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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:31:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: cplnorton3]
*Before I start, I did get permission from Larry Vickers to post the pictures from his book and also of our correspondence. He was a super nice guy and wanted just like myself, to get more info on these pistols out there.
I will present this in several posts. This is a Range Grade that came out in Feb 2023 in Round 3. It is a Rock Island NM frame with a WWII era Colt slide. The front strap has had the checkering increased to 20LPI. The hammer and grip safety are made by Ed Brown. The trigger is Videki. The barrel and thumb safety are made by Wilson. The sights are Novak with the front roll pinned in place. Here are some pictures of the pistol. Here is the FOIA of the Pistol https://i.imgur.com/7QVSNCqh.jpghttps://imgur.com/7QVSNCq |
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I'm not sure what I am doing wrong, but my pics are not uploading. They show perfect when I hit "preview." But when I post it the links are broken.
Anyone have a guide on here on how to load pics correcty? I am using IMGUR. |
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That’s amazing. Many thanks for posting it. One of those would be near the top of my unrealistic/grail list. I did pick up a MAC JSOC though as I knew I had no chance to get the real deal.
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Nice! Have you shot it yet!?
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Game on!
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You sure did your homework. Good post, now a range report on yours.
I think Larry was a member here long ago. He was not one to suffer fools so he moved on. |
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
Great post and photos!
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RIP:LTC D.Cabrera/SGT C.Newman-29OCT11-OEF
FL, USA
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I built an AK with Larry in Gonzales, LA three years ago, it was fun.
Good post. |
"Everybody gotta die sometime Red."
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Good info.
Is anyone still making that rear sight? Looks like Novak discontinued them. These wouldn't be too hard to clone build. My SA Loaded is almost already there. |
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I haven't shot it yet, but I plan to really soon. My kids and I love to shoot M1911's so we are really excited to take it out.
Honestly how many companies make a pistol in this format makes me wonder how much of an influence these builds had on commercial companies back in the day. These were 1990's builds so they were probably pretty cutting edge at the time, and I wouldn't be surprised if the commercial companies heard about Delta builds and copied off them. |
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Originally Posted By cplnorton3: I haven't shot it yet, but I plan to really soon. My kids and I love to shoot M1911's so we are really excited to take it out. Honestly how many companies make a pistol in this format makes me wonder how much of an influence these builds had on commercial companies back in the day. These were 1990's builds so they were probably pretty cutting edge at the time, and I wouldn't be surprised if the commercial companies heard about Delta builds and copied off them. View Quote Chicken or egg? At the time, the "state of the art" modifications developed by custom gunsmiths for defensive/practical shooting competition like USPSA/IPSC and the budding training industry likely influenced the soldiers at Delta and the AMU who were gun guys and competition shooters themselves. Same with the pistols the FBI solicited for the HRT and regional SWAT teams. Those same custom modifications also influenced the commercial market to produce feature rich pistols as seen in Kimber's introduction of the Classic Custom 1911, which originally used Chip McCormick small parts, as well as the Springfield Armory Loaded models. |
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Originally Posted By SSeric02: Chicken or egg? At the time, the "state of the art" modifications developed by custom gunsmiths for defensive/practical shooting competition like USPSA/IPSC and the budding training industry likely influenced the soldiers at Delta and the AMU who were gun guys and competition shooters themselves. Same with the pistols the FBI solicited for the HRT and regional SWAT teams. Those same custom modifications also influenced the commercial market to produce feature rich pistols as seen in Kimber's introduction of the Classic Custom 1911, which originally used Chip McCormick small parts, as well as the Springfield Armory Loaded models. View Quote This. In fact one of the SF guys I watched stated, they knew tactics, but brought in competition shooters to teach shooting fast and target transition. |
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That pistol is priceless. I would shoot the snot out of it and keep it forever.
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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So the CMP selected this pistol at random for you? Or you selected it somehow?
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A cool gun with cool history!
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Heirloom Precision
www.heirloomprecision.com |
Awesome snag,OP. Thank you for sharing
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Truly amazing!
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A socialist may indeed be academically superior.
