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Is a Smith w/ a proprietary mag really worth $16 more than a PSA Compact Dagger Gen 3 Glock 19 parts compatible clone?

I bought one, very happy with it so far. Shot it twice now, ~300 rounds.

I have a 2nd gen Sigma - SW9VE, so I had a bunch of magazines, etc. and it made sense to buy the latest version as the magazines and most holsters are compatible.

They finally got the trigger right on this one. I have a Glock 19 gen 4 with a stock trigger, and they are very comparable.

In contrast to the SW9VE’s trigger it’s a dramatic improvement.

Zero issues after two sessions which is the reliability Sigma’s always had, but with the new trigger this gun is a steal at $300!

Only change I made was added Trijicon night sights: Attached File
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In my case, I added Tru-Glo fiber optic sights (I'm old), Tractiongrips, an NDZ extended take-down lever, and an NDZ stainless guide rod. Now it's ready for the range!

It is if you already have a bunch of mags. BTW the dagger is not totally compatible with Glock Gen 3.

Sure, if you're already invested in a proprietary mag, this gun makes a lot of sense.  For anyone else?

In what way is the PSA Compact Dagger not parts compatible w/ a Gen 3 19?

@backbencher

I believe it's the firing pin channel liner and firing pin aka striker. Not the same length.

Your question would likely be better answered in the Glock pistol forum.

You are correct.  Also the frame roll pins are proprietary.

I believe the Glock striker would work in a Dagger but not the other way. I read somewhere that PSA changed the strikers so that they are fully interchangeable.

Seeing 2.0 SD's @$255 already...

IMO the PSA Dagger has done a lot to depress the prices of handguns.

Everyone now says, why should I pay more for pistol X over a Dagger? So manufacturers either have to lower prices or increase features.

Where? There's one local for $360 that I'm about ready to buy.

I've absolutely never seen a dagger for sale locally. The only way I even know what PSA is is by being on ARFCOM. I think most Americans still buy guns at local stores.

You may be right, I meant educated buyers. Someone that has done research on the internet. I suspect most of those have heard of the Dagger.

The mags for the SD and Sigma pistols are spendy. The last time I checked, they were about $35 a pop. I have the .40 version Sigma for my truck gun and a few years ago, CDNN ran a sale on the mags for $10 each. Needless to say, I stocked up at that price. CDNN used to have some awesome sales.

Thanks for posting this.

Looks like the 2.0 is vastly different on the inside...and for the better.

Plus the old Striker design with complete garbage. I would have trusted a Striker made out of glass first

These things have been breaking since they were released, and they still have not offered a recall or just a hey, you bought one of these shitty things, let us send you a stupid part you're going to need.  They make all the owners sit around and wait until it breaks so they can sit around and wait for a replacement part.

I like the dagger slide and use it everyday. I initially replaced the Striker with an OEM Glock #49, but I ended up swapping all of the internals with another slide so now I am 100% OEM Glock internal.

I really think you'll be happy with your SD9 2.0.  I bought one because I really like the old SDVE models.  Yeah, their triggers sucked, but these triggers are much better.
The SD9 2.0 is much better than the old Sigma and the SDVE models.  I had both of those models.  The trigger on the SD9 2.0 is much better.  It's not in the same class as my CZ P10S or my Caniks.  Go ahead laugh at my Caniks, but they do have great triggers.  Mine have been accurate and reliable.   They're reasonably priced and I was very surprised at the new trigger system.  The new trigger is far better than the SDVE triggers.  
The SD9 2.0 will definitely fill the bill for an entry level handgun.  They're inexpensive, but they are not a junk gun.  
I like the SD9 2.0 quite a bit.  They point well.  They fit my hand right.  They take the same night sights as the M&P models.  The SD series are not junk.  They're strictly entry level.  If the SD9 2.0 was the only 9mm pistol I could have, it would serve me well.  In fact, I think they ought to make a sub compact version of it with 12 round mags, but also make a magazine sleeve so it can use the 16 round mags.

Are they breaking that much? I have over a thousand rounds through my most shot Dagger, and many more times that dry fire. Striker is fine. So far

The only issue, of course, is that the pistol only comes with one (proprietary) magazine.  

Otherwise you're spot-on.

Already answered.

I had one of the original Sigma's , before they were sued by Glock and had to change the trigger system up. That was a fantastic pistol. This was when they first came out in the 90s. Ultra reliable with a better feeling trigger than the Glock. Of course shortly afterwards they had to change it and the triggers were junky until the 2.0, and while better, it never got as good as the original. I bought an SD9V in the early 2000s for my son to shoot, I think for his 12th birthday. It was junk. It couldn't get through a mag without mis-feeding and jamming about three rounds or so per mag, no matter who was behind the gun. We took it back to the dealer and he gave us another one. We took it behind his shop and fired a mag and it still hiccuped , but we took it home anyway, because he gave us 200rds of good ammo to replace what we shot in the first one. That gun didn't do any better for him or I, jamming about half the mag.

We took it back the next day, and he showed me the M&Ps. He'd just got his first batch in that morning. So he told me to take it home and shoot it, and if it worked, I could come back and pay the difference the next day or the next week. He gave us another 200rds of the same ammo to shoot. We got home with the M&P and it ran perfectly. We shot 50 rds with no issues and then my son shot the other 150rds. We loded it with about 5 different kinds of and weights of ball ammo, and Gold Dots, HSTs and XTPs. Not one hiccup or malfunction. Around 500rds in two days shooting, my son shooting 90% of it.

I went back a couple of days later and filled out the paperwork. My dealer didn't even charge the difference between the SD9V and the M&P. He said he owed me that, but he wanted my word on it, on how it ran. I hated it when he closed up due to health issues.

I did shoot an SD9V about 4 years ago that ran great, but the early 2nd gen ones, after the change from the Glock lawsuit, man they were terrible.

I'd try one, third times a charm as they say, but I would love, love one of the original guns like that first one I had, back when the SC Hwy patrol was issued them. I was looking for a new carry gun and asked a friend on the HP what he was carrying and he told me. They were the first to adopt them. That first gen SD9 was a perfect gun.

These sound like good guns in their price range.  I’m actually tempted to try one out, but at this point I’m so heavily invested into M&P pistols & mags it makes zero sense for me to add a new pistol that doesn’t run on M&P mags.

Unless these use M&P mags?  I thought they use their own mag design?

Nope.  Sigma type mag.  Got your S&W FPC yet?