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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:34:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: I could probably do a better job of explaining it if I was in front of my Mac because I primarily use pcs. Basically it boils down to app organization using excessive screen real estate in a device that's already lacking it. It also has the same problem as windows 11 in taskbar grouping and switching windows. The menu bar being disconnected from the application window and not being adjustable is also ridiculously outdated. When I have multiple applications up at once, it seems like I'm always clicking on the menu for the wrong one. There's more that I hate about it but that's a start. the rest of your issues sounds like it can be resolved by a combination of CMD H to hide apps and CMD TAB to quickly switch between them. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:51:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: The menu bar being "disconnected" from the app is on purpose. While it's contextual, it's actually part of the OS, not the app. the rest of your issues sounds like it can be resolved by a combination of CMD H to hide apps and CMD TAB to quickly switch between them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By Fallen: I could probably do a better job of explaining it if I was in front of my Mac because I primarily use pcs. Basically it boils down to app organization using excessive screen real estate in a device that's already lacking it. It also has the same problem as windows 11 in taskbar grouping and switching windows. The menu bar being disconnected from the application window and not being adjustable is also ridiculously outdated. When I have multiple applications up at once, it seems like I'm always clicking on the menu for the wrong one. There's more that I hate about it but that's a start. the rest of your issues sounds like it can be resolved by a combination of CMD H to hide apps and CMD TAB to quickly switch between them. I know it’s intentional and part of the os. It’s been that way since at least system 6. It was ok then because multitasking wasn’t done much, these days it’s archaic. I’m not going to tab through a dozen open apps. Better ways already exist, that’s why I still use them. This also reminded me of another thing I hate about windows 11, fucking up the show desktop button. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:58:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: I know it's intentional and part of the os. It's been that way since at least system 6. It was ok then because multitasking wasn't done much, these days it's archaic. I'm not going to tab through a dozen open apps. Better ways already exist, that's why I still use them. This also reminded me of another thing I hate about windows 11, fucking up the show desktop button. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I've been watching the thread. I get a kick out of Operating Systems design discussions by those who have never designed an operating system  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By Fallen: Microsoft was just trying to copy Apple's UI but never understood that Mac OS has a terrible UI. Don't get me wrong, they have a great UX but the UI sucks. Windows has a great UI but a terrible UX and windows 11 was a step back in UI. I was wondering when you would show up. I get a kick out of Operating Systems design discussions by those who have never designed an operating system That’s GD in a nutshell. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:00:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: I know it's intentional and part of the os. It's been that way since at least system 6. It was ok then because multitasking wasn't done much, these days it's archaic. I'm not going to tab through a dozen open apps. Better ways already exist, that's why I still use them. This also reminded me of another thing I hate about windows 11, fucking up the show desktop button. Windows key + D There is a way to modify and customize practically anything in windows. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:06:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gitarmac: Windows key + D There is a way to modify and customize practically anything in windows. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gitarmac: Originally Posted By Fallen: I know it's intentional and part of the os. It's been that way since at least system 6. It was ok then because multitasking wasn't done much, these days it's archaic. I'm not going to tab through a dozen open apps. Better ways already exist, that's why I still use them. This also reminded me of another thing I hate about windows 11, fucking up the show desktop button. Windows key + D There is a way to modify and customize practically anything in windows. That’s great and all but I’d rather have the button. I know you can still get it back but it’s just an extra step and now when I go to another computer it’s setup different. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:06:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: What's the difference? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By mark9000: I only use Macs and Linux in my house. I have used Unix for decades which is what the Mac really is and Linux is a Unix clone. There is no need for Windows unless you have an application that you need it. I run Windows 10 in a virtual machine on Linux only because there I wanted native MS Office in my Linux box. Had problems running MS Office 2013 Pro under Wine on Linux. After fighting with it for a while I just installed Windows 10 in Virtual Box. And that was that. Install MX Linux or Linux Mint any version and call it a day. Unix today is from the work of Bell Labs System V and is proprietary. Apple's Mac OS is descended form Nextstep which was based on the Mach kernel and BSD. Neither of which has anything to do with Linux but rather Unix. Linux is open source and is only the kernel which was developed by Linus Torvalds because he wanted an open source version of Unix. The rest of it comes from other sources. Technically Linux is Unix-like. https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/linux-vs-unix/ |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:07:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: That's because windows 11 sucks balls. Pop up ads and they still haven't fixed the taskbar. Fuck all that.