And yet, they are most certainly emotionally retarded. Public education is the opiate of the masses. |
Originally Posted By CFII: That pistol is priceless. I would shoot the snot out of it and keep it forever. View Quote I’d be real tempted to slap that bad boy on gunbroker with all the documentation and watch a bidding war pump it up to $50,000. I’d buy every gun I ever wanted afterwords and be content for life. |
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Insanely cool
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Are you the Cpl Norton from snipers hide?
I wonder how many of these got released. Talk about finding the golden egg. I'd carry that everyday. |
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"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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Originally Posted By Tengo1: I’d be real tempted to slap that bad boy on gunbroker with all the documentation and watch a bidding war pump it up to $50,000. I’d buy every gun I ever wanted afterwords and be content for life. View Quote I have no desire to sell it, and it would take a considerable life changing amount to even get me to entertain the thought of it. But I think everyone is always curious what something they own that is extremely rare, what it is worth. If would be fun almost to see what it would bring on Gunbroker or Rock Island Auctions. If it would bring that much, that certainly would be tempting. lol |
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Wow, thats awesome.
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Are you the Cpl Norton from snipers hide? I wonder how many of these got released. Talk about finding the golden egg. I'd carry that everyday. View Quote I am. I had a cplnorton account here but I didn't log in for several years and now for some reason it won't let me log back on. So I just started a new one. As far as how many have come out as range grades, I have been heavily involved in the research of these pistols coming out of the CMP. So far, I know of 3 that have come out. Two that were original as built, with all the markings and correct parts as detailed by the operators and armorers who built them. The 3rd pistol all that remains is the frame. The 3rd one does have a FOIA that matches mine and Vickers, but the parts on it definitely were changed after it's time in the Unit. The 2nd pistol is an original pistol as built, and it's actually my favorite one, but the FOIA doesn't match the Vicker's pistol. It looks like it was turned in around 1998, where this one above remained till 2005. This one above is the only one that I am aware of that has come out that has all the original parts for the Unit and the FOIA matches Vickers. Now I am always on the look out for more that I might have missed. So if you get one let me know and I would love to include you into the research of them. |
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Liberals: There are many copies, and they have a plan.
Space Corps Directive 196156: 'Any officer caught sniffing the saddle of the exercise bicycle in the women's gym will be discharged without trial.' |
Originally Posted By cplnorton3: I am. I had a cplnorton account here but I didn't log in for several years and now for some reason it won't let me log back on. So I just started a new one. As far as how many have come out as range grades, I have been heavily involved in the research of these pistols coming out of the CMP. So far, I know of 3 that have come out. Two that were original as built, with all the markings and correct parts as detailed by the operators and armorers who built them. The 3rd pistol all that remains is the frame. The 3rd one does have a FOIA that matches mine and Vickers, but the parts on it definitely were changed after it's time in the Unit. The 2nd pistol is an original pistol as built, and it's actually my favorite one, but the FOIA doesn't match the Vicker's pistol. It looks like it was turned in around 1998, where this one above remained till 2005. This one above is the only one that I am aware of that has come out that has all the original parts for the Unit and the FOIA matches Vickers. Now I am always on the look out for more that I might have missed. So if you get one let me know and I would love to include you into the research of them. View Quote You've got a former ISA gun too, right? Jealous/ |
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Originally Posted By SSeric02: You've got a former ISA gun too, right? Jealous/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SSeric02: Originally Posted By cplnorton3: I am. I had a cplnorton account here but I didn't log in for several years and now for some reason it won't let me log back on. So I just started a new one. As far as how many have come out as range grades, I have been heavily involved in the research of these pistols coming out of the CMP. So far, I know of 3 that have come out. Two that were original as built, with all the markings and correct parts as detailed by the operators and armorers who built them. The 3rd pistol all that remains is the frame. The 3rd one does have a FOIA that matches mine and Vickers, but the parts on it definitely were changed after it's time in the Unit. The 2nd pistol is an original pistol as built, and it's actually my favorite one, but the FOIA doesn't match the Vicker's pistol. It looks like it was turned in around 1998, where this one above remained till 2005. This one above is the only one that I am aware of that has come out that has all the original parts for the Unit and the FOIA matches Vickers. Now I am always on the look out for more that I might have missed. So if you get one let me know and I would love to include you into the research of them. You've got a former ISA gun too, right? Jealous/ |
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Amazing |
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Thanks OP. Your post made my day. Piece of history you have.
