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Link Posted: 5/9/2024 7:39:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By salsa:

In would love to go down the DWX train v but I need an optics cut dang it.
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Supposedly hitting dealers this month.
Link Posted: 5/9/2024 7:48:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Atom556:


Just because you can shoot well with a shitty Glock trigger doesn’t mean you should limit yourself to one.
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Wilson Combat flat face trigger. It's a game changer in the Gen 5's.
Link Posted: 5/9/2024 7:59:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Curdmugeon45:


Wilson Combat flat face trigger. It's a game changer in the Gen 5's.
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Originally Posted By Curdmugeon45:
Originally Posted By Atom556:


Just because you can shoot well with a shitty Glock trigger doesn’t mean you should limit yourself to one.


Wilson Combat flat face trigger. It's a game changer in the Gen 5's.

SAO pistols with equal or higher capacity to striker is the game changer
Link Posted: 5/9/2024 8:22:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Curdmugeon45:


Wilson Combat flat face trigger. It's a game changer in the Gen 5's.
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Originally Posted By Curdmugeon45:
Originally Posted By Atom556:


Just because you can shoot well with a shitty Glock trigger doesn’t mean you should limit yourself to one.


Wilson Combat flat face trigger. It's a game changer in the Gen 5's.


Link Posted: 5/9/2024 10:32:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DetroitSounds:
Because I hate external manual safeties on pistols.

Pistols are a secondary tool. If you're going for looks and range fun, then fuck yeah, get a nice 1911.
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Not for me. And not for a lot of people.

Odds are really good that if I ever need a gun, all I'll have is a pistol.
Link Posted: 5/9/2024 10:34:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:

SAO pistols with equal or higher capacity to striker is the game changer
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
Originally Posted By Curdmugeon45:
Originally Posted By Atom556:


Just because you can shoot well with a shitty Glock trigger doesn’t mean you should limit yourself to one.


Wilson Combat flat face trigger. It's a game changer in the Gen 5's.

SAO pistols with equal or higher capacity to striker is the game changer


Link Posted: 5/9/2024 10:40:10 PM EDT
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Hands-down, the best advancements in the last decade with pistols is removable FCGs like the P320 and APX and three specific pistols.

1. Reliable, affordable 2011s for carry like the Staccato P
2. Reliable, affordable 2011s for competition that take a common magazine like the DWX
3. Reliable, affordable 2011s for Glock poors like the Platypus.
Link Posted: 5/10/2024 9:36:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


It's been hilarious to watch all this.

Waaaaaaaay back when, I was the guy saying Glocks weren't all that great and 1911's had a lot going for them if you could learn to live with what a pain in the ass they could be only to be greeted by wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Now everywhere I go it's 2011 bros.

This is your brain. This is your brain on Stack-a-toe...any questions?



DA/SA is next up in the order of rotation. And I'll be the weird motherfucker who was using a Beretta 92 or a P30 when everybody else was stroking it to striker-fired yet again.

I feel like Barbara Mandrell. I was country when country wasn't cool.

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I shoot DA/SA more than anything else.  Running my Shadow 2 and DWX back to back on the clock is a wash. The biggest difference between the two is the fact the slide is lightened on the Shadow 2, not the action.

Link Posted: 5/12/2024 12:28:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy:


I shoot DA/SA more than anything else.  Running my Shadow 2 and DWX back to back on the clock is a wash. The biggest difference between the two is the fact the slide is lightened on the Shadow 2, not the action.

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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy:
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


It's been hilarious to watch all this.

Waaaaaaaay back when, I was the guy saying Glocks weren't all that great and 1911's had a lot going for them if you could learn to live with what a pain in the ass they could be only to be greeted by wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Now everywhere I go it's 2011 bros.

This is your brain. This is your brain on Stack-a-toe...any questions?



DA/SA is next up in the order of rotation. And I'll be the weird motherfucker who was using a Beretta 92 or a P30 when everybody else was stroking it to striker-fired yet again.

I feel like Barbara Mandrell. I was country when country wasn't cool.



I shoot DA/SA more than anything else.  Running my Shadow 2 and DWX back to back on the clock is a wash. The biggest difference between the two is the fact the slide is lightened on the Shadow 2, not the action.


Why are u gross like that
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 12:43:35 PM EDT
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Whelp, I just blew my Atlas piggy bank on reloading components.