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:03:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: That's great and all but I'd rather have the button. I know you can still get it back but it's just an extra step and now when I go to another computer it's setup different. I had a feature in some of the first developer builds called "single window mode". It was a purple button that sat on the right corner of the window (opposite the red, yellow and green buttons) that when clicked would send everything but that window to the dock.. and when you clicked something else that window would come up and the previous window would be in the dock. I'll have that feature back at some point |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:04:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark9000: Unix today is from the work of Bell Labs System V and is proprietary. Apple's Mac OS is descended form Nextstep which was based on the Mach kernel and BSD. Neither of which has anything to do with Linux but rather Unix. Linux is open source and is only the kernel which was developed by Linus Torvalds because he wanted an open source version of Unix. The rest of it comes from other sources. Technically Linux is Unix-like. https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/linux-vs-unix/ Finally someone who knows what they are talking about @Josh 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Finally someone who knows what they are talking about @Josh Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By mark9000: Unix today is from the work of Bell Labs System V and is proprietary. Apple's Mac OS is descended form Nextstep which was based on the Mach kernel and BSD. Neither of which has anything to do with Linux but rather Unix. Linux is open source and is only the kernel which was developed by Linus Torvalds because he wanted an open source version of Unix. The rest of it comes from other sources. Technically Linux is Unix-like. https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/linux-vs-unix/ Finally someone who knows what they are talking about @Josh
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By memsu: Every other windows version sucks. 98 good ME bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 10 good 11 bad 2000 was good and XP was bad until the second or third service pack. 3.1 / 3.11 was huge for MS. 11 is OK and I don't get adds. What does piss me off is google trying to get me to log in or pushing chrome on my cell phone. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:30:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gordo556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: You wanted to move to a better but more expensive hardware platform for some time and were willing to learn a different OS to do so and you finally did. Nothing wrong with that, Mac laptops are top tier if you want the best laptop out there for power and battery life since the M chips came out. But just be honest about it. I was honest about it, im not hiding it. while apple is superior for ME the more I use it and learning it, I had alot of interest in a MAC due to my devices I use personally. With my grown hatred towards new windows OS's for a while, and while my foot was out of the door because of it, windows 11 was the last straw and it gave me the final push when I experienced using it. I really had plans to stay windows due to software required for building automation controls, vehicle tuning software, and etc. it gave me the push I needed to move onto better hardware and a better OS for my personal needs. I do use W10 for my work laptop and I bust out the old windows XP laptop for old work software for antiquated/no longer supported/discontinued equipment. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gordo556: I was honest about it, im not hiding it. while apple is superior for ME the more I use it and learning it, I had alot of interest in a MAC due to my devices I use personally. With my grown hatred towards new windows OS's for a while, and while my foot was out of the door because of it, windows 11 was the last straw and it gave me the final push when I experienced using it. I really had plans to stay windows due to software required for building automation controls, vehicle tuning software, and etc. it gave me the push I needed to move onto better hardware and a better OS for my personal needs. I do use W10 for my work laptop and I bust out the old windows XP laptop for old work software for antiquated/no longer supported/discontinued equipment. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I'm loving me some win11 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By Gordo556: I was honest about it, im not hiding it. while apple is superior for ME the more I use it and learning it, I had alot of interest in a MAC due to my devices I use personally. With my grown hatred towards new windows OS's for a while, and while my foot was out of the door because of it, windows 11 was the last straw and it gave me the final push when I experienced using it. I really had plans to stay windows due to software required for building automation controls, vehicle tuning software, and etc. it gave me the push I needed to move onto better hardware and a better OS for my personal needs. I do use W10 for my work laptop and I bust out the old windows XP laptop for old work software for antiquated/no longer supported/discontinued equipment. There is always a love-hate relationship with new OS's as they mature. Windows OS's tend to take longer to mature than Mac versions. Windows 11 is really quite good now but was hated a lot early on. Windows 10 was hated early on but was superseded by W11 hate. Lots of people don't recommend upgrading MacOS until the .1 or .2 version comes out And that happens every year on a cycle while Windows can take over a year before its 'polished' enough to use 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: There is always a love-hate relationship with new OS's as they mature. Windows OS's tend to take longer to mature than Mac versions. Windows 11 is really quite good now but was hated a lot early on. Windows 10 was hated early on but was superseded by W11 hate. Lots of people don't recommend upgrading MacOS until the .1 or .2 version comes out And that happens every year on a cycle while Windows can take over a year before its 'polished' enough to use |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:19:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Jokes on them.. by the time it's released, it's 2 years old already. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By Rebel31: There is always a love-hate relationship with new OS's as they mature. Windows OS's tend to take longer to mature than Mac versions. Windows 11 is really quite good now but was hated a lot early on. Windows 10 was hated early on but was superseded by W11 hate. Lots of people don't recommend upgrading MacOS until the .1 or .2 version comes out And that happens every year on a cycle while Windows can take over a year before its 'polished' enough to use lol I live dangerously with iOS beta updates (since iOS 7), beta Apple TV updates, and public previews on W11. Apple Watch I have always stuck towards the regular public channel as it's a device I can't easily unfuck if something goes wrong like I can with everything else. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:35:39 PM EDT
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Windows 10 LTSC for the win. No Edge. No Microsoft Store. No OneDrive. Only gets security updates and bug fixes. No feature updates. Support guaranteed for 5 years (10 if you do the IoT version).
