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Link Posted: 12/29/2016 9:46:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TRON0129:
You Bastards!! I a already had the ATEI glock 19 now I have a KMW Barrel and comp on the way!!
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A milled slide for a specific RMR is a superior system to a one size fits all solution. Can't wait to get mine done.
Link Posted: 1/1/2017 5:52:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/4/2017 11:34:21 PM EDT
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Have to admit, having a hard time not doing this to a 26 and adding a grip extension....same footprint as my 19 with light....
Link Posted: 1/5/2017 12:31:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By weaponoutfitters:


Great minds think alike!  I was talking to the folks at Primary & Secondary where Roland is a regular contributor and I think there is definitely a need to develop a term for a "catch-all" for similiar builds that are not exactly to the Roland Special spec... especially since it looks like ATEi is going be making legit Roland Special complete guns.

Since the term "Roland Special" was coined by P&S, I'm gonna try to call any Glock with a MRDS, Comp, weapon mounted light and magwell the "P&S Special".

I do like the "Fo-land Special" but it does require a bit more explanation as to the "Roland Special" to folks who don't know about it etc.  Definitely would love to hear more suggestions for describing this weapon type concisely

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Originally Posted By weaponoutfitters:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
12/23/16 Update:
I'm updating this thread a bit to include the term "fauxland special". The Roland special is a very specific setup: Glock 19 with frame work and slide milling, stock internals, KKM bbl and comp, Trijicon RMR, and an X300U.

What about pistols following this functional theme but not actually being Roland Specials? Unlike a clone AR thread that balks at "inspired-by builds" I'm amending this thread it to include similar glocks that deviate from the specific configuration but fill the overall function: RDS and comp equipped Glocks that aren't competition oriented "open-class" rigs.
G17s, ATOM/ZEV/etc slides, other optics, upgraded triggers and internals, TBRCI comps, non-KKM barrels, non-x300u lights, lonewolf/P80/CCF frames etc... do not a Roland make, but they are functional equivalents that are being termed "faux-lands".


Great minds think alike!  I was talking to the folks at Primary & Secondary where Roland is a regular contributor and I think there is definitely a need to develop a term for a "catch-all" for similiar builds that are not exactly to the Roland Special spec... especially since it looks like ATEi is going be making legit Roland Special complete guns.

Since the term "Roland Special" was coined by P&S, I'm gonna try to call any Glock with a MRDS, Comp, weapon mounted light and magwell the "P&S Special".

I do like the "Fo-land Special" but it does require a bit more explanation as to the "Roland Special" to folks who don't know about it etc.  Definitely would love to hear more suggestions for describing this weapon type concisely

https://68.media.tumblr.com/c6cf3f83fa0f258c05819739b6abb02a/tumblr_oj8klysB7U1qjtttio1_1280.jpg

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Sounds kinda gay to me, but as long as you keep posting sweet Roland porn on instagram you can make up all the gay names you want

I want to build one of these eventually. Right now my 19.3 has Glock night sights, an Agency trigger, Surefire XC1, and a TTI +3 extension (if I carry without a spare, its in the pistol; if I carry two mags, the extended one is the spare). That's a perfect AIWB rig for me, so I think the Roland would serve me well as a nightstand/OWB hiking/riding in my HPG Runner's kit bag while backpacking pistol.
Link Posted: 1/5/2017 5:33:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lb6r:
Have to admit, having a hard time not doing this to a 26 and adding a grip extension....same footprint as my 19 with light....
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id really like to comp a 26, but the stubby grip and no light rail are deal breakers for me.

so now I think someone should make an 80%... 19 length grip, with a 26 length slide and a light rail.
Link Posted: 1/5/2017 5:38:33 PM EDT
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P&S Special is going to sound a lot like Penis Special... which is fine by me, if it works, makes me faster and more accurate I don't care what its called. leave that to the guys who won't carry a glock because its not pretty.
Link Posted: 1/5/2017 8:45:30 PM EDT
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No penis special. K Thx.
Link Posted: 1/5/2017 10:36:44 PM EDT
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Really thinking about picking up a threaded barrel and TBRCi V2 comp and adding it to my ccw 19. How much longer is the kkm comp?
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Link Posted: 1/6/2017 2:10:03 PM EDT
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The KKM comp adds 1.25 inches to the length of the pistol.

