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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:32:30 PM EDT
.357 is a wee tiny bit bitchy. Like it can drink a lot but then later pukes in the flowers. .44 Mag is like the smoking hot chick that everyone wanted in high-school but by the time you got it you where 24 and everyone else had already been there and yeah it's strong but only because it has to lift its own fat. .41 mag though, my God. #blessed
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:33:19 PM EDT
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I want to add one to my stable...
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:35:00 PM EDT
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For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:36:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DevilDog0402: For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though. I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:38:47 PM EDT
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I've always wanted a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 magnum to carry on my hip, for bear and cougars.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:38:49 PM EDT
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40s&w of revolvers
....and I kinda like 40s&w, it's just not doing anything anyone really needs past what's already available. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:39:33 PM EDT
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I really, really want a 3in 41mag for carry.
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NM, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:40:08 PM EDT
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My late mentor's personal 41 mag snubby is in a holster screwed to the bed on the wife's side.
She's never shot it. I bet she'd be more surprised than a home invader if she had to use it. That thing is energetic! |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:41:30 PM EDT
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When I find a 41 mag lever gun, it's going home with me.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:41:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DevilDog0402: For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though.  Attached FileI can get an 8-shot 357mag or a 6-shot 44mag. What does the 41mag offer that I can't already do with either of those? I found it cute that the 41AE was built off of the 41mag case early on. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:41:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: Originally Posted By DevilDog0402: For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though. I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... Smaller hole means it weighs more. .45 colt for the win!  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:42:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cascade-Dude: I've always wanted a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 magnum to carry on my hip, for bear and cougars. Do it. I have a few of them, one of my favorite calibers. |
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BC, CAN
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:44:04 PM EDT
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It's the only one of the bunch that was designed to be a Magnum handgun cartridge from the outset and is the most ballistically efficient as a result.
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:44:10 PM EDT
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Fudd caliber.
And mean that only affectionately. Being a hard-core fudd myself. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:46:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jason280]
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:47:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Smaller hole means it weighs more. .45 colt for the win! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20240101_112654_jpg-3168488.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Unlubed: Originally Posted By DevilDog0402: For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though. I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... Smaller hole means it weighs more. .45 colt for the win! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20240101_112654_jpg-3168488.JPG I don't think with home reloaded options. 45 colt is in the same conversation as .357, .41, and .44. I love the round, but I don't think that big of a case and the fact Blackhawks exist makes it relevant. Kind of like factory only 10mm shooters vs. Reloaders. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DevilDog0402: Yes, but it depends in what you want to do with it. It can't come close to the energy of the top .44 Mag loads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DevilDog0402: Originally Posted By Unlubed: I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:52:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. You will not see a difference in the field between .41 and .429. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:52:17 PM EDT
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Sorry OP, I like mine round and fat..
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:55:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: You will not see a difference in the field between .41 and .429. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:55:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Smaller hole means it weighs more. .45 colt for the win! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20240101_112654_jpg-3168488.JPG I played around with the .41 mag for a few years. Mostly Blackhawks and 1 Redhawk. Great round, but I graduated to .45 Colt and don't really miss my .41s. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:57:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DevilDog0402: No, but there's a BIG difference between a 340 grain bullet and a 270 grain bullet. Kind of where my train of thought was headed. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 8:58:32 PM EDT
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Hits a little harder than a .357 and weighs the same as a .44. Maybe not enough of positive attributes to make the cut? Both of those calibers also have little brothers for range day practice.