Microsoft very much doesn't want you to buy this version and make it hard to get. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:37:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thejokker: Computer security is not sexy and goes un-noticed but is never the less very important. The reason for upgrading your hardware for Windows 11 is for hardware based computer security. Yes; Microsoft has an annoying habit of changing the name of features and how to do things but it is very easy to type into a search engine "how to do "X" on Windows 11. Turning off annoying features is similarly solved. Not upgrading your O/S is the computer equivalent of "defunding" the police". The fact that you can Google all the ways to undo the stupidity that Microsoft is doing with each successive Win11 version is emblematic of the problem. Sure, people like hardware based computer security. But then you have to decrapulate your computer again. MS could do it the right way. They're choosing not to and I'm glad to see them losing market share with Win11. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:53:06 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2ANut: Win11 was the straw on the camel's back that finally convinced me to go all-Linux. It's been disheartening to watch the best OS platform decay into a cesspool of confusing/inconsistent GUIs, ads/telemetry, and forced cloud accounts. Funny enough, a lot of Windows software now works better on Linux than it does on Windows. Wine/Mono have gotten really, really good since Valve got involved. I'm down to about 2 - 3 Windows applications that actually require Windows. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:29:49 PM EDT
[#21]
I have a pc that is still running Win7. It can’t be changed.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:35:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Remyrw: I'm heading there. My next build will probably be linux and then I'll do just enough to keep this one going as windows. More and more stuff comes out with Linux versions as well now. More and more of the Windows environment is becoming toxic. I personally am not a huge linux fan, but it keeps getting easier and more practical for a reasonably tech savvy user to switch. I'd have to just suck it up on a few games here or there, that'd be the big annoyance for me. Everything else is a non issue for me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Remyrw: Originally Posted By 2ANut: Win11 was the straw on the camel's back that finally convinced me to go all-Linux. It's been disheartening to watch the best OS platform decay into a cesspool of confusing/inconsistent GUIs, ads/telemetry, and forced cloud accounts. Funny enough, a lot of Windows software now works better on Linux than it does on Windows. Wine/Mono have gotten really, really good since Valve got involved. I'm down to about 2 - 3 Windows applications that actually require Windows. People have been saying the same thing for the past two decades and Windows keeps sticking around with widespread adoption. It was the same thing when W10 came around and it got the hate until W11 was launched. Linux being the next big thing has been a meme forever
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:58:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Remyrw: I'm heading there. My next build will probably be linux and then I'll do just enough to keep this one going as windows. More and more stuff comes out with Linux versions as well now. More and more of the Windows environment is becoming toxic. I personally am not a huge linux fan, but it keeps getting easier and more practical for a reasonably tech savvy user to switch. I'd have to just suck it up on a few games here or there, that'd be the big annoyance for me. Everything else is a non issue for me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Remyrw: Originally Posted By 2ANut: Win11 was the straw on the camel's back that finally convinced me to go all-Linux. It's been disheartening to watch the best OS platform decay into a cesspool of confusing/inconsistent GUIs, ads/telemetry, and forced cloud accounts. Funny enough, a lot of Windows software now works better on Linux than it does on Windows. Wine/Mono have gotten really, really good since Valve got involved. I'm down to about 2 - 3 Windows applications that actually require Windows. I still keep a windows laptop, and a windows boot drive for my workstation, but that's primarily for compatibility with clients. Most of my day to day stuff is now linux. My gripe about windows (outside of the bloat and the advertising) is that there are too many seemingly arbitrary changes to workflow as automated updates. Updates shouldn't reset or undo setting already set in the computer, especially around security and privacy. I know I'm old school on this (cue old man yelling at clouds), but I expect my OS to be a stable platform. Every time I do X, it does Y. I expect my programs and applications to behave similarly. The whole moving everything behind multiple mouse clicks thing; I don't like it, but can work around it once I figure out where they moved my stuff. But moving shit every few months because Microsoft hired some new UX guy? Fuck that. IMO, they need to stabilize the front end releases, and refocus on the back end improvements. (Which I acknowledge have been substantial from W7>W10>W11). Oh yeah, and get rid of the tracking and advertising crap. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:55:49 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Remyrw: I'm heading there. My next build will probably be linux and then I'll do just enough to keep this one going as windows. More and more stuff comes out with Linux versions as well now. More and more of the Windows environment is becoming toxic. I personally am not a huge linux fan, but it keeps getting easier and more practical for a reasonably tech savvy user to switch. I'd have to just suck it up on a few games here or there, that'd be the big annoyance for me. Everything else is a non issue for me. On the subject of games on Linux, things are so much better now than they were 20 years ago. The only game I have that doesn't work so far, is Assassin's Creed (the original). |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 5:17:25 AM EDT
[#25]
ATL+F4
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 7:00:49 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sartorius: Windows 10 LTSC for the win. No Edge. No Microsoft Store. No OneDrive. Only gets security updates and bug fixes. No feature updates. Support guaranteed for 5 years (10 if you do the IoT version). Microsoft very much doesn't want you to buy this version and make it hard to get. "Saturday, September 15, 2018, 1:09:26 AM" That is when I installed Windows 10 LTSC on this computer. The computer just works. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 8:09:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Admiral_Crunch]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZF-1: ATL+F4 Does that reboot the airport or the World of Coke? |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 8:15:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: Does that reboot the airport or the World of Coke? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: Originally Posted By ZF-1: ATL+F4 Does that reboot the airport or the World of Coke? If it resets the airport I'm willing to give it a shot. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 8:17:06 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EastRiverSD: I just want my Windows XP back |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 12:12:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2024 12:14:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mbg0001: I still keep a windows laptop, and a windows boot drive for my workstation, but that's primarily for compatibility with clients. Most of my day to day stuff is now linux. My gripe about windows (outside of the bloat and the advertising) is that there are too many seemingly arbitrary changes to workflow as automated updates. Updates shouldn't reset or undo setting already set in the computer, especially around security and privacy. I know I'm old school on this (cue old man yelling at clouds), but I expect my OS to be a stable platform. Every time I do X, it does Y. I expect my programs and applications to behave similarly. The whole moving everything behind multiple mouse clicks thing; I don't like it, but can work around it once I figure out where they moved my stuff. But moving shit every few months because Microsoft hired some new UX guy? Fuck that. IMO, they need to stabilize the front end releases, and refocus on the back end improvements. (Which I acknowledge have been substantial from W7>W10>W11). Oh yeah, and get rid of the tracking and advertising crap. Recently Microsoft rearranged the icons for my business 365 menu, they also changed the admin icon from grey to blue. How fucking infuriating is that? I wanted to make a simple email change and had to stop in the middle of my task and look through the entire list twice. The first time looking for a grey icon that didn't exist anymore and the second time reading each individual icons text. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 12:16:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: Recently Microsoft rearranged the icons for my business 365 menu, they also changed the admin icon from grey to blue. How fucking infuriating is that? I wanted to make a simple email change and had to stop in the middle of my task and look through the entire list twice. The first time looking for a grey icon that didn't exist anymore and the second time reading each individual icons text. 
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deerhurst: Win 11 is a POS from my experiences. I run Win 10 and plan to upgrade everything to Linux, probably Zorin, as time goes. Already have one machine for the reloading room that runs Zorin. I very much like it. Now, CAD devs need to forget the mac garbage and focus on making Debian and RHL releases. Back in the day, they were unix focused. (Sun, HP, IBM and SGI) Back in the late '90's, my employer had to buy a unix box to run Catia so we could continue to be a supplier to Daimler-Chrysler. At the time, ProE was developed on unix boxes and ported over to windows. The market is Windows now, so going back to any sort of unix/linux is not happening. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: Back in the day, they were unix focused. (Sun, HP, IBM and SGI) Back in the late '90's, my employer had to buy a unix box to run Catia so we could continue to be a supplier to Daimler-Chrysler. At the time, ProE was developed on unix boxes and ported over to windows. The market is Windows now, so going back to any sort of unix/linux is not happening. But Unix is the most prominent OS in the world (I forget the amount but I think it's something like 10 to 1) so not doing or maintaining a Unix port seems odd. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:20:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: Back in the day, they were unix focused. (Sun, HP, IBM and SGI) Back in the late '90's, my employer had to buy a unix box to run Catia so we could continue to be a supplier to Daimler-Chrysler. At the time, ProE was developed on unix boxes and ported over to windows. The market is Windows now, so going back to any sort of unix/linux is not happening. 
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: People have been saying the same thing for the past two decades and Windows keeps sticking around with widespread adoption. It was the same thing when W10 came around and it got the hate until W11 was launched. Linux being the next big thing has been a meme forever Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By Remyrw: Originally Posted By 2ANut: Win11 was the straw on the camel's back that finally convinced me to go all-Linux. It's been disheartening to watch the best OS platform decay into a cesspool of confusing/inconsistent GUIs, ads/telemetry, and forced cloud accounts. Funny enough, a lot of Windows software now works better on Linux than it does on Windows. Wine/Mono have gotten really, really good since Valve got involved. I'm down to about 2 - 3 Windows applications that actually require Windows. People have been saying the same thing for the past two decades and Windows keeps sticking around with widespread adoption. It was the same thing when W10 came around and it got the hate until W11 was launched. Linux being the next big thing has been a meme forever At least back to the early 90's which would have been windows 3.1. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:47:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: not_sure]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: https://www.siliconrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/201503/unix-jurassic-park-718x523.jpeg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: Originally Posted By not_sure: Back in the day, they were unix focused. (Sun, HP, IBM and SGI) Back in the late '90's, my employer had to buy a unix box to run Catia so we could continue to be a supplier to Daimler-Chrysler. At the time, ProE was developed on unix boxes and ported over to windows. The market is Windows now, so going back to any sort of unix/linux is not happening. https://www.siliconrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/201503/unix-jurassic-park-718x523.jpeg I was the one that got to do Catia. It was HP-UX thank you very much. The IBM guy was way too used car salesman so no AIX for me. ETA: I had the only unix box the company owned and had the only Catia license. I was on my own. For Catia support, there were something like 3 guys and only one that knew what he was doing. He was Asian and I want to say Indian but don't recall, but it has been over 2 decades. The other 2 would end up sending me to him when they couldn't answer my questions. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:55:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: not_sure]
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By Fallen: Recently Microsoft rearranged the icons for my business 365 menu, they also changed the admin icon from grey to blue. How fucking infuriating is that? I wanted to make a simple email change and had to stop in the middle of my task and look through the entire list twice. The first time looking for a grey icon that didn't exist anymore and the second time reading each individual icons text. https://i.giphy.com/5yuC2vIsQJdoA.webp It would be like hiring a plumber to unclog a drain and they paint your bathroom a different color while they are at it. Or they rearrange the furniture in your living room. ETA, And in the unlikely event the asshole at Microsoft in charge of changing things for no reason is reading this, fuck you, fuck your mother and fuck your dad for not using a condom. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:05:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: It would be like hiring a plumber to unclog a drain and they paint your bathroom a different color while they are at it. Or they rearrange the furniture in your living room. ETA, And in the unlikely event the asshole at Microsoft in charge of changing things for no reason is reading this, fuck you, fuck your mother and fuck your dad for not using a condom. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By Fallen: Recently Microsoft rearranged the icons for my business 365 menu, they also changed the admin icon from grey to blue. How fucking infuriating is that? I wanted to make a simple email change and had to stop in the middle of my task and look through the entire list twice. The first time looking for a grey icon that didn't exist anymore and the second time reading each individual icons text. https://i.giphy.com/5yuC2vIsQJdoA.webp It would be like hiring a plumber to unclog a drain and they paint your bathroom a different color while they are at it. Or they rearrange the furniture in your living room. ETA, And in the unlikely event the asshole at Microsoft in charge of changing things for no reason is reading this, fuck you, fuck your mother and fuck your dad for not using a condom. If I wind up pissing in the kitchen sink because the bathroom is a different color, then the plumber might not really be the pressing issue. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:20:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By st0newall: windows 2022 server datacenter master race checking in (runs on two dell laptops). its basically windows 11 with all the crap and helper things removed. actually more efficient than win11. and it retains the old style taskbar. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:38:32 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: ... What other taskbar problems am I missing that make it unusable? Has this removed feature been put back yet? ... and to make things a little more interesting, adding something like Open-Shell or playing with reghacks isn't going to fly on a corporate Citrix VDI system or a managed / locked down corp laptop. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:45:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveM4K: "Saturday, September 15, 2018, 1:09:26 AM" That is when I installed Windows 10 LTSC on this computer. The computer just works. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveM4K: Originally Posted By Sartorius: Windows 10 LTSC for the win. No Edge. No Microsoft Store. No OneDrive. Only gets security updates and bug fixes. No feature updates. Support guaranteed for 5 years (10 if you do the IoT version). Microsoft very much doesn't want you to buy this version and make it hard to get. "Saturday, September 15, 2018, 1:09:26 AM" That is when I installed Windows 10 LTSC on this computer. The computer just works. Windows 10 LTSC is the best Windows ever. I have it on four computers but I'm trying to move to linux. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:49:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Amish_Bill]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: ...Now you have the same (or more) information presented to you without having to touch a mouse at all. ... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: ...Now you have the same (or more) information presented to you without having to touch a mouse at all. ... This reminds me of the Win8 arguments between the "hit a key and type it's name" folks and the "I don't know what the eff it's called, the icon looks like 'this' and I get to it by clicking here and here" folks. Originally Posted By right_rudder: What about MacOS UI that you don't like? I assume those haven't changed since the last time I used a Mac?
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Posted: 5/10/2024 12:10:34 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: ... and here is This reminds me of the Win8 arguments between the "hit a key and type it's name" folks and the "I don't know what the eff it's called, the icon looks like 'this' and I get to it by clicking here and here" folks. It’s not just primary vs secondary input methods, the search box mixes input methods too. Click, type, click. That’s a bad UX. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:29:38 AM EDT
[#45]
MS employee: We're getting a lot of complaints about win 11.
MS higher up: Well they're wrong. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 4:52:17 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: What are Temu Server 22 DC licenses going for today? |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:48:37 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: I can't get used to the weird scrollbars and no F5 to refresh a browser window. I assume those haven't changed since the last time I used a Mac? |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:51:23 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TStick: MS employee: We're getting a lot of complaints about win 11. MS higher up: Well they're wrong. They are hampered by certain things that they can't easily change without breaking app compatibility. When you combine that with the culture at MS it makes for a very slow development cycle. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:54:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: OldGlazier]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I'm loving me some win11 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By Gordo556: I was honest about it, im not hiding it. while apple is superior for ME the more I use it and learning it, I had alot of interest in a MAC due to my devices I use personally. With my grown hatred towards new windows OS's for a while, and while my foot was out of the door because of it, windows 11 was the last straw and it gave me the final push when I experienced using it. I really had plans to stay windows due to software required for building automation controls, vehicle tuning software, and etc. it gave me the push I needed to move onto better hardware and a better OS for my personal needs. I do use W10 for my work laptop and I bust out the old windows XP laptop for old work software for antiquated/no longer supported/discontinued equipment. Classic Shell and getting rid of Safe Mode or whatever the fuck it is and I'm fine. eta: What are these ads most keep talking about? |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:10:58 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: It’s not just primary vs secondary input methods, the search box mixes input methods too. Click, type, click. That’s a bad UX. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: Originally Posted By Amish_Bill: ... and here is This reminds me of the Win8 arguments between the "hit a key and type it's name" folks and the "I don't know what the eff it's called, the icon looks like 'this' and I get to it by clicking here and here" folks. It’s not just primary vs secondary input methods, the search box mixes input methods too. Click, type, click. That’s a bad UX. 100% optional. |
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