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Posted: 4/28/2024 1:55:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PlaneJane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Ahh....the heady days of meritocracy. Pepperidge Farm remembers. Actually in the Sub service in particular meritocracy is the law....something about being hundreds of feet underwater in a steel tube with a nuclear reactor at one end and thousands of pounds of explosives at the other tends to keep the bullshit to a minimum. OK. Every I time get into a conversation with the Navy, I swear I’ll never do it again. It’s like those goddamn Hormel tamales. After a year, I think “How bad can they be?” So, decide to give them a shot. And after fifteen minutes, I swear I’ll never do it again. ETA: I believe the gentlemen I was talking with previously were surface war types. And by the by, what percentage of Navy personal are Submarine Service. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 1:59:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: No ma'am I do not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By PlaneJane: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I would be fine with all women subs but mixing them is stupid because humans are humans. That's also the reason behind no gays. The entire idea is you shouldn't serve with people you could possibly be attracted to, because that will distract from the task at hand. Well, I suppose that could be a factor. But my real point was that I don’t want a an American mother or father to lose a child because the person next to them was a diversity hire. Do you? No ma'am I do not. I was confident that would be the case.  |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 2:21:27 PM EDT
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OP your premise is bull- eh, never mind. https://fxtwitter.com/ShuratHaDin/status/1784568568022966506
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Posted: 4/28/2024 2:47:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -daddy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: OP your premise is bull- eh, never mind. https://fxtwitter.com/ShuratHaDin/status/1784568568022966506 The next series of vids should be entertaining, I hope they can fly. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 3:01:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PlaneJane: OK. Every I time get into a conversation with the Navy, I swear I'll never do it again. It's like those goddamn Hormel tamales. After a year, I think "How bad can they be?" So, decide to give them a shot. And after fifteen minutes, I swear I'll never do it again. ETA: I believe the gentlemen I was talking with previously were surface war types. And by the by, what percentage of Navy personal are Submarine Service. Gender plays no part. You either know your shit or you don't. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 3:20:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I'm growing potatoes this year because some dick squirrels ate all my Virginia peanuts I planted. I'm not even that mad I'm sure they were like FUCKING JACKPOT The squirrels didn’t recognize your right to grow peanuts. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 3:21:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: The squirrels didn’t recognize your right to grow peanuts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I'm growing potatoes this year because some dick squirrels ate all my Virginia peanuts I planted. I'm not even that mad I'm sure they were like FUCKING JACKPOT The squirrels didn’t recognize your right to grow peanuts. It's almost like rights are made up |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 3:27:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: It's almost like rights are made up Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I'm growing potatoes this year because some dick squirrels ate all my Virginia peanuts I planted. I'm not even that mad I'm sure they were like FUCKING JACKPOT The squirrels didn't recognize your right to grow peanuts. It's almost like rights are made up Shall I ask my FIL for his anti-red squirrel field manual?, he has a pool....I think that plays a big part in his interrogations.... 
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Posted: 4/28/2024 3:51:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Oh they recognized your right to grow them, they didn't recognize your right to keep them. Or you didn't recognize their right to take them, almost like sometimes it takes force to secure you rights. Shall I ask my FIL for his anti-red squirrel field manual?, he has a pool....I think that plays a big part in his interrogations.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I'm growing potatoes this year because some dick squirrels ate all my Virginia peanuts I planted. I'm not even that mad I'm sure they were like FUCKING JACKPOT The squirrels didn't recognize your right to grow peanuts. It's almost like rights are made up Shall I ask my FIL for his anti-red squirrel field manual?, he has a pool....I think that plays a big part in his interrogations.... I am rather impressed by the squirrels. They had a 100% success rate. They can live for now. If they try to eat my potatoes they will poisoned by Solanine, which is yet another reason potatoes are really cool. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:28:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. 
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:34:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -daddy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex_F: Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. Originally Posted By SF1058: Originally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: OP THAT IS REAL RETARDED Even if I grant you that rights must be backed by force, by your fucked up interpretation, only the strong have rights, the strongest of strong men specifically. You miss two key realities. First: The gun equalized all. Men and women of all sizes can defend their rights. That is why we are on Arfcom. Second: societies operate systems of laws and governments to protect rights. That is what separated pre-gunpowder societies and even ancient civilizations for example, the Greek/Egyptian/Chinese Shang from small bands of barbarians where the biggest guy called the shots. And you’d be wrong. Women don’t have the will or capacity for overwhelming violence that’s innate in most men… Don't be that_guy folks. 