Pros: Lots and lots of pew pew.
Cons: Sentenced to another ~3 months of striker purgatory for my crimes.
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 3:33:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ken_mays:


That is the GTS variant, frame mounted decocker.  Brought to you by the one guy who thought the Browning BDM frame lever was a great idea.
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Originally Posted By 96Ag:
Originally Posted By garn:
Redeeming thread with DA/SA master race:

https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/20240121_131333-800x600.jpg
What is this sorcery? I've never seen a 92 with a frame mounted safety that wasn't SAO. Taurus yes, Beretta no.


That is the GTS variant, frame mounted decocker.  Brought to you by the one guy who thought the Browning BDM frame lever was a great idea.
@ken_mays

Do I detect derision in that answer? Is there something wrong with it? I've always thought that the slide mounted safety was a knock against the 92, correct? I haven't shot a 92 since the early 90's.
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 5:15:49 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/12/2024 5:20:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ken_mays:


With the GTS variant, you move the lever up to decock.   Yuck
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Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
Originally Posted By garn:
Redeeming thread with DA/SA master race:

https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/20240121_131333-800x600.jpg
What is this sorcery? I've never seen a 92 with a frame mounted safety that wasn't SAO. Taurus yes, Beretta no.


That is the GTS variant, frame mounted decocker.  Brought to you by the one guy who thought the Browning BDM frame lever was a great idea.
@ken_mays

Do I detect derision in that answer? Is there something wrong with it? I've always thought that the slide mounted safety was a knock against the 92, correct? I haven't shot a 92 since the early 90's.


With the GTS variant, you move the lever up to decock.   Yuck

That's why we stay with SINGLE ACTION ONLY
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 5:23:08 PM EDT
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Another SAO range day yesterday. I didn't take any pics, was having too much fun.

Shot my FM90 Hi Power, M18, SP-01 SAO, .22 M9 Beretta and my buddies Staccato P. He's had the Staccato for less than a couple of weeks and already put 550 rounds through it. I've put 100 through it.

I like shooting the Staccato P as much as the CZ, but I prefer the lightness of his Staccato.

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I'm definitely going to get a Staccato P with aluminum frame for my next gun at this point. I'm sold. Until then, I'll switch to the CZ after I swap out the low-profile standard safeties for the extended CZ Custom SP-01 Shadow safeties.

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Link Posted: 5/12/2024 5:29:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:
Another SAO range day yesterday. I didn't take any pics, was having too much fun.

Shot my FM90 Hi Power, M18, SP-01 SAO, .22 M9 Beretta and my buddies Staccato P. He's had the Staccato for less than a couple of weeks and already put 550 rounds through it. I've put 100 through it.

I like shooting the Staccato P as much as the CZ, but I prefer the lightness of his Staccato.

Refresher pics
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/20220715_182715_jpg-3212682.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/M18_Carry_Gun_jpg-3212683.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/Cajunized_SP-01_SA_Conversion_jpg-3212684.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/Beretta_M9_22_with_Q_El_Camino_jpg-3212685.JPG

I'm definitely going to get a Staccato P with aluminum frame for my next gun at this point. I'm sold. Until then, I'll switch to the CZ after I swap out the low-profile standard safeties for the extended CZ Custom SP-01 Shadow safeties.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/CZ_Custom_SP-01_Shadow_Safety_png-3212687.JPG
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Use code "$125MAGS" for zero percent off at MBX
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 5:41:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:

Use code "$125MAGS" for zero percent off at MBX
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I'm trying to get my buddy to buy Prodigy mags for his Staccato, but he's sticking to OEM mags (he has 4 so far and is ordering more) and won't let me convince him to buy Atlas mags.
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 6:04:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:



I'm trying to get my buddy to buy Prodigy mags for his Staccato, but he's sticking to OEM mags (he has 4 so far and is ordering more) and won't let me convince him to buy Atlas mags.
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:

Use code "$125MAGS" for zero percent off at MBX



I'm trying to get my buddy to buy Prodigy mags for his Staccato, but he's sticking to OEM mags (he has 4 so far and is ordering more) and won't let me convince him to buy Atlas mags.

That metric nonsense jargon means 29 rounds.

This one hurt.

Link Posted: 5/12/2024 6:06:38 PM EDT
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You can get more rounds if you choose non slide lock followers but that's really gay gun game shit and all guns must be shot until slide lock.

Practicing at the range? Slide lock.

Shoot some communist asshole robber? YOU GUESSED IT! SLIDE LOCK

Link Posted: 5/12/2024 6:06:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:

That metric nonsense jargon means 29 rounds.

