eye candy for you guys, sorry for the crappy focus but we don't have these any more sadly after the crappy colts showed up and I just remembered they were on a hard drive. But can you guys give me more info on these, they felt brand new when we got them. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0512.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0513.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0514.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0515.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0516.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0517.jpg Well I trying to get the images to work, links are correct |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/27/2015 11:30:38 PM EDT
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Love the eye candy. Looks like a mix between a MEU(SOC) and an M45. If you have anymore of the eye candy please post. If I had a choice between one of these and the Colt I would definitely choose the M45 There is something that is awesome about being hand built by the best. Still love the Colt. Had a chance to handle one on deployment they are nice. But I would take the hand built master piece everyday all day.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monica0321:
Got some eye candy for you guys, sorry for the crappy focus but we don't have these any more sadly after the crappy colts showed up and I just remembered they were on a hard drive. But can you guys give me more info on these, they felt brand new when we got them. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0512.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0513.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0514.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0515.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0516.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/master_chief1/Military/IMAG0517.jpg Well I trying to get the images to work, links are correct |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 1:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tascar7:
Does anyone know if the m45a1's currently being sent to the Marines include the USMC rollmark? Also do you like the new Ionbond coating they have switched to? :flag: the USMC has not gotten any M45A1 marked Colts since the change over yet. as of about the end of November, that info is correct, the next batch to go to the Marines with the new M45A1 roll mark had not shipped yet as of the end of november |
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Posted: 1/9/2016 4:27:27 PM EDT
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Somebody buy this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=536162188
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Posted: 1/20/2016 1:56:06 AM EDT
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What are the stickers I see on some in some of the pictures of the genuine articles?
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Posted: 1/20/2016 6:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61:
What are the stickers I see on some in some of the pictures of the genuine articles? IUID with a data matrix with serial number. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2016 11:17:22 PM EDT
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Who make holsters for the Colt CQB M45? I'll be receiving one next week and I'm turning up squat at my normal sources.
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Posted: 1/30/2016 1:16:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By roadstar:
Who make holsters for the Colt CQB M45? I'll be receiving one next week and I'm turning up squat at my normal sources. Safariland, Raven Concealment, and First Spear. I have a lefty Safariland M45A1 NSN non-light holster that'll go up for sale tomorrow, actually. Thanks for reminding me to get off my buttstock and get it done. S/F |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2016 8:44:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GS5414:
Safariland, Raven Concealment, and First Spear. I have a lefty Safariland M45A1 NSN non-light holster that'll go up for sale tomorrow, actually. Thanks for reminding me to get off my buttstock and get it done. S/F Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GS5414:
Originally Posted By roadstar:
Who make holsters for the Colt CQB M45? I'll be receiving one next week and I'm turning up squat at my normal sources. Safariland, Raven Concealment, and First Spear. I have a lefty Safariland M45A1 NSN non-light holster that'll go up for sale tomorrow, actually. Thanks for reminding me to get off my buttstock and get it done. S/F Thanks! |
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USA
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Posted: 1/30/2016 10:06:09 PM EDT
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I just dropped a partial parts kit in the EE (Springfield slide, PWS rear sight, Millett front, and Clark grip safety) if anyone is looking to get a build started.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2016 11:36:50 PM EDT
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Just ordered a holster and belt from First Spear. Thanks again for the suggestion. Exactly why I asked.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2016 2:09:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PWS2112]
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Just finished my most recent build. It never gets old!
Ben 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2016 6:46:31 PM EDT
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Nowhere near as unique as the above, but still nice
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2016 7:46:56 PM EDT
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A clark replacement or any of you crafty people http://www.ebay.com/itm/281933778647?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2016 8:45:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: joker581]
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Edited-joker581 Please do not promote your EE ads in the other forums.
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Posted: 3/4/2016 2:06:28 AM EDT
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So, if I wanted to be 100% correct, would a Springfield frame be correct for a Variant 5-ish gun?