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:43:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex_F: Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:44:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Sir, this is a potato thread. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:45:38 PM EDT
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Maybe I will try power lifting clearly women will win there.
Oh wait, maybe I should look at sports like gymnastics and ice skating where grace and beauty meet physical? Because women are beautiful creatures and us retards legit can never be graceful or beautiful? Nah, let's just pretend women are physically and mentally the exact same as men |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:47:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: Sir, this is a potato thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Sir, this is a potato thread. Again, my fault and my apologies. If you put a little oil on your baked potato you get a wonderful crunchy skin when you bake it. Crunchy potato skin is just amazing. You can 2x this hack by using animal fat |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Again, my fault and my apologies. If you put a little oil on your baked potato you get a wonderful crunchy skin when you bake it. Crunchy potato skin is just amazing. You can 2x this hack by using animal fat Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By -daddy: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Sir, this is a potato thread. Again, my fault and my apologies. If you put a little oil on your baked potato you get a wonderful crunchy skin when you bake it. Crunchy potato skin is just amazing. You can 2x this hack by using animal fat I have 22# of pig fat in the freezer....I'm running low. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Yeah, but can they chug? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:53:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Yeah, but can they chug? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Yeah, but can they chug? This dude can't. Honestly I am downright terrible at it. I cleared the rifle range the fastest at East last year. But I finished middle of the pack because my chug sucks ass and I need to work on upper body strength more. Luckily there were both men and women there to call me a faggot and motivate me to be better |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Yeah, but can they chug? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Yeah, but can they chug? It depends on the substance....  Fear Factor Moments | Donkey Juice |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:13:57 PM EDT
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I take a weeklong break from the internet and the first thread I see here is about women's rights not being real. Holy shit.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:15:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: I take a weeklong break from the internet and the first thread I see here is about women's rights not being real. Holy shit. We also are discussing potatoes and that no rights are real btw |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: We also are discussing potatoes and that no rights are real btw Might makes right. That's as real as anything. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:17:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: I have 22# of pig fat in the freezer....I'm running low. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By -daddy: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Alex_F: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I just looked up the last Olympics and men beat women at every shooting contest Sir, this is a potato thread. Again, my fault and my apologies. If you put a little oil on your baked potato you get a wonderful crunchy skin when you bake it. Crunchy potato skin is just amazing. You can 2x this hack by using animal fat I have 22# of pig fat in the freezer....I'm running low. Dude the crunchy skin on a baked potato is so awesome. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:17:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Might makes right. That's as real as anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: We also are discussing potatoes and that no rights are real btw Might makes right. That's as real as anything. You're pretty much caught up |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 6:28:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: I'm not sure, looks like 73 boats...figure 130 per...like 10K serving on actual subs. The boomers have two crews..so give or take. Not a lot. All volunteer and the reason I specifically mentioned subs in regards to meritocracy is the qualification process all crew have to go through, can take a year, essentially peer reviewed and encompasses most of the major systems on the boat. So that in a life or death emergency you can act with knowledge regardless of the area of the boat or casualty you might experience. Gender plays no part. You either know your shit or you don't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By PlaneJane: OK. Every I time get into a conversation with the Navy, I swear I'll never do it again. It's like those goddamn Hormel tamales. After a year, I think "How bad can they be?" So, decide to give them a shot. And after fifteen minutes, I swear I'll never do it again. ETA: I believe the gentlemen I was talking with previously were surface warfare types. And by the by, what percentage of Navy personal are Submarine Service. Gender plays no part. You either know your shit or you don't. OK. Wiki says approximately 60,000 officers and enlisted personnel in the Submarine Service. Again from Wiki, 335,000 AD personnel in the Navy. That leaves a considerable number for something other than “Gender plays no part. You know your shit or you don’t.” |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 6:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PlaneJane: OK. Wiki says approximately 60,000 officers and enlisted personnel in the Submarine Service. Again from Wiki, 335,000 AD personnel in the Navy. That leaves a considerable number for something other than “Gender plays no part. You know your shit or you don’t.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PlaneJane: Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By PlaneJane: OK. Every I time get into a conversation with the Navy, I swear I'll never do it again. It's like those goddamn Hormel tamales. After a year, I think "How bad can they be?" So, decide to give them a shot. And after fifteen minutes, I swear I'll never do it again. ETA: I believe the gentlemen I was talking with previously were surface warfare types. And by the by, what percentage of Navy personal are Submarine Service. Gender plays no part. You either know your shit or you don't. OK. Wiki says approximately 60,000 officers and enlisted personnel in the Submarine Service. Again from Wiki, 335,000 AD personnel in the Navy. That leaves a considerable number for something other than “Gender plays no part. You know your shit or you don’t.” Women and men like each other. When men and women are in society, conflicts occur. This is normal and natural in every day life. This does not work in war. The distraction of attraction must not exist. The entire focus must be on the mission. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 6:46:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: We also are discussing potatoes and that no rights are real btw |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 6:52:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PlaneJane: OK. Wiki says approximately 60,000 officers and enlisted personnel in the Submarine Service. Again from Wiki, 335,000 AD personnel in the Navy. That leaves a considerable number for something other than "Gender plays no part. You know your shit or you don't." You were talking about not wanting diversity hires to get people killed, I mentioned subs because everyone has to Qual and it's a big deal on subs, so less of a chance that a diversity hire gets through ...your saying the navy has plenty of room for fuckups not in subs? No argument there. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 6:53:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: You can make the argument all rights are illusory, but Let's think this through logically. In order for a right to exist, it must be enforced. To enforce a right, you must use force. Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all White men woke up tomorrow and decided Alternatively, if That brings me to my last point, Take your typical How do they combat it? By using White men in this patriarchal structure Thus, most  |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 6:57:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PlaneJane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Ok..you lost me...what point are you trying to make? You were talking about not wanting diversity hires to get people killed, I mentioned subs because everyone has to Qual and it's a big deal on subs, so less of a chance that a diversity hire gets through ...your saying the navy has plenty of room for fuckups not in subs? No argument there. Yeah, basically. Thanks, You made me laugh out loud. 
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Posted: 4/28/2024 7:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PlaneJane: Yeah, basically. Thanks, You made me laugh out loud.  |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:09:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex_F: Well, except for all those pesky armed women. Dang. I guess force isn't entirely under the dominion of men. Oh, no, I'll get reported for derailing the thread for not lockstepping with the misogyny here. I have a very distinct code of when I am 100% absolutely willing to lose my life (and I won’t go into it here) but I would absolutely go into the front lines or be in a perch if it meant becoming basically chattel to men. Before I succumbed I would hope I could take at as least as many as Lyudmila |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:52:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: And squirrel jihad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: We also are discussing potatoes and that no rights are real btw And Iowans |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:54:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lovetheduns: I have a very distinct code of when I am 100% absolutely willing to lose my life (and I won’t go into it here) but I would absolutely go into the front lines or be in a perch if it meant becoming basically chattel to men. Before I succumbed I would hope I could take at as least as many as Lyudmila But how many baked potatoes can you eat in one sitting? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:55:23 PM EDT
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One. If that lol
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:24:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lovetheduns: One. If that lol  |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:25:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: You can make the argument all rights are illusory, but women's rights definitely are. Let's think this through logically. In order for a right to exist, it must be enforced. To enforce a right, you must use force. Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. That brings me to my last point, feminism. Feminism can only exist as long as men allow it to exist. Take your typical feminist. They claim they live in an oppressive patriarchal structure. How do they combat it? By using men in this patriarchal structure to fight against it to push their feministic ideals. It's quite ironic. Thus, most women in positions of power are merely wielding the levers of power to create additional illusory rights that don't and couldn't actually exist. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 4:35:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -daddy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trout3: This will inflame a lot of people but that doesn't make them any less correct Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trout3: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: You can make the argument all rights are illusory, but women's rights definitely are. Let's think this through logically. In order for a right to exist, it must be enforced. To enforce a right, you must use force. Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. That brings me to my last point, feminism. Feminism can only exist as long as men allow it to exist. Take your typical feminist. They claim they live in an oppressive patriarchal structure. How do they combat it? By using men in this patriarchal structure to fight against it to push their feministic ideals. It's quite ironic. Thus, most women in positions of power are merely wielding the levers of power to create additional illusory rights that don't and couldn't actually exist. Where do bears fall into this thread? Asking for a buddy™. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 5:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: The gun equalized all. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:30:17 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:45:16 PM EDT
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https://tomwoods.com/ep-2494-how-liberal-democracies-become-tyrannies/
There is always someone in charge. All rights are illusions. The Constitution is a snapshot in time, to include Virginian objections to it. You will always be ruled, but by whom? |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:47:59 PM EDT
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The OP didn't even take it far enough.
Not only are women's rights made up, so are men's. To his point, women's are much much easier to take away because they're physically weaker. But so are men's rights. It is really easy to kill men as well. No one has any rights, except what they choose to enforce by violence |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:49:10 PM EDT
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The longer we ignore human nature the more we suffer.
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