This one hurt.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20240512_180340_Gmail-3212710.jpg
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He only wants flush-fit 120mm mags. If it was me, I'd 50/50 a mix of 140mm/120mm magazines. Probably a couple dozen, too.
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 6:20:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:

He only wants flush-fit 120mm mags. If it was me, I'd 50/50 a mix of 140mm/120mm magazines. Probably a couple dozen, too.
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:

That metric nonsense jargon means 29 rounds.

This one hurt.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20240512_180340_Gmail-3212710.jpg

He only wants flush-fit 120mm mags. If it was me, I'd 50/50 a mix of 140mm/120mm magazines. Probably a couple dozen, too.

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Link Posted: 5/12/2024 6:43:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:
Another SAO range day yesterday. I didn't take any pics, was having too much fun.

Shot my FM90 Hi Power, M18, SP-01 SAO, .22 M9 Beretta and my buddies Staccato P. He's had the Staccato for less than a couple of weeks and already put 550 rounds through it. I've put 100 through it.

I like shooting the Staccato P as much as the CZ, but I prefer the lightness of his Staccato.

Refresher pics
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/20220715_182715_jpg-3212682.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/M18_Carry_Gun_jpg-3212683.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/Cajunized_SP-01_SA_Conversion_jpg-3212684.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/Beretta_M9_22_with_Q_El_Camino_jpg-3212685.JPG

I'm definitely going to get a Staccato P with aluminum frame for my next gun at this point. I'm sold. Until then, I'll switch to the CZ after I swap out the low-profile standard safeties for the extended CZ Custom SP-01 Shadow safeties.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/CZ_Custom_SP-01_Shadow_Safety_png-3212687.JPG
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Wonderful selection of pistols. Not certain we can truly consider the M18 to be a SAO though…At best it’s debatable
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 6:50:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rudukai13:


Wonderful selection of pistols. Not certain we can truly consider the M18 to be a SAO though…At best it’s debatable
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I'll accept debatable.

And thanks!
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 6:54:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
You can get more rounds if you choose non slide lock followers but that's really gay gun game shit and all guns must be shot until slide lock.

Practicing at the range? Slide lock.

Shoot some communist asshole robber? YOU GUESSED IT! SLIDE LOCK

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Paul Harrell says to never shoot to slide lock, unless it's for illustrative purposes only.
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 7:02:34 PM EDT
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Paul Harrell says to never shoot to slide lock, unless it's for illustrative purposes only.
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Originally Posted By Ohio:
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
You can get more rounds if you choose non slide lock followers but that's really gay gun game shit and all guns must be shot until slide lock.

Practicing at the range? Slide lock.

Shoot some communist asshole robber? YOU GUESSED IT! SLIDE LOCK




Paul Harrell says to never shoot to slide lock, unless it's for illustrative purposes only.

He is based, and I have nothing negative to say about him.

But I will be mag dumping
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 7:13:17 PM EDT
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There's a member here who has a ridiculous extended 1911 mag he bought at a gun show and I'm ashamed I can't remember who.

It's like a 30 round single stack 45 mag and it's amazing
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Hymie Liebman of San Antonio came up with the idea I believe.

He made full auto 1911’s with extended mags and sometimes a Thompson fire grip.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_S._Lehman
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 8:41:38 PM EDT
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Paul Harrell says to never shoot to slide lock, unless it's for illustrative purposes only.
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Yeah. That's not how it works.
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 8:53:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tsonda4570:

Hymie Liebman of San Antonio came up with the idea I believe.

He made full auto 1911’s with extended mags and sometimes a Thompson fire grip.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_S._Lehman
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Originally Posted By tsonda4570:
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
There's a member here who has a ridiculous extended 1911 mag he bought at a gun show and I'm ashamed I can't remember who.

It's like a 30 round single stack 45 mag and it's amazing

Hymie Liebman of San Antonio came up with the idea I believe.

He made full auto 1911’s with extended mags and sometimes a Thompson fire grip.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_S._Lehman




https://www.guns.com/news/2012/09/26/lebman-1911-machine-pistol

Not select fire. Still SAO. Inspiration for:

Link Posted: 5/12/2024 8:57:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


Yeah. That's not how it works.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By Ohio:
Paul Harrell says to never shoot to slide lock, unless it's for illustrative purposes only.


Yeah. That's not how it works.

TEAM SLIDE LOCK
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 9:22:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rudukai13:
Originally Posted By tsonda4570:
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
There's a member here who has a ridiculous extended 1911 mag he bought at a gun show and I'm ashamed I can't remember who.