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Posted: 3/4/2016 10:47:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Number0neGun:
So, if I wanted to be 100% correct, would a Springfield frame be correct for a Variant 5-ish gun? No, you would want to use USGI or a Caspian frame. Springfield only supplied slides and sights. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 7:58:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Number0neGun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asmig:
No, you would want to use USGI or a Caspian frame. Springfield only supplied slides and sights. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asmig:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
So, if I wanted to be 100% correct, would a Springfield frame be correct for a Variant 5-ish gun? No, you would want to use USGI or a Caspian frame. Springfield only supplied slides and sights. Damn. Caspian is a no-go in California. However... USGI might be worthwhile. My idea was to get a Springfield Loaded, and just build off of that over time. I figure that's easier than sourcing a GI frame, and a mil spec or Loaded style slide. I'm asking also because I saw a few Springfield frames on genuine guns in this thread. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 10:24:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Number0neGun:
Damn. Caspian is a no-go in California. However... USGI might be worthwhile. My idea was to get a Springfield Loaded, and just build off of that over time. I figure that's easier than sourcing a GI frame, and a mil spec or Loaded style slide. I'm asking also because I saw a few Springfield frames on genuine guns in this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Number0neGun:
Originally Posted By asmig:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
So, if I wanted to be 100% correct, would a Springfield frame be correct for a Variant 5-ish gun? No, you would want to use USGI or a Caspian frame. Springfield only supplied slides and sights. Damn. Caspian is a no-go in California. However... USGI might be worthwhile. My idea was to get a Springfield Loaded, and just build off of that over time. I figure that's easier than sourcing a GI frame, and a mil spec or Loaded style slide. I'm asking also because I saw a few Springfield frames on genuine guns in this thread. Lots of guys use complete Springfields as its an easy route. As far as actual M45's Springfield built 150 as a unit purchase during the ICQB timeframe. Here is a post on those pistols https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=116266 In other news a stainless King's 201a sold for $295 last night on eBay  I'd gladly sell mine for that.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:25:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Parabellum226]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Number0neGun:
Damn. Caspian is a no-go in California. However... USGI might be worthwhile. My idea was to get a Springfield Loaded, and just build off of that over time. I figure that's easier than sourcing a GI frame, and a mil spec or Loaded style slide. I'm asking also because I saw a few Springfield frames on genuine guns in this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Number0neGun:
Originally Posted By asmig:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
So, if I wanted to be 100% correct, would a Springfield frame be correct for a Variant 5-ish gun? No, you would want to use USGI or a Caspian frame. Springfield only supplied slides and sights. Damn. Caspian is a no-go in California. However... USGI might be worthwhile. My idea was to get a Springfield Loaded, and just build off of that over time. I figure that's easier than sourcing a GI frame, and a mil spec or Loaded style slide. I'm asking also because I saw a few Springfield frames on genuine guns in this thread. IMO do the Springfield or whatever you have already. I know it's not correct, but the sad truth is that no matter how accurate a replica, it will always be a replica. If you start with a GI frame, you will need to build the gun piece by piece. You will need to find a decent quality frame, track down the slide, and you won't have a gun you can shoot in the meantime. The new loaded models have improved vastly over the older Springfields. Frame fit on the ones I have handled is relatively play free, and barrels look to have a good lock up for an off-the-shelf gun. You can replace the barrel for a bar-sto and upgrade the parts down the road, but in the meantime you can shoot the gun and check your work. There may be welding involved to get an Ed Brown safety fit, but depending on the GI frame you find, there may be welding involved to correct slide/frame slop or other unseen issues. Personally, I'd prefer to have the beavertail fit corrected than welding the frame rails. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2016 12:05:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AASG]
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Which grip is definatitivaly the correct grip for these? I saw pachmayr 2919s in the beginning and I bought a set, I like the toe at the bottom but the raised thumb rest is dumb, it makes dropping mags hard and everybody knows you rest your thumb on the safety.
Then I notice towards the end of this thread a lot of guns have 2921s instead. Is the .mil using both? I think I'm going to be doing some witteling on my grips. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2016 1:22:53 PM EDT
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Both are correct. The later Caspian guns appeared to have the finger rest the most often, but grips are easy to change.
I think Jeff had a story as to why how they ended up switching from the GM-54C to the GM-45. My memory is horrible though, so he or Ben will need to fill in the voids of knowledge if they swing by. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 7:31:13 PM EDT
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As a sidebar discussion to the lack of legitimate King's 201A's left in the wild, has anyone looked or tried these?
