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I am caught up to the current episode #8 and I have a question. Were they really lady bosses in that era? I get the feeling women were pretty much treated like property back then and then all the sudden a lady boss pops up. Is that realistic for that time frame or is that just modern wokeness infecting every thing good?
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Originally Posted By TheLookingGlass: I am caught up to the current episode #8 and I have a question. Were they really lady bosses in that era? I get the feeling women were pretty much treated like property back then and then all the sudden a lady boss pops up. Is that realistic for that time frame or is that just modern wokeness infecting every thing good? View Quote It's aristocracy. Feudalism. Family name. Title. |
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: I got a chuckle out of the attention to detail. The lords all sit cross-legged, rather than in stereotypical "samurai seiza". Seiza was an Edo-period traditional made up so it would be more difficult for courtiers to lunge at one another (or their superiors). Shogun is pre-Edo (literally, as we see Edo being built). View Quote you're right about anza/agoura being period-accurate, but i can tell you for a fact that it is much easier to generate explosive movements out of seiza than anza. think of seiza as a cocked hammer, with your legs tucked under you so that you can make immediate use of the most powerful muscles in your body. anza has no such positional energy. when tokugawa (toranaga's historical model) decided to tame the samurai, ogasawara ryu reigi became the basis for warrior-class etiquette. |
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Looks like things are about to get really spicey
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Originally Posted By sirensong: you're right about anza/agoura being period-accurate, but i can tell you for a fact that it is much easier to generate explosive movements out of seiza than anza. think of seiza as a cocked hammer, with your legs tucked under you so that you can make immediate use of the most powerful muscles in your body. anza has no such positional energy. when tokugawa (toranaga's historical model) decided to tame the samurai, ogasawara ryu reigi became the basis for warrior-class etiquette. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sirensong: Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: I got a chuckle out of the attention to detail. The lords all sit cross-legged, rather than in stereotypical "samurai seiza". Seiza was an Edo-period traditional made up so it would be more difficult for courtiers to lunge at one another (or their superiors). Shogun is pre-Edo (literally, as we see Edo being built). you're right about anza/agoura being period-accurate, but i can tell you for a fact that it is much easier to generate explosive movements out of seiza than anza. think of seiza as a cocked hammer, with your legs tucked under you so that you can make immediate use of the most powerful muscles in your body. anza has no such positional energy. when tokugawa (toranaga's historical model) decided to tame the samurai, ogasawara ryu reigi became the basis for warrior-class etiquette. Ogasawara is still kicking around to this day. https://www.iccho-ogasawara-ryu.com/about-us Japanese version I do Kyudo and while we are not Ogasawara Ryu, we certainly look at the taihai movements from Ogasawara. Their control is insane. |
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Originally Posted By ZF-1: Ogasawara is still kicking around to this day. https://www.iccho-ogasawara-ryu.com/about-us Japanese version I do Kyudo and while we are not Ogasawara Ryu, we certainly look at the taihai movements from Ogasawara. Their control is insane. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ZF-1: Originally Posted By sirensong: Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: I got a chuckle out of the attention to detail. The lords all sit cross-legged, rather than in stereotypical "samurai seiza". Seiza was an Edo-period traditional made up so it would be more difficult for courtiers to lunge at one another (or their superiors). Shogun is pre-Edo (literally, as we see Edo being built). you're right about anza/agoura being period-accurate, but i can tell you for a fact that it is much easier to generate explosive movements out of seiza than anza. think of seiza as a cocked hammer, with your legs tucked under you so that you can make immediate use of the most powerful muscles in your body. anza has no such positional energy. when tokugawa (toranaga's historical model) decided to tame the samurai, ogasawara ryu reigi became the basis for warrior-class etiquette. Ogasawara is still kicking around to this day. https://www.iccho-ogasawara-ryu.com/about-us Japanese version I do Kyudo and while we are not Ogasawara Ryu, we certainly look at the taihai movements from Ogasawara. Their control is insane. awesome - thank you for posting this! i might give their zoom reigi course a shot. |
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What an episode.
Wow. Click To View Spoiler ....reaching through the door to grab for the 2nd shot was awesome. Maybe not the most tactically sound thing to do but it looked pretty good. My wife just said daaaaaaaaaaaaamn when that happened.