It wasn't anything in the least special, but I wish I had the plain-Jane GI 1911 I had in VN. |
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"An age of glory passed like a lightning flash. The mandate of heaven passed from you but you didn't see. Times change and power passes. It is the pity of the world."
Song dynasty poet |
I’m following your posts on three different forums because of this gun. If I don’t get a Delta pistol in round 5, I’ll never stop crying!
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Time wounds all heels.
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Ugh
Bravo |
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Originally Posted By USMCSGT0331: I also have 1 of the 3 Delta 1911 pistols that are in private hands, and I think that this is the only one of these pistols with a Caspian slide! This is a legit custom pistol, with a build quality that will rival anytime from the best 1911 gunsmiths out there! It's a very interesting pistol. https://i.imgur.com/8xqrNK9.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/E69ZX8H.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/MkPB7y2.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/4KBjbbF.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/CAq6FlD.jpeg View Quote Nice! That's the pistol I was referring to above that cplnorton3 had posted pics/info of before. |
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If there was ever a need for a 'like button', this thread warrants one.
Awesome pistols OP. |
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...Amongst the 1911 poors...
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Originally Posted By USMCSGT0331: I also have 1 of the 3 Delta 1911 pistols that are in private hands, and I think that this is the only one of these pistols with a Caspian slide! This is a legit custom pistol, with a build quality that will rival anytime from the best 1911 gunsmiths out there! It's a very interesting pistol. https://i.imgur.com/8xqrNK9.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/E69ZX8H.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/MkPB7y2.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/4KBjbbF.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/CAq6FlD.jpeg View Quote Very nice. |
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What are the chances the CMP figures out what they have and all future Delta 1911’s go straight to their auction site vs being offered as a range grade pistol?
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Man those guns are awesome to see. I wonder if there are any others and people have no idea what they were sent, makes you wonder.
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“ Well, it feels like someone took a rubber band and snapped it right on the edge of your anus.” -JThompson
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Pretty awesome piece. I'd have a custom display made for it.
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Originally Posted By Tengo1: What are the chances the CMP figures out what they have and all future Delta 1911’s go straight to their auction site vs being offered as a range grade pistol? View Quote I have shown my research in much more detail to a very small group of people in a private study, than I have shown online. A couple of them are very involved with the CMP M1911 program. Otherwise, they know what these are now. They only received a handful like this several years back and they had an idea what they could be, but they weren't for sure. But if by some chance anymore show up in future shipments, I don't have much doubt they will only go straight to auction. If one of these hit the CMP auction, I cannot imagine how much it would sell for. But I think it would be a huge amount. |
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Curious about some of the variations seen across the known delta/unit pistols out there (CMP Range Grade, museum pieces, or otherwise)…
For example: Some have “GI” recoil systems; others use a FLGR. Ambi thumb safeties vs non-ambi Magwell usage Novak competition vs Bomar rear sight Barrel (stainless vs carbon steel) (Kart; Wilson; Barsto) Thanks! |
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Wow !!
What a great score from the CMP !! |
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That pistol is the find of the century if you got it through the luck of the draw
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Democratic party=new communist party
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Originally Posted By cplnorton3: My hope by posting this (as was Larry Vickers) is it might bring to light some more coming out. If anyone by chance has one, please contact me. I will share what I have been able to find out about these if you also have one. I am trying to conduct a case study of them. I have also been working on finding photographs of these pistols. This was a display at the US Army Airborne & Special Operations Museum in Fayettville NC. From what I was told, these weapons were on loan from the Unit for a short term display but were returned to Ft Bragg (Ft Liberty). I was hoping to find out more on this pistol so I could study it, but unfortunately all I have are these pictures. https://i.imgur.com/nxrWDwch.jpg https://i.imgur.com/me2Ameih.jpg Here is my pistol vs the one in the Display. https://i.imgur.com/U5MVTH9h.jpg Here are some more pics I've found too. https://i.imgur.com/eXf6XEVh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SbhUGf3h.jpg https://i.imgur.com/G6S7f7ih.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uXXoNyPh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dYL7W3Zh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nQch3q4h.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2opPsXNh.jpg View Quote Ft. Bragg. |
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