Makes the G19 the same length as the G34

Link Posted: 1/7/2017 6:20:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:

"Practical Open"
"Carry Comp"
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By weaponoutfitters:


Great minds think alike!  I was talking to the folks at Primary & Secondary where Roland is a regular contributor and I think there is definitely a need to develop a term for a "catch-all" for similiar builds that are not exactly to the Roland Special spec... especially since it looks like ATEi is going be making legit Roland Special complete guns.

Since the term "Roland Special" was coined by P&S, I'm gonna try to call any Glock with a MRDS, Comp, weapon mounted light and magwell the "P&S Special".

I do like the "Fo-land Special" but it does require a bit more explanation as to the "Roland Special" to folks who don't know about it etc.  Definitely would love to hear more suggestions for describing this weapon type concisely

https://68.media.tumblr.com/c6cf3f83fa0f258c05819739b6abb02a/tumblr_oj8klysB7U1qjtttio1_1280.jpg

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"Practical Open"
"Carry Comp"


Why do they need a name? Why can't they just be cool guns.
Link Posted: 1/7/2017 9:31:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:


Why do they need a name? Why can't they just be cool guns.
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By weaponoutfitters:


Great minds think alike!  I was talking to the folks at Primary & Secondary where Roland is a regular contributor and I think there is definitely a need to develop a term for a "catch-all" for similiar builds that are not exactly to the Roland Special spec... especially since it looks like ATEi is going be making legit Roland Special complete guns.

Since the term "Roland Special" was coined by P&S, I'm gonna try to call any Glock with a MRDS, Comp, weapon mounted light and magwell the "P&S Special".

I do like the "Fo-land Special" but it does require a bit more explanation as to the "Roland Special" to folks who don't know about it etc.  Definitely would love to hear more suggestions for describing this weapon type concisely

https://68.media.tumblr.com/c6cf3f83fa0f258c05819739b6abb02a/tumblr_oj8klysB7U1qjtttio1_1280.jpg

https://68.media.tumblr.com/40889fe0cbec252a1159e93f57788653/tumblr_ojadff9oH01qjtttio1_1280.jpg

"Practical Open"
"Carry Comp"


Why do they need a name? Why can't they just be cool guns.


Right on, keeping it simple.
Link Posted: 1/8/2017 10:22:56 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/11/2017 10:05:40 PM EDT
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I'm in the process of getting the parts together to put together a special, and I'm getting hung up on the iron sights.  I'm planning to use trijicon, but i'm not sure if I should buy the set that has white dots, no white dots on the rear sight, or the blacked out set.  I'm worried that if I go with the all white dots, that combining them with the RMR dot will be distracting to the eye.  So does anyone have any suggestions/experience on which set they like best? (I'll also gladly accept pointers/opinions on other night sights)

To go along with this, I'm building a set of bino NVGs (sentinels) and plan to shoot at night using RMR.  Would the tritium night sights pose a problem shooting on goggles?
Link Posted: 1/11/2017 10:44:48 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/12/2017 7:58:11 PM EDT
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ATEI is now offering the Roland Special as a package on their new website: http://ateiguns.com/product/roland-special/
Link Posted: 1/12/2017 9:39:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By weaponoutfitters:
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I'm of the opinion you should stick to blacked out sights, since they will be handy in day time, or at night with your WML.  Professional users have told me they prefer Fibers, but I'm afraid of possibly getting confused with the RMR red dot... Apparently, it's not a problem in execution though?

I figure since they are backup sights, getting the cheapest option aint a bad call.