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Anjin Wick.
At least he got some Mariko before it all went down. |
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Holy shit, Mariko
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Damn
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[#11]
Looks like one more episode. Is there going to be a second season?
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Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle we humbly pray.
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Now a real killer, when he picked up the ZF1, would have immediately asked about the little red button on the bottom of the gun.
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[#13]
Originally Posted By Fushaw: Sama is not a male honorific. Its a gender-neutral honorific for people of higher status. San = Mr./Ms. Sama = Sir/Ma'am, your honor, your lord/ladyship, your grace, etc... None of the common Japanese honorifics are gender specific View Quote But if that's true, GD can't be all outraged about gIrL pOwEr and go watch something with titties and explosions |
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Originally Posted By ZF-1: What an episode. Wow. Click To View Spoiler ....reaching through the door to grab for the 2nd shot was awesome. Maybe not the most tactically sound thing to do but it looked pretty good. My wife just said daaaaaaaaaaaaamn when that happened. View Quote So awesome. |
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Originally Posted By Alex_F: But if that's true, GD can't be all outraged about gIrL pOwEr and go watch something with titties and explosions View Quote One less trivial thing for GD to not be outraged over I guess. This show has been very minimal on the GiRl PoWeR and has kept pretty well to the script of the book. Women aren't beating up 200lb men. Click To View Spoiler If they went full girl boss, Mariko would've killed at least 3 or 4 of the guards trying to keep them in Osaka castle before she gave up to commit seppuku. But instead she was powerless and outnumbered and it ended exactly how you expected it to. What a breath of fresh air.
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Now a real killer, when he picked up the ZF1, would have immediately asked about the little red button on the bottom of the gun.
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: One less trivial thing for GD to not be outraged over I guess. This show has been very minimal on the GiRl PoWeR and has kept pretty well to the script of the book. Women aren't beating up 200lb men. Click To View Spoiler If they went full girl boss, Mariko would've killed at least 3 or 4 of the guards trying to keep them in Osaka castle before she gave up to commit seppuku. But instead she was powerless and outnumbered and it ended exactly how you expected it to. What a breath of fresh air. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Fushaw: Originally Posted By Alex_F: But if that's true, GD can't be all outraged about gIrL pOwEr and go watch something with titties and explosions One less trivial thing for GD to not be outraged over I guess. This show has been very minimal on the GiRl PoWeR and has kept pretty well to the script of the book. Women aren't beating up 200lb men. Click To View Spoiler If they went full girl boss, Mariko would've killed at least 3 or 4 of the guards trying to keep them in Osaka castle before she gave up to commit seppuku. But instead she was powerless and outnumbered and it ended exactly how you expected it to. What a breath of fresh air. Agreed. I understand the aversion to the "strong female" role. But they're playing this pretty straight as far as I can tell. Click To View Spoiler They make it pretty obvious no one is trying to kill her the entire episode. So every time she fights it's more like a guy trying to actively grab and restrain an armed woman. So it makes sense a couple go down getting a little too close. But you don't see her overpowering anyone despite being accomplished with a polearm. Very well done in my opinion.
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I knew we were going to see shinobi. Wasn't as crazy as The Last Samurai, but I'll take it.
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Originally Posted By Kihn: The producers said they were going to follow the book faithfully and that the story ends there. View Quote I read an interview with the actress that plays Mariko and it was said that due to the popularity of the series, a second season is maybe being considered. I hope not. I'd rather it end as a really good miniseries than something that declines and either get cancelled mid-season or needs to commit seppuku. Speaking of, was that what Mariko was going to do, or was she going to stab herself in the heart? |
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Originally Posted By 549: I read an interview with the actress that plays Mariko and it was said that due to the popularity of the series, a second season is maybe being considered. I hope not. I'd rather it end as a really good miniseries than something that declines and either get cancelled mid-season or needs to commit seppuku. Speaking of, was that what Mariko was going to do, or was she going to stab herself in the heart? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 549: Originally Posted By Kihn: The producers said they were going to follow the book faithfully and that the story ends there. I read an interview with the actress that plays Mariko and it was said that due to the popularity of the series, a second season is maybe being considered. I hope not. I'd rather it end as a really good miniseries than something that declines and either get cancelled mid-season or needs to commit seppuku. Speaking of, was that what Mariko was going to do, or was she going to stab herself in the heart? She played the hand she was dealt. Loyalty and duty. Hardcore. Click To View Spoiler I was impressed by the guards dying. Dude apologizes for failing her and the other letting him get it out, her expressing her appreciation, before the stabby stab back stab to kill him off (quickly). Brutal, yet respectful. The series is so well done. the recreation of the buildings and gardens. All of the formality and the wicked mind games buried in subtlety. High level strategizing within the formalities of the culture, deep abstraction of thought, and then such highly skilled killers. Killing each other. In a blink of an eye. |
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Newest episode was really good.