I get it OP. I’d buy one if ammo were readily available and someone made a 6 round 4” revolver under say 38 oz. That would make a great woods carry. There are just so many great calibers that never caught on for one reason or another. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:04:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jason280: Do it. I have a few of them, one of my favorite calibers. Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jason280: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/15608/41_Mag_Rugers__1__JPG-3168492.JPG eta: I have to find it, but I have a stainless Bisley in .41 Mag as well... Very nice! The top one is what I'd want for hiking. :) |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Smaller hole means it weighs more. .45 colt for the win! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20240101_112654_jpg-3168488.JPG Back when I was doing a lot of various power calculations such as, TKO and foot lbs the 45colt Ruger only loads made most if not all 357,41 and 44 loads look weak. I have a 41 black hawk. While i enjoy it it’s nothing magical. TKO calculator |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:06:56 PM EDT
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I own a sw model 657 6” and I have to say it’s almost a 44 magnum. I’ve loaded spicy and it’s controllable and I shoot what’s called a police 41 mag load that’s enjoyable on the hands. I shoot it more than my 629 or my super Blackhawk.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:08:09 PM EDT
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First we're talking old fashioned revolvers when that or a 1911 was the service handgun. Folks looking for power went right to a 44mag.
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:09:15 PM EDT
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I don't think it had much purpose to begin with. Had it been stuffed into a medium frame early on (Taurus made one way later), it probably would have been a lot more popular from the get go.
It doesn't make sense to carry the weight of the N-frame and not just go with .44 mag instead. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:09:20 PM EDT
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Because it has no advantage whatsoever over 44 mag
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USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:09:50 PM EDT
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Currently have a Blackhawk in.41. If Colt would make a .41 Anaconda, I would throw money at them. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:11:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: I don't think with home reloaded options. 45 colt is in the same conversation as .357, .41, and .44. I love the round, but I don't think that big of a case and the fact Blackhawks exist makes it relevant. Kind of like factory only 10mm shooters vs. Reloaders. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Unlubed: Originally Posted By DevilDog0402: For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though. I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... Smaller hole means it weighs more. .45 colt for the win! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20240101_112654_jpg-3168488.JPG I don't think with home reloaded options. 45 colt is in the same conversation as .357, .41, and .44. I love the round, but I don't think that big of a case and the fact Blackhawks exist makes it relevant. Kind of like factory only 10mm shooters vs. Reloaders. Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what you just said? |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:13:55 PM EDT
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The thing that I like about .41 Mag is that it was sort of the answer to the perfect anti-personnel revolver cartridge. Even Elmer Keith in his waning years admitted that what the industry was doing with the .44 Mag was more than what he had envisioned. It was just too much for police work after years of being hot-rodded as a long range deer hunting round. The .41 Mag was/is the perfect hybrid of .357 controllability and shootability with better ballistic payload in every respect. If S&W hadn't force-fucked its K-frame to (sort of) handle the .357 I think the .41 Mag would have been a contender. Alas.....
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:14:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what you just said? Yeah I’m lost as well. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:16:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sakohntr: When I find a 41 mag lever gun, it's going home with me. This. Been looking for many years |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:18:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: Back when I was doing a lot of various power calculations such as, TKO and foot lbs the 45colt Ruger only loads made most if not all 357,41 and 44 loads look weak. I have a 41 black hawk. While i enjoy it it’s nothing magical. TKO calculator Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: Originally Posted By 03RN: Smaller hole means it weighs more. .45 colt for the win! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20240101_112654_jpg-3168488.JPG Back when I was doing a lot of various power calculations such as, TKO and foot lbs the 45colt Ruger only loads made most if not all 357,41 and 44 loads look weak. I have a 41 black hawk. While i enjoy it it’s nothing magical. TKO calculator I typically just keep 270gr swc at 1000fps. Definitely not a barn burner but I can still hit sub 3 second bill drills with it. If I want 325grs at 1325fps I'll use my Blackhawk  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:18:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Couch-Commando]
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Same reason as 16 gauge.
ETA: I'm someone who loads 44 magnum to 41 magnum power levels. 
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:18:46 PM EDT
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I dunno know, I'm not a .41 magnum shooter, although I do have experience with Herter's .401 Powermag and would imagine they're similar.
