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Posted: 2/13/2024 1:52:42 PM EDT
I can't account for the gimmicky names these companies use, but it's hard to argue this is a bullet design that 5.7 was meant to use. A LONG lighter bullet that carries significant speed, and can penetrate to the FBI specs. Whether or not that above 2000 fps ads any rifle like wounding, This design IMO is far superior to ANY FN 40gr loading, as well as their SS190 and SS198LF load.. These even work well against IIIA..
 5.7x28mm, 34gr PFP, Vampire Fang, Vanguard Outfitters  5.7x28mm, 34gr PFP, Vampire Fang, Vanguard Outfitters by Buffman RANGE, on Flickr |
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Posted: 2/13/2024 2:13:49 PM EDT
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On phone. What velocity from a pistol?
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Posted: 2/13/2024 2:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: On phone. What velocity from a pistol? |
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Posted: 2/13/2024 2:50:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: 2,117~ avg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: Originally Posted By backbencher: On phone. What velocity from a pistol? That's in the ballpark. Now we need to shoot hogs w/ what, $4/rnd ammo? 
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Posted: 2/13/2024 2:59:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: That's in the ballpark. Now we need to shoot hogs w/ what, $4/rnd ammo? |
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Posted: 2/13/2024 2:59:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: Minus shipping VG's rounds are $1.95ish/rd :D Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: Originally Posted By backbencher: That's in the ballpark. Now we need to shoot hogs w/ what, $4/rnd ammo? $40 a mag, not terrible. |
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Posted: 2/14/2024 1:45:20 AM EDT
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Watched the 1st half of the video, impressive.
An FN 5.7 pistol, the CMMG FN mag lower, & a Fold AR upper w/ a custom bbl & CMMG bolt would make quite the $3500 carry pair. @Jeffb1911 Even if you're not getting rifle like permanent cavities from the pistol, you're likely getting them from the 16" and you're getting a substantial crush wound from the tumbling out of the pistol. And every reload is 20 rounds, fits pistol or rifle. I'll have to continue to make do w/ my 26 & my 5.56 Fold AR for the time being. |
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Posted: 2/16/2024 10:14:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 32ACP]
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@Buffman_LT1
Any idea where the legal issues vs Elite Ammo are with this round? There a 2015 thread by PanzerMkii alleging theft of his patented projectile, but no follow-up on their 5.7 site. I’m interested in the ammo, not the drama. I was an Elite buyer back during the unpleasant drama with Jay & Ryan and prefer to avoid a repeat if legal issues are present. Not implying Ryan is involved, just the actors back then. ETA: https://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16031 |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 1:18:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 32ACP: @Buffman_LT1 Any idea where the legal issues vs Elite Ammo are with this round? There a 2015 thread by PanzerMkii alleging theft of his patented projectile, but no follow-up on their 5.7 site. I'm interested in the ammo, not the drama. I was an Elite buyer back during the unpleasant drama with Jay & Ryan and prefer to avoid a repeat if legal issues are present. Not implying Ryan is involved, just the actors back then. ETA: https://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16031 |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 6:21:49 AM EDT
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Do I have to grow my mullet back out to play with this?
I would have concerns that the weird angles on the projectile would create risk that the gases could misbehave en route through a suppressor. Would suck to have one destabilize halfway through. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:26:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Do I have to grow my mullet back out to play with this? I would have concerns that the weird angles on the projectile would create risk that the gases could misbehave en route through a suppressor. Would suck to have one destabilize halfway through. I don't really see how - it's moving at just shy of Mach 2 though 5" of can. By the time it upsets it'll traveled 87 yds or more. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 2:01:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Do I have to grow my mullet back out to play with this? I would have concerns that the weird angles on the projectile would create risk that the gases could misbehave en route through a suppressor. Would suck to have one destabilize halfway through. What do you mean, “grow back?” The Mullet is proof god has a sense of humor. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 12:31:21 AM EDT
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We're in Tech, gentlemen.
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Posted: 2/22/2024 12:38:44 PM EDT
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Vampire Fang did well in (presumably calibrated) organic ballistics gel:
 Is 5.7x28mm Just Overpriced .22 Magnum? [Part 2] Be interesting to shoot some hogs w/ T6B - looks like it really could get into rifle velocities. Gold Dot is quite the disappointment. |
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Posted: 2/26/2024 9:19:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Big_Brakes]
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Revised my question….
So this is very similar to the Black Dragon Fang? Just “sharper” tip? |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:49:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Big_Brakes: Revised my question . So this is very similar to the Black Dragon Fang? Just "sharper" tip? |
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