https://www.l10-machine.com/collections/parts-accessories/products/fully-machined-ambidextrous-safety  |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 11:03:32 PM EDT
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Ed Brown also makes a machined wide ambi now with the same hammer pin set up.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 11:08:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parabellum226:
Both are correct. The later Caspian guns appeared to have the finger rest the most often, but grips are easy to change. I think Jeff had a story as to why how they ended up switching from the GM-54C to the GM-45. My memory is horrible though, so he or Ben will need to fill in the voids of knowledge if they swing by. The GM-45 has the right side cut out for the ambi safety lever when the Ed Brown replaced the Kings. The Kings didnt need the right side cut out in the grip. I know GM-45C previously did not have cut out for right side ambi lever. Do current versions of the GM-45C now have the cut out? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2016 2:01:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By finncanamer:
The GM-45 has the right side cut out for the ambi safety lever when the Ed Brown replaced the Kings. The Kings didnt need the right side cut out in the grip. I know GM-45C previously did not have cut out for right side ambi lever. Do current versions of the GM-45C now have the cut out? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By finncanamer:
Originally Posted By Parabellum226:
Both are correct. The later Caspian guns appeared to have the finger rest the most often, but grips are easy to change. I think Jeff had a story as to why how they ended up switching from the GM-54C to the GM-45. My memory is horrible though, so he or Ben will need to fill in the voids of knowledge if they swing by. The GM-45 has the right side cut out for the ambi safety lever when the Ed Brown replaced the Kings. The Kings didnt need the right side cut out in the grip. I know GM-45C previously did not have cut out for right side ambi lever. Do current versions of the GM-45C now have the cut out? GM-45C has been made with ambi safety cutout in recent years |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/16/2016 8:54:09 AM EDT
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A Berryhill build (with a slightly non-standard trigger)
MEU(SOC) |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2016 2:01:37 AM EDT
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First photo I ever see with personalized grips for Marine issued M45A1. Looks like Magpul MOE grips.Interesting setup, but not a fan of the M grips personally.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2016 2:15:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mlin]
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A U.S. Marine with Force Reconnaissance Platoon, Maritime Raid Force, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), reloads an M1911 during a training exercise Jan. 22, 2016. The 26th MEU is embarked with the Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group and is deployed to maintain regional security in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of operations. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Joshua W. Brown/Released)
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Posted: 3/21/2016 2:19:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin:
A U.S. Marine with Force Reconnaissance Platoon, Maritime Raid Force, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), reloads an M1911 during a training exercise Jan. 22, 2016. The 26th MEU is embarked with the Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group and is deployed to maintain regional security in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of operations. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Joshua W. Brown/Released) https://forums.1911forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=192857&d=1458540746 We shouldn't have to log in to another forum to see a pic. Host it yourself with a free hosting site. 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2016 3:32:58 AM EDT
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fixed it
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Posted: 3/21/2016 7:25:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin:
A U.S. Marine with Force Reconnaissance Platoon, Maritime Raid Force, 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), reloads an M1911 during a training exercise Jan. 22, 2016. The 26th MEU is embarked with the Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group and is deployed to maintain regional security in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of operations. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Joshua W. Brown/Released) http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/cxl17/m45usmc_zpsx580ar64.jpg First time I've seen a X300V on an A1, they've always been X300 Ultras pictured. I wonder if they had a specific reason for an IR light or just used what was available. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2016 7:44:33 AM EDT
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The story on why they switched from the GM-54C to the GM-45 is because someone in the shop ordered the wrong grips and they had to use them up.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parabellum226:
Both are correct. The later Caspian guns appeared to have the finger rest the most often, but grips are easy to change. I think Jeff had a story as to why how they ended up switching from the GM-54C to the GM-45. My memory is horrible though, so he or Ben will need to fill in the voids of knowledge if they swing by. |
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Posted: 3/26/2016 12:55:55 PM EDT
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To confirm: This holster from Safariland does fit the M45A1: http://www.safariland.com/retention/model-6280-sls-mid-ride-level-ii-retention-duty-holster-23292.html Safariland 6280-56-131 (The 6004-5621-xxx WILL NOT hold the gun only-it may with correct light.) It's VERY tight but from what I have read, it will loosen up with work and time. I got one off Ebay for about 75% off list! Next cheapest was $90. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2016 5:49:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Parabellum226]
[#39]
First trip to the range with the older sibling. 
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Posted: 3/26/2016 7:41:59 PM EDT
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Looking good! Which mag release is that?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2016 11:57:27 PM EDT
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It's a Caspian Arms.
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Posted: 3/30/2016 7:14:10 PM EDT
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Found another piece of the puzzle that arrived today.