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F you fat white knight
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[#23]
This has been the best series on TV in a while.
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"The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction"
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Originally Posted By Kihn: She played the hand she was dealt. Loyalty and duty. Hardcore. Click To View Spoiler I was impressed by the guards dying. Dude apologizes for failing her and the other letting him get it out, her expressing her appreciation, before the stabby stab back stab to kill him off (quickly). Brutal, yet respectful. The series is so well done. the recreation of the buildings and gardens. All of the formality and the wicked mind games buried in subtlety. High level strategizing within the formalities of the culture, deep abstraction of thought, and then such highly skilled killers. Killing each other. In a blink of an eye. View Quote I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. |
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[#26]
Anjin had sleight of hand equipped
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There's no such thing as a free lunch.
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Originally Posted By 549: I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 549: Originally Posted By Kihn: She played the hand she was dealt. Loyalty and duty. Hardcore. Click To View Spoiler I was impressed by the guards dying. Dude apologizes for failing her and the other letting him get it out, her expressing her appreciation, before the stabby stab back stab to kill him off (quickly). Brutal, yet respectful. The series is so well done. the recreation of the buildings and gardens. All of the formality and the wicked mind games buried in subtlety. High level strategizing within the formalities of the culture, deep abstraction of thought, and then such highly skilled killers. Killing each other. In a blink of an eye. I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. I think she was going to stab herself in the heart............ |
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Not reading the thread. But I am.
Im enjoying it. |
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Haven't seen the show or read the 6 pages of this thread. But the book was a let down
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Originally Posted By 549: I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 549: Originally Posted By Kihn: She played the hand she was dealt. Loyalty and duty. Hardcore. Click To View Spoiler I was impressed by the guards dying. Dude apologizes for failing her and the other letting him get it out, her expressing her appreciation, before the stabby stab back stab to kill him off (quickly). Brutal, yet respectful. The series is so well done. the recreation of the buildings and gardens. All of the formality and the wicked mind games buried in subtlety. High level strategizing within the formalities of the culture, deep abstraction of thought, and then such highly skilled killers. Killing each other. In a blink of an eye. I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. Yeah, Pretty sure that was the formality for women. In a ritual form. Seppuku kind of has an ambiguity to it IIRC. People doing it out of sense of duty. To display loyalty/ fealty. As a form of protest to influence their master to see the error of their ways. Others doing it so they don't become prisoners of war. Others ordered to do it as a punishment, possibly without the benefit of a second. It's a very formal technique for gut splitting. Some did it poorly and would take a while to die if not given the courtesy of a second. Like days. It's a display of courage in the face of death thingy. IIRC. Seeing their true mettle. When they spoke of Toranaga seconding for the defeated lord, when he was twelve years old, early in the series (2nd maybe), the lord asking Toronaga to second for him, that could have been as much about embarrassing Toranaga as anything. It was poor form to not get it right. A shameful thing. So last act of defiance. Or he could have sincerely wanted the lord whose army beat him in battle to take his head, out of honor, respect, envy, whatever. |
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Originally Posted By bully13: Haven't seen the show or read the 6 pages of this thread. But the book was a let down View Quote |
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Why is the sky blue?
What makes the green grass grow? |
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Originally Posted By 549: I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. View Quote IIRC she says something earlier along the lines of her heart being pierced. |
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If anyone is interested Netflix has a show Age of Samurai/ Battle for Japan. It has 6 episodes. The sixth episode is about where Blackthorne would have showed up. It tells of the ruling and dying Daimyo setting up a council of regents to protect his son until he is of age.