It's like a 30 round single stack 45 mag and it's amazing

Hymie Liebman of San Antonio came up with the idea I believe.

He made full auto 1911’s with extended mags and sometimes a Thompson fire grip.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_S._Lehman


https://images.guns.com/wordpress/2012/12/1348162654179lebman_replica_cover1.jpg

https://www.guns.com/news/2012/09/26/lebman-1911-machine-pistol

Not select fire. Still SAO. Inspiration for:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/IMG_9371-3206672.jpg


Thanks for the photo.
Link Posted: 5/13/2024 5:50:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
You can get more rounds if you choose non slide lock followers but that's really gay gun game shit and all guns must be shot until slide lock.

Practicing at the range? Slide lock.

Shoot some communist asshole robber? YOU GUESSED IT! SLIDE LOCK

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Shooting to slide lock means you fucked up.

I shot to slide lock on a stage yesterday. You know why? Because I forgot my heckin reload while I was running from my previous targets.
Link Posted: 5/13/2024 5:53:33 PM EDT
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Yeah. That's not how it works.
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Yes it is.
Link Posted: 5/13/2024 8:03:52 PM EDT
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Shooting to slide lock means you fucked up.

I shot to slide lock on a stage yesterday. You know why? Because I forgot my heckin reload while I was running from my previous targets.
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And yes, it IS annoying when that happens.
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


Shooting to slide lock means you fucked up.

I shot to slide lock on a stage yesterday. You know why? Because I forgot my heckin reload while I was running from my previous targets.
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
You can get more rounds if you choose non slide lock followers but that's really gay gun game shit and all guns must be shot until slide lock.

Practicing at the range? Slide lock.

Shoot some communist asshole robber? YOU GUESSED IT! SLIDE LOCK



Shooting to slide lock means you fucked up.

I shot to slide lock on a stage yesterday. You know why? Because I forgot my heckin reload while I was running from my previous targets.

I like to shoot to slide lock though
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There's dudes that like it when their Tinder date whips out a heckin jackhammer, that doesn't make it good.
Link Posted: 5/13/2024 10:31:09 PM EDT
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Never left.
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I haven't returned to single action for my carry shit because it's too expensive and heavy

I want a CS or C for carry to replace my 365x, but by the time I get new lighsts/dots/holsters/mags it will be $3k additional over the cost of a basic bitch 365x, which I already have set up.





shot my ACW at the range this week and it's really tits, just a heavy low banger to carry EDC
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Yes it is.
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I know quite a few people who have been in gunfights. Inside the US and outside the US.

The number of them that reported they could accurately count their rounds fired is tiny, and those who could were usually the aggressors in the situations, and it wasn't their first time involved in a deadly force encounter.

So if a dude has been in a lot of gunfights and he's the one pushing the fight, he might well accurately track how many rounds he's fired. Or if he's just exceptionally cool under life or death stress.

For normal earth people who are not exceptionally gifted in that regard or who haven't been acclimated to the level of stress involved by repeated exposure, it's not a realistic expectation.

So the idea that you don't run to slide lock is bullshit. Most people will run until the fight is over or the gun stops making loud noises. If the fight is over we definitely spend time in class training them to get a full gun just in case hostilities resume and to be proactive about keeping the gun loaded whenever it is possible to do so. But that's about as good as it will get for someone who has just been through something novel, highly traumatic, and as stressful as it gets.

If you're talking about gaming...do whatever the fuck you want in a game. Even in games the number of dudes who can stay accurate on their round count when their plan experiences a hiccup is relatively small. I don't compete every weekend but I'm also no stranger to matches and watching people (including myself) fuck up a perfectly good stage plan is the dominant experience. A buddy of mine had his gun shear one of the locking lugs off the barrel. He got a stoppage, performed a remedial action, and then stared blankly at the two halves of his gun now in each hand. Watching the go-pro shift back and forth as he looked at both of his hands repeatedly was hilarious.

Guess how his stage planning and round counting went the rest of the day when he transitioned to a backup gun? The rest of his match was a shitshow.

The difference between a match and real life is that in real life if you need your gun in the first place it's because a lot of shit has gone wrong. You likely aren't accurately counting rounds in that circumstance. The kind of shit that utterly ruins a competitor's match? That's where a fight generally starts for the typical citizen defender.
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 8:26:15 AM EDT
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Another SAO is on its way to my FFL.

Checkmate, bigots.
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I know quite a few people who have been in gunfights. Inside the US and outside the US.