Now the hardest part has become finding an MGW ring hammer, haven't seen a single one. Still need a GI frame which is easy, I would like to find one of the "LEAD" marked arsenal rebuilds or similar though. |
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Posted: 3/30/2016 9:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCool/unique variant. I saw an Operator slide on Gunbroker a while back and almost bought it. |
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Posted: 3/30/2016 9:43:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asmig:
Found another piece of the puzzle that arrived today. https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1598/25539106503_d2a49a7199_h.jpg Now the hardest part has become finding an MGW ring hammer, haven't seen a single one. Still need a GI frame which is easy, I would like to find one of the "LEAD" marked arsenal rebuilds or similar though. Where did you find the slide? |
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Posted: 3/30/2016 9:47:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC:
Where did you find the slide? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By asmig:
Found another piece of the puzzle that arrived today. https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1598/25539106503_d2a49a7199_h.jpg Now the hardest part has become finding an MGW ring hammer, haven't seen a single one. Still need a GI frame which is easy, I would like to find one of the "LEAD" marked arsenal rebuilds or similar though. Where did you find the slide? Gunbroker, small gun shop had one sitting around probably since new. There doesn't seem to be any evidence inside the slide of it even being fired. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2016 12:22:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asmig:
Gunbroker, small gun shop had one sitting around probably since new. There doesn't seem to be any evidence inside the slide of it even being fired. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asmig:
Originally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By asmig:
Found another piece of the puzzle that arrived today. https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1598/25539106503_d2a49a7199_h.jpg Now the hardest part has become finding an MGW ring hammer, haven't seen a single one. Still need a GI frame which is easy, I would like to find one of the "LEAD" marked arsenal rebuilds or similar though. Where did you find the slide? Gunbroker, small gun shop had one sitting around probably since new. There doesn't seem to be any evidence inside the slide of it even being fired. Is that one of the generations that still used the .45 firing pin? If so, you saved a bit of money on the reaming. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 7:58:01 AM EDT
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Yes, this one appears to have the .094" firing pin hole. From what information I have found Springfield used standard sized firing pins up to around the mid 90's. They changed to the .075" size to reduce firing pin mass so that they could pass CA drop test requirements. My slide was claimed to be made around 86-88 by the seller, in the early 90's they added the scallop to the ejection port to this style slide. It appears that when the cannon insignia was moved to the front of the slide is when they changed to the smaller pin. Here is a quick guide to the various slide changes over the years:
First generation slide - no scallop 
Second generation - scallop added. Does not appear that these were ever widespread 
Third and fourth gen - insignia moved forward on slide, firing pin changed to .075" Fourth gen added FCS 
Fifth generation - changed to wide cocking serrations, Novak sight cuts added 
If anyone has anything to add to the list through their findings please share. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 8:41:53 AM EDT
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I ordered the Ed Brown version of this. Not an exact copy but all the replacement parts in SA are Ed Brown.
Great thread and great information. Awesome seeing all those Devil Dogs shooting 45s and getting some first hand information from Quantico PWS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunnyG:
As a sidebar discussion to the lack of legitimate King's 201A's left in the wild, has anyone looked or tried these? https://www.l10-machine.com/collections/parts-accessories/products/fully-machined-ambidextrous-safety https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1143/6284/products/IMG_2234_1024x1024.JPG?v=1455596521 |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2016 4:17:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By asmig:
Yes, this one appears to have the .094" firing pin hole. From what information I have found Springfield used standard sized firing pins up to around the mid 90's. They changed to the .075" size to reduce firing pin mass so that they could pass CA drop test requirements. My slide was claimed to be made around 86-88 by the seller, in the early 90's they added the scallop to the ejection port to this style slide. It appears that when the cannon insignia was moved to the front of the slide is when they changed to the smaller pin. Here is a quick guide to the various slide changes over the years: First generation slide - no scallop http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/akim85/M45%20CQC/Silver_MEU.jpg~original Second generation - scallop added. Does not appear that these were ever widespread https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1530/26057744732_394cc6086d_b.jpg Third and fourth gen - insignia moved forward on slide, firing pin changed to .075" Fourth gen added FCS http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/akim85/M45%20CQC/aa020.jpg~original Fifth generation - changed to wide cocking serrations, Novak sight cuts added http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/akim85/M45%20CQC/MEU.jpg~original If anyone has anything to add to the list through their findings please share. It seems that Springfield can't decide whether they want the logo centered between the rear serrations and the radius cut, aligned to the right, or aligned to the left. Here's a couple more A roll mark trying to escape the serrations 
A MEUSOC with a very very odd Springfield GI slide 
A Loaded slide where the logo is to the right 
Old Caspian 
New Caspian 
Even on newer Loaded slides where the rollmarks are in the same place, the "Model 1911A1 Cal .45" font varies. Lots of unique twists. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 6:33:12 PM EDT
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I doubt it's the source of the slide shown above, but the earliest Springfield Armory 1911's (just a few hundred IIRC) had vertical serrations and a USGI "square tab" thumb safety.
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