Lord Toranaga in real life would be Tokugawa Ieyasu. Only if you are interested ETA The actor playing Blackthorne is from New Jersey and his first name is Cosmo I kid you not |
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I wish Yabushige would have turned into a classic anti-hero. I really like his character's personality.
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The show is killer. After next weeks finale I will watch it again in one sitting so that I may enjoy it again.
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Gonads & Strife
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: One less trivial thing for GD to not be outraged over I guess. This show has been very minimal on the GiRl PoWeR and has kept pretty well to the script of the book. Women aren't beating up 200lb men. Click To View Spoiler If they went full girl boss, Mariko would've killed at least 3 or 4 of the guards trying to keep them in Osaka castle before she gave up to commit seppuku. But instead she was powerless and outnumbered and it ended exactly how you expected it to. What a breath of fresh air. View Quote I've enjoyed it immensely. It's well done and a breath of fresh air compared to the other crap I've been watching recently (although I admit I enjoy any 'samurai' movie, not because I'm part Asian, but because of the rigid culture and how alien it is to us - I couldn't do it). I totally agree, her fighting the men and then giving up was much more realistic. You could tell they were holding back a bit because the royalty was watching and she was royalty and no one wanted to be the guy to kill the high lady. Her guards attitude of "we die today!" was part of the culture that fascinates me since I couldn't do it. |
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I really love the Yabushige character or more accurately the actor playing the role. He and the Blackthorn actor have the huh type mannerisms down well. Not sure what needs to be in spoiler or not since it has been a few days since the last episode. I'll throw it in spoiler just in case.
Click To View Spoiler I'm confused on why Yabushige killed some of his men and allowed the ninjas'? or enemy force into their courtyard/building/complex. I know Yabushige has flip/flopped from his lord Toranaga to Ishido but unless I missed it, I didn't see any note or communication between Ishido and Yabushige instructing he assist. I haven't read the book and in a situation like this, in a book there would be some type of clandestine meeting or something. |
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Originally Posted By 7: I really love the Yabushige character or more accurately the actor playing the role. He and the Blackthorn actor have the huh type mannerisms down well. Not sure what needs to be in spoiler or not since it has been a few days since the last episode. I'll throw it in spoiler just in case. Click To View Spoiler I'm confused on why Yabushige killed some of his men and allowed the ninjas'? or enemy force into their courtyard/building/complex. I know Yabushige has flip/flopped from his lord Toranaga to Ishido but unless I missed it, I didn't see any note or communication between Ishido and Yabushige instructing he assist. I haven't read the book and in a situation like this, in a book there would be some type of clandestine meeting or something. View Quote Click To View Spoiler There was a point where Yabushige was told that Ishido accepted his loyalty and to avoid death he would be required to complete a task. That scene never said what the task would be but the way the raid played out it was a matter of Yabushige having to assist with the entrance of the shinobi. Which he had to kill some of Toranaga's guards to be able to open the back door. |
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Now a real killer, when he picked up the ZF1, would have immediately asked about the little red button on the bottom of the gun.
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Women would generally commit seppuku by cutting their carotid.
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I've only gotten two warnings in almost 15 years and over 91,000 posts...and I'm an asshole. I don't know how guys rack up all these warnings and temp locks. |
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Now a real killer, when he picked up the ZF1, would have immediately asked about the little red button on the bottom of the gun.
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To everyone saying this is a great series
You have fine taste Love this show and wish it could go on for a few seasons though I get wanting to stay close to the source Scenery, buildings, costumes, how the actors act like it's the 1600s Pure TV magic I hope more series like this come out in the near future going up to the end of the samurai |
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Now a real killer, when he picked up the ZF1, would have immediately asked about the little red button on the bottom of the gun.
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The part with Toronaga and Yubishige was amazing.
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Cool ending.
The structure of the whole series was pretty brilliant. Western storytelling in the first half and Japanese in the second half. |
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Don't you tell me about galaxies! I walk them in the timeline.
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Just finished the last episode
Not a fan of the ending Just didn't seem "right" in keeping with show Very anticlimactic |
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Originally Posted By griffin86: The part with Toronaga and Yubishige was amazing. View Quote I can see why they went that way. They didnt want to have Toranaga do a voiceover at the end, so they gave him somebody to talk to. And I dont dislike it... but I think I prefer Yabu's seppuku scene in the original. |
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