The number of them that reported they could accurately count their rounds fired is tiny, and those who could were usually the aggressors in the situations, and it wasn't their first time involved in a deadly force encounter.

So if a dude has been in a lot of gunfights and he's the one pushing the fight, he might well accurately track how many rounds he's fired. Or if he's just exceptionally cool under life or death stress.

For normal earth people who are not exceptionally gifted in that regard or who haven't been acclimated to the level of stress involved by repeated exposure, it's not a realistic expectation.

So the idea that you don't run to slide lock is bullshit. Most people will run until the fight is over or the gun stops making loud noises. If the fight is over we definitely spend time in class training them to get a full gun just in case hostilities resume and to be proactive about keeping the gun loaded whenever it is possible to do so. But that's about as good as it will get for someone who has just been through something novel, highly traumatic, and as stressful as it gets.

If you're talking about gaming...do whatever the fuck you want in a game. Even in games the number of dudes who can stay accurate on their round count when their plan experiences a hiccup is relatively small. I don't compete every weekend but I'm also no stranger to matches and watching people (including myself) fuck up a perfectly good stage plan is the dominant experience. A buddy of mine had his gun shear one of the locking lugs off the barrel. He got a stoppage, performed a remedial action, and then stared blankly at the two halves of his gun now in each hand. Watching the go-pro shift back and forth as he looked at both of his hands repeatedly was hilarious.

Guess how his stage planning and round counting went the rest of the day when he transitioned to a backup gun? The rest of his match was a shitshow.

The difference between a match and real life is that in real life if you need your gun in the first place it's because a lot of shit has gone wrong. You likely aren't accurately counting rounds in that circumstance.
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Behind this wall text of second-hand tactibro bullshit I can tell you don't even understand the conversation. It's not about Paul Harrell specifically. I actually agree about trying to count your rounds, Paul can only do this because of 99th percentile autism superpowers. Counting rounds isn't what we are talking about. Not in games, or real life. I also don't need you to tell me the difference between games and real life.

I am not saying you should count your rounds. I am saying you should always try to proactively reload.  In real life this is preferably done from behind cover and/or between movements, maybe on the move, depends. If you need explained to you that yes, the magazine getting swapped out will usually have 1-10 rounds left in it, then you should just sit this one out.

You should still practice slide/bolt lock reloads because we are human and its possible to fuck up, especially in a gunfight. You should emphasize getting good at them only because of how catastrophic a fuck up it is or can be.
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 9:34:50 AM EDT
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My only SAO is a communist. Zastava M57. Pic not mine, stolen like a good communist from the communists at Wikipedia

Need to go shoot it more. I like it, terrible sights though

ETA: I forgot I have a Ruger Wrangler too
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 9:45:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AK-12:
Another SAO is on its way to my FFL.

Checkmate, bigots.
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I just  ordered another SA/DA last night. But as a poor, I ordered a Turkish copy of an obsolete European pistol.
Tisas MC14 G84.

But I will carry it cocked and locked, ignoring the DA function. No crappy decocker on this one.
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 12:27:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


I know quite a few people who have been in gunfights. Inside the US and outside the US.

The number of them that reported they could accurately count their rounds fired is tiny, and those who could were usually the aggressors in the situations, and it wasn't their first time involved in a deadly force encounter.

So if a dude has been in a lot of gunfights and he's the one pushing the fight, he might well accurately track how many rounds he's fired. Or if he's just exceptionally cool under life or death stress.

For normal earth people who are not exceptionally gifted in that regard or who haven't been acclimated to the level of stress involved by repeated exposure, it's not a realistic expectation.

So the idea that you don't run to slide lock is bullshit. Most people will run until the fight is over or the gun stops making loud noises. If the fight is over we definitely spend time in class training them to get a full gun just in case hostilities resume and to be proactive about keeping the gun loaded whenever it is possible to do so. But that's about as good as it will get for someone who has just been through something novel, highly traumatic, and as stressful as it gets.

If you're talking about gaming...do whatever the fuck you want in a game. Even in games the number of dudes who can stay accurate on their round count when their plan experiences a hiccup is relatively small. I don't compete every weekend but I'm also no stranger to matches and watching people (including myself) fuck up a perfectly good stage plan is the dominant experience. A buddy of mine had his gun shear one of the locking lugs off the barrel. He got a stoppage, performed a remedial action, and then stared blankly at the two halves of his gun now in each hand. Watching the go-pro shift back and forth as he looked at both of his hands repeatedly was hilarious.