Right now i'm sticking with a BALOR, which just has a white dot sight built in.  Will probably go with Dawsons when I get the slide milled

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I have shot quite a few red dot pistols as well as fiber optic equipped pistols and I have a hard time seeing how you'd confuse the two. They just aren't that similar. To make it really easy you could do a green fiber sight for contrast if it really worried you.
Link Posted: 1/12/2017 10:49:45 PM EDT
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P&S inspired me.

My G19 currently sits with:
Slide milled by Bruce @ Primary Machine for a Leupy DP Pro
Ameriglo GL507 suppressor sights
Inforce APL
Frame modified by me with the finger grooves removed and the trigger guard under cut, don't feel the need for stippling
Suarez low profile mag well

On order:
Zev match grade threaded barrel
tbrci micro comp

While not a true roland special, I run a x300U on my duty weapon and didn't want to put another one on my 19. I really like the apl, despite its lowered lumen rating. I greatly prefer the DP pro to the RMR's as well.

I'll be exploring holster options for both my battle belt and CCW. Cannot wait to get the thing out on the range and run it hard with some hot ammo.
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Link Posted: 1/13/2017 5:09:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Here's my Fauxland "G17" so far
I'm thinking of getting the frame cerekoted, and I'm still trying to find the right barrel for it.

Anyone know where to find an OEM threaded G17 barrel?

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aren't the factory threaded barrels in goofy metric LH thread pitches?
Link Posted: 1/13/2017 5:33:50 PM EDT
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OEM threaded barrels are metric (which a lot of folks prefer). They often pop up in the EE.
Link Posted: 1/13/2017 9:13:14 PM EDT
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So I'm skeptical. How well do these comps really work? Is it a noticeable improvement?
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aren't the factory threaded barrels in goofy metric LH thread pitches?
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Originally Posted By sevin8nin:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Here's my Fauxland "G17" so far
I'm thinking of getting the frame cerekoted, and I'm still trying to find the right barrel for it.

Anyone know where to find an OEM threaded G17 barrel?

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/108584/20170108-130609-124803.jpg


aren't the factory threaded barrels in goofy metric LH thread pitches?

Yup and many people prefer them. They also seem to resist loosening much better than RH threaded barrels.
Originally Posted By ak4784:
So I'm skeptical. How well do these comps really work? Is it a noticeable improvement?

They work. How well they work depends on the comp and the ammo and caliber shot through it. You can definitely tell the difference.
Link Posted: 1/13/2017 10:47:29 PM EDT
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One step at a time
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Went with a more low profile version.  

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Haven't got shot it yet, just got the slide back
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 1:28:57 AM EDT
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What barrels are you TBRC comp users using that gets it so close to the slide? I've tried both Lone Wolf and the Alpha Wolf TBRC sells and both leave a gap bigger than most I've seen in this thread that are using TBRC comps.
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Originally Posted By ozgood03:
What barrels are you TBRC comp users using that gets it so close to the slide? I've tried both Lone Wolf and the Alpha Wolf TBRC sells and both leave a gap bigger than most I've seen in this thread that are using TBRC comps.
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S3F Solutions
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:36:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ozgood03:
What barrels are you TBRC comp users using that gets it so close to the slide? I've tried both Lone Wolf and the Alpha Wolf TBRC sells and both leave a gap bigger than most I've seen in this thread that are using TBRC comps.
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Did you try loosening the screws back out and screwing it on. When I went to install mine, I had a big gap too... I unscrewed both screws and it threaded on another 2 full rotations to index perfectly.
Link Posted: 1/14/2017 11:32:24 AM EDT
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Did you try loosening the screws back out and screwing it on. When I went to install mine, I had a big gap too... I unscrewed both screws and it threaded on another 2 full rotations to index perfectly.
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Yep, tried that. Here it is attached to the Alpha Wolf barrel. It has the smallest gap.