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:20:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 19ontheslide: The thing that I like about .41 Mag is that it was sort of the answer to the perfect anti-personnel revolver cartridge. Even Elmer Keith in his waning years admitted that what the industry was doing with the .44 Mag was more than what he had envisioned. It was just too much for police work after years of being hot-rodded as a long range deer hunting round. The .41 Mag was/is the perfect hybrid of .357 controllability and shootability with better ballistic payload in every respect. If S&W hadn't force-fucked its K-frame to (sort of) handle the .357 I think the .41 Mag would have been a contender. Alas..... Or just load a 240gr swc at 1000fps for the .44 |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:31:05 PM EDT
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Back in the 70’s & 80’s, if you went exclusively by the hottest factory loads that were available at that time using the 210 gr for .41 mag and 240 gr for .44 mag, you could actually argue that the .41 had the better edge, since the 210 grain shoots flatter and faster, and the difference in ft lbs of energy was insignificant.
I’ve hand loaded the .41 mag since the late 70’s, I like the capability of loading my “.41 Special” loads with hard cast lead and Unique powder OR hotter than factory loads but not exceeding max loads of reloading manuals with H110 and JHP or JFP. A max load with a .41 mag has slightly less perceived recoil than a max load .44 mag in identical S&W N frames, and I guarantee that a whitetail or mulie can’t tell the difference in what hit them, I’ve take several of each, and I suspect it would be the same with a black bear. I have 2 Model 58’s (4”), and a Model 57 w/8 3/8”. One of the 58’s was heavily modified before I found it. It has a bobbed hammer (DAO), converted to round butt, and the right side of the trigger guard has been “scalloped”, making it more convenient to lay your trigger finger straight alongside the trigger. It was my EDC for 2 decades, I stopped carrying it with one speed loader when I switched to a 1911 with an extra mag, just to have a few extra rounds on me. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:36:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Or just load a 240gr swc at 1000fps for the .44 Yeah iirc 10gn of unique and a 240gn swc is a great match. Would have to look my load up. My dad told me about it years ago when I got my first 44 S&W. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:39:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sakohntr: When I find a 41 mag lever gun, it's going home with me. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 9:56:07 PM EDT
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Gun writers who don't know a cylinder from a chamber and are bought by ad money doomed the .41 just like the 10 mm. Both of them fill a spot/need and have not gone away.
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:02:20 PM EDT
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As said, it isn't popular because it wasn't made in its originally intended lower power range for a K frame. Reloading both .41 & .44, it is hard to find an argument for .41 being better at any weight / power, and .44 clearly tops out above it. It is however also hard to find an argument that you have to have that extra for most purposes. 41 really doesn't shoot flatter by a significant amount. For S&W, there is a little more metal in the gun and it may be a bit heavier, stronger, and shoot a bit softer.
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mindless: Gun writers who don't know a cylinder from a chamber and are bought by ad money doomed the .41 just like the 10 mm. Both of them fill a spot/need and have not gone away. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:06:44 PM EDT
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Or just load a 240gr swc at 1000fps for the .44 Or a 230 grain SWC at 850 FPS in .45 auto-rim cases. A lot of the .41 Magnum's performance advantage was simply from being a SWC bullet at a time when most revolvers still fired round nosed bullets. A distaste for hollow points was common when the .41 was first introduced. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:08:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jayne_Cobb]
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The ballistic niche of 16 gauge, within the market share of revolvers.
Crap, that's me. 
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:39:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Unlubed: Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. Got any links to what you've read? Was it actual studies or weird internet people talk? .019 really going to make that big of a difference you think? 19 thousandths of an inch. Originally Posted By 03RN: Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what you just said? no Originally Posted By Mindless: Gun writers who don't know a cylinder from a chamber and are bought by ad money doomed the .41 just like the 10 mm. Both of them fill a spot/need and have not gone away. When you say need you mean something they do that nothing else does or something else? 10mm being one of the baddest things you can put in a conventional semi auto is noteworthy. 41 Mag basically needs the same stuff a 44 mag/45 Colt needs but you aren't really gaining anything. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:45:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Unlubed: .357 is a wee tiny bit bitchy. Like it can drink a lot but then later pukes in the flowers. .44 Mag is like the smoking hot chick that everyone wanted in high-school but by the time you got it you where 24 and everyone else had already been there and yeah it's strong but only because it has to lift its own fat. .41 mag though, my God. #blessed Really. What can 41 do that the more popular options cant? |
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