Guess how his stage planning and round counting went the rest of the day when he transitioned to a backup gun? The rest of his match was a shitshow.

The difference between a match and real life is that in real life if you need your gun in the first place it's because a lot of shit has gone wrong. You likely aren't accurately counting rounds in that circumstance. The kind of shit that utterly ruins a competitor's match? That's where a fight generally starts for the typical citizen defender.
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


Yes it is.


I know quite a few people who have been in gunfights. Inside the US and outside the US.

The number of them that reported they could accurately count their rounds fired is tiny, and those who could were usually the aggressors in the situations, and it wasn't their first time involved in a deadly force encounter.

So if a dude has been in a lot of gunfights and he's the one pushing the fight, he might well accurately track how many rounds he's fired. Or if he's just exceptionally cool under life or death stress.

For normal earth people who are not exceptionally gifted in that regard or who haven't been acclimated to the level of stress involved by repeated exposure, it's not a realistic expectation.

So the idea that you don't run to slide lock is bullshit. Most people will run until the fight is over or the gun stops making loud noises. If the fight is over we definitely spend time in class training them to get a full gun just in case hostilities resume and to be proactive about keeping the gun loaded whenever it is possible to do so. But that's about as good as it will get for someone who has just been through something novel, highly traumatic, and as stressful as it gets.

If you're talking about gaming...do whatever the fuck you want in a game. Even in games the number of dudes who can stay accurate on their round count when their plan experiences a hiccup is relatively small. I don't compete every weekend but I'm also no stranger to matches and watching people (including myself) fuck up a perfectly good stage plan is the dominant experience. A buddy of mine had his gun shear one of the locking lugs off the barrel. He got a stoppage, performed a remedial action, and then stared blankly at the two halves of his gun now in each hand. Watching the go-pro shift back and forth as he looked at both of his hands repeatedly was hilarious.

Guess how his stage planning and round counting went the rest of the day when he transitioned to a backup gun? The rest of his match was a shitshow.

The difference between a match and real life is that in real life if you need your gun in the first place it's because a lot of shit has gone wrong. You likely aren't accurately counting rounds in that circumstance. The kind of shit that utterly ruins a competitor's match? That's where a fight generally starts for the typical citizen defender.

Brasscrossedrifles btfo

Team slide lock wins again
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 12:29:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:

Brasscrossedrifles btfo

Team slide lock wins again
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Nah, it was a dumb post with a strawman argument based on second hand tactard bullshit that has been obsolete since before even my time.
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 8:19:54 PM EDT
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This. Great Grandpa didn't win two world wars by shooting his 7 round mags (in a SAO) to slide lock.

Bang, bang bangbangbang (3-5 dead japs) take cover, reload then repeat.

Call in nukes

BTFO
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 8:42:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek:


This. Great Grandpa didn't win two world wars by shooting his 7 round mags (in a SAO) to slide lock.

Bang, bang bangbangbang (3-5 dead japs) take cover, reload then repeat.

Call in nukes

BTFO
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek:
Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:

you should always try to proactively reload.  


This. Great Grandpa didn't win two world wars by shooting his 7 round mags (in a SAO) to slide lock.

Bang, bang bangbangbang (3-5 dead japs) take cover, reload then repeat.

Call in nukes

BTFO

Link Posted: 5/14/2024 8:56:55 PM EDT
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I'm not transitioning to anything.  I have a million spare parts, mags for my current gun.  My 6 holsters are about $100 each.  The juice ain't worth....
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 9:59:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AK-12:
Another SAO is on its way to my FFL.

Checkmate, bigots.
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Wha’d’ya get?
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 10:04:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ginger-mech:
My only SAO is a communist. Zastava M57. Pic not mine, stolen like a good communist from the communists at Wikipedia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Tokarev_M57_Yugoslavian_7.62x25mm_G77658_L_DSC7776.jpg/1280px-Tokarev_M57_Yugoslavian_7.62x25mm_G77658_L_DSC7776.jpg
Need to go shoot it more. I like it, terrible sights though

ETA: I forgot I have a Ruger Wrangler too
https://i.imgur.com/GLjb3ih.jpeg
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I really wish someone would make a 2011-ized Tokarev.

I wonder if anyone makes a doublestack TT-33…

Tokarev Double Stack 7.62x25mm Khyberpass


I just came
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 10:07:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AK-12:
Another SAO is on its way to my FFL.

Checkmate, bigots.
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I love the bigot meme so much.
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