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Link Posted: 1/14/2017 4:48:52 PM EDT
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I can get mine right up against the slide I also have to use two rings on mine ...just got me a new holster to run this comp and I guess I should have ordered a G34 length holster.. so no carrying the comp yet LOL ...STUPID ON MY PART not paying attention to minor details in length of it...
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My "fauxland" special lol

Using silecerco barrel with TBRC micro comp

Went with the deltapoint pro instead of the rmr because I got a pretty good deal on it.
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Sorry typo two o rings on the threads of the barrel

Link Posted: 1/14/2017 10:18:49 PM EDT
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Should have my Roland finished up by next week if my slide returns by then.
Placed an order with Weapon Outfitters for the RC Freya Magwell and a TBRC Comp.
Just need an IWB and an OWB holster and its game on.
Link Posted: 1/15/2017 6:20:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By weaponoutfitters:


The VG3 is the best option for an IWB option at this time, IMHO.  Will try other offerings when I can, but the simplicity and price of the Vg3 is very hard to beat.  Out of stock at our store at the moment but others should have em.  We'll have more in a week or so.

I'll be at SHOT next week, probably bugging RCS about sending me more VG3s and Roland Special.  Maybe I'll bump into "Roland" too and have a chuckle at how popular his EDC has gotten.

If you guys haven't yet, definitely check out the Primary and Secondary group on Facebook.  An OG cool army guy just posted his comp and light equipped Beretta M92 which was his take on the configuration in the 90s.

Here's a Faux-land/P&S Special from ATEI, the first milled slide they put out for the Delta Point Pro

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Awesome. My fauxland special is nearly complete. Just waiting on my tbrci comp, which should be here in a few days.

The VG3 works that well? I probably unfairly judged it on looks alone.

Also, the P&S FB group is secret squirrel closed group, correct? I put in a request a while ago with no luck.
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Link Posted: 1/17/2017 10:33:37 PM EDT
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For those of you with TBRCi Mini Comps, what barrel are you using?  

The Comp works great but I can't get it to stay "straight" on the end of the barrel.  It wants to come loose and turn about 15 degree every 6-7 rounds.  When I tighten the comp all the way down onto my barrel it's upside down (ports facing down) so I have to back it out a half a turn.  I put Loctite on the screws but it still comes loose.  Am I supposed to put Loctite on the threaded part of the barrel as well?

Right now I have a Lone Wolf threaded barrel but I'll buy anything that will have the comp stay on straight.
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 10:21:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TerryGecko:
For those of you with TBRCi Mini Comps, what barrel are you using?  

The Comp works great but I can't get it to stay "straight" on the end of the barrel.  It wants to come loose and turn about 15 degree every 6-7 rounds.  When I tighten the comp all the way down onto my barrel it's upside down (ports facing down) so I have to back it out a half a turn.  I put Loctite on the screws but it still comes loose.  Am I supposed to put Loctite on the threaded part of the barrel as well?

Right now I have a Lone Wolf threaded barrel but I'll buy anything that will have the comp stay on straight.
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I'm using a blacklist industries barrel, I also use two "O" rings on mine to help, maybe try that first as well as using some blue loctite, but let the loctite setup at least 24hrs before you go shooting...
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 10:53:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By lyodbraun:


I'm using a blacklist industries barrel, I also use two "O" rings on mine to help, maybe try that first as well as using some blue loctite, but let the loctite setup at least 24hrs before you go shooting...
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OK I will try that. Where did you get your o rings? Did your barrel come with them?
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 1:05:04 PM EDT
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Yes the o rings came with the barrel, but you could go to lowes or Home Depot and pick some up that would prob work as well ..
Link Posted: 1/19/2017 5:30:40 AM EDT
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Sounds like im not the only one having problems with the microcomp loosening during fire. I am not using an o-ring, so it looks like I need to be for starters. Where do you put it on the barrel, at the end of the threads closest to the muzzle I assume? Also, I have used blue Loctite on mine and let it sit probably 18-20hrs before I went to the range.

When the comp comes loose, it only moves maybe 1/6 of a rotation in either direction so there is sill something keeping it snug enough to not rotate all the way around. Hopefully the o-ring